A lot of semantics here. What she explains of spirituality is what religion was once was....but over time it got diluted and the essence was "lost". Now, most religions are rituals, dogmas, and tenets to follow. She says spirituality, as defined by psychology, is the connection to something bigger...but that's exactly what religion means...RELIGARE, relier in french...to make a connection. Hence the meaning behind communion in Catholicism or Surrendering in Islam.
karl drogba Spirituality is our existence, both religion and psychology come from spirituality by way of mankind. Spirituality like the other two is just a word, but it stands for something greater that has no human boundaries only nature itself.
@@spirgtudsrubec7776 We ought to stop being vague. Give people precise exercises and techniques that can help them step by step see for themselves what gnosis is about. How to breathe better, calm the nervous system, increase concentration and sensory clarity, increase awareness and investigate the "self" and the nature of reality. In the east, they use the word Darshan, which means: SEEING.
I find it interesting that this series wished to comment on religion vs. spirituality without a religious panelist. Although Alex did almost touch on it when he mentioned community, a main practical difference lies in one's conduct and treatment of one's fellow man. Being spiritual is easy; being religious is hard, because all that dogma and all those tenets usually have to do with one's responsibilities to others. If you have a code, you are compelled to stick to it as best you can- and you'll be held accountable, if not right now, then eventually. Spirituality is an attempt to gain some of the benefit of religion without doing the heavy lifting.
“Conduct and treatment of ones fellow man” I guess this code stands unless someone’s gay, or Muslim, or doesn’t believe the same exact spiritual truth as you do right? Then it’s “burn em to the ground”. “They’re going straight to hell”. Religion is an exclusive indoctrination of what spirituality was truly meant to be, which is love of others and love of self. That’s all Jesus of Nazareth was trying to teach. It’s like a fraternity at a college, although everyone is there to obtain the same education on the same campus by the same faculty that every other student is attending, the fraternity creates division & thinks that their fraternity is the right way to go, then becomes unaccepting of outsiders because their raging testosterone & “brotherhood” overshadows logic and community, especially to rival frats, (unless it’s a female who can benefit them in the ways that they want because “as long as it benefits me and what I want”). in the case of organized religion during the Middle Ages it was “believe what I say or I’ll kill you burn your village and take all of your riches to decorate the Vatican because I have a whole army of brothers behind me and you can’t even read”, it was literally a gang who took what they wanted killed who they wanted and did what they wanted with no repercussions. Organized religions (the Catholic Church specifically) actions throughout ALL OF HISTORY have been fueled the lust for power, plunder & control, and never what’s right and wrong. So the Catholic Church was worried about the conduct and treatment of fellow man during the Spanish Inquisition? I guess they were real concerned about their souls being held accountable when they were shoving wood blocks under peoples fingernails and quartering people by horse because they didn’t believe in the catholic faith? I believe in Jesus & his message, but what I don’t believe is that humans would ever hesitate to manipulate scripture, doctrine & people to strike fear and maintain absolute control. Why do you think the worlds leading “government” was the Roman Catholic Church for about a thousand years? I guess it’s “love thy neighbor as yourself.... unless they’re different then you, then don’t love them. convince them of what you believe in or kill them”. I’m not religious & I believe that I have a soul that will carry on after my carbon body has deteriorated but that doesn’t mean I’m an immoral or lazy person because I don’t practice ceremony and tradition that was created by a corrupt & frankly quite evil organization. I hold fast to my principals and morals which are love, honesty, absolution, & good will, no matter who or what their sins. & I would never ever ever in a million years even have the thought go across my mind to prosecute someone who’s different from me, even if they’ve done things that would warrant ill feelings. I LOVE EVERYONE. I feel that my soul is safe because my intentions are pure and live through my morals. I’m not perfect & I faulter but my intentions are pure for EVERY living soul on this planet. Not just the ones who agree with me. I pray for the souls of all of the damned. “Forgive them father for they know not what they do” but the Roman Catholic Church did exactly what the Jews did to Jesus of Nazareth, not once or twice but for centuries, all