Trading my C5 Corvette for a C4 Corvette ZR1 | DriveHub
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- Trading my C5 Corvette for a C4 Corvette ZR1 | DriveHub
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GUYS I didn't trade the C5 for the C4 for good, it was merely a swap for a few days to try it out. I STILL have the C5 and here's the latest on it; ruclips.net/video/MLrP-_Ftogw/видео.html
For a pristine ZR-1, I would have traded it for good.
Lame
I ordered one new and waited 18 months for it to arrive at the dealership. I had a 6 year lease with a $20k buy out option. I then got a 3 year loan to pay the buy out. 9 years of huge payments! LOL I still own it and will never finance a car again. It is still a monster. I love this video!
Welcome to the KOTH club, it was a true super car back in its day. Do not fear the rarity of finding engine parts for the car, if the car was well taken care of that engine is bulletproof. Take good care of the car and it’ll take good care of you, take it from someone that has driven/owned many different brands of cars, including Italian exotics, like Ferrari and Lamborghini, when I drive my 91 ZR1 it’s an unparalleled experience, I love it. Best of luck and happy motoring.
Thoughts on a 1992 c4 corvette? Its an automatic with about 111,000 miles and I think Imma buy it.
@@tayvenwilliams8156 great starter cars, easy to work on, parts are readily available (if you get the non-ZR1 version that is) and just make sure it has a good service history.
@@tayvenwilliams8156absolutely not😂
Sounds like a good Hagerty video with Jason Camisa.
I just traded my C5 Z06 for a red tan leather 90 ZR-1!
I pick it up Saturday I can’t wait 👍
I think there were parts of this video that were lifted DIRECTLY from Jason Cammisa's Hagerty, especially in the first few minutes.
Having said that, the side on shot on the ZR-1 at 1:23 is - BY FAR - the most amazing shot of a ZR-1 I've ever had the pleasure to watch. That was pretty awesome.
And the sound of that engine and the stock exhaust is truly magical. Why anyone would want to change that exhaust is completely beyond me. The LT5 has a sound like no other engine ever built. And did you notice when you were revving it... No flames shooting out the exhaust... no backfiring. None of that stupid racer boy bullshit.
Just a perfect sports car. Divine.
Tilted back radiator doesn’t mean squat when you have a front plate.
That’s 90% of the reason why many states and provinces require front plates: it’s a giant radar reflector.
Why would you ever put a front plate on a vette?
@@Yakub9812 Why would you put a front plate on ANY vehicle?
Good Video. I owned a 1990 Corvette ZR1 for 32 years - one owner. It became a Lingenfelter (LPE) ZR-1 in 2004. 586 HP on Lingenfelter dyno. Donated to father of LT5 in 2022.
You said that it had the highest skid pad results ever, but you didn't say that this car was the FIRST CAR TO GET TO 1G on the skid pad!!!
The ZR-1 wasn't the 1G car, that was the 1984 Z51 cars
KING OF THE HILL I always wanted one of those. Great video well edited The only problem with owning one now very hard to get parts I still love them.
Not true.
Parts availability is great. Fantastic aftermarket support
My best friend bought a ZR1 new back in 92. He had Lingenfelter heads and tune put on it plus the cats are deleted. He gave me a ride from hell about 15 years ago and it was disgustingly fast. I know because I own a 2014 Shelby GT 500. He's let it just sit the last decade or so with a leaky water pump. He's lost interest in the car and knows its resale value is disappointing. I came close to buying a used 93 yellow ZR1 but got turned off by the price of powertrain parts, delaminating ZR1 windshields, the Tokyo by night instrument display, and Leggos dash assembly. The Zeds are an amazing period piece nonetheless and I hope they are treasured accordingly.
Thank you for making my day ,almost bought one but couldn’t make the deal. Still a heartfelt desire.
Has a rock solid drive train, good buy bud.
Loving the new video format. Definitely along for the ride with your channel.
ya dude! I have a 19 ZR1 with the wing and now I just bought a 91 ZR1 with 9K miles on it! Can’t wait to get it! Love your vid!
