I exploited a OSRS Mechanic - 10 Minute Imbue - NO REQUIREMENTS - How To Easily Get Imbues - OSRS
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- Опубликовано: 11 мар 2023
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This video is about how to imbue items in Old School Runescape at Emir's Arena. The traditional method of earning points to imbue items in Nightmare Zone (NMZ) can take up to a couple of hours depending on your level and equipment.
This video shares a secret method that can help you imbue items in just 10 minutes without any requirements. The method involves exploiting a hidden mechanic in Emir's Arena, a PvP update released in July 2022.
You can use Imbue Scrolls to imbue any item on the list, but they require 200 points, which takes around 14 death matches to earn. However, the video shows a trick to complete a 1v1 death match within 15 seconds and earn the necessary points in just 10 minutes. To do this, you need a friend, clan member, or an alt account to join the sign-up and get matched up with you.
The video also covers the background of Emir's Arena, how it works, and how you can use this method to get paired up with your friend.
If you enjoy the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and leave your feedback in the comments. At the end of the video, the creator also has a fun surprise for anyone interested in 3D printed bosses and pets. 
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Video starts at 3:22 and ends at 3:36
Thanks buddy.
o7 o7 o7
ive told like 10 people this, i shout it from the rooftops, but people insist on ignoring it and spending 6 hours in nmz
it takes 30 minuts in nmz, as stated in the video
Haha their fools for not listening 😆
@@tctrickshot true but this feels like your being a rebel and is much more fun and if you need lots of imbues its then a lot better.
@@tctrickshot not everyone is maxed in max gear with the right quests selected. Someone told me it took them 7 hours yesterday. Idk why you have to like try to correct me
same!
Hope things go well for you! First video I've watched but, I'll keep checking your stuff out! Thanks for the great tip!
You wanted feedback: Took you over half of the video to even start explaining the method. Also gotta love the "if you are enjoying the video..." before even showing us anything.
I’ll reply for him. Thanks dude
It's a 5 min video dude lol
Sped complaining about sped problems
5 min video isn’t short enough 💀 My guy
To anyone wondering, yes this still works, and is so much faster than NMZ even if it's slow to get fights.
would this method work with two group ironmen in the same group?
Thanks bro it still works. Just gotta try a few times to get matched with your alt sometimes.
Basically impossible to do this now. Too many people, in an hour I got 2 matches with my alt
I'm logged on my main 122 cb and an alt that's like 70.
Can't seem to match them up.
Is there a level restriction?
Nope
Forgive my ignorance as I haven’t played in a while, can ironman participate in the area and can they also gain points? If so, is it safe for HCIM?
I don't know about if it's a safe death sorry but yes ironman can do it.
Hey, love the content, you're doing great at the moment keep it up :)
3D prints sound good but you'd need to make them a super high quality, what 3d printer are you working with?
Also, what microphone do you use to record for your videos?
Much appreciated thank you, currently working with a Elegoo 8k. So detail is very nice just printed a Jad and Vorkath. Getting things dailed in but there nice.
Microphone is a Bell yeti but I do struggle with audio
Did you try to contact me? Been having some lovely prints but just a had a fail. I think I tried to go to big with weak supports.
This saved me from doing NMZ for hours. (This still works) was a bit weird getting matched with my alt but after a few tries I got it almost every attempt. Liked and subbed thank you!
How do u do it exactly thinking about doing it with my brother
Does it still work?
@@user-jy5oi9bi4i worked for me just trial and error. Use the filter for your country/ region and hop on dead world
@@darthmaul2210 use world filters to get better odds to get matched with your alt
A quick patch to give a timed penalty for FF. At the same time, it's probably not worth fixing since the rewards are pretty bad.
I can't seem to pair my main to my iron through this. Did you do anything specific? It constnatly makes me hop worlds
Did you get it to work?
@@ovrreaction Yup! had preferences mis-set to a different world. Still was hit or miss but had higher match rates
@@thomabow8949 easy mistake to make. Use aus at quite times should work 😁
Anyone know if this method still works?
Can this still be done to this day?
This is just terrible? I never match with my alt, it finds me fights with people on other worlds that dont turn up?
I tried this before and it took over an hour to find a match with my mate.
Please feel free to leave any feedback down below, I'm always looking to improve :)
The store is now officially open: www.etsy.com/shop/OSRS3DReaction
im interested in 3d prints! would be curious about cost
3D models look great Bro I would be interested for sure!
