How to Form Lexan Race Car Windows

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  • @richardpapasian4045
    @richardpapasian4045 4 года назад +14

    You're INSANE! I can't believe I found exactly why was in my head but wasn't sure if it was a thing IRL. Many thumbs up from the States. Thank You!

  • @Jonh707
    @Jonh707 3 года назад +1

    What a Genius way of making these !!! Well done sir !

  • @pepecoco
    @pepecoco 5 лет назад +3

    Excellent idea!!! Thanks again Bill and the person who posted the idea.

  • @melgross
    @melgross 5 лет назад +2

    While I’m not really into cars, this gives me some ideas. I use lexan a lot in various projects. I do have a laboratory oven I use for powder coating and drying. Very good!

  • @eddiebrown9590
    @eddiebrown9590 Год назад

    Without watching your vids, i would have never thought there was so much to know, thank you so very much, luckly i only have one curvef window to worry about in the FX, the rear one, all other glass is flat.
    Eddie.

  • @skaford
    @skaford 5 лет назад +2

    SIR! You are a master. Thank you for share your knowledge and experience with this material. My highest respect for you. Thank you.

  • @SKR1967
    @SKR1967 4 года назад +1

    Excellent work. Thankyou for sharing. With the defects in the lexan I had a thought. If you insulated the oven with a layer of ash bricks or the likes to improve the ability to have even heat in every corner of it, then did some tests with a pyrometer to make sure you missed any voids of hotter or colder air, this may help with reducing the bubbling of the lexan. Another thought was fan forced to pressurise the air for an even heat.

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  4 года назад +2

      The sort of defects I showed here were not generated by uneven heat, rather as I said, the cause is the water/moisture the sheeting soaks up out of the air. THAT is what causes the bubbling. Even heat is not so much an issue as good air circulation, because you need to expel the moisture from the oven as it is removed by the heat. This is why I fitted a large electrical fan underneath my oven burners to both suck in fresh air and blow out the dampened hot air.

  • @DANTHETUBEMAN
    @DANTHETUBEMAN 2 года назад +1

    Vary clear video, I wonder if a actione wipe down would help remove moisture? Besides that discoloration you got great results

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  2 года назад +1

      Wipe down would not stop the moisture problems with heat forming Lexan, because 1) polycarbonate sheet is by nature "hygroscopic" - a material that readily attracts water from its surroundings, 2) The moisture is not on the surface of the sheeting, but within it.

    • @DANTHETUBEMAN
      @DANTHETUBEMAN 2 года назад

      @@BillsBuildandRace thanks, I got some of that from another video of yours. I'm looking to farm a slight bubble or dome for the back of a 240z car. It's great some of the results you are getting. Some racers might be interested if you formed a vent in to the window, by adding mold shape on to the glass. Just a idea for you.

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  2 года назад +1

      @@DANTHETUBEMAN Great idea. I did that a couple of months ago. hahaha!

  • @78wesley
    @78wesley 5 лет назад +3

    bill well done on all this, question, during the heating process of lexan i’m thinking that maybe u should have a vent from the side of the over to realease any moisture which may steam in the oven slightly. i’m really loving these videos bill and the effort you’ve gone to and where all trying to give u ideas as we know how passionate u are 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  5 лет назад +3

      Development of a better DIY oven is now (thankfully), a task for someone else. I have made more than enough windows that I needed, have spares on the shelf, and am moving on to other jobs to finish my race car. I appreciate the suggestions - but by the time I upload my videos they are too late for me, and to be honest at times they can be a bit confusing and over whelming. LOng before that I try to do my research thoroughly in new areas, ask the expert professionals for advice to equip myself, & then just press on with determination. Glad you're liking the ride. There's also a part of me that says "Thank God I don't have to learn anymore about that task & can jump into the next task. Afterall - my goal is just to finish the bloody car & thrash it! Hahahaha!

  • @bt619x
    @bt619x 2 года назад

    An oven is the best thing to use. When I was doing plastics in school, we use a torch burning hydrogen/oxygen as it burns very clean and produces enough heat to get the Lexan hot. With a small tip it works great for putting a smooth clean edge on the cuts.

