The SECRET TRAP Commanders you MUST NOT Expertise! Rise of Kingdoms

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  • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
    @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад +6

    I think I need to specify the point of this video since there is a bit of confusion! These commanders I mention today aren’t bad on the field at all! It’s just their expertise has less value than that of other commanders and they preform better at a cheaper skill level. For example a 5115 Joan will do better than a 5511 Nevsky so save Gh from her and put it in another commander! That doesn’t mean she isn’t a good commander just she has a lot of value at the first few skills!

    • @janihaavisto79
      @janihaavisto79 3 месяца назад

      @@ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms Yeah, that J got from the video too. And since you're the Archer main I'm interested on our opinion on Hermann, and when he's good enough for the field. Hue actually might be 1 of those commander's out necessarily don't wanna expertise. Also I do have Cyrus. At 5531, Artemisia 5541 of was she 5154.... and Tomhris is also on roster but only 5211. Was thinking if Artemisia or Tomyris would work with Boudjca P, then I could make. 2 archer marches.

  • @Sigma33RY
    @Sigma33RY 5 месяцев назад +2

    I got 5515 Joan in the beginning. Since she was a must have in the field, expertised her later. It was good for a while, and was worth it eventually. This is a good way to get them fast on field, but not permanent. 10% damage is a big difference given how much we spend on equipment for the edge.

  • @janihaavisto79
    @janihaavisto79 5 месяцев назад +4

    Question, in your opinion is Boudica P also good with 5515 or 5551 skill order? And Hello from Finland! Saw you from Omniarch's channel and decided to check you out.

  • @assassinwolf7216
    @assassinwolf7216 5 месяцев назад +1

    As an archer main with Hermann Prime, Boudica Prime and Henry all expertised, I got a chuckle out of this video.

  • @KingJamie2229
    @KingJamie2229 5 месяцев назад +3

    I don't even like infantry commanders....
    But if they come out with a Sun Tzu I'd probably max him!! Rise of kingdoms would have to be slow to not make Sun Tzu meta

  • @slava313630
    @slava313630 5 месяцев назад +4

    Hi, so what should i do? I'm f2p and saving gh for nevsky+joan. I thought I should expert both, but you say that 5|1|1|1 Joan is fine. Any idea what 3rd commander I should invest in? Another cav or different type unit?

    • @KingPandā-c1z
      @KingPandā-c1z 5 месяцев назад

      As a F2P Scipo prime should be your next commander if your in SoC then your Sun Tzu should also be Expertised and a Decent Secondary until you can invest in LC and replace SunTzu but if you want another Cav Huo and William (5551) should be the Next combo

    • @tengkualiff
      @tengkualiff 5 месяцев назад

      Personally, I would save up after finishing a pair. Next, you could work on an Inf/Archer pair.
      Ever since the Beli Prime release, i doubt we'll get the next Nevsky/ZL/LC anytime soon (might have to wait for Oct 2024/CNY 2025).

    • @Clownfish3377
      @Clownfish3377 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@KingPandā-c1zlol Sun tzu in soc... even æthel is a better choice As secundary

    • @KingPandā-c1z
      @KingPandā-c1z 5 месяцев назад

      @pluschgewalt3451 Athel doesn't give Inf Stats, Rage or Skill Damage why would you pair her with Scipo Prime When She Can Be with Salidan even then F2p shouldn't be using Sal Athel unless they plan to fight in Murdaer balls behind thier whales

    • @Clownfish3377
      @Clownfish3377 5 месяцев назад

      @@KingPandā-c1z the results say that æthel is better choice than epic commander. Sure you dont get 10% health from Sun tzu but 20% less counterattack + a 5 troop 180° aoe with 3 debuffs (they Stack with scipio debuff) and this both is more worth then everything Sun tzu gives to scipio p.

