It's funny how people are all bent outta shape because he's driving slow. 1. It's a publicity run 2. It's kinda wet 3. Watkins Glen has almost no runoff so if you go off you're probably gonna hit something
+dcdude345 Yup. And it's also a $20M+ car and not his. Pretty sure they also detuned it a bit cause it's wet and it's a demo. Still damn cool though. Hell, imagine just one race, just for demo/kicks, where Nascars went from 358s down to 186 ci (3L) V10 F1 engines based on 2003-2005 designs. Imagine the sound inferno, holy hell. Don't even care if they got slower because of way less torque and probably 100-150 less hp as well. That sound was divine at Hockenheim in 2004.
Nice to see the collaboration between NASCAR and F1, I feel like the drivers of both have a massive respect for each other, just a shame that some F1 fans can be a bit ignorant to the skill of NASCAR drivers sometimes. (Coming from an F1 fan who hasn't watched a full NASCAR race btw)
Check out one race of each kind, NASCAR has small medium and large tracks. Talladega is legendary, Daytona as well, check out a bristol or Martinsville short track race and we do road courses too.
Jeff Gordon Trades Paint with Juan Pablo Montoya 2003 is awesome. This event was rains shortened. I watched it live, but for some reason can't find the entire event on YT.
on iracing Watkins Glen full course is a blast to drive in and would provide very amazing racing however I doubt the Glen is up to the safety standard f1 wants, it would be the fastest track on the f1 schedule and there is not much runoff
I know that comment is 11 years old, but that comment is complete bullshit. F1 has turned into follow the leader. F1 was great while Senna was racing and about 1/2 way into MS's career...then it went to shit. 7 out of 12 races (so far in 2024) have been won by MV...follow the money. There are more passes for the lead in one NASCAR race than there is in an entire F1 season.
Guys calm down, this was not a race or a comparison of drivers it was a friendly swap experience. it was raining when they started so lewis beat tonys time in tonys car and tony beat lewis time etc . They didn't care about that or swap from wets to slicks. Lewis had not even bothered to know how to turn the car on or check out the track design. Tony had raced the track before, it was fun and about comparison of car types not speed or drivers..
I love all of the "he is driving too slow ccomments". He is still going faster than any of ever would be able to. Id like to see him get back in an IndyCar, a real IndyCar not that crap IRL pig he drove in 97. But the new ones which are inching ever so slowly but getting closer to the glory days.
Yes he is going slow. But he could go faster if he wanted to. He is not using all the road intentionally. He's making sure he won't crash. It's wise on a track like this.
@@RaceActionNL It's also slightly wet, he's using a portion of the track he hasn't raced on as much before, this is one of his first times in an F1 car, this is a publicity run... multiple reasons he isn't going flat out.
Oh look, another NASCAR vs F1 fanwar. Both sides are being moronic. May I first say that although both series lack TCS/ASR, it's worse in terms of tire wear on the stockcar due to the higher torque that comes from the higher displacement and lower revs (around 685lb-ft for the stockcar compared to around 250 lb-ft of the F1 car of that era.), which would make wheelspin that much more of a problem (not to say that it isn't in F1. (I fucking swear, if anybody dare uses how high an engine can rev as an argument, I'm going to facepalm hard.) Both series also lack ABS. Still, it's fundamentally harder for the stock car to stop even before different aero forces and the tires are put into play simply because of the higher weight of the stock car. However, the difference in total grip (between mechanical and aero) between speeds for the stock car and the open-wheeler is much more drastic for the latter, mainly because of how very reliant the Formula 1 car is on aerodynamic grip in comparison to the stock car, which is also the main cause for the F1's wheelspin. Technology is really a moot point (admit it F1 fans, you're bitching about the current V6s). Yes, the idea of an OHV crossplane V8 dates back to decades, but even then nowadays in the stock car, this concept is hyperdeveloped (anybody who knows a thing about the two knows that 8700 RPM is a range outside of the norm for both top-end and bottom-end concepts even in racing). Revs are just a number for show anyways, and I could go on about the disadvantages for revving higher. Now the drivers, I'd say they're roughly equal. Put them in equal machinery that isn't a open-wheeler or a NASCAR-esque stock car, like a Daytona Prototype or a GT3 car and see how they fare. To say that one is better than the other when comparing them in machinery that one of the two would be used to is biased.
fair play to him just getting a f1 car around a track without spinning is pretty hard and considering hes used to nascar racing he did very well to be able to jump in that and not wipe out
+Godfather The rules dictate what the equipment equates to if that's what you mean. Now if you are talking driving talent...I would not be so quick to start that whole "F1 drivers are the greatest in the world" crap. It seems that on more than one occasion a driver competing in a USA motorsport series has drove an F1 car and been fast right out of the gate. Made it look easy....Jeff Gordon...Paul Tracy. Makes you wonder how fast they would be with countless hours of Euro style practice. Same goes for the whole horse racing thing as well.
+Todd Johnson f1 drivers are known all over the world, the only nascar drivers I knew were Kimi and Montoya only because they were f1 drivers as well hahaha honestly in my opinion nascar is crap I just can't watch it and tbh any North American dominated sports baseball, basketball, ice hockey and that game they call football but it's more like hand-egg. It just doesn't do it for me.