Great video, just one small note which it seems all but the most devoted Corvette enthusiasts seem to not realize. The C4 was not a fiberglass body. In fact Corvettes have NOT had a FIBERGLASS body since 1972. Starting in 1973 Corvette bodies have been made from SMC and Carbon Fiber for some later model body parts.
My favorite is the C2.
Yep you can’t beat the mid year cars.
I thought you actually traded the C5!😱 Thank god that wasn’t the case
That’s his money maker for the Chanel
Having owned a 1990 ZR1 for nearly 18 years honestly I didn't really like the car very much. I was always afraid that if I ever had to repair it for what ever reason I would have to mortgage my life to afford the repairs. By the time I sold it I was old enough, (in my 70s) that I couldn't hardly get in and out of the car. AND that is the LAST Corvette I will ever own.
….and yes I am jealous. I was old enough to read reviews when the ZR1 came out. Very cool car still. Crazy that some pretty basic modern Mustangs have more power than the 90s ZR1
HP doesn't tell the whole story. The standard LT1 is as quick as a modern V6 Mustang, and with better handling.
I'm only a hair slower than GTs on the street in my LT1, but I'm sure some of that comes down to driver.
Damn you just made me wanna keep my C4.
Great stuff. Funny stuff. Interesting material.
Nice job! One of your best videos in a while! Keep ‘em coming, bro!
I can’t believe you called the 911 a “Porsh”…….😳
Hey, what’s up bud? Nice Corvett keep on making videos I like watching them.
When you test drive a C4 ZR1, rev to 3500 rpm In 3rd gear then turn the valret key on, you will feel/hear the secondary injectors kick in. Nice video.
Great episode. Awesome car.
oh my, are those the original GS-C Goodyears on there? lol. People need to understand how dominant the C4 corvette was and im not talking the zr1, that speaks for itself. The C4 L98 was so dominant in racing , it got Kicked out of the Escort series. It was 29-0 vs the porsche 944 turbo. They had to create a series just for corvettes called the, " challenge series". It was hard to beat all around back in the day. John Lingenfelter was king. Mind you JOHN Lingenfelter. He would dominate with the open build corvettes all the motortrend , car & driver tests they would have in magazines. Honestly, since he passed, Lingenfelter is good but are NOT the same as they were when he was running things. Back then the seats were better than all the offerings from c5 and c6 and some levels of c7 vettes . Look at the adjustable articulation. I loved it . It was called the " Valet" key for the mere fact valet's were less likely to take it out and hammer the car.
I have a 1996 LT1. C4 corvettes rock !!
C4 ZR1's are amazing cars for their day. Very expensive driveline and good luck maintaining it. They may be the best bargain around these days.
What’s so hard about maintaining them . They are pretty much bullet proof.
@@jtome84-91Nothing is super hard. That guy is just tripping.
I have owned my c4 ZR-1 for 5 years now and it's needed nothing but regular maintenance. I bought it from the original owner and have service records since new. In 85K miles and 28 years there is maybe $500 worth of stuff aside from regular maintenance. People on the forums seem to have similar stories. They aren't that bad to maintain and most of the parts are still available.
The only thing that worries me is if I need an engine or even just a big overhaul on the engine of a ZR1. How likely that is, another question entirely. But I have to know the potential cost and difficulty if I am to pick a ZR1 over an LT4 for example. Perhaps ZR1s are affordable because people fear that cost.
@@Spartan265 yea, Im tripping. The LT4 is not an LS. It was built by lotus and not your usual american v8. I guess working on them is hard is the wrong term because it's all relative. If you have strong mechanical skills, then it's no biggie. So saying I'm tripping is not really a good reply. Just a bash.
ZR-1 had the standard FE1 suspension with FX3 shocks not the Z51 suspension.
Finally a man of culture
I love that first c4 that pulled in
I had a Red on Black 95 ZR1 new…was an awesome car…was a ripper for its day.