  • @4g63_Everything
    @4g63_Everything 3 года назад +1

    This is exactly the procedure what i had in mind.. You really did a good work there! thankyou for uploading this.! 👌🏼👌🏼

  • @VyantQuijt
    @VyantQuijt 3 года назад +1

    Hi Bill, have any advice for making a copy off of an acrilic original? I have a vintage motorcycle race fairing that has a cracked windshield. I was thinking of making a clay mold, or something along those lines.
    Thanks!

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  3 года назад +2

      If you have the original windshield tape it up on the outside, then turn it over, spray it with WD40, and fill it with plaster of Paris. You may have to extend the sides a little with tape to get the whole shape. After it is dry, clean up any rough edges with a rasp or 40grit sandpaper. That will give you your molding plug. I'd mix a LITTLE chopped strand fiberglass mat cut up to 25mm long into the plaster to stop it cracking in the oven. Put it on a brick to raise it up a bit, place your acrylic cut to about 50mm oversize on it, and heat form it. 155 degrees celcius for 20 minutes should do it. You micht be able to do it in your kitchen oven when the wife is out if it will fit, but don't go over 155 degrees celcius. PM me pics as you go.

    • @VyantQuijt
      @VyantQuijt 3 года назад +1

      @@BillsBuildandRace awesome! I'd already tought of plaster in the mean time (or gipsum from the local hobby store), but was trying to figure out how to cast it. With tape as you suggested I'll use it as a container, and I'll probably place it in sand to prevent it from deforming under the weight. I'll take pictures and maybe even film it and make a video for posterity.
      Glass fiber may be a bit tricky on short notice, but I'll ask for advice at the store.
      Thanks for your quick reply Bill! Ill keep you posted

  • @Chekosep10
    @Chekosep10 3 года назад +1

    Thank you sir, good job. You are the best!!

  • @hurricanealley8602
    @hurricanealley8602 5 лет назад +2

    Thanks from Texas, So many possibilities !

  • @maxwellharmon4172
    @maxwellharmon4172 5 лет назад +2

    THIS IS AWESOME!! First ever video on forming lean windows!!! Ive been waiting for you to make this one! thanks man!!

  • @rudster999
    @rudster999 4 года назад +1

    great video n tips mate !! what type of paint is suitable for making the black border on the finished product ?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  4 года назад +2

      I just used cheap black aerosol. Brush enamel would work too. Remember it's on the inside of the windows, so it's protected by the Lexan.

    • @rudster999
      @rudster999 4 года назад

      @@BillsBuildandRace thanks for that. i always thought it required special paint. whats the best chemical to use if you somehow ended up with a bit of a mess with the paint and you have to clean it up ?

  • @septianindrajati4298
    @septianindrajati4298 2 года назад

    Great glass enginering,but what about 5mm thickness?it will work as well as your procedures?
    and with 5mm it will looks more solid especially for windshield.

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  2 года назад

      Acrylic clear plastic is eighty times stronger than glass. Lexan (polycarbonate), is two hundred times stronger than glass. So 3mm is plenty thick enough as far as strength goes. Our Australian race rules require front plastic windscreens to be 6mm thick. Heat forming either 5 or 6mm clear plastic is beyond a home built oven, and a job for commercial plastics manufacturers with gigantic professional ovens. The whole point of fitting plastic windows to race cars is to save weight, and if you fitted 5mm clear plastic windows they would weigh the same as factory glass.... so why on earth would you do that?

    • @septianindrajati4298
      @septianindrajati4298 2 года назад

      @@BillsBuildandRace actually our project here is to build a replica car,our problem is mostly about the windshield or other window glass,using tempered glass are high on cost and difficult to find factory that are able to custom a tempered glass.so we decide to using polycarbonite 3mm, then problem come to see the result that many uneven surface which is visible from some side,and i think thicker polycarbonite will reduce the problem,so my question was, is it 5mm or even more can still proceed with your ways?

    • @septianindrajati4298
      @septianindrajati4298 2 года назад

      @@BillsBuildandRace we still consider about the weight but not that much.

