KILLSWITCH: Kill your paraglider when landing in strong wind
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- Опубликовано: 19 янв 2019
- Flying in strong wind can be a great way to get airtime on small hills or soaring on the coast, because the lift is abundant. But what about landing safely? Bringing the wing down without getting dragged is essential, especially if there are hazards nearby. Join Flybubble Paragliding as we demonstrate the most effective technique to kill your paraglider when landing in strong wind.
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Greg,
So glad I watched this. I got caught at Firle this week. Got blown back even on full bar and was forced to top land going astern at about 5mph. I had Cs in my grasp ready (only because I watched this video a couple of weeks ago) and effectively killed the wing rather than getting dragged into the barbed wire fence as would surely have happened otherwise. Phew. Thanks!
I think I'm addicted to paragliding..... I keep watching the same videos over and over..... this one is definitely worth 1000 views
My fav is punch the A's hard on one side and C's hard on the other side - wing folds about the center and quits and stays that way. Beginner mistake is to hit both A's hard and /hold/ them in - wing will collapse and then explosively reinflates and proceeds to launch violently, probably lofting the pilot in the process and almost certainly entering a steep turn in the process - very dangerous. Must release A's and swap to brakes or C's, as shown in the video. Another bad one, is if wing flips over and dives at the ground - release brakes quickly or the wing will reverse-fly up - brakes will re-launch an inverted glider.
Agreed Steve. I was always nervous in stronger winds, until I was shown the one A riser, pulled fully and simultaneously with the one, opposite C riser technique.
It has to be a fully committed action thats held firmly and fully down, applied just as you touchdown, and held until you're safe and in control of your situation . It kills the wing instantly, with full control of the now deflated fabric.
If you don't pull both sides simultaneously, you're likely to spin the glider or cause some other nasty, so it could be dangerous if you get it wrong!
Thankfully, it's an easy method to try out and and practice whist groundhandling, and is now my instinctive, go-to 'killswitch', everytime.
Thanks for showing the other methods here Greg... Love your videos! ☺️
Best technic in higher winds indeed. I works also with full A on one side and full brake on the other.
At touchdown grabbing the 2 C risers and pull them thats the winner, I think, bombproof
I feel like I snuck into the locker room of a professional sports team and I am listening to the crosstalk at halftime on how they are going to dominate the 2nd half of the game! 👍🏻👍🏼👍🏿 Cool experience hearing this level of feedback from those of you that can "dance with the wind"! 😜
Sorry Steve, but I don't understand... Wouldn't pulling A's after landing not reinflate the wing? Why not pulling both C's? I am confused... 😅
Now I'm paranoid that flybubble release this video just after I, like a numpty, messed up my big ears landing right in front of Carlo! Nice work, guys - this will come in useful!
Very important to choose a landing place with lots of space down wind (that is behind you as you touch down), the moment your feet touch, fully pull down the A riser on one side and then the rear riser on other side as you turn around. My wing folds in half and is unlikely to re-inflate.
If landing going backwards don't rush things but be nimble - walk backwards until you are ready to collapse the wing and don't panic or you can fall over and will get dragged.
I liked the tip of landing on bent legs. I also find that reaching right back with my dominant foot and then pivoting on that as I turn around to face my wing makes things a lot more stable.
Great vids, keep it up!
Or avoid top landing totally
I skydived and BASE jumped for many years, then had a pretty bad incident back in 2014 and this autumn I am going to start my paragliding course after many years of thinking about it. I love those videos as I really want to know as much as I can before I start. Any little detail can make a difference. Thanks for the great work you guys are doing :). Greetings from Switzerland.
Loving the new format!!!
Love this channel, best instructional videos.!
This video is the gift that keeps on giving, have watched it during my schooling days and just last week had the day I needed it at Devil's Dyke. The A tuck technique saved me being dragged around with the rest. Thank you !
Great tutorial! Thank you for the valuable information!