I actually agree. It would be an amazing track to drive by yourself, but to actually race on it would be a real pain. Not a lot of heavy braking zones so nowhere to really outbrake. And too many high speed corners makes following another car difficult.
Both drivers posted a faster lap time in eachother's cars at the end of the day and running on your own is substantially different than running with a bunch of other guys around you. Anyone can get in either car and after they get the feel for it can post fast laps left and right. But when you put them on the field with other competiters then the real challenge kicks in. NASCAR is about navigating through heavy traffic and car control. F1 is about driver endurance and in certain cases reflexes.
Cmon Peeps .. stop acting like Smoke never laid hands on a fast wheel before .. the only reason he was driving slow .. was safety ! partly wet track and a develish fast car at the Glen where theres armco barriers just about everywhere .. smoke wanted to live and he aint stupid thats all
Of course he wasn't driving as fast as he wanted to, the track was damp, an unfamiliar million dollar race car in front of friends and family no way he's taking a chance to look like a fool.
Agree. It is an awesome and proper track for F1, but the only problem is that the circuit is in the middle of nowhere in upstate western NY hence it offers very limited entertainment outside the circuit and doesn't have very modern accommodation facilities to today's F1 fans.
They could always update the paddock and add more seating. Also it is only a couple of hours outside of Buffalo. Suzuka is over 4 hours away from Tokyo and 2 hours away from Osaka. Really wish F1 will return here someday
Driving 2 1/2 hours each way from the Glen to Buffalo and vice versa is not something most people want to do on a 3-day event like Formula 1. Buffalo is not even an interesting city to be honest (they have the Niagara falls at least). Japan has a high density population, especially the region around Suzuka, so fans come from everywhere not just Tokyo or Osaka. Plus, Japan has a very extensive, affordable, fast and highly efficient rail network, so most people arrive and leave by train and buses and there are plenty of entertainment in and around the circuit as well as great hotels close by. The Glens is in the same situation that made Magny-cours circuit a commercial failure to host F1.
F1 raced at this track for around 20 years up until the 80's. But I agree it would be cool to see it return. Unfortunately, this track is probably considered too unsafe.
good to see nascar and f1 drivers getting along, I think the rivalry between the two is really just the fans talking shit. There is nothing like a nice day at the track hearing those beautiful V8's, and theres nothing like sitting down on a weekend and watching F1 (: I love both!!!
If you think he's pussing out you should look at Schumacher on the first day testing his new F1 car for the year. He starts off slow for at least 2 laps. This guy is doing well by not spinning, and if you have seen journalists and other such types driving F1 cars you'll know he's clearly doing infinitely better than the average driver (you). Despite what your imagination says, in wet conditions driving F1 for the first time you would bin it on the first corner.
Bruh, he has some sprint car experience, which is basically him, a fat man, boxed inside a small ass cockpit. He kinda has experience of being squeezed
How soon we forget folks........ Tony Stewart raced BOTH Sprint Cars AND Indy Cars (very similar to F1 Cars) before he was ever involved in NASCAR racing. In fact, in 1999 Tony Stewart raced in BOTH the Indianapolis 500 AND the Coca-Cola 600 on the same day, just hours apart. Five drivers have attempted to compete in both races in the same day; four drivers have started both races, but Tony Stewart remains the only driver to ever finish both races to this day.
Here's the thing, on ovals the nature of taking the turns is actually more precise because the turns are longer, in a hairpin turn if you miss the apex by a few feet odds are you'll only hold up the guy behind you. On an oval if you miss the apex (Martinsville is the exception to this rule) then another guy will pass you because that's how passing is done on ovals, from the center off under acceleration.
I always laugh when Nascar guys (Gordon, JJ, Tony Stewart) get out of F1 cars and they're grinning from ear to ear and can't stop smiling. Then the F1 drivers get out of a Nascar and politely say, "oh, that was, um...fun."
Be careful with the sarcasm. There's a LONG list of F1 drivers, race winners, and champions who not only failed in NASCAR (including the road courses), but have also lost to NASCAR drivers in other disciplines.
@@jasonwiggins6137 where's the sarcasm? And when has a Nascar driver ever even made it to the lower ladder of the Formula 1 series (Formula 3)? I know of a number of former F1 drivers who could no longer hack it in F1, who then went to Nascar and won, but I know of no Nascar driver who's been able to make it in Formula 1. Even 7x Nascar champ, Jimmie Johnson, is languishing in the back of IndyCar races. When Jeff Gordon tested JPM's Williams a number of years ago, Frank Williams told him he would need to start out at F3 and move to Formula 2 before he could get acclimated to the extreme speeds of Formula 1.
@@mattadorno6452 they're completely uninterested in Nascar. If they were, they'd do the DTM (German Touring Car) series, which is closed roof cars that are similar in nature to Nascar, but only drive proper road course racing circuits. If F1 drivers view IndyCar as a lower racing series, which it clearly is, than they view Nascar as much lower than IndyCar.