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  2 года назад

      @@septianindrajati4298 Yes you can heat mold 5mm polycarbonate using the methods shown here. However polycarb needs to be PRE-BAKED to remove moisture from it to avoid blistering. You need to watch this ruclips.net/video/dgTlKkhK338/видео.html Note the pre-bake time is related directly to your sheet thickness. Windscreen wipers will scratch polycarb. I would use acrylic instead, which is much easier to work with and scratch resistant. The key to getting a good end result is having a good plug on which to mold the clear sheet when drape molding within an oven. You can use factory glass for this btw. I am getting the best results by heat forming the clear sheet, letting it cool overnight, then trimming it the next day.... THEN.... putting it BACK in the oven for a second bake on the plug. This gets rid of any minor edge waviness.

  • @stevenharpervw
    @stevenharpervw 5 лет назад +1

    Brilliant video as always. Hello from Ireland

  • @Curiosityfactz.
    @Curiosityfactz. 3 года назад

    Thank you , this is the best chanel I ever have seen :)

  • @RonnieGonzales520
    @RonnieGonzales520 5 лет назад +2

    They turned out great!! are you gonna be doing your door and quarter windows aswell?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  5 лет назад +1

      Already done because as they are only very slightly curved they didn't need molding. Fasteners achieved the shaping. All shown in my previous video on this same subject.

  • @Previalegend
    @Previalegend 2 года назад

    What if you put another factory glass on top of that Lexan, would thay help shape better?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  2 года назад

      Yes you could do that, but I don't think it would be very beneficial. Plus the UNDERSIDE of the factory glass would be in contact with the Lexan, meaning you'd have to remove demisting wire terminals and all window sealant.

  • @jdhart3759
    @jdhart3759 3 года назад +1

    I have a idea to do a fully tubular scratch build race car that looks something of a mix between the Ford GT race car and Honda takata dome NSX , which if anyone here plays gran turismo 4 still the nsx is a very easy car to use for certain tracks do to the light weight and good cornering

  • @matthemberry
    @matthemberry 4 года назад +1

    I wonder if some of that moisture came off of the glass. Did you pre-dry the factory glass?

  • @MontanaMetal
    @MontanaMetal 5 лет назад +1

    Bill can the discoloration on the polycarbonate be avoided?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  5 лет назад +2

      If you mean the water vapour crazing, I covered this in detail in my previous video on this subject - it's cause and how to address it. Experience has shown me that it can be minimized - but not entirely avoided by the amateur fabricator. It appears the slightest heat spot in your oven can cause it - even after pre-drying & cooling. A more exotic and even oven would probably avoid it.

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  5 лет назад +1

      @@melissahill7930 I already have a large electric fan under the burners.

    • @gregpetroski6333
      @gregpetroski6333 5 лет назад

      @@BillsBuildandRace I would be curious to see if the moisture is from burning the propane or whatever fuel you're using. Burning fuel produces water and CO2. And it'll be hot vapour when when it's near the polycarbonate making drying it out really difficult. Not really something you can fix with your current setup. Just a thought if you're ever making a new oven.

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  5 лет назад

      @@gregpetroski6333 Do you understand the hygroscopic nature of both acrylic & polycarbonate sheeting?. I won't be making another oven. I have now molded all the rear windows I need to in both materials, have spares on the shelf, & am moving on to other jobs to complete my race car.

  • @jonnymiskatonic
    @jonnymiskatonic 5 лет назад +1

    What was the wait time between drying and molding?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  5 лет назад +4

      If I told you that I'd have to kill you! Hahahaha! It takes about half an hour for the sheet to fully cool down out of the oven after pre-drying. I did one after that, and another I left in the (turned off) oven overnight. You cannot leave it much longer than 24 hours because it starts to suck up moisture again straight away.

  • @HerrFrankenstein
    @HerrFrankenstein 2 года назад

    Great Video... Thanks

  • @haraldharms9588
    @haraldharms9588 4 года назад +1

    You have to dry the moisture out of the plexiglass first at 120 to avoid the bubbling.

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  4 года назад +1

      Yes I covered all of that in my first video on this subject.

  • @brettdrive7690
    @brettdrive7690 4 года назад

    Can a Car bonnet be made out of Acrylic. Want to build a concept type car for a motorsports show.