Nice video Jake. Sweet car
2 things: HP was rated as Net not gross then, so it isn't the same. Second, the top speed was much higher. All the marketing materials said, "life begins at 185". I had a brand new 91 ZR-1 in Torch Red with Black interior. Bought in 92 , these things sat at dealers being twice the price of a regular car. It was amazing and sounded exotic.
Great video!!!
Nice episode, beautiful car
The C4 ZR1 and the C4 LT4/Grandsport are the sweet spot.
And the Callaways...and the Lingenfelters....and the DRMs😁
Great car. Congrats!
My father designed these cars at General Motors
Very well made video here. The C4 was a vette of my youth so I had to own a few of them (still have one) and know them inside out. The ZR1 was very significant in it's time and that can't be understated enough. It was the first car to really restore the HP levels of the 60's and made the magazine rounds with those '89 media examples that Dave McLellan paraded out in Europe to great success. The way I remember it going down at the time was it took an extra model year to get them out to the public and that created a feeding frenzy where they were selling for much more than the sticker price selling around the six figure mark. I think what doomed them is they were late to market, the styling did not differentiate then enough from the base model (especially after 1991), and the introduction of the Dodge Viper. The Viper was so over the top with the 60's styling and power, it totally stole the thunder from the ZR1. A few other things was the GM power train division got complacent with the small block and the ZR1 gave them a wake up call to get in some development time in resulting in the LT1, LT4, and LS1. I got a L98 convertible running in the low 13's easy with minor modifications at PBIR raceway so the business case for the LT5 was probably not a good one. Videos are up on youtube somewhere. Lastly I own a Porsche 911 from this era and for a serious drivers machine, Chevy wasn't going to convert those buyers due to the poorly redesigned gauge cluster and the "sill" making the interior a less inviting space than the 911. The ZR1 lost money for all of those investment types but is a bargain today and a very special car. You have a keeper right there.
G'day from Australia, great video mate... You had me at the fart sound (+ 1 subscriber)
woahhhh nice dude!
What are you talking about they had the B2K option from the factory that would absolutely smoke Porsches 911 Turbo and Ferrari and Lamborghini it was a factory option
I love the early C4 Corvettes. There absolutely nice looking ❤
I love your video its christmas !!!! RAAAAAHHHH 🦅🦅🦅🦅
own two c4's love the dated interiors, my zr1 is so fun everyone wants to race it lol. on the freeway it holds its own
Countach got you on tire width as I’m sure the Diablo did also.
Both slower.
And the F40
Sorry 80's lambos countach had 345 size TIRES !
0:50 corvettes weren't made in detroit, they are made in kentucky :)
I had a ZR1 back in 92 and loved it but the GMC Cyclone beat the ZR1's in the 1/4 mile.
Problem is parts for them.
Got worried for a sec... this is a nice c4, but c5's I think are much better. Better looking and better built.
I feel the opposite lol. C4s look much better than the C5 to me.
I have and love my 2004 spiral grey 6 spd coupe, but would find it hard to pass up if someone came up and offered a straight up trade for a clean ZR1. ZR1 are very nice, and worth more than the avg C5. I like the look of both and of course the C5 does have the benefit of a generation of tech, but both are very cool.
C5 corvettes are visually a wet sock.
@@MountainBlade how do you really feel? Haha
The side sills are a pain in the very cool c4 Zr1. That was a reason I think the newer vehicles such as c5 and beyond are better as daily drivers and greater sales. The hydroformed steel frame rails of the c5 and beyond really did offer a more rigid chassis cutting down on side frame rails and ended chassis flex.
As great as the Zr1 c4 ..I’d pass
How's the seat of the pants compare to your old c5?? I'm really curious about how much difference you can feel. Cool car for sure. Just don't break parts or the wallet gets empty quick.
You Were hitting so many Facts I had to click on the video to like
I'll stick with my Doug Nash 4+3, thanks. It's lots of fun. In fourth gear, just put the pedal down to pass someone. Kinda like having an automatic.
Got a bit worried my friend lol prefer the c5’s imo but this c4 is nice for the year great video man.
C4 is more "exotic" to me than the C5. You can tell GM was going World Class with the C4 whereas the C5 was more about the performance value. Decent looking car and definitely fast, but doesn't turn as many heads as a clean C4.