I would also suggest just making them and running some sponsored ads on Instagram
What's the source for your profile picture?
It was an artist called charmchi its been about 5 years ago. I'm not sure if she does work still.
i was just at pvp arena grinding imbues a few days ago, most people suck there so i ended up hitting the max points per win (think its 24 points per win after a 10x win streak) and it STILL took me 10-20 min each imbue. wish i saw this video before i went full sweat mode lol but good to know for in the future.
Ah legend cheers for letting me know as I was going to look into what the cap was.
@@ovrreaction I’ll check to be sure because I’m still on the streak but I’m 90% sure it gave me 24 points a few games in a row so I assumed it was the cap
Don't suppose you were able to find out or was it far to busy?
@@ovrreaction my bad i forgot yesterday but i just won 2 more games and it gave me 26 points each, heres the gyazo
did this a few weeks back. Got 3 imbues in about 90 minutes. If I would have stayed at nmz to imbue just my mask, I would have been there for like 6 hours.
6 hours to imbue at nmz ? I think it takes like 30-40 mins lol
Nice glad to hear people are able to do it the same as me as a few people have been saying it doesnt work which I'm very confused about as I have 3 hours of recordings of it working.
Depends if an iron man with a d scim takes a while.
@@Obito1994 ive been 12 hours and i only have two rings so far. how can it be 30-40?
Would you be able to make models from other games, too? E.g., WoW TBC
Pop me a message on discord to know exactly what your thinking. dill#4712
is this bannable since youre "teaming" "boosting"?I dont wanna risk my acc but it's most likely safe
can they get much more defined than the models you showed?
Yes, the printer is used for warhammer detail. The main issue I would have is the CAD files and how much detail the bosses have in general.
I could look into making osrs graphic versions but also hd versions.
Love the 3D print idea - may be a good call to reach out to crumb bc his blessing would go a long way. Don't want to alienate yourself from the community bc a lot of ppl seem to think crumb is the only one doing it bc he has the biggest reach
I'm more than happy to and I agree. I've also looked it see what other creators have produced as I definitely don't want to step on peoples toes and their hard work. I'm hoping if I add my own creative spin like size or adding custom parts for people its separate from anyone else's ideas and work.
I saw the prints and immediately thought “that’s the Vorkath I bought from crumb” 😂
Crumb can only produce a certain amount due to copyright hence a lot of his prints are "out of print". Many of us have been hoping that someone would pick this up again
There so cool. Looking into paints now and getting very excited. Hoping crumb replies.
I was that's exactly what happened. Well fingers crossed I hopefully can pick up the battern. I did want his consent but we will have to see.
how can I contact you about the 3d printed figures? looking forward yo supporting you!
As we speak I'm still investigating everything and making sure I don't step on anyone's toes. I will be setting up a store and I will link it in future content. I would say with all the positive comments I'm ready to do this so I should have everything setup in 2 weeks. My final 2 issues are I'm UK based and need to look at shipping costs for places like the US, and second is painting the models.
My only feedback is to work on your audio levels, I had to crank my volume way past where it normally sits. Other than that, fantastic content as always!! 😄
This always gets me haha. I try to compare it to other videos or even music videos but its really hard to get right. I definitely need to find a way.
@@ovrreaction You will man, don't let a small aspect get you down. You got this!
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Much appreciated thank you. Comments like this make my day. And honest feedback is appreciated so much.
I will take a look now. Thank you
this still work?
So can I do this to get imbue rings w/o getting HP xp on my obby pure?
I believe you will get xp but I am not 100% sure
@@ovrreaction doesn't it put you on default max stats?
Dude it took me like 30 minutes between 1-2 in the morning lol. Ty!
Nice video 😀👏
Thank you 😁 finally someone that used emojis. Much appreciated for the comment.
Thank you very much for the guide. 6 hours for 7 imbue scrolls, save my days in nmz.
Glad I could help!
Is it still working?
There's so much info missing for this to make sense, why did it make me an alt acc for these worlds? why does it have to be a friend or acc couldnt you do the same vs randoms and ff or die intentionally? does the alt account currency go to the main IM???
it's not an alt that's created. It's a copy of your character for the Duel Arena. The same that happens for DMM and leagues. I.e. the same account.
I got an Anycubic Kobra GO a couple weeks ago and have been struggling getting it dialed in and have been using rs models to practice! I'd love to be able to ask questions if you are available?