@@bkeen7013 You'll have to do better than that. No NASCAR driver has ever showed interest in F1. Very few Americans ever have. There's F1, and then there's American motorsports. American drivers make just as much money, most of the time more, than F1 drivers. Why uproot your life, move overseas and take the risk? Only Hamilton made more money than Jr., Gordon, and Johnson in recent years. In the 90's, only Schumacher made more than Earnhardt Sr. There's no incentive. You're also wrong about Gordon. Jeff was to run two years in CART for Team Green then make the leap straight to F1. CART was a feeder series to F1 bypassing the European series'. Ever heard of Montoya and Jaques Villeneuve? Even American open wheel drivers choose to stay in the U.S. rather than travel overseas. A.J. Foyt said he wasn't the type to wear a three piece suit for breakfast and then change into a drivers uniform to race shortly thereafter. Al Unser Jr. never put any serious thought into it, even though there was interested F1 parties. Jimmy Vasser was another. Jackie Stewart saw Gordon's ability at a young age, but he couldn't compete with the money offered from Ford. Speaking of Stewart, go watch the early years of the IROC series where Pearson and Allison are racing door to door, and often beating F1 drivers on road courses in Porsche race cars. Check out Carl Edwards embarrass Schumacher and TV hosts when he beat him on an indoor road course. Let's travel back in time when current F1 drivers would make failed attempts to qualify, and race in NASCAR in the 60's and 70's. How about NASCAR drivers winning the 12hrs of Sebring and the 24hrs of Daytona with F1 drivers in the field on multiple occasions and in multiple series'. Here's the funniest issue, F1 fans disagree with F1 drivers on NASCAR drivers skills. It's hilarious. Juan and Kimi have put it brilliantly! I'm a fan of both. There's two types of drivers. One who excels in one discipline, and one who excels in all disciplines. Anyone who claims that a NASCAR driver couldn't succeed in F1, doesn't have the data or F1 drivers opinions on their side.
Man ... I can't imagine driving one of those gorgeous beasts. I get scared just watching them do it on the TV. Good job Mr. Stewart. I'd be going around that track at about 3mph.
I just have to say that with the talent of Stewart, Gordon, and Johnson, I would love to see them compete in F1. It's too bad that the US F1 team fell through. There is a great pool of talent in the US, but a majority of drivers here go into stock car racing instead of open wheel racing.
they were talking specifically about Watkins Glen because if you notice, the kerbs are higher than most kerbs on the modern F1 circuits. so technically speaking, they have to stay off THOSE kerbs, not all of them
They've sterilized F1 to the point where there isn't enough room to expand the track sides for safety. Plus, Watkin's Glen guard rails are so dangerous they would kill every driver who touched them.
They were using wet tires on a wet tune.the track wasn't very wet but was just like a drop of water then eat tune is a dry tune running intermediate tires or softs
If Tony Stewart went to F1 in 1999 instead of NASCAR, he would be a World Champion, without a doubt. Tony is the kind of guy that wins no matter what he drives.
It depends on the driver's experience. With enough practice and finding the right time to slow down and speed. You also need to be familiar with what you're driving.
And it was a damp track. What people don't realize is there is a MASSIVE difference between an F1 car and Stock Car, and even though T.S. has a lot of experience in open-wheel, that was nearly a decade ago. You can't expect any driver to hop in to an F1 car and just BAM! Instant records!!! It's just silly. T.S. did a great job with the car, and I'm envious.
"That guy" is Steve Matchett...former Benetton mechanic and author who is the color commentator on the American TV F1 broadcasts. Maybe he could be forgiven for saying "we."
That does not change the fact that Tony was racing on wet tires, a semi-wet track, and that it was his first time. Laps on a wet track are generally speaking 80% of what laps on a dry track are.
Considering that the tires were wet and the track wasn't completely dry and that it was his first time Tony did a very respectable job and so did Lewis.
yeah. It would be pretty cool to have f1 back at the glen. I live a couple hours away from there so it would be pretty cool to go to my first race there..
If F1 was rule free, the engineers would create cars that could take corners so fast, they would generate way more g-forces than the human body can tolerate. You would need computers to drive them.
robsteries F1 is already a pretty bad case of "follow the leader" if you remove regulations it would only get worse. Who the hell wants to see some guy with the most money win every single race? That's not even a sport.
All good my man! The thing with NASCAR is that its popularity in the US varies depending on the region of the US. I try to get into "soccer" every four years during the Cup but...well. I do greatly respect the sport and its fans though. My father is a HUGE soccer fan..Devils of the German Bundesliega (spelling)! I want to visit that F1 track in Germany so bad! Silverstone up your way looks awesome too!
They're actually not easy to drive. They have so much torque that is really hard to drive fast out of turns without oversteer. Right here Tony is probably 5-7 seconds off Lewis's pace per lap.
You are totally correct, i understand the flack that Nascar gets for the ovals but many don't know the fact that Nascar races on proper race tracks to. Montreal , Road America and Watkins Glen and i have to say, it look spretty fun with those cars !
Tony is a very competant road racer along with all the other 12 drivers currently in The Chase for the Sprint Cup, there's also 13 other drivers that are very competant on road courses that are currently outside the top 12 in points.