Pretty Cool. My C4 has the same rear size tires as the ZR1 with no extra widening of the rear bumper. 2002 C5 rims and tires fit it like a glove and give this C4 a much better stance. My C4 is Black with Grey leather and yes, the Doug Nash 3 plus 4 manual transmission. I was able to add some shims to the shifter which made it much more accurate. I like this car and will keep it because of its uniqueness. The value of these is already increasing. Haggerty has told me the value of my car has increased substantially over the past 5 years..
It's a win over all
MY ZR1 had a electical issue and never cou find out where so I traded it in for a C6.
This car, forced the GM engineer team to create the engine that we know as the LS engine.
The square taillights kill me.
C4 ZR1s have such a nice bootie
after i got the service active handling codes on my car i got a HORRIBLE charge system fault code that i haven’t been able to shake. been through alternators and batteries trying to get my battery to charge like it once did so easily
3:45 Check the rear tire size on a Lamborghini Countach of the same year.
Great video, I just want to set the record straight when claims are made. To save you the trouble they are 345/35ZR15. Thanks and sorry.
Good move. Now you have a real feel corvette. Tight interior flat on the curves and balls out acceleration. Happy for you.😊
Just to clarify, the C4 Corvette regardless of trim is filled with some of the cheapest plastics and materials known to man, which results in squeaks and rattles that drastically impact the impression of the car overall. Also, most car testing companies and facilities struggled to replicate the performance numbers GM claimed with the ZR-1, however the Porsche 911 Turbo not only met expectations it could actually exceed them in some cases. The Porsche 911 Turbo is simply a better car overall including quality materials with the reputation of over 28,000 race wins, a feat no GM product could achieve. Don't get me wrong, nothing would make me happier than to promote an American car that can actually compete with the Germans and Italians but GM never actually created that reality, they were too focused on profit initiatives. While the Cosworth LT-5 C4 ZR-1 was an improvement, it didn't have an impact on its competitors that provided more quality engineered super cars.
It will be nice to hear a real world comparison to the c5. Congratulations 🍾
I'd rather have my c5..to each his own
I'm sure enjoying my 91Z 😊
An early C4 with a 383 stroker engine can easily out pull the ZR-1 while having far cheaper maintenance costs.
What r u using for headlights on the C5
Hope you have someone nearby who can work on LT5's. GM dealerships pretty much won't touch them, and most corner garages aren't going to have the experience to handle bigger issues. I looked for one of these for a while, but decided to settle on a '96 LT4 - nearly the same performance in a package that even I can work on in my own garage.
They aren't any more daunting to work on than a standard C4 till you get deep into the engine and by that point most people would cry uncle on even a standard small block.
LT4 is a hidden gem. Would love to own one someday, have a c5 z06 that will hopefully be making around 420whp by the end of the year, currently 360s
@@kylescaggs Parts are the other half of working on your own car, and parts for these are much harder to find by now, not to mention expensive.
@kevindavis5966 I own a ZR-1 and parts are available through Jerry's Gaskets, while they might cost more than an LT1 they are far from unobtainable.
@@kylescaggs No one has said they're unobtainable, but Jerry's Gaskets isn't down the street in every town like AutoZone or Advance, is it? If you're naming one place, that seems like a potential issue. And the prices on that site alone are so high it's frankly unbelievable. $250 for a set of coolant hoses??
I sold my C5 8 years ago. I regretted it. The C4ZR1 is a rattle cage. It truly made me appreciate the hydro-formed frame of the C5. I ended up selling the C4Zr1 for a C6Z06 and recently put on a procharger. I will never look back.
C6 interiors look too generic for my taste.
You have some balls boosting that LS7
@@innerlightfilmsyou want a nice interior go get a fully loaded Camry 😂
@@V8dadmartin define "nice"
@@innerlightfilmsI think he defines 'nice'* as a 'fully loaded Camry'
Excellent decision. C5 going down in value, never to return. ZR1 going up and up. I bought a ZR1 in 1999 for $6k. Everywhere I drive it someone offers me $40k for it. I laugh.