Love your vids. Learn so much from them
Thanks so much for the video, Greg! :D
So informative. Thanks dude. ✌️
Hey Greg nice to see another great vid mate good work. Bart.
Good points as usual. Thanks
I literally needed this video a few days ago :). Gj
Now that you're in the hospital....you have time to watch YT?
* Since many years I use the D raiser technic as kill- switch.
Never got pullen away even in backward driftend situations on Landung...
For take off, I use the D technik as well - just in reverse order + A's 🚀
Cheers 🍻
Thank you for this video.
Great info once again!........thanks
I really like the C risers technique, for launching and landing
Yes, if it is windy i always use A&Cs for launching and landing. Also if it is really windy on landing i bend my knees, then on contact push up as i pull the C's.
Hi from France, thanks for your excellent videos. Have fun.
Just found this after watching your last video on the dragon hike n fly.
I use the A's in high wind as taught by jess from flysussex. Amazingly simple and hugely effective. Its saved me a couple of times from being dragged backwards.
I favor learning big ears, carrier landing and Frontal method. Thanks as always for an informative video.
I love the trap music throughout the video 😉👌. Great video!
Video idea: your videos are so much fun to watch. Can you do another one on active flying with ridge soaring? Some ideas. Soaring and brake control, doing 180° turn is lift, why it's a waste of time to 180° in sink, turning away from ridge in lift for a 360° into thermal.
I feel it's a great topic for mountain flying and new pilots to extend their flight even for a few minutes. Just an idea. Thanks for your amazing work!
hmm 🤔 as about to do my training course for flying as love watching your vids you make things look so easy!! but will try my best to learne as this looks so fun 🤗
Very beautiful and many thanks for this long surched solution!!😊 Joerg Hausbrand from Saxony in East Germany
10:05 I hope that's not a glider in the bushes!
Very helpful. Thanks!
You're welcome!
Nice video!
Never heard of the A-riser method before, thanks .
On the tandem i've frequently hi wind landings and i kill the wing , puling down the D's, very sharply as you said, Greg.:) That does the job on my Magnum 2
excellent work ! as for myself I use the Cs i,t feels more confortable and safe for me
Thanks aaa lloottt
Nice video
I had problems with some of these techniques if its REALLY strong and you are going vertical or backwards.
I found the best is to have no wrap or brake on at all (obvious I hope!) When I land, I let my legs go down, then I jump up. It unweights the wing and allows you to kill the wing with the brakes easily and it gives you a fraction of a second to turn as well.
If you pull the brakes before you land, you just go backwards and fall over!
I learned about this the hard way. I pulled the brakes just the same as I did every day before in very light wind but this time I was flying backward slightly. I immediately got ripped off the ground backwards tumbling my body and felt really like getting hit by a car. Validated that yes a helmet is a good piece of gear and I was glad I was wearing it. Would not recommend this type of learning (the hard way) and for everyone to be prepared because in any situation the winds may pick up before you get back to land. Took a few days for my neck and back to recover, thankful it was not worse. Flybubble thanks again for the great info you all share!!
sorry to hear of bad landing ,thanks shareing for other people to learne from hope all mended now😎 as im about to learne this flying fun sport paraflying 🤗as im sure ill experience some these issues 😏🥴
As Greg mentioned, yanking super hard on the brakes might kill a high aspect ratio wing; their brake travel is short anyway. But it is of no use with class A/B&C wing, which are much harder to stall in the first place. Making the wing tuck by pulling the A's, then turn your back towards the wind, and taking 6 wraps of brakes can be practiced any day/anywhere from 6knots and up. Happy landings y'all! Best, Rob ^^
Love your knowledge an way of being safe.. Do u teach?
That rear camera angle was trippy.
Danke, Greg und Steve!
Thanks also for the advice with the INVERTED glider smashing into the ground.