The twSeat Swaps were incredibly cool. Gives both drivers a chance to show their true pedigee in totall different equipment. Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart were the right choices,I consider them to be two of that seres' most accomplished. Montoya (in a sign of things to come) and Hamilton were the right F1 choices, they both have the flamboyancy at the wheel and the ability to wrestle a car that a stock car needs.
F1 is about the team as a whole, every part of the team needs to be top notch to win. Not just the driver. If the engineers aren't competitive then the car won't be and the driver won't be. But if the engineers are but the driver isn't. Then you still lose out. F1 just requires competition in every aspect, instead of just the driver.
Ferrari had the fastet naturally-aspirated engine for the 1980 season. It was a 3 litre V12 which developed around 515 bhp@12300 rpm, while Hamilton's 2008 2.4 litre Mercedes V8 develops around 750 bhp@19000rpm. It is a huge difference in power, but i bet you thought it was the other way round
That's too bad. I actually watched the IndyCar race in Toronto. Pretty exciting stuff. Different than F1 yes, but cool nonetheless. The schedule rarely competes with F1 so I can watch both.
The newer cars are so light that they don't need that kind of horsepower from a V6 to go faster than the 80s cars. But I agree with you they were impressive cars.
it's a regulation set up by the FIA now that private testing of cars is banned, they can only run their F1 cars at the FIA testing sessions, where all the teams show up to. The exception is that if the car is 3 or more years older they can run it whenever and wherever they want
Costs more than that develop, especially teams that develop both the engine & car, like Renault (currently Lotus) still spends €120M/y on just engine dev, and according to the teams that price is going to triple with the Turbo motors. That figure you pointed out is probably more like what HRT or Marussia spends because the Cosworth motors are significantly cheaper, and it does cost about $7 to build a Formula 1 car in just parts. And it's spelled EXPENSIVE. Expansive means covering a wide area.
It's funny how people are all bent outta shape because he's driving slow.
1. It's a publicity run
2. It's kinda wet
3. Watkins Glen has almost no runoff so if you go off you're probably gonna hit something
+dcdude345 Yup. And it's also a $20M+ car and not his. Pretty sure they also detuned it a bit cause it's wet and it's a demo.
Still damn cool though. Hell, imagine just one race, just for demo/kicks, where Nascars went from 358s down to 186 ci (3L) V10 F1 engines based on 2003-2005 designs. Imagine the sound inferno, holy hell. Don't even care if they got slower because of way less torque and probably 100-150 less hp as well. That sound was divine at Hockenheim in 2004.
1. He's a nascar driver
2. The track turns in other directions than left. That direction is called right
Foreverwotlk they literally run this track on the NASCAR schedule
SirWalrusCauliflower, they run the short course. They don’t run the boot, but that could change in the near future.
Americans cannot drive compared to the Europeans and the Latin Americans. They get their asses kicked in Indy/Cart.
Nice to see the collaboration between NASCAR and F1, I feel like the drivers of both have a massive respect for each other, just a shame that some F1 fans can be a bit ignorant to the skill of NASCAR drivers sometimes. (Coming from an F1 fan who hasn't watched a full NASCAR race btw)
Check out one race of each kind, NASCAR has small medium and large tracks. Talladega is legendary, Daytona as well, check out a bristol or Martinsville short track race and we do road courses too.
Jeff Gordon Trades Paint with Juan Pablo Montoya 2003 is awesome. This event was rains shortened. I watched it live, but for some reason can't find the entire event on YT.
Take f1 back to the glen....
yes
+Ryan Wile agree 100%
Two words: Road. America.
i wouldn't mind seeing them race at Sonoma. that hairpin and the s turn
on iracing Watkins Glen full course is a blast to drive in and would provide very amazing racing
however I doubt the Glen is up to the safety standard f1 wants, it would be the fastest track on the f1 schedule and there is not much runoff
1:44 that sound right there - I love it!!!
you arent a true motor enthusiast unless you can appreciate both sports
Hello there after 10 years😅
@@Niclass_08hello there after 5 months
I'll do, even honestly, NASCAR time isn't ever friendly for me, except Night race because it's make me the Morning Glory
I know that comment is 11 years old, but that comment is complete bullshit. F1 has turned into follow the leader. F1 was great while Senna was racing and about 1/2 way into MS's career...then it went to shit. 7 out of 12 races (so far in 2024) have been won by MV...follow the money. There are more passes for the lead in one NASCAR race than there is in an entire F1 season.
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I bet he was smiling the hole time lol
shannon231291 I would simultaneously be shitting and jizzing my pants at the pure power of the car.
Tony did such a great job, considering it`s his first time driving an F1 racing car.
Guys calm down, this was not a race or a comparison of drivers it was a friendly swap experience. it was raining when they started so lewis beat tonys time in tonys car and tony beat lewis time etc . They didn't care about that or swap from wets to slicks. Lewis had not even bothered to know how to turn the car on or check out the track design. Tony had raced the track before, it was fun and about comparison of car types not speed or drivers..
I love all of the "he is driving too slow ccomments". He is still going faster than any of ever would be able to. Id like to see him get back in an IndyCar, a real IndyCar not that crap IRL pig he drove in 97. But the new ones which are inching ever so slowly but getting closer to the glory days.
he's going slow you tool
ragasdapper oh boy internet tough guy here!
