Great video! Good to see that they attempted to keep some service running into Grand Central and not just shut down the line completely between Quuensboro Plaza and Times Square.
One thing I have to say? And this is so true....When the 7 has no issues? Service is great. But when the 7 has problems? It is total FUBAR! Lol. That is the problem being isolated from the A division I guess
@@UltimateAzumanger I think he meant that trains have pretty much no way to reroute, a train couldn’t use the BMT because then where would it go to let passengers off? It’s isolated enough to be really bad if there’s an issue somewhere. At least most of the line has 3 tracks which helps.
Hey guys, just a heads up. A bunch of comments posted on this video aren't showing up for some reason. They aren't even showing up in the spam filter. This has happened before when a large influx of comments come in. If you don't see your comment, post it again. Thanks! :D
This makes me think of the New York magazine article about October 15, 2015 (I remember when it happened!), when a loose bolt in a gap filler at Union Square (among a host of other daily stuff) caused 625+ delays or rerouting on the 4/5/6 trains.
I'm just discovering this video today - thanks for filming this and chronicling the procedures and announcements. I'll be using this as an example in a presentation for MBTA's FMCB in how communications during diversions need to be used more tactically to keep riders informed.
I think everyone is going to agree with me on this This years worst subway line goes to the (7) Again for 4 years in a row This years crowded subway line goes to the (4)(5)(6) train for 60 years This years smelliest subway line goes to the (E) This years fastest subway line goes to the All of the 7th AV line
R160B W Train_RBLX This has nothing to do with car swaps. This was due to a rail incident. Incidents like this can happen anywhere in the system, no matter the fleet.
Railfan 0734 One Track was taken out of service because of the broken rail. Single tracking between Times Sq and Grand Central would cause dangerous levels of crowding at all affected stations.
Great video. I have a question that I always wonder... I have to commute to Chambers St every day and I take the 1 uptown and then the 2/3. Everytime the express trains pass Canal Train they always reduce their speed and go slow until Chambers. But the 1 never does that. Do you know why? is there a speed limit for the express trains in that section from Canal to Chambers.
+Pedro Luis Torres There are signals called "grade timers" that are intended to force the train operators on express trains to slow down before entering Chambers St. These signals stay red for a set amount of time, before turning green. If the train operator goes too fast, he/she will pass the signal while it is still red, triggering the emergency brakes. While this in theory is meant to slow the trains down to a safe speed for the area, the timer signals start too far north of Chambers St station and force trains to slow down to a speed that is wayyy below the safety margin.
I remember this happening on the L when I was a kid. I was lucky enough to have taken a wrong railing L tho. Who knew the same thing that would happen to the L would happen to the 7...... Except that it would cause so many problems.....
I used to work on 33rd st- Rawson Ave so I got accustomed to spotty 7 train service at times. Any delay between Times Sq to Queensboro Plz was detrimental to the service and, coming from St. Lawrence Ave on the 6 line my transfer was at Grand Central. Well with all the delays and trains sometimes not running to Queens I skipped the 7 train all together and took the N or Q on over
+Christian Escobar It's always important to have a good understanding of your alternatives in case of an issue. You definitely had a good idea of how to handle delays!
I hate taking the train as it is, but I have to say though the 7 line is by far the worst to ride on. When rush hour comes around and you have to get somewhere, you really have no choice but to stuck it up and get on. Waiting on the next train will not make the slightest difference what so ever.
I thought of a Issue Just like this The QueensBoro Tunnel Had to be fixed So W Trains would run as Shuttles Between QueensBoro Plaza And Astoria N Trains would terminate At 96 Street And R Trains would run Via The M line
Abdoulie Ceesay Well if anything, they would do this: (N): Runs In two sections: -Between Coney Island and 57th Street, then via the Q to 96th Street. -Between Queensboro Plaza and Astoria-Ditmars (R): Service is rerouted via the Q from 57th Street to Lex-63rd, then vía the F to 36th Street. (W): service operates between Whitehall Street and Lexington Avenue - 59th Street. That’s what they did a few years back.