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  4 года назад

      Yes that could be done - but you'd need an oven big enough to fit your bonnet into... and that's not gonna be easy to find. Probably have to make your own oven from a throw out gas bbq like I showed how to do in this video. Draping it over the bonnet in the oven would be the way I'd do it. You might have to "precook" the bonnet the day before to avoid discolouration from paint smoke from the duco. ruclips.net/video/b3DESDFTmUg/видео.html

  • @lancetyler3872
    @lancetyler3872 2 года назад

    I want to hear up some lexan and when it get hot enough i want to lay it over a form i made to make new windows for my bass boat how hot do i need to get the lexan before i lay it over my form

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  2 года назад

      155 degrees celsius / 315 degree fahrenheit You MUST pre-bake Lexan! ruclips.net/video/dgTlKkhK338/видео.html

    • @lancetyler3872
      @lancetyler3872 2 года назад

      @@BillsBuildandRace bill im going to make a plywood box and put above a propane heater how long do i preheat lexan and what temp the pieces of tinted lexan will be 3/16 thick 24in x32in

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  2 года назад

      @@lancetyler3872 PM me. Facebook messenger links are on this channel's home page. Send me a pic of your die/plug.

  • @MickeyMishra
    @MickeyMishra 3 года назад

    I like to make one for a Power Wheels . I got the suggestion from a four-year-old some wondering how to go ahead and do it/ there's no window for me to take them old so just an open space but I think I'll figure something out

  • @givejamesacall
    @givejamesacall 4 года назад

    Damn i wish i had your skills or was your apprentice so could learn them

  • @kollederboss1594
    @kollederboss1594 5 лет назад

    Amazing channel

  • @Micington
    @Micington 3 года назад

    Whereabouts in Australia are ya mate?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  3 года назад +1

      Near Stroud, NSW - an hour north of Newcastle.

    • @Micington
      @Micington 3 года назад

      Bummer I’m in Brisbane. I really appreciate the effort you make with your videos. I’m glad I stumbled on your channel! Thanks!

    • @Micington
      @Micington 3 года назад

      I want to make some curved acrylic windows for my boat. I was interested to make a bbq cooker like yours but maybe a little higher so I can fit the mould in the oven to make it like how you did. Can you put a fibreglass mould in the oven? With acrylic on top? Your test on the glass window in the cooker looked like it turned out really good. I don’t want any bumps. Any suggestions?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  3 года назад +1

      @@Micington Build your oven, then do a test putting a piece of scrap fiberglass in the oven @ 155 degrees and see if it burns. If not, then yes you can drape mold in the oven. If it is worried or damaged by the heat then you will need to drape mold OUTSIDE the oven to use a fiberglass plug, and remember that is an accepted industry method. You just gotta have your plug right next the the oven so you can whip the softened acrylic straight out onto it.

    • @Micington
      @Micington 3 года назад

      @@BillsBuildandRace thanks mate. I’ll put it on RUclips too

  • @LS1280zx
    @LS1280zx 5 лет назад

    Can you do a windscreen for my 280zx? How long do you need?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  5 лет назад +2

      Sorry I can't. CAMS requires Lexan windscreens to be 6mm thick, and bending that is a job for a plastics forming specialist. The weight gain is really minimal cf. factory glass, so that's really all you need.

  • @LaggyWizard
    @LaggyWizard 5 лет назад

    amazing, simply amazing thank you

  • @oldlyswansea
    @oldlyswansea 3 года назад

    brother I have to know would a car with this installed be road legal in the UK ::: I'm asking for a friend

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  3 года назад

      How would someone in Australia know what the road car requirements are in the UK? You'll have to ask your authorities or Google their rules.

  • @serchmarc
    @serchmarc 3 года назад

    the white spots can be buffed?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  3 года назад

      No - but easily hidden under a sticker.

    • @serchmarc
      @serchmarc 3 года назад

      @@BillsBuildandRace is it possible to bake the lexan without those white spots?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  3 года назад

      @@serchmarcLexan is MUCH harder to heat form in a home built oven than Acrylic. A contact in the commercial plastics forming industry said that is true even at his huge factory. The white spots are caused by moisture WITHIN the sheet. Both acrylic & Lexan are hygroscopic = " attracting and holding water molecules via either absorption or adsorption from the surrounding environment." In other words they suck it out of the air whilst sitting on the shelf. But Lexan is much more prone to this than acrylic sheet, which is why it must be pre-baked to remove it. But there's no guarantee you will get ALL of the moisture out by pre-baking, only MOST of it. So there remains the risk of getting those white bubbles, but to a much less degree than if you do not pre-bake it. So whenever I'm heat forming Lexan for a mate I always warn them I cannot guarantee there won't be a few bubbles. Sometimes they get lucky - sometimes not. I just take every job on a case by case basis.