Learning is myself but add me in game and we can sort something out 😁 or let me know your discord.
@@ovrreaction Kyle380#0096
plz stop encouraging people to leave the duel matchup... its faster to simply start a match with a random and immediately leave through the gates when the fight counter starts. Super annoying for people trying to earn points as it was intended when fights get insta cancelled 90% of the time.
Best OSRS suggestion I've had in years
Legend thank you, had some mixed responses to this one so hopefully it still works for you.
love this kind of content - i do soul wars sometimes as a duo to get my low level accounts items etc and thats op similar to this! seems fun - defo reach out to some other creators incase they feel like you're stepping on toes for the 3D models. seems a cool idea but yeah as some others have said!
Thank you, appreciate the feedback and I definitely will ask other creators. Might have to look at the soul wars as I thought it was dead for imbues.
@@ovrreaction it's not the best for imbues i mainly do it on low level irons/niche accounts to get crates but i dont think it would be awful! not as fast as this however so ty for video!
In about 60 matchups, I've faced my main twice. Most people don't even join the fights and it takes ages to get a matchup. I literally don't understand what they have done to this.
Edit: I've found that if you ready up and then copy the load out from your main your like 90% more likely to match up with it.
@@Kasual97what do you mean copy the loadout?? I’m confused
@@JrizzyGotMotion Been a while since I've been there... But if I recall correctly you can right click another player and copy their load out
Nice vid bro
Much appreciated
This is great! Thank you so much for the upload!
Evening mr legend. thanks boss :)
@@ovrreaction Literally imbuing all the unimbued items on my pure and ironman rn 😂🙌🏻
Nice ! Glad it helped someone out as loads of people saying I've ruined the method 😆
So could I just go in and lose and still get 14 points every time?
Its caped at 12 but yes you totally can.
so you can get the imbues in the normal game?
Yep you buy the imbue in the main game and use them on your items.
Nzm was a pain for my main but this da dounds good for my uim to gets its slayer helm imbued when I can make it. Might go ahead finish up gotr get my infinity robe set minus hat and slayer helm i and get to it 😂
My dude. Amazing guide. It can be way harder to match when the worlds are busy but I logged on at like 8am and got 200 points in like 15mins. Well worth making an alt and buying a bond.
Very glad to hear it. I think a lot of people jumped on when it was super busy. Thank you for the feedback and the positive comment. Hope you enjoy my other content 😁
the prints are cool but maybe try doing stuff that crumb isnt making.
cool ideas would maybe be the god symbols. im sure some people would love those.
i seen the LED thingies and i was like... i would buy that instantly if it was a symbol of like guthix or even zaros.
but instead they make home tabs? or the stats symbol. like why? does anyone really want those. i made this cool lego see through 64x64 zaros symbol. and put a light behind it.
you gotta represent the gods u follow ingame right :D
Ive partnered up with a couple of designers for LEGO creations, you might of seen a few posted on reddit but we are currently going heavily down this route. A couple have been added to the Etsy store but I am currently making an official website.
Thank you for the advice though and feedback its really appreciated.
gonna wait a few weeks and try this pvp arena worlds are swamped now
Might be worth it come Monday views dropped a lot now.
if you do with with 2 of ur own accounts is it bannable
I don't believe so.
Here I was thinking coming in with a friend with both of us on two accounts was fast.
Ah was that in nmz using two accounts? Whats that that like?
This doesnt work anymore, a bunch of bots clogged the minigame and nobody shows up to the fight
💯 % ill buy a big kbd printed pls keep us updated 🙏 😊
9 inch by 9 inch big enough? What kind of price do you think is fair for the big models? Small ones are about £25 /30 on the market.
I'm not printing and do kbd print add me on discord if your still interested: dill#4712
Those prints sound dope
Glad to hear 😁 if you bought one out of interest where would you put it and what kind of size would you want.
@@ovrreaction I'd probably buy something to hold my business cards, so maybe about the size of a business card holder?
Oooo interesting idea I will see what I can come up with.
I’d definitely be interested in buying a 3D printed resin Corp beast!
I'm now in the process of taking orders. The shop isn't set up yet but I'm doing it through discord in the mean time. You can add me : dill#4712
Would be very interested in some cool 3d printed pets and bosses maybe some npcs aswell like nieve
Oooooo good shout! Not seen a neive. I will definitely look into this.
NO REQUIREMENTS you need a friend, oh well well well
i loled at your "nmz points should be used for your