Question: Are you a Subway Operator? It's always been my dream to become a Subway Driver, And I'd like to know the process of what schools and such. Any Idea?
+Colin Gallagher I'm not a subway operator, but I'd like to work for a transit agency eventually. I'd aim to go to college, the best bet would be to major in engineering.
Nice Video! What a mess! When u have an overcrowded platform like that at Queensboro Plaza it is unsafe. Especially if Idiots start pushing and shoving
+Dj Hammers I remember back on Christmas Eve P.M. there was no service. So I took the N to catch the 7 at Queensboro Plaza. Big Mistake that evening when I saw how crowded the platform was.
nice video and for the 7 train passengers going to Queens they should have taking the 4 & 5 trains to 59th Street then N or Q trains ( fall 2016 N or W trains to) Queensboro Plaza since 7 trains are not operating between Queensboro Plaza and Grand Central
TheTrainGame Know that,but Queensboro Plaza on the 7,N & Q trains fall 2016 W train is the only stop where a lettered train has a cross transfer to a number line. For me I've used lettered line to numbered line transfer via passage way at 5th ave Bryant Park from 7 train to D & F trains and at 14th street Union Square from Q train BMT Broadway to 4 train IRT Lexington Ave line
This happaned a bit more recent on the 1 and let me tell you they did not do well trying to handdle it i meen they said not trains betwwen dykmin and 137 but the dykmain trains were like a shuttle and ran exxpress back and forth to 242 making no stops i meen they did not do it the way it was like this
+Dj Hammers So does this happen on other lines because of all the trains on the other lines run a lot so does this happen on other lines about regularly?
+Richard Clarke Actually, metal contracts in the cold and becomes more brittle, rather than expanding. But you are definitely right that rail breaks do have a higher chance of occurring in the cold
+rafael asuncionXD (broniesrock285) The weight of trains constantly passing over the rail contributes to metal fatigue, which can cause the rail to break. It's something that just happens once in a while.
that was crowded,lol.in general i try to keep my options open just in case anything happens and i have to go another way home.but in here this is rather common,since idiots like to steal signalling parts.
I was so lucky becuz i realized they were wrong railing trains out of queensboro plz but most of the passeengers are ignorant so they dont hear the announcement, my train was quite empty
I feel bad for all the people who live on the Flushing line but then Again it's the MTAs Fault for making little connections to Queens unlike Brooklyn or the Bronx
+Dan g The weight of trains constantly passing over the rail contributes to metal fatigue, which can cause the rail to break. Sometimes, rails can have flaws in their construction that can lead to an break.
Charizard 32 That would cause the congestion at Queensboro Plaza, Court Sq, Hunters Point Av, Vernon-Jackson, Grand Central, 5th Avenue, Times Sq, And 34th-Hudson to be way worse and unmanageable.
Rail condition? What condition? It’s not acceptable to let that happen during such rush hour! Can’t believe this happened in the first tier city of the number one country in the world! Lucky that I was not using the 7 train. Living in Flushing, I need to rely on 7 and F everyday. I have to say that around Mets it’s the worst. Trains always do 10 mph going in and out there. Even the third tier city in the third world country won’t let this kind of service interruption happen. Come on, America.
Its only gonna get worse as more and more parts of the subway continue to age and the city and state leave it to do so and they only fix rails when they break.
+Joseph Davis There are a bunch of initiatives that the MTA is taking to be more proactive about rail breaks and other infrastructure issues. I think it'll translate in to some significant progress
Other Transit Company: Uses a specific train to transport the rail workers MTA: ##### please! if I have a normal train why have the specifics to transport the rail workers?
Null 42 You do realize that the MTA has a special set of trains that they use for work service. These yellow consists of cars no longer in revenue service (though some stainless steel R32s pop up here and there).
Great video! Good to see that they attempted to keep some service running into Grand Central and not just shut down the line completely between Quuensboro Plaza and Times Square.
+Luftschlange thanks!! I have to give credit to the people up at control center who kept things moving as much as possible.