over the world to anyone who didn’t comply with the wishes of the church. So if you’re so concerned with the conduct and treatment of your fellow man then you should take a look at the hypocritical establishments that you’re speaking on behalf of, while you speak down on others who find their spiritual truth and peace on their own accord, if you’re concerned with the treatment of fellow man, then you should be at peace when fellow man finds peace in their own life, but organized religion doesn’t want peace for fellow man, it wants absolute control. There’s no right or wrong way to be a good person/soul, it’s just about being a good person and soul. The fact that you can so easily speak on what others are doing & why they do it makes it very clear that you’ve never taken a step back and took a look at your transcretions. God lives through us all, we’re one collective consciousness, we’re all one people. Why would I ever want to follow the ceremonies of a corrupt & probably the most genocidal institution in history who’s responsible for the death of MILLIONS? Just to say I’m a part of something? God filled me with the Holy Spirit when I was 19 years old and living on the streets through my own trials and tribulations, & not once when I spent 15 years in a church. I realized that I’m already part of something bigger, and the role I’m supposed to play in this big grand scheme of things is love. I’m not knocking people who are religious by any means, if someone has found peace and did so without sitting on a pedestal casting condemnation then peace be with you🙏, I’m speaking on the MAN MADE institution that people follow so blindly & fuels the fire in people’s hearts to fear & hate anything that rivals the institution and their beliefs. You’re knocking people who have a relationship with god outside of a place of communion. I understand the importance of communion, community & coming together to raise our prayers to the heavens, but not when the foundation of the community itself is flawed. & by the way I grew up in churches, my grandma was a devout Catholic (only spent a little time in a Catholic church) & I spent most of my childhood & teen years in a Calvary Chapel, (which is a great non-denominational church for anyone looking to celebrate god his good will and this beautiful life TOGETHER without fire and brimstone being cast onto those who are different) but I didn’t find god until I had my own spiritual experience, we all understand things in different ways, plz do your best to understand your fellow brothers and sisters instead of condemning them. Peace be with you.
“Do not seek to follow the footsteps of the wise, seek what they sought” -Matsuo Basho meaning you should seek your own sense of spiritual connection & apply it, instead of going through the motions of following sacraments because someone said to you that thats how you find god. Did Moses have these sacraments in place when he spoke with God? No because the burning bush predates the Roman Catholic Church. Moses was spiritual & not religious. Man is who created sacrament as symbolism, but that doesn’t mean that you can’t have a relationship with god outside of sacrament.
Religion is spawned from people in places of power, who's aim is to control. Spirituality is from the source which is what everything in existence is. Religion is a manipulated version of Spirituality.
@@spirgtudsrubec7776 That’s a (sadly) common but quite superficial and unstudied conception of religion, which also conflates religion itself with the organization of it. The first few centuries of Christianity, for example, were notable for a lack of conventional notions of power. It’s power rises from something else, that still exists if one strips away the concrete manifestations of it. Which is also why religion will always exist, no matter how hard certain entities try to squash it.
@@684darian You also have conflated religion with religious organizations. If you’re a follower of Jesus, then you have what you need to know. But not everyone can walk in His footsteps without assistance. Some need guidance, and that’s where churches can help. It seems you’re the one being judgmental, my friend. Not everyone is as enlightened as you are.
Everybody has a God that they serve . If it be spiritualism or creation or the creator . Everybody has also sinned . Jesus Christ took that sin upon himself for you . Made it possible for you to have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father but by me. That separates him from every thing else.
@@tomasdiaz4892 freedom of choice is also given . And will be honored but true freedom comes in knowing the creator of the universe . Every knee shall bow to Jesus the savior of who will set you free from the punishment of sin. If God does not exist I lose nothing but have peace within but if God does exist and you refuse to ask his forgiveness you lose everything . For what temporary pleasure that just don’t last long always searching for fulfillment . Think about it if you say you have no sin you are a liar .
A lot of semantics here. What she explains of spirituality is what religion was once was....but over time it got diluted and the essence was "lost". Now, most religions are rituals, dogmas, and tenets to follow. She says spirituality, as defined by psychology, is the connection to something bigger...but that's exactly what religion means...RELIGARE, relier in french...to make a connection. Hence the meaning behind communion in Catholicism or Surrendering in Islam.
karl drogba Spirituality is our existence, both religion and psychology come from spirituality by way of mankind. Spirituality like the other two is just a word, but it stands for something greater that has no human boundaries only nature itself.
@@spirgtudsrubec7776 We ought to stop being vague. Give people precise exercises and techniques that can help them step by step see for themselves what gnosis is about. How to breathe better, calm the nervous system, increase concentration and sensory clarity, increase awareness and investigate the "self" and the nature of reality. In the east, they use the word Darshan, which means: SEEING.
Religiosity is when a man’s reach fails to exceed his grasp. Amen
spirituality AND religion
I find it interesting that this series wished to comment on religion vs. spirituality without a religious panelist. Although Alex did almost touch on it when he mentioned community, a main practical difference lies in one's conduct and treatment of one's fellow man. Being spiritual is easy; being religious is hard, because all that dogma and all those tenets usually have to do with one's responsibilities to others. If you have a code, you are compelled to stick to it as best you can- and you'll be held accountable, if not right now, then eventually. Spirituality is an attempt to gain some of the benefit of religion without doing the heavy lifting.
“Conduct and treatment of ones fellow man” I guess this code stands unless someone’s gay, or Muslim, or doesn’t believe the same exact spiritual truth as you do right? Then it’s “burn em to the ground”. “They’re going straight to hell”. Religion is an exclusive indoctrination of what spirituality was truly meant to be, which is love of others and love of self. That’s all Jesus of Nazareth was trying to teach. It’s like a fraternity at a college, although everyone is there to obtain the same education on the same campus by the same faculty that every other student is attending, the fraternity creates division & thinks that their fraternity is the right way to go, then becomes unaccepting of outsiders because their raging testosterone & “brotherhood” overshadows logic and community, especially to rival frats, (unless it’s a female who can benefit them in the ways that they want because “as long as it benefits me and what I want”). in the case of organized religion during the Middle Ages it was “believe what I say or I’ll kill you burn your village and take all of your riches to decorate the Vatican because I have a whole army of brothers behind me and you can’t even read”, it was literally a gang who took what they wanted killed who they wanted and did what they wanted with no repercussions. Organized religions (the Catholic Church specifically) actions throughout ALL OF HISTORY have been fueled the lust for power, plunder & control, and never what’s right and wrong. So the Catholic Church was worried about the conduct and treatment of fellow man during the Spanish Inquisition? I guess they were real concerned about their souls being held accountable when they were shoving wood blocks under peoples fingernails and quartering people by horse because they didn’t believe in the catholic faith? I believe in Jesus & his message, but what I don’t believe is that humans would ever hesitate to manipulate scripture, doctrine & people to strike fear and maintain absolute control. Why do you think the worlds leading “government” was the Roman Catholic Church for about a thousand years? I guess it’s “love thy neighbor as yourself.... unless they’re different then you, then don’t love them. convince them of what you believe in or kill them”. I’m not religious & I believe that I have a soul that will carry on after my carbon body has deteriorated but that doesn’t mean I’m an immoral or lazy person because I don’t practice ceremony and tradition that was created by a corrupt & frankly quite evil organization. I hold fast to my principals and morals which are love, honesty, absolution, & good will, no matter who or what their sins. & I would never ever ever in a million years even have the thought go across my mind to prosecute someone who’s different from me, even if they’ve done things that would warrant ill feelings. I LOVE EVERYONE. I feel that my soul is safe because my intentions are pure and live through my morals. I’m not perfect & I faulter but my intentions are pure for EVERY living soul on this planet. Not just the ones who agree with me. I pray for the souls of all of the damned. “Forgive them father for they know not what they do” but the Roman Catholic Church did exactly what the Jews did to Jesus of Nazareth, not once or twice but for centuries, all over the world to anyone who didn’t comply with the wishes of the church. So if you’re so concerned with the conduct and