Yes he is going slow. But he could go faster if he wanted to. He is not using all the road intentionally. He's making sure he won't crash. It's wise on a track like this.
@@RaceActionNL It's also slightly wet, he's using a portion of the track he hasn't raced on as much before, this is one of his first times in an F1 car, this is a publicity run... multiple reasons he isn't going flat out.
how they managed to fit stewart in a super tight f1 car is beyond me :D
miss the scream of the old engines.
V8s sounded good, V10s sounded like a squadron of dive bombers about melt your ears.
Bloody 'ell, F1 needs to go back to the Glen.
Oh look, another NASCAR vs F1 fanwar. Both sides are being moronic.
May I first say that although both series lack TCS/ASR, it's worse in terms of tire wear on the stockcar due to the higher torque that comes from the higher displacement and lower revs (around 685lb-ft for the stockcar compared to around 250 lb-ft of the F1 car of that era.), which would make wheelspin that much more of a problem (not to say that it isn't in F1. (I fucking swear, if anybody dare uses how high an engine can rev as an argument, I'm going to facepalm hard.)
Both series also lack ABS. Still, it's fundamentally harder for the stock car to stop even before different aero forces and the tires are put into play simply because of the higher weight of the stock car.
However, the difference in total grip (between mechanical and aero) between speeds for the stock car and the open-wheeler is much more drastic for the latter, mainly because of how very reliant the Formula 1 car is on aerodynamic grip in comparison to the stock car, which is also the main cause for the F1's wheelspin.
Technology is really a moot point (admit it F1 fans, you're bitching about the current V6s). Yes, the idea of an OHV crossplane V8 dates back to decades, but even then nowadays in the stock car, this concept is hyperdeveloped (anybody who knows a thing about the two knows that 8700 RPM is a range outside of the norm for both top-end and bottom-end concepts even in racing). Revs are just a number for show anyways, and I could go on about the disadvantages for revving higher.
Now the drivers, I'd say they're roughly equal. Put them in equal machinery that isn't a open-wheeler or a NASCAR-esque stock car, like a Daytona Prototype or a GT3 car and see how they fare. To say that one is better than the other when comparing them in machinery that one of the two would be used to is biased.
You mind if I screenshot this?
Oh this comment did not age well...
Race lap record 1:22.4171 (Scott Dixon, Chip Ganassi Racing -No.9 Honda- Honda, 2017, IndyCar Series)
...as he comes to grips with this strange technology. LOL
fair play to him just getting a f1 car around a track without spinning is pretty hard and considering hes used to nascar racing he did very well to be able to jump in that and not wipe out
i think he's doing this in the wet and he is actually also an indycar champion
Let's be honest america, f1 is another level to nascar
No shit Sherlock
+Keith Garcia its godfather not Sherlock
+Godfather The rules dictate what the equipment equates to if that's what you mean. Now if you are talking driving talent...I would not be so quick to start that whole "F1 drivers are the greatest in the world" crap. It seems that on more than one occasion a driver competing in a USA motorsport series has drove an F1 car and been fast right out of the gate. Made it look easy....Jeff Gordon...Paul Tracy. Makes you wonder how fast they would be with countless hours of Euro style practice. Same goes for the whole horse racing thing as well.
+Todd Johnson f1 drivers are known all over the world, the only nascar drivers I knew were Kimi and Montoya only because they were f1 drivers as well hahaha honestly in my opinion nascar is crap I just can't watch it and tbh any North American dominated sports baseball, basketball, ice hockey and that game they call football but it's more like hand-egg. It just doesn't do it for me.
+Todd Johnson nascar's are great machines though I give you that but driving in a circle just doesn't do it for me.
I actually agree. It would be an amazing track to drive by yourself, but to actually race on it would be a real pain. Not a lot of heavy braking zones so nowhere to really outbrake. And too many high speed corners makes following another car difficult.
Both drivers posted a faster lap time in eachother's cars at the end of the day and running on your own is substantially different than running with a bunch of other guys around you. Anyone can get in either car and after they get the feel for it can post fast laps left and right. But when you put them on the field with other competiters then the real challenge kicks in. NASCAR is about navigating through heavy traffic and car control. F1 is about driver endurance and in certain cases reflexes.
his going pretty fast for a NASCAR driver.. f1 is another level of tickles down your spine from all the downforce
Tony is also an Indycar and Dirt Racing guy so he’s used to open wheeled racing as well.
He's not going to go full speed in a publicity run in a car that is not his. He knows how to drive lol.
Tony is an Indy champion lol
Liam McQuaid there’s a difference between open wheel’s suh as indy500 and formula1 though😂
I bet F1 drivers would run slow af too at an oval.
Cmon Peeps .. stop acting like Smoke never laid hands on a fast wheel before ..
the only reason he was driving slow .. was safety ! partly wet track and a develish fast car at the Glen where theres armco barriers just about everywhere .. smoke wanted to live and he aint stupid thats all
Of course he wasn't driving as fast as he wanted to, the track was damp, an unfamiliar million dollar race car in front of friends and family no way he's taking a chance to look like a fool.