+Dj Hammers check his/her channel out reason why I'm a fan
Luftschlange hi
Dj Hammers check out my 2 vids of 1 rare thing and a ride
Oh
One thing I have to say? And this is so true....When the 7 has no issues? Service is great. But when the 7 has problems? It is total FUBAR! Lol. That is the problem being isolated from the A division I guess
@@UltimateAzumanger I think he meant that trains have pretty much no way to reroute, a train couldn’t use the BMT because then where would it go to let passengers off? It’s isolated enough to be really bad if there’s an issue somewhere. At least most of the line has 3 tracks which helps.
Great video its amazing how one thing can have a affect on a entire system. I could only imagine if this happen at times square.
+vsizzle thanks! Glad you liked it! It's a very complex and interconnected system, where an issue in one spot can have affects elsewhere
Hey guys, just a heads up. A bunch of comments posted on this video aren't showing up for some reason. They aren't even showing up in the spam filter. This has happened before when a large influx of comments come in. If you don't see your comment, post it again. Thanks! :D
7 eleven gas station.
watching my Pelham 6 trains on the 7 line is like watching your kid grow up and root for the wrong team
Same with me, except with the R62As on the 6. I rode them on the 7 during Presidents Day, but oh woe!
E
F
This makes me think of the New York magazine article about October 15, 2015 (I remember when it happened!), when a loose bolt in a gap filler at Union Square (among a host of other daily stuff) caused 625+ delays or rerouting on the 4/5/6 trains.
+Jeremy Zorek I read that article too, really brilliant!
Quite an interesting documentation of a subway delay.
Also, I heard an argument from 0:09 to 0:14. :/ Man, the rage of overcrowding these days.
?
What a turn around and a reroute too! Even passengers get confused but some people do not think alternative!
I'm just discovering this video today - thanks for filming this and chronicling the procedures and announcements. I'll be using this as an example in a presentation for MBTA's FMCB in how communications during diversions need to be used more tactically to keep riders informed.
This is why we needed that CBTC upgrade.
Ah remember the good ol days when the 7 line was reliable.
A heck of a nice capture and video, DJ Hammers. Must be rare to have this happen on the system, makes for a historic video :o)
+Larry R Wendell Jr thanks!!!
Great job! Thanks for all your effort producing these videos!
+Robert Nickens Thanks! Really glad you liked the video!
I think everyone is going to agree with me on this
This years worst subway line goes to the
(7) Again for 4 years in a row
This years crowded subway line goes to the
(4)(5)(6) train for 60 years
This years smelliest subway line goes to the
(E)
This years fastest subway line goes to the
All of the 7th AV line
the 7 was actually rated the best line in 2015 or 2014 but i think its because of the R62A's
Luis Flores I know that but let me ask you a question Have you been on a Rush Hour 7 All the Way to Flushing Main Street
THis Years BEST subway is the R lol
I mean the R barely has any delays!
TimePro BULLSHIT
It's called sarcasm.
Luckily the R62As don’t have to serve delays anymore. Let’s use this weapon as the R62A taking revenge for the R188 replacing it
R160B D Train Productions they actually serve worse nowadays. The train cars went to the 6, rather then being put out of service.
R160B W Train_RBLX This has nothing to do with car swaps. This was due to a rail incident. Incidents like this can happen anywhere in the system, no matter the fleet.
JeremiahC99 It’s called a joke. I’d expect someone for your age to understand that.
R160B W Train_RBLX I have a hard time taking jokes due to my maturity.
They had to. Teens kept trying to escape death only to get killed in freak subway accidents.
whAt
Teens caused this broken rail?
0:40 Thank You ➡😶⬅
From a regular seven train user this was chaos I find this 4 years later it was chaos
I love Trains
I saw dj hammers face at 0:40
Cool video and explanations. Thanks.
+Glenn Beltz Glad you enjoyed!!
4:01-4:11 sheesh the speed! Don’t they normally go slow?
It's the angle
Nice videos man.
Why the announcements are hard to hear of train horn and screeching at the station?
If the rail is broken under the Steinway Tube Tunnel under the East River, why were there no services between Times Square and Grand Central?