Just learned that lesson 5hrs ago the hard way while practicing groundhandling at (just 10-10kmh but gusty winds). 😁
What was then still causing trouble is to pick up your glider and to wrap it up (usually as a mushroom).
No chance for me while I was alone.
Needed help for that one.
Of course, I at least moved out of the wind. However, every time I moved closer to the wing to coil up the lines, it got darn risky that the glider gets picked up once again - while I was having the lines coiled around my hand.
Uuuuhhh...!
Sketchy!
Hi Thomas, to make it easier to collect your wing in the wind, try using a B line stall. When you want to mushroom the wing, take one loop of the Bs first, then coil all the rest as usual. This will break the glider profile and prevent it from trying to inflate and create drag as you're walking with it.
vsuper video :)
Çok faydalı bir video olmuş, teşekkürler. Türkçe vide keşke daha fazla yayınlasanız
We sometimes find ourselves landing in wind strong enough that we touchdown moving backward. Brakes will just result in being dragged, and because we are controlling with the rear risers, it can be dangerous to let go to frontal the wing.
Just before touchdown, we yank HARD on the rear riser on the side to which we turn, do a running pivot and sprint toward the wing. With luck, we can grab a tip. If not, take about 10 to 20 wraps on both brakes. That will turn the wing into a flailing wad of fabric, but it cant drag you in that configuration.
I'd be concerned with that one riser approach ... there's nothing controlling or stopping the rotating wing from smacking straight into the ground during your rotation. Running at the wing, wrapping, grabbing a tip, yeah all good. Things can get scary fast in high wind landings.
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@@greghamerton4422 My description left out an important point, I still kill it with both rear risers after turning. I normally turn to the right on landing. The ground is coming up, and I'm going backward. I'm looking over my right shoulder. Just as before contact, a foot up, haul on the right C first, pivot on the right leg. The left hand follows through with the left C too. If it worked, I'm on my feet, running at the wing, diving for a wingtip.Yeah, it's a bad situation; best to avoid such winds, but on XC conditions can change during the flight. I learned about this technique in a video interview with Gavin McGlurge on Andre's channel. BTW I'm going to try the A's frontal thing again, I need to master it also. I just worry the wing will re-inflate while I dont have my hands on the rear riser loops!
@@NelsonsWings ah cool, that's a better technique, yes it would be very effective. The frontal thing, you still have your brakes and you get moment of no power. Make sure you only practice it in strong wind, or you just get the wing on your head!
Does the A's method work for wings with RAST also? Thank you for this great video!!
I have just prepared and submitted Turkish subtitles for your video. I guess it needs to be validated by youtube before it becomes available on the video.
I often pull one A and as that side collapses, I hard pull the other rear riser, stalling the opposite side.
Love the videos. Thanks.
I have tried assymetric deflations in strong conditions. I had problems in that quite often it turned the wing over, causing it to belt onto the ground (leading edge down)
Hello, thank you wery much for your video tips. May i ask when it is ok to use speed bar? What about front colapse because of speedbar?
As long as I'm not going backwards; I wait after my feet have landed. Hands up, chill out and then when I ready, one A and then one brake. I find that different wings need different timing between the break and the A. Pausing after I land means that I can bring the wind down when I'm ready and maybe in a bit of a dip in the wind. But, that's just what I do!
If u have still hands, that might actually be the safest landing approach!
Hey Greg,
I wonder what you recommend doing on strong wind landings with a Tandem glider 😅
Cheers and regards from Switzerland
Björn
Hi Greg, I have some dexterity issues. Wondering if I put a temporary tether between the maillons of my backrisers, as in creating a bridge that joins both risers to make it easier to grab and pull both, whether I would create an issue when trying to kill my wing? Thankyou for all of your instruction and entertainment. Cheers legend
Serious and visibly grouchy. You know it’s Hamerton time because lives gotta be saved. Got a sense he doesn’t like the disrespectful types.
tksssssssssss
So what do you recommend on windy landing and touchdown?
a. risers up, ground speed 0+, fast descent
b. risers down, ground speed 0-, less descent
One A riser + Brake on other side - the best.