  • @sharbandarrimau8448
    @sharbandarrimau8448 5 месяцев назад +3

    🤣❤🎉 I got rank 1 MGE because of Kvk's contribution 2 times. I don't know why I chose him at that moment. but I only used it for a while, it has reached the expiry date when I was Henry max

    • @sharbandarrimau8448
      @sharbandarrimau8448 5 месяцев назад +1

      Yes I have also maxed Hermann Prime. Now We know that his expertise is less useful😅

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад

      if you used him form release maybe it would be worth it but not atm

  • @captainloopy8919
    @captainloopy8919 5 месяцев назад +4

    I have ZL 5551 Herman 5511.
    Should I expertise ZL and then get Herman to 5551 or should I get Herman to 5551 and then expertise ZL?
    Note I have 0 gold heads because I just got ZL to 5551 but I do I have vip 13.

    • @davelorenz9986
      @davelorenz9986 5 месяцев назад +1

      Better go for expertising Zl first

    • @tengkualiff
      @tengkualiff 5 месяцев назад

      ZL exp then Herman exp.

    • @soulstart89
      @soulstart89 5 месяцев назад

      Expertise ZL first then expertise Hermann. 1-4 skills of Hermann are important

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад

      ZL then hermann 5551

    • @marktaylor6073
      @marktaylor6073 5 месяцев назад

      Hermann does fine at 5511 then slowly build up to 5531 then 5551 when you are almost done with the game

  • @omerhzl4237
    @omerhzl4237 5 месяцев назад +6

    Nice content but I think this channel can be more than these trick videos. I watched ur some live streams and ur gameplay is nice to watch too. Maybe AOO or Olympia contents can take a try?

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад +1

      I try stream them when I can!

    • @janihaavisto79
      @janihaavisto79 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdomsyou know you could do more collabs with other YT streamers. Bringing your experience as an archer main

  • @ahmedraza2706
    @ahmedraza2706 5 месяцев назад +4

    I got lucky with Joan, I got 1115 and all I did next was to get her to 5115

  • @lusiferkrub6681
    @lusiferkrub6681 5 месяцев назад +1

    For Herman and Guan you were right but for JoanP you were wrong bcz if you not max skill you will loss almost 9% damage and almost 10% march if out site is almost 20% this is huge and more huge when you combine with Nevsky.(imagine 10% damage Nevsky and JoanP taking upon enemy in the murder ball ),now you see picture yet?
    When you enter KvK you try so hard to be No.1 for buff 3%
    When you upgrade Formation ,you try so hard to get Damage near 10% instead of health
    When you forge armored ,you try so hard to reach level 4 for not even touch 10% damage.
    Right?

  • @woodsyalarm5439
    @woodsyalarm5439 5 месяцев назад +4

    i think if sun tzu prime releases he will replace guan maby with a silence or similar kit

  • @Lewrud
    @Lewrud 5 месяцев назад +2

    I have a 5551 Boudi Prime and I've had it paired with YSG for ages, what comm should I work on to pair with her over YSG?

  • @nath-hh2ff
    @nath-hh2ff 5 месяцев назад +1

    Good video as usual. However, i disagree with using gold heads or skill resets on Guan. I use him still and have gotten more value out of him than any other commander. I wouldn't invest now though. Unless you're a big spender. He's just going to be headed to the bench too soon to be a good invest.

  • @img_unedited
    @img_unedited 5 месяцев назад +1

    You need to test Herman expertise because my reports show that Herman expertise doesn't care if his opponents lose the poison stacks. His expertise is very valuable in hit and run combat.

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад

      not if the opponets lose the poision it is if you lose combat like when his rage resets which often happens because the targets may die before you hit 25 stacks or get too far!

    • @img_unedited
      @img_unedited 5 месяцев назад

      @@ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms it still works if opponents lose their poison stacks. I used Hermann inflicted 6 poison stacks on 3 targets, total 18 stacks, walked away, wait for the 3 targets lose all of their poison stacks. Then Hermann inflicted 4 stacks on 3 targets and he casted his active skill again

    • @img_unedited
      @img_unedited 5 месяцев назад

      @@ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms in the reports, however, I never see any where mentioning his expertise, I just see Hermann casts active skill, 2nd commander casts active skill then Hermann casts active skill

  • @lelouch8470
    @lelouch8470 5 месяцев назад +4

    I used all my skill resets for Joan and got 5554 without locking skills🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿

    • @Ahoooooooo
      @Ahoooooooo 5 месяцев назад

      All resets is how many ?