Railfan 0734 One Track was taken out of service because of the broken rail. Single tracking between Times Sq and Grand Central would cause dangerous levels of crowding at all affected stations.
I love every time you say slow or extreme caution you speed up the video does not sound like slow or extreme caution to me 😉
Great video.
I have a question that I always wonder...
I have to commute to Chambers St every day and I take the 1 uptown and then the 2/3. Everytime the express trains pass Canal Train they always reduce their speed and go slow until Chambers. But the 1 never does that. Do you know why? is there a speed limit for the express trains in that section from Canal to Chambers.
+Pedro Luis Torres There are signals called "grade timers" that are intended to force the train operators on express trains to slow down before entering Chambers St. These signals stay red for a set amount of time, before turning green.
If the train operator goes too fast, he/she will pass the signal while it is still red, triggering the emergency brakes. While this in theory is meant to slow the trains down to a safe speed for the area, the timer signals start too far north of Chambers St station and force trains to slow down to a speed that is wayyy below the safety margin.
+Dj Hammers thank you for your explanation.
Good job with the videos :-)
I remember this happening on the L when I was a kid. I was lucky enough to have taken a wrong railing L tho.
Who knew the same thing that would happen to the L would happen to the 7...... Except that it would cause so many problems.....
+YoImShepard Hahaha it happens somewhat often. Things break.
I used to work on 33rd st- Rawson Ave so I got accustomed to spotty 7 train service at times. Any delay between Times Sq to Queensboro Plz was detrimental to the service and, coming from St. Lawrence Ave on the 6 line my transfer was at Grand Central. Well with all the delays and trains sometimes not running to Queens I skipped the 7 train all together and took the N or Q on over
+Christian Escobar It's always important to have a good understanding of your alternatives in case of an issue. You definitely had a good idea of how to handle delays!
Great video. I have never been to NYC. But when I do go. I will try and ride the 7. Hoping that this won't happen.
+TheTrainGame Thanks! This sort of thing happens pretty rarely, don't worry!
I hate taking the train as it is, but I have to say though the 7 line is by far the worst to ride on. When rush hour comes around and you have to get somewhere, you really have no choice but to stuck it up and get on. Waiting on the next train will not make the slightest difference what so ever.
looks like they handled it pretty well.
+dubsll They did the best they could. The only thing I think could have been done better was to switch ends at Grand Central faster.
Can you post the raw footage separate in another video? (I'm posting this two times just in case it disappears...)
Imagine this happening during the 2020 pandemic.
There's always an issue with the 7 line
NO
I thought of a Issue Just like this The QueensBoro Tunnel Had to be fixed So W Trains would run as Shuttles Between QueensBoro Plaza And Astoria N Trains would terminate At 96 Street And R Trains would run Via The M line
Abdoulie Ceesay Well if anything, they would do this:
(N): Runs In two sections:
-Between Coney Island and 57th Street, then via the Q to 96th Street.
-Between Queensboro Plaza and Astoria-Ditmars
(R): Service is rerouted via the Q from 57th Street to Lex-63rd, then vía the F to 36th Street.
(W): service operates between Whitehall Street and Lexington Avenue - 59th Street.
That’s what they did a few years back.
I want to be a subway operator in Chicago, do you have any tips you can give me, do you think it's necessary to go to college?
+jefrey meza I don't know what their requirements are, but I'd suggest going to college anyway
+Dj Hammers If I do go to college, what should I major in?
Question: Are you a Subway Operator? It's always been my dream to become a Subway Driver, And I'd like to know the process of what schools and such. Any Idea?
+Colin Gallagher I'm not a subway operator, but I'd like to work for a transit agency eventually. I'd aim to go to college, the best bet would be to major in engineering.
How did the MTA know there was a track break?
I remember when they were still using amber kerosene lanterns to mark work areas. Nowaday's I guess the lanterns run on battery/electric.
That is crazy
nice i like your vides
They should have used one track in both directions to keep service going. One train east then one train west
Uh, what about the 42nd Street Shuttle?
thesosososososo That would make the crowding WORSE. Plus they have the shuttle and the M42 bus.