@Greg Hamerton Super nice video! At 6:15, what kind of microphone are you using to record your voice? When I am using my insta360, the noise of the wind covers everything.
@@flybubbleparagliding Thank you very much!
Do you guys do anything with PPGs?
Years ago a German pilot in South Africa told me he was coming into land and getting blown back very fast so he did the same landing as for water; undo the straps and jump at about 1m and keep hold of a brake line. Thought it extreme but he assured me being dragged would have been ugly.
I'm just starting to learn how to kite with a eight year old wing "Power Atlas" S made in 2012 borrowed from a friend. I'm having trouble killing the wing in stronger winds, I tried the "C" risers kill and it's not putting the wing down. I noticed that your raisers seem to be a lot longer than mine which are 36 centimeters long from the hookin point to the maillons. Is this short compared to yours?
Yeah that landing is where the hazard always is. Are there any tips and suggestions on seeing the texture of the surface far enough away to land in a smoother place with less objects?
For the rear riser method you said on a 4 riser wing use Cs. Why not Ds?
I'm familiar with reflex wings, but why wont the pulling a's method work on a 2 liner? Do they have reflex profiles as well?
because they can be very hard to front tuck, which is why they need collapse lines for certification. The A risers hold A base lines which split right near the wing into A and B, so when you pull down you don't fold the nose. You can get them to frontal but not all of them equally easily, and they can be stalled so fast on brakes/rear risers I tend to mostly use that for 2 liners.
@@greghamerton4422 thanks! I didnt know the a's split at the top into B's. Now it makes sense
Do you grab the A’s underhanded like a pull-up? How high do you reach, past the risers to the lines?
just straight in with my thumbs, with the fastest grip, in the same way you'd grab on two ropes - it doesn't need massive power, just timing. Grab the maillons, they won't slip.
If you've got 4 risers use your Cs or Ds?
Hi! Thank you for the tips! Would you recommend landing face to the wind or sideways in the cobra zone, for less traction? Thanks!
It depends on various factors, see our related article on strong wind landings for more detailed advice: flybubble.com/blog/strong-wind-landings-killing-your-paraglider
Also see the our article on paragliding in strong wind: flybubble.com/blog/paragliding-safely-in-strong-wind
What’s your opinion on A+C killing technique (punching on an A on one side and C on the other)?
flybubble.com/blog/strong-wind-landings-killing-your-paraglider
What about pulling the B lines when you land? Yes it takes a bit more power but it depowers the wing completley.
answered below
Today was my second day in a park practicing. I fell over and started to get dragged. I started to wrap the breaks around my hands, but the wing just keep inflating and pulling me along my back. What's the best thing to do in that case? Luckily I eventually got it to stop from a lull in the wind, but...I was scared!
Why is there such a difference on reflex wing behavior?
0:33 not a whole lot of forward movement going on there 😂
I'm really confused about big ears in a situation like this..my instincts tell me it increases drag therefore worsens your situation if you are not penetrating.. but I've seen very experienced pilots doing it. Can you explain?
ahha, I actually cut the bit out of this video where I show ears vs no ears speed change. That reminds me to cut that video ... it was going off topic for this one. It depends on the wing. On my wing Sigma 10 (EN C) it is faster with big ears in, because the wingloading increases and the tips don't cause much drag. In the video I'm hovering with 0 groundspeed at trim, then I do ears and increase speed to 2 or 3km/h. On other wings it might be very slightly slower (EN A with big draggy tips).
@@greghamerton4422 makes sense. Thanks!
Nice...! I will give this a try “Punch” those A’s I’ll remember that.
At 9:33 it looks like a glider down in the bushes.
What's a "PLF"?