6k 😭 are you serious that’s wild
You should take those offers. They can go for less in good condition.
@@enemy2921 Why sell for $40k when I can get $60k? Bad advice.
only a fool would pay 60K for that one off piece of junk haha
@@tonypitsacota2513
@@tonypitsacota2513keep telling yourself that to ease the pain.
Stop it, these are going 10-20k for a decent c4!
on paper looks great but to maintain and modify that lt5 compared to the ls1 it just doesn't make sense... you gotta be at 5500 plus rpm to even notice the difference between a stock c5 and your zr1. simple cam upgrade on an ls1 will smoke any lt5 and just think how much you have to spend for the 30 plus year old lt5 upgrades lol
That ZR-1 just needs a real exhaust, badly
I have a 96 Z-51 tuned with JETS DST and its much faster compared to stock. Allot faster...If you can tune that ZR-1, you'll unleash even more Horsepower and Torque. GM loads these C4's with timing retard tables and rich fuel management. Try to get yours tuned. You'll be amazed what is hidden underneath your foot.
I wish the prices weren’t going up. For great condition it’s over 10 k 😢
I'm in total shock that you've gone and done this! Your C5 and your videos were one of my favorites on RUclips. I'm quite dissapointed..
It's still fkn cool!
3:20 lmao
It have to be 94-95 ZR1 for me to trade my 02EB C5 Z06!
Where are you finding C4s starting at 2 grand? Ever since 2020 they've doubled in price.
Bought mine for 1200 in 20 now the exact same car I can touch for less than 5000 it’s ridiculous
I would take a base model C4 after 1984 and before 1990 any day of the week against a ZR1.
Dont need the power, do want the gauges and the 4+3!!! That's what makes the car scream "80s"
Great video! These are the last of the real Corvette 's ... I am not a fan of the new ones at all.
There's no word . . " costed" .
Join the registry!
Have 2 in the family
What happened to the c6
I don't know where the gentleman gets his pricing data, but it seems way off. According to Corvette Magazine's 2023 Buyers Guide, the cheapest base coupe in "low" condition (1984 & 85) is $4K, and the most expensive in "good" condition (1996) is $20K. Good luck getting a decent C4 for $5-6K. And instead of going nowhere, prices only seem to be going up. Is a C5 improved over the C4....yes, of course. But isn't that whats supposed to happen to automotive technology over time? As also stated the the Buyers Guide "....the best way to go fast in a Corvette without spending a fortune."
Cheapest and the only C4 ZR1 for sale in Finland is 40k
Costed isn't a word.
People when I’m at car shows always are like blah blah blah no OHC vettes.
I show them the ZR1 and they shit themselves.
In elementary school in KY I got to visit the factory while they made C4’s.
Who the hell would trade a ZR1 for a basemodel C5?!?! Someone isn't very smart!!!
Wheels are on the wrong side of the vehicle, left side should be mounted on the right, right on left.
The wheels are mounted correctly. Look closely, they are designed to extract hot air from the brake discs as the wheel rotates when the car is going forward.
Red Dwarf rules. Let's get some new episodes out there, Doug Naylor!@@Kryten4000
These are going for 8500 in my area ☠
Good luck rebuilding it if something breaks. Much like the 2005 ford gt. Theres no parts support anymore. So when it breaks and it will. Its a 90’s chevy. You’ll have a paper weight
Aside from the engine it’s 99% the same damn car as any c4 lmao and the lt5 is known to be pretty damn stout, there are plenty of people still getting use out of theirs, some with many many miles on their unopened engines
@@DickVanNiggz i met more of the stock style parts. But your right the motor is pretty stout bro.
Why??? My C5 beat a 1994 ZR-1 3 straight times at the dragstrip, and my C5 was internally stock, with an A4 transmission.....
@ernestkeller186 He may have beaten a ZR1 driven by someone who didn't know how to launch it properly.
te 96 LT4 was quicker but less top end tan te LT5, LT5 top eavy and ard to find parts for.