Love seeing MTA "workmen" getting ready to "work". Those guys hardly work, er, I mean work hard.
bruv
Nice Video! What a mess! When u have an overcrowded platform like that at Queensboro Plaza it is unsafe. Especially if Idiots start pushing and shoving
+John Kaufmann thanks! You're right that crowd conditions can be unsafe. There have been incidents in which a mob mentality has led to injuries.
+Dj Hammers I remember back on Christmas Eve P.M. there was no service. So I took the N to catch the 7 at Queensboro Plaza. Big Mistake that evening when I saw how crowded the platform was.
+Dj Hammers Btw, Your Welcome! 😊
+Dj Hammers if the crowding gets worse they'll have to implement platform screen doors so nobody falls off the gap
Why didn’t the shuttle run between 34th street and grand central?
AzAzGod 2 To prevent platform crowding from getting worse
As usual on the 7 line. I feel bad for the people that commute on the 7 every day
Good lucky they didn't shutdown the 7 line between queensboro plaza and times square 42 street
nice video and for the 7 train passengers going to Queens they should have taking the 4 & 5 trains to 59th Street then N or Q trains ( fall 2016 N or W trains to) Queensboro Plaza since 7 trains are not operating between Queensboro Plaza and Grand Central
+EpicThe112 Thanks!
+EpicThe112 Numbered trains can't stop at lettered platforms. The gap will be to dangerous. I'm from Britian and know that.
TheTrainGame Know that,but Queensboro Plaza on the 7,N & Q trains fall 2016 W train is the only stop where a lettered train has a cross transfer to a number line. For me I've used lettered line to numbered line transfer via passage way at 5th ave Bryant Park from 7 train to D & F trains and at 14th street Union Square from Q train BMT Broadway to 4 train IRT Lexington Ave line
This happaned a bit more recent on the 1 and let me tell you they did not do well trying to handdle it i meen they said not trains betwwen dykmin and 137 but the dykmain trains were like a shuttle and ran exxpress back and forth to 242 making no stops i meen they did not do it the way it was like this
+linus farer Ohhh okay. The service north of Dyckman was really limited because of the track layout and the limited amount of trains they had to use.
Are there no more r62s on the 7 line?
+anttrex1 There's a few left
Ant C09 Sadly the R188s replaced the R62A i think theres only 1 or 2 sets left
Well that's not too good... What caused the rail to break?
+BVERailer - Weekly OpenBVE The weight of trains constantly passing over the rail contributes to metal fatigue, which can cause the rail to break.
+Dj Hammers So does this happen on other lines because of all the trains on the other lines run a lot so does this happen on other lines about regularly?
+BVERailer - Weekly OpenBVE Yeah, as Richard said, other lines can develop rail breaks as well.
+Richard Clarke Actually, metal contracts in the cold and becomes more brittle, rather than expanding. But you are definitely right that rail breaks do have a higher chance of occurring in the cold
There was limited service on the 7 Flushing Line for some time because of the broken rail in the Steinway Tunnel, wasn't there?
+Donald Shaw Yeah. Many trains were turned at Queensboro Plaza.
Obviously, there were a lot of people trying to get home. My guess is the platform at Queensboro Plaza was very crowded.
How did the rail broke?
+rafael asuncionXD (broniesrock285) The weight of trains constantly passing over the rail contributes to metal fatigue, which can cause the rail to break. It's something that just happens once in a while.
Dj Hammers oh
+Dj Hammers But the service, is it going to be like that all the time?
It must've been cheap foreign steel.
i like it nice and cool
that was crowded,lol.in general i try to keep my options open just in case anything happens and i have to go another way home.but in here this is rather common,since idiots like to steal signalling parts.
+magicmasterfan1 It's always good to have a good understanding of the system, so you can figure out alternatives in case of a service issue.