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад

      well I guess just expertise lol

    • @KingJamie2229
      @KingJamie2229 5 месяцев назад

      My man got jokes! 🤣🤣

    • @KingJamie2229
      @KingJamie2229 5 месяцев назад

      @@Ahoooooooo I'm FTP for more than 5 years and I have only ever had three resets for skills.

  • @tengkualiff
    @tengkualiff 5 месяцев назад +1

    1:10 i like how some people in the comments section completely ignores how he defines 'Trap Commanders' & his explanation. 😅

  • @eugenetorres2087
    @eugenetorres2087 5 месяцев назад

    I'm a cav fp2 I have expertised Nevsky/Joan Xy/Saladin Atilla/Takeda and for my fourth march I'm gonna invest on archer commander, I have Zhugeliang 5545 and don't have anyone to pair him with. Do you have any recommendation? Currently pairing her with Aethelflaed or 5553 elcid without museum artifact.

  • @puddlecakes
    @puddlecakes 5 месяцев назад +3

    10% more damage on Boudicca not value? And now with commanders coming out with disarms. Guan yu museum. I think the expertise adds more value. And Herman prime I like because I try to stay in combat in big fights. Tends to proc more as long as you stay in combat.

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад

      its only 10 normal damage because it has a specific troop attached to it. If we see another rise in disarms maybe but only the ranged commander had it and Beli P disarm bypasses boudica

    • @puddlecakes
      @puddlecakes 5 месяцев назад

      @@ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms 10 normal damage is a significant amount when you're fighting against high counterattacking infantry and high attack cavs. All archers have is skill damage but if they are losing on 10% white damage per second, higher skill damage doesn't actually do much.

  • @KleyderSs
    @KleyderSs 5 месяцев назад

    si tengo boudica pericia vale la pena aun meterle cabezas a artemisa? ya tengo zhuge pericia y hermarn 5551

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад

      sorry I only speak english

    • @marktaylor6073
      @marktaylor6073 5 месяцев назад

      Boudica y YSG Es bien por una 2do
      ZL y Hermann asi tu solo gusta una arqueo
      ZL Boudica es bien y no crecer Heemann mas
      No toce Arte por nada

  • @KingJamie2229
    @KingJamie2229 5 месяцев назад

    Don't listen to people that just have bad things to say, I think you're very educated on this, If you have a lot of comments being made, it's because you made a good video that's worthy of being talked about! 👍

  • @nwar1995
    @nwar1995 5 месяцев назад +1

    Hermann Prime's expertise skill is bad because players can just walk away before reaching 25 stacks. But, all his other skills are a must at max level. So technically, you still have to max him. 😂

  • @catchyourdrift
    @catchyourdrift 5 месяцев назад +3

    Expertising a commander is basically utilising its utmost skills before it became useless and it will became handy in SoC when these commanders will be put in skill bastions. Choose wisely and try to maxed them rather than chasing meta in 5511s.

  • @HullEdits
    @HullEdits 5 месяцев назад

    Well, in my opinion I feel like Martel & Richard are a trap. Whilst their stats are considerably good for early game it's bad for long term even if you use Martel as a garrison it's pointless he'll still be destroyed. I recommend Scipio though he's pretty good.

  • @clarktmotovlog29
    @clarktmotovlog29 5 месяцев назад

    what pair are you using with henryV?

  • @ctchan2484
    @ctchan2484 5 месяцев назад +11

    Apparently you dont understand the mechanism of posion and also all damage. I suggest you to do more open-field tests before releasing new videos regarding commander skills. I dont mean to be disrespectful but I really think that you are misleading your subscribers.
    V17 mid spender been playing ROK for 1755 days. Main Inf (3x), second Arc (2x), and third cav (1x). Hermann P, Joan P, Boudica P, Guan Yu, and Henry all expertised.

    • @FriedChicken555
      @FriedChicken555 5 месяцев назад +1

      In context since you know a lot about the mechanics of rok. What is preferred between all damage, skill damage, or health?