Trivia: the f1 car has an Indycar camera that rotates round and round.
watkins glens is such a beautiful track. we should put in F1 calender!
They should bring F1 to this track! Having driven it I can say this is my favorite track!
Sean Neal On iracing offical f1 series they race this track and it is indeed better than most f1 races in real life today
Agree. It is an awesome and proper track for F1, but the only problem is that the circuit is in the middle of nowhere in upstate western NY hence it offers very limited entertainment outside the circuit and doesn't have very modern accommodation facilities to today's F1 fans.
They could always update the paddock and add more seating. Also it is only a couple of hours outside of Buffalo. Suzuka is over 4 hours away from Tokyo and 2 hours away from Osaka.
Really wish F1 will return here someday
Driving 2 1/2 hours each way from the Glen to Buffalo and vice versa is not something most people want to do on a 3-day event like Formula 1. Buffalo is not even an interesting city to be honest (they have the Niagara falls at least). Japan has a high density population, especially the region around Suzuka, so fans come from everywhere not just Tokyo or Osaka. Plus, Japan has a very extensive, affordable, fast and highly efficient rail network, so most people arrive and leave by train and buses and there are plenty of entertainment in and around the circuit as well as great hotels close by. The Glens is in the same situation that made Magny-cours circuit a commercial failure to host F1.
F1 raced at this track for around 20 years up until the 80's. But I agree it would be cool to see it return. Unfortunately, this track is probably considered too unsafe.
he is getting right up to speed! np silly commentator.. you dont know the true speed of an F1-car.. he is just turteling around!
good to see nascar and f1 drivers getting along, I think the rivalry between the two is really just the fans talking shit. There is nothing like a nice day at the track hearing those beautiful V8's, and theres nothing like sitting down on a weekend and watching F1 (:
I love both!!!
The MP4-23 was a stunner
If you think he's pussing out you should look at Schumacher on the first day testing his new F1 car for the year. He starts off slow for at least 2 laps. This guy is doing well by not spinning, and if you have seen journalists and other such types driving F1 cars you'll know he's clearly doing infinitely better than the average driver (you). Despite what your imagination says, in wet conditions driving F1 for the first time you would bin it on the first corner.
Im surprised Tony actually fit inside the Maclaren
Bruh, he has some sprint car experience, which is basically him, a fat man, boxed inside a small ass cockpit. He kinda has experience of being squeezed
How soon we forget folks........ Tony Stewart raced BOTH Sprint Cars AND Indy Cars (very similar to F1 Cars) before he was ever involved in NASCAR racing. In fact, in 1999 Tony Stewart raced in BOTH the Indianapolis 500 AND the Coca-Cola 600 on the same day, just hours apart. Five drivers have attempted to compete in both races in the same day; four drivers have started both races, but Tony Stewart remains the only driver to ever finish both races to this day.
The track is still somewhat wet and the tires are wet, yeah I think for a first time that is "just fine".
if Tony would of raced in F1 I guarantee he would of won a lot of races the man will win at anything he climbs in
Correction, There is no circles on the schedule. We do have Ovals, Rectangles, Triangles, Tri-Ovals though.
Here's the thing, on ovals the nature of taking the turns is actually more precise because the turns are longer, in a hairpin turn if you miss the apex by a few feet odds are you'll only hold up the guy behind you. On an oval if you miss the apex (Martinsville is the exception to this rule) then another guy will pass you because that's how passing is done on ovals, from the center off under acceleration.
Not a word about how he's doing. Announcers just love to hear their own voices.
nice one tony .your dream comes true..Driving a real european car!!!!
Haha Its not a indy racing car
What is a fake European car?
f1 needs to come back to watkins glen..
He's an extremely successfull road racer as well.
this is why i love stewart he can drive anything
I always laugh when Nascar guys (Gordon, JJ, Tony Stewart) get out of F1 cars and they're grinning from ear to ear and can't stop smiling. Then the F1 drivers get out of a Nascar and politely say, "oh, that was, um...fun."
Be careful with the sarcasm. There's a LONG list of F1 drivers, race winners, and champions who not only failed in NASCAR (including the road courses), but have also lost to NASCAR drivers in other disciplines.
The F1 guys need to go out on an oval and get in a pack of other cars to really get nascar.
@@jasonwiggins6137 where's the sarcasm? And when has a Nascar driver ever even made it to the lower ladder of the Formula 1 series (Formula 3)? I know of a number of former F1 drivers who could no longer hack it in F1, who then went to Nascar and won, but I know of no Nascar driver who's been able to make it in Formula 1. Even 7x Nascar champ, Jimmie Johnson, is languishing in the back of IndyCar races. When Jeff Gordon tested JPM's Williams a number of years ago, Frank Williams told him he would need to start out at F3 and move to Formula 2 before he could get acclimated to the extreme speeds of Formula 1.
@@mattadorno6452 they're completely uninterested in Nascar. If they were, they'd do the DTM (German Touring Car) series, which is closed roof cars that are similar in nature to Nascar, but only drive proper road course racing circuits. If F1 drivers view IndyCar as a lower racing series, which it clearly is, than they view Nascar as much lower than IndyCar.