I was so lucky becuz i realized they were wrong railing trains out of queensboro plz but most of the passeengers are ignorant so they dont hear the announcement, my train was quite empty
Luckily for me,I need either the A C J Z 3 4 L to get me home :D
+William Beresford Yea the 7 runs by itself to queens
+Tonio guy So you can only transfer to the 7 in Queens before it goes by itself to Flushing
DO ANOTHER
3:20 woah that N train was very crowded
Why not the Queens bound track be used as a shuttle in both ways between Grand Central 42St and Hudson Yards 34St ?
Because there's the shuttle and also it's only a few blocks
And the track layout prohibits this.
thesosososososo That would cause dangerous crowds at all stations.
3:23 I thought that was a R188 XD
I was stuck on a train at court square because of this :(
I feel bad for all the people who live on the Flushing line but then Again it's the MTAs Fault for making little connections to Queens unlike Brooklyn or the Bronx
It's not their fault it's the IRT and IND fault
What even caused this maybe the tracks are just very very old
How'd the rail break?
+I'll take a potato chip.... And eat it! Metal fatigue from trains rolling over it
No social distance wow.
What is "wrong railing"?
+fanfig77200 Running on a track in the opposite direction than intended.
where I live, wrong railing is called single tracking
our subway system is full of problems nowadays
+Im a train Fanatic The state HAS the cash, they just hate funding NYC for the stricken subeay.
+TheFlyingTank *Subway
You are luckey to get a seat if you got on the 7 train!
I thought they would use R62A’s
Pretty odd to see a R188 As a Shittle
What causes a rail to break?
+Dan g The weight of trains constantly passing over the rail contributes to metal fatigue, which can cause the rail to break. Sometimes, rails can have flaws in their construction that can lead to an break.
They should of put 7 trains in two sections. Between grand central and 34st, and between grand central and main st
For service to further stations, transfer at grand central to a 34st bound train
Charizard 32 That would cause the congestion at Queensboro Plaza, Court Sq, Hunters Point Av, Vernon-Jackson, Grand Central, 5th Avenue, Times Sq, And 34th-Hudson to be way worse and unmanageable.
Rail condition? What condition? It’s not acceptable to let that happen during such rush hour! Can’t believe this happened in the first tier city of the number one country in the world! Lucky that I was not using the 7 train.
Living in Flushing, I need to rely on 7 and F everyday. I have to say that around Mets it’s the worst. Trains always do 10 mph going in and out there.
Even the third tier city in the third world country won’t let this kind of service interruption happen. Come on, America.
David Wu Broken Rail. It is dangerous to have trains traverse a broken track.
If this were to happen now, during COVID? Disaster!
Oh wow that was a crowded train I would not like to ride that
A normal day on the 7 line....
Chaos and crap now that's what I call a very "S**ty" line
The 7 is good but when something happens you can't even run a blimming shuttle
Its only gonna get worse as more and more parts of the subway continue to age and the city and state leave it to do so and they only fix rails when they break.
+Joseph Davis There are a bunch of initiatives that the MTA is taking to be more proactive about rail breaks and other infrastructure issues. I think it'll translate in to some significant progress
Other Transit Company: Uses a specific train to transport the rail workers
MTA: ##### please! if I have a normal train why have the specifics to transport the rail workers?
Null 42 You do realize that the MTA has a special set of trains that they use for work service. These yellow consists of cars no longer in revenue service (though some stainless steel R32s pop up here and there).
This is why I can’t live in Queens. There’s always something wrong going on with the trains inbound and outbound from that borough.
David Maine facts I live in the Bronx and there not that much train delays
5k!
OMG!!! 😳😱😮
R188s should not be on the 7 in the first place
Andre Er Why? Those R188 cars are there to automate the Flushing Line with CBTC, something the R62As can’t do.
i mean i like it
В выхино всегда так...
how this happend
+V Train productions The weight of trains constantly passing over the rail contributes to metal fatigue, which can cause the rail to break.
7 trains has the shittiest service...
Use E F M N R or Q trains
honk on 0:19
0:40
Lol!
K
22w9
i should last stop of quees
Zs
Can you post the raw footage separate in another video? (I'm posting this two times just in case it disappears...)
+Kyron Liu When I get a chance, I'll compile it and post it! :D
Okay, thanks!