    • @soulstart89
      @soulstart89 5 месяцев назад +2

      ⁠@@FriedChicken555this question is extremely layered as it is dependent of the commanders kit.
      All damage amplifies normal attack, attack, counterattack, skill damage and smite damage.
      Skill damage just skill damage.
      Health is self-explanatory.
      Attack stat Amplifies skill damage, smite damage, normal attack (not to the degree of all damage)
      Hermann is a beast and I found the 4th skill which stacks all damage reduction to poisoned enemies is MASSIVE. My ZL/hermann was always the last standing in a big murderball. We all know how weak and targeted archers are.

    • @soulstart89
      @soulstart89 5 месяцев назад +1

      I have to agree with the original poster.

    • @soulstart89
      @soulstart89 5 месяцев назад +1

      Another I fully disagree with is him stating William doesn’t want to be expertised. I played with willliam at 5551 for a LONG time. When I maxed him I noticed a big jump in utility for my allies and damage output. IMO William is low key a beast. Aging like fine wine. In a setup up of huo/william, nev/joan, ZL/hermann, guan/scipio and Liu che/alex (all maxed).The two highest kill count commanders were huo and William by a long shot.

    • @DaddyDavid2943
      @DaddyDavid2943 5 месяцев назад +1

      No more hate comments, respected to him and he still in school

  • @agamersimprint5658
    @agamersimprint5658 5 месяцев назад +1

    Before watching and as a new player I can tell cao cao expertise is extremely detrimental.

  • @suleyman38
    @suleyman38 5 месяцев назад +1

    In how many days comes new archer kommanders?

    • @puddlecakes
      @puddlecakes 5 месяцев назад

      It’s like 6-8 weeks yet for infantry. Then pending how they do the commanders inbetween archers or after. It would but I’d say a solid 14-16 weeks at this point.

    • @suleyman38
      @suleyman38 5 месяцев назад

      @@puddlecakes thanks

    • @Xander2026
      @Xander2026 5 месяцев назад

      @@puddlecakes I had no idea you still play this game lol. Unless you don't anymore 😂

    • @Clownfish3377
      @Clownfish3377 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@puddlecakesyou forgot leadership.... first infantry then leadership then archer

    • @puddlecakes
      @puddlecakes 5 месяцев назад

      @@Clownfish3377 Leadership was half the time last rotation though because of the ranged commanders. They came out what? 5-6 weeks after?

  • @millitrilli872
    @millitrilli872 5 месяцев назад

    I just think hermann is not to worth to investing gh on him, i always feel like boudica /ashur is better to be pair with zhuge. Idk why, he was just not strong enough in the field

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад

      Hermann out does boudica everywhere as someone who has used both extensively I would die on that hill 😆

  • @CuriosityVlogging
    @CuriosityVlogging 5 месяцев назад

    Why did you say "... 320 gold heads to actually reach it..."
    Where did 320 come from? If youre 5551 its 310 to max, since 690-380=310. If you're not 5551 then its more than 320 aswell. Just curious on the number used.

  • @markspector8667
    @markspector8667 5 месяцев назад +3

    I'm not asking a question but I'm a low spender 25 Lego commanders expertise and I totally disagree when you're in the field during KVK most of the time you're in murder balls and you're going to hit multiple targets which is going to give you stacks really quick and then on top of it if you hit that 200 damage factor You're going to get an extra two stacks on top of all those other stacks that are accumulating quickly. Also I'm a cavalry mane and I will say the Joan prime is absolutely worth expertiseing. Been playing ROK for 1426 days.

    • @KingPandā-c1z
      @KingPandā-c1z 5 месяцев назад +1

      Any Expertised makes a commander better but JP Expertised makes such a little difference that it's not worth all the GH 😅

    • @kingstogodshm3251
      @kingstogodshm3251 5 месяцев назад

      I find it crazy that RUclipsrs who are sponsored or spend like crazy say keep pushing for 5115 joan prime even though you can’t get those as f2p so it’s just crazy you know

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад

      @kingstogodshm3251 I don't expect someone to realistically get a 5115 joan but lets say a 5325 joan if you use skill resets is possible! then just don't max her save the 320 heads use them on the absolute meta

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад

      its not saying she is bad as an expertise ofc she will be better but is it 320 heads of value over for example nevsky who needs the expertise more? I say no. That being said like I mentioned ofc these commanders will be stronger expertised but how much is the question?