Parachute Landing Fall. Check the article flybubble.com/blog/strong-wind-landings-killing-your-paraglider
huepix it’s a ‘way to fall’ that’ll help you basically be ready to collapse so you minimise the chance of injury.
Anyone else noticed the glider in the shrubs behind him at 10:06 ? :D
I like the video, however i have 2 liner wings (IP 6 and Boomerang 11) and both seem to respond well to full frontal technique for bringing down wing in strong conditions. I would be interested in reading what the issues are for doing this with my 2 liner wings?
Hoe the guy in the scrub at the end is ok...looks like a landing down that in strong conditions must have been a nasty one.
ah cool Adam, I also had the IP6 and found it reluctant to frontal at times, so I was just being cautious in recommending the technique. Guy was fine in the trees, just a bit humbled. practicing low level racing runs, got a cravatte.
@@greghamerton4422 ah poor fella. I figured it must have been something like that as i havent seen too many strong wind landings where a glider ended up in front of launch/landing...usually over the back.
I am still experimenting with full frontal technique, so the timing of your video is perfect. I have been finding it very difficult to use the full stall kill technique and started experimenting with a reliable alternative.
As an example of my dilemma, earlier last year i took a ppg wing free flying in strong winds. After landing pefectly, i attempted to kill it with brakes, in that moment forgot i had the wing setup for high hang point ppg (ie excessively long brake slack +100mm from standard), and got absolutely tear ass dragged for good 30 meters ...I was lifted up and over a 6 foot high embankment, dumped back on the ground, skull dragged across a road on my back, crashing through some garbage bins on the other side, finally coming to a stop on the front lawn directly below power lines...bruised and bleeding but alive and nothing broken (and somehow pot luck avoiding being run over by cars or trucks in the proocess). So since that time i have been searching for alternatives and only a few weeks ago got the idea in my head of trying a full frontal wing kill.
Thus far the full frontal is so easy by comparison, however, i do fear a wing could just as quickly pop open again and shoot like a rocket up into the air. Having that happen with either my Icepeak or Boomerang 11 would be disaster.
I have been landing next to, and pulling wings down in behind, obstacles (using the wind shadow) and quickly running to the side. However, your idea of jumping onto brakes after the full frontal wing kill seems like it has potential for use in a wide variety of scenarios (such as out in the open), so i will experiment with that too.
As a beginner I will try the C's method first. It seems the easiest and is the same when starting backwards to kill it if things go wrong.
Very helpful video, thx.
Ну, блин, наверное что-то очень важное и нужное объясняет. Жаль, я не понял. Ну и не только я. Такого по- русски сложно найти...
Why not to yank B-lines ?
very random results with that, depending on the wing. Most wings I've tested end up stalled but flying at about 40 degree angle off the ground, thrashing around, and then the pilot gets into trouble. Getting the wing from that position to completely killed in 40+ can be challenging.
Can be hard to pull, and converts the wing into a parachute, Seen somebody get dragged like that.
if it has really strong wind I use my quickouts
you give some good info...A's in high winds is bad advice.
Hi, does the A's method work on wings with RAST also? Thank you for this great video!
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I guess it is effective techniques, but it is really hard to see what you are doing in detail, video of ving, vídeo of hands
Once again, Greg makes no mention that he lands in an area which is not allowed for P/Gs, if hangliders are flying, at 7:41. You should not emulate him blindly in all the situations that he shows and he really should point that out.
You said "when you've got 4 risers use your C's", did you mean to say D's?
When I land in strong wind, I turn my back as soon as I touch the ground then run to the glider while I pull full brakes.
That works fine until about 40km/h Engin .. when the brake pull might lift you off your feet and tip you onto your face, so I'd recommend practicing one of the killswitch methods shown in the video, just in case.
20 other pilots in the air, and you are jabbering with your hands off the brake, looking at the camera, endangering all the others by increasing odds of a midair collision. Your "instruction" should have been done on the ground and only the actual landings filmed, minimizing your distracted flying time in the air.