@@bkeen7013 You'll have to do better than that. No NASCAR driver has ever showed interest in F1. Very few Americans ever have. There's F1, and then there's American motorsports. American drivers make just as much money, most of the time more, than F1 drivers. Why uproot your life, move overseas and take the risk? Only Hamilton made more money than Jr., Gordon, and Johnson in recent years. In the 90's, only Schumacher made more than Earnhardt Sr. There's no incentive. You're also wrong about Gordon. Jeff was to run two years in CART for Team Green then make the leap straight to F1. CART was a feeder series to F1 bypassing the European series'. Ever heard of Montoya and Jaques Villeneuve? Even American open wheel drivers choose to stay in the U.S. rather than travel overseas. A.J. Foyt said he wasn't the type to wear a three piece suit for breakfast and then change into a drivers uniform to race shortly thereafter. Al Unser Jr. never put any serious thought into it, even though there was interested F1 parties. Jimmy Vasser was another. Jackie Stewart saw Gordon's ability at a young age, but he couldn't compete with the money offered from Ford. Speaking of Stewart, go watch the early years of the IROC series where Pearson and Allison are racing door to door, and often beating F1 drivers on road courses in Porsche race cars. Check out Carl Edwards embarrass Schumacher and TV hosts when he beat him on an indoor road course. Let's travel back in time when current F1 drivers would make failed attempts to qualify, and race in NASCAR in the 60's and 70's. How about NASCAR drivers winning the 12hrs of Sebring and the 24hrs of Daytona with F1 drivers in the field on multiple occasions and in multiple series'. Here's the funniest issue, F1 fans disagree with F1 drivers on NASCAR drivers skills. It's hilarious. Juan and Kimi have put it brilliantly! I'm a fan of both. There's two types of drivers. One who excels in one discipline, and one who excels in all disciplines. Anyone who claims that a NASCAR driver couldn't succeed in F1, doesn't have the data or F1 drivers opinions on their side.
Man ... I can't imagine driving one of those gorgeous beasts. I get scared just watching them do it on the TV. Good job Mr. Stewart. I'd be going around that track at about 3mph.
Tony Stewart is a natural. He could probably drive for F1 if he really wanted to
Tony Stewart driving the gorgeous 2008 McLaren
The only issue is that it's Tony that got to do this for the sport
I just have to say that with the talent of Stewart, Gordon, and Johnson, I would love to see them compete in F1. It's too bad that the US F1 team fell through. There is a great pool of talent in the US, but a majority of drivers here go into stock car racing instead of open wheel racing.
3:47 "Tony, It's Lewis..."
they were talking specifically about Watkins Glen because if you notice, the kerbs are higher than most kerbs on the modern F1 circuits. so technically speaking, they have to stay off THOSE kerbs, not all of them
They've sterilized F1 to the point where there isn't enough room to expand the track sides for safety. Plus, Watkin's Glen guard rails are so dangerous they would kill every driver who touched them.
Contrary to popular belief, NASCAR does have 2 races each season on tracks with both varieties of corners (left & right)
I would lOVE to see some more nascar races in actual race tracks. Soo much fun and awesome racing.
id like to see jeff gordon and tony stewart going at it in f1
It may not of been the fastest but it looked very smooth.
tony drove better in the f1 then Hamilton did in the stock car.
Back when F1 cars were sexy and the engines screamed like banshees.
Guns, Muscle Cars and More Agreed!!
He was in IndyCar, he won the 1997 IZOD IndyCar Championship.
They were using wet tires on a wet tune.the track wasn't very wet but was just like a drop of water then eat tune is a dry tune running intermediate tires or softs
I can't wait for 2014. New challenges, new possibilities... But yeah, I'd rather have that v12 or v10 sound over that v6
LOL where did you get 20000 RPM from.... its more like 12000 RPM
1:45 in a f1 and they ask lewis what he thinks because he only ran 1:50 in the cup car. No shit?
07 and 08 F1 cars looked like fuckin spaceships
Did it better than Richard Hammond
If Tony Stewart went to F1 in 1999 instead of NASCAR, he would be a World Champion, without a doubt. Tony is the kind of guy that wins no matter what he drives.
I doubt that but he would definitely be winning races after getting some experience.
doubt
It depends on the driver's experience. With enough practice and finding the right time to slow down and speed. You also need to be familiar with what you're driving.
And it was a damp track. What people don't realize is there is a MASSIVE difference between an F1 car and Stock Car, and even though T.S. has a lot of experience in open-wheel, that was nearly a decade ago. You can't expect any driver to hop in to an F1 car and just BAM! Instant records!!! It's just silly. T.S. did a great job with the car, and I'm envious.
Kids out of go karts can go fast in modern F1 cars. So nothing special that a seasoned NASCAR driver impressed.
Bring. Back. "The man's" circuit.
Rent-A-Car cockpit with Tony Stewart this is the road level
Tony "so this is what a race car feels like"
thats true, fuji is an exception to that rule but that only lasted a few years
that guy keeps referring to f1 as 'we' - painful. Also to anyone who knows racing, knows he is braking incredibly early and slowly in that car.
probably to do with what hes used to in nascar
"That guy" is Steve Matchett...former Benetton mechanic and author who is the color commentator on the American TV F1 broadcasts. Maybe he could be forgiven for saying "we."