  • @KingJamie2229
    @KingJamie2229 5 месяцев назад

    Yeah bro, IF YOU'RE FTP, OR LOW SPENDER, IT'S A 100% MUST MAX YOUR COMMANDERS!!!!! If you're serious about playing FTP, it's a must!

  • @Fty678-th7ux
    @Fty678-th7ux 5 месяцев назад

    My biggest regret was expertise guan yu.

  • @KingJamie2229
    @KingJamie2229 5 месяцев назад

    Bro, the problem is, If the fourth skill is worth it, You don't have a choice, You must max! So it's not a matter of a expertise skill being worth it or not, It's a matter of the fourth and fifth scale being worth it!!

  • @Jinxo-md2jl
    @Jinxo-md2jl 5 месяцев назад

    What about huo?

  • @Seaangel987
    @Seaangel987 5 месяцев назад

    6:44 if you have skill resets you should unlock all and then try and get to 1115 or 2115 (very unlikely I know) then lock everything except the first skill and max it, best way to get to 5115 (2/4 > 1/3 hits)

  • @SueLinNg
    @SueLinNg 5 месяцев назад

    Nice

  • @te9230
    @te9230 5 месяцев назад +1

    Herman expertise is amazing. You having to be aggressive in murderballs to see the difference. If you’re in an aggressive imp kingdom you’ll definitely see the value

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад

      I did get some value when playing agressive but it often led to me getting sad faced which I can't keep up with. and on defence when trying to stall its usless

  • @markspector8667
    @markspector8667 5 месяцев назад

    I mean I get what you're saying But when you get into tougher fights you're going to want to have those commanders expertise because it may not be an insane amount of extra stats but it's good to have it because like I said if you're facing somebody that's on par with you it's going to come down to skills and gear and armaments

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад

      ofc it can make and will make a commander stronger but sometimes you may be limited on GH or other meta investments release!

  • @cmscitramusikstudio2267
    @cmscitramusikstudio2267 5 месяцев назад +1

    320 gh???
    390 to expertise.
    Lol

  • @NoahJonesNews
    @NoahJonesNews 5 месяцев назад +2

    Just stop calling the homie Lou churrr and call him Lou Chay. 😂

  • @LoL-bd9gc
    @LoL-bd9gc 5 месяцев назад

    I got joan p 5135 😢

  • @johnlandrigan6578
    @johnlandrigan6578 5 месяцев назад

    I disagree with hermann prime. Yes 25 stacks is rare but why would u leave combat? Just keep pounding until u red and leave or die. yes ur target will try to run when he gets the purple numbers but u can hit other guys and not reset the 25 target. Besides all 4 of Hermanns skills are great even if someone agrees with the expertise.

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад

      Its often the fact that the target may die which evicts you from combat, or you get to far, or you die before 25 stack. Leaving combat counts as whenever you get a new report not like when you leave the actual field

  • @ForeiignX
    @ForeiignX 5 месяцев назад

    I think henry should be expertised considering almost nobody is going to be using him in the field and if youre going to use him it would be in a rally

  • @TJMiton
    @TJMiton 5 месяцев назад

    this is an extremely dated way of thinking tbh. any commander youre using in soc you should be expertising.
    dont invest in a new commander if you dont have the heads to max it.

  • @jeronecutikazem7401
    @jeronecutikazem7401 5 месяцев назад

    Incredible clickbait. *dont max joan (cos im archer main)* lmao! xd

    • @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms
      @ArchersSyndicateRiseOfKingdoms  5 месяцев назад

      Huh💀 I promise there is no alternative motive here 🤣 Joan is just not as needy of the expertise since she is quite op without it! But Nevsky benefits from it at a higher amount so save the heads put it in him was the goal today

  • @AzzamAbuJbara
    @AzzamAbuJbara 5 месяцев назад

    1. You shouldn’t invest in guan never ever he’s garpoo
    2. You forgot to mention the biggest tarp (sargon) at 5550 you already have +90% of his value
    3. Scipio at 5551 you have +80% of his value