    • @serchmarc
      @serchmarc 3 года назад

      @@BillsBuildandRace well explained my friend,, well i will give a shot or try otherlight material until i get a glass mirror similar or at least a material than can be sand and polish,, i understand about the hygroscopic moisture but i hope i can find a clean material and put it on my car,, of course some people told me that will fog in the future but they told me that about acrylic not lexan..thanks :)

  • @Micington
    @Micington 3 года назад

    Legend

  • @rx7cl
    @rx7cl 4 года назад

    Can the haze be buffed out..or rebaked?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  4 года назад +1

      Unfortunately not.

    • @rx7cl
      @rx7cl 4 года назад

      @@BillsBuildandRace hey,nice to here from you.saw your video and wanted to try and do some windows for my 80 Rx7 Savannah.. and thank you..

  • @PatHaskell
    @PatHaskell 2 года назад

    Why not cut the Lexan to size before heating?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  2 года назад +1

      Great question Pat. Let's see if I can give a good answer. Like you, I thought about doing that, but decided not to for three reasons. 1) Because doing so demands you position the fully trimmed Lexan EXACTLY over the windscreen you are drape molding. You can't stick it in precise place because any tape would ignite & cause problem in the oven. It is just far too easy to look at the Lexan sitting on your glass, & THINK it's exactly positioned, only to discover when you pull it out that it was a bit off on one corner. 2) I found (as you can clearly see in this video), that I got great molding where my oversized Lexan drooped down into a vertical position over the edge of my glass windscreen. This not only gave me perfect shaping on the curves of my copy, it also effectively locked the Lexan over the whole windscreen. This prevents springback as the heated Lexan cools down from heating, further guaranteeing a perfect copy, 3) It is just so easy to trim it down from oversize after it is molded, so why not? I didn't find a single down side to cutting my Lexan over size, and settled on around 50mm, give or take and without trying to parallel the glasses outer edge. If I cut the Lexan bigger than that it started making it awkward to fit it into my oven. I have one large hatchback glass I now manufacture which only JUST fits in my oven, and I have to bend the Lexan a little to be able to slide it into the oven with a slight curve. This however is no problem, as the Lexan just drops itself right down onto the glass as soon as it begins to soften @ 150 celcius. Yeah - great question.

  • @saby8765
    @saby8765 3 года назад

    Awesome!

  • @HardKnocks160s
    @HardKnocks160s 3 года назад

    Hey buddy am I able to message u on a lexan windshield?

  • @marianomaimone8870
    @marianomaimone8870 4 года назад

    Can you please tell me the with of the plastic?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  4 года назад

      Do you mean the standard full sheet size? Most commonly they are 1.2 x 2.4m.

  • @gurjindersingh199
    @gurjindersingh199 4 года назад

    Amazing

  • @shanefogelsanger7542
    @shanefogelsanger7542 2 года назад

    What's a Celcius?

  • @edwinrivera9408
    @edwinrivera9408 4 года назад

    Hey you sale the Windows

  • @RemoteChicken12
    @RemoteChicken12 4 года назад

    How hot was the oven set to?

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  4 года назад

      Those details are covered in my previous guide ruclips.net/video/dgTlKkhK338/видео.html

  • @Coloradoaudits
    @Coloradoaudits 2 года назад

    What if I was in the states

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  2 года назад

      I'm not sure what exactly you are asking.

    • @Coloradoaudits
      @Coloradoaudits 2 года назад

      @@BillsBuildandRace if I was to send you glass

    • @Coloradoaudits
      @Coloradoaudits 2 года назад

      What would you charge

    • @BillsBuildandRace
      @BillsBuildandRace  2 года назад

      @@Coloradoaudits By the time we did that with the costs of international freight on a very bulky, fragile package, you could buy a small car instead! Simply not practical. Way easier to make your own oven and DIY, even if you have a few failures initially it would still be way quicker & cheaper. ruclips.net/video/b3DESDFTmUg/видео.html