treatment of your fellow man then you should take a look at the hypocritical establishments that you’re speaking on behalf of, while you speak down on others who find their spiritual truth and peace on their own accord, if you’re concerned with the treatment of fellow man, then you should be at peace when fellow man finds peace in their own life, but organized religion doesn’t want peace for fellow man, it wants absolute control. There’s no right or wrong way to be a good person/soul, it’s just about being a good person and soul. The fact that you can so easily speak on what others are doing & why they do it makes it very clear that you’ve never taken a step back and took a look at your transcretions. God lives through us all, we’re one collective consciousness, we’re all one people. Why would I ever want to follow the ceremonies of a corrupt & probably the most genocidal institution in history who’s responsible for the death of MILLIONS? Just to say I’m a part of something? God filled me with the Holy Spirit when I was 19 years old and living on the streets through my own trials and tribulations, & not once when I spent 15 years in a church. I realized that I’m already part of something bigger, and the role I’m supposed to play in this big grand scheme of things is love. I’m not knocking people who are religious by any means, if someone has found peace and did so without sitting on a pedestal casting condemnation then peace be with you🙏, I’m speaking on the MAN MADE institution that people follow so blindly & fuels the fire in people’s hearts to fear & hate anything that rivals the institution and their beliefs. You’re knocking people who have a relationship with god outside of a place of communion. I understand the importance of communion, community & coming together to raise our prayers to the heavens, but not when the foundation of the community itself is flawed. & by the way I grew up in churches, my grandma was a devout Catholic (only spent a little time in a Catholic church) & I spent most of my childhood & teen years in a Calvary Chapel, (which is a great non-denominational church for anyone looking to celebrate god his good will and this beautiful life TOGETHER without fire and brimstone being cast onto those who are different) but I didn’t find god until I had my own spiritual experience, we all understand things in different ways, plz do your best to understand your fellow brothers and sisters instead of condemning them. Peace be with you.
“Do not seek to follow the footsteps of the wise, seek what they sought” -Matsuo Basho meaning you should seek your own sense of spiritual connection & apply it, instead of going through the motions of following sacraments because someone said to you that thats how you find god. Did Moses have these sacraments in place when he spoke with God? No because the burning bush predates the Roman Catholic Church. Moses was spiritual & not religious. Man is who created sacrament as symbolism, but that doesn’t mean that you can’t have a relationship with god outside of sacrament.
Religion is spawned from people in places of power, who's aim is to control. Spirituality is from the source which is what everything in existence is. Religion is a manipulated version of Spirituality.
@@spirgtudsrubec7776 That’s a (sadly) common but quite superficial and unstudied conception of religion, which also conflates religion itself with the organization of it. The first few centuries of Christianity, for example, were notable for a lack of conventional notions of power. It’s power rises from something else, that still exists if one strips away the concrete manifestations of it. Which is also why religion will always exist, no matter how hard certain entities try to squash it.
@@684darian You also have conflated religion with religious organizations. If you’re a follower of Jesus, then you have what you need to know. But not everyone can walk in His footsteps without assistance. Some need guidance, and that’s where churches can help. It seems you’re the one being judgmental, my friend. Not everyone is as enlightened as you are.
I really see no difference between the two
Everybody has a God that they serve . If it be spiritualism or creation or the creator . Everybody has also sinned . Jesus Christ took that sin upon himself for you . Made it possible for you to have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father but by me. That separates him from every thing else.
that makes no sense
@@danilohorta3900 what don’t you understand
That is no truth. A lot of people has not God and they are totally ok with that mate
@@tomasdiaz4892 freedom of choice is also given . And will be honored but true freedom comes in knowing the creator of the universe . Every knee shall bow to Jesus the savior of who will set you free from the punishment of sin. If God does not exist I lose nothing but have peace within but if God does exist and you refuse to ask his forgiveness you lose everything . For what temporary pleasure that just don’t last long always searching for fulfillment . Think about it if you say you have no sin you are a liar .
@@gerard1954 funny christiann Churches speak about freedom when they are the one trying to control always the freedom and choices of people.