That does not change the fact that Tony was racing on wet tires, a semi-wet track, and that it was his first time. Laps on a wet track are generally speaking 80% of what laps on a dry track are.
it’s funny f1 fans say nascar drivers aren’t real racers
back when F1 sounded so great...
Considering that the tires were wet and the track wasn't completely dry and that it was his first time Tony did a very respectable job and so did Lewis.
Thats the cup series. Nationwide has another 2 and the trucks have another. Than there is the 3 series outside the US that are road corse based.
yeah. It would be pretty cool to have f1 back at the glen. I live a couple hours away from there so it would be pretty cool to go to my first race there..
if F1 people (engineers, builders, ...) would be rule free, now that would be the race with real F1 technology and kraftsmanship!
If F1 was rule free, the engineers would create cars that could take corners so fast, they would generate way more g-forces than the human body can tolerate. You would need computers to drive them.
Luis Hernandez lovely , right!? :) And then those engineers would come with stuff to induce the g forces, and that would be awesome :)
robsteries F1 is already a pretty bad case of "follow the leader" if you remove regulations it would only get worse. Who the hell wants to see some guy with the most money win every single race? That's not even a sport.
+robsteries Lol, some reponses were great bullshit. :D
+Luis Hernandez It means drivers would drive slower altough the car would be able to go faster.
be that as it may, some pretty amazing drivers from other sports have come to nascar and struggle to perform. Montoya and Riakkonen for example.
I still cant believe he fit in that car!
All good my man! The thing with NASCAR is that its popularity in the US varies depending on the region of the US. I try to get into "soccer" every four years during the Cup but...well. I do greatly respect the sport and its fans though. My father is a HUGE soccer fan..Devils of the German Bundesliega (spelling)! I want to visit that F1 track in Germany so bad! Silverstone up your way looks awesome too!
Oh guess i was reading the 2014 calendar.
too much ballast on board lol
They're actually not easy to drive. They have so much torque that is really hard to drive fast out of turns without oversteer. Right here Tony is probably 5-7 seconds off Lewis's pace per lap.
no it's 4. Sonoma, Watkins Glen, Road America, Mid Ohio.
You are totally correct, i understand the flack that Nascar gets for the ovals but many don't know the fact that Nascar races on proper race tracks to.
Montreal , Road America and Watkins Glen and i have to say, it look spretty fun with those cars !
Boy... that escalated quickly.
That would've been great but unfortunately GoodYear does not currently have a rain slick compatible with the Car of Tommorow.
Since when is being 9 seconds slower than a 1980 F1 car "just fine"?
Tony is a very competant road racer along with all the other 12 drivers currently in The Chase for the Sprint Cup, there's also 13 other drivers that are very competant on road courses that are currently outside the top 12 in points.
The twSeat Swaps were incredibly cool. Gives both drivers a chance to show their true pedigee in totall different equipment. Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart were the right choices,I consider them to be two of that seres' most accomplished. Montoya (in a sign of things to come) and Hamilton were the right F1 choices, they both have the flamboyancy at the wheel and the ability to wrestle a car that a stock car needs.
Love the sound of these beasts and tony I thought did pretty damn good
F1 is about the team as a whole, every part of the team needs to be top notch to win. Not just the driver. If the engineers aren't competitive then the car won't be and the driver won't be. But if the engineers are but the driver isn't. Then you still lose out. F1 just requires competition in every aspect, instead of just the driver.
Back to Austin for this year, but NJ and TX are booked for 2015 ( so I hear Trolls ). That's two American F1 races in a Season.
Mario was the man in '78 with JPS and colin chapman, a top Formula pilot if there ever was one
Ferrari had the fastet naturally-aspirated engine for the 1980 season. It was a 3 litre V12 which developed around 515 bhp@12300 rpm, while Hamilton's 2008 2.4 litre Mercedes V8 develops around 750 bhp@19000rpm. It is a huge difference in power, but i bet you thought it was the other way round
That's too bad. I actually watched the IndyCar race in Toronto. Pretty exciting stuff. Different than F1 yes, but cool nonetheless. The schedule rarely competes with F1 so I can watch both.
The newer cars are so light that they don't need that kind of horsepower from a V6 to go faster than the 80s cars. But I agree with you they were impressive cars.
it's a regulation set up by the FIA now that private testing of cars is banned, they can only run their F1 cars at the FIA testing sessions, where all the teams show up to. The exception is that if the car is 3 or more years older they can run it whenever and wherever they want
Should've had Montoya do it. He'd have shown Lewis what giant balls look like around a man's circuit.
Costs more than that develop, especially teams that develop both the engine & car, like Renault (currently Lotus) still spends €120M/y on just engine dev, and according to the teams that price is going to triple with the Turbo motors. That figure you pointed out is probably more like what HRT or Marussia spends because the Cosworth motors are significantly cheaper, and it does cost about $7 to build a Formula 1 car in just parts. And it's spelled EXPENSIVE. Expansive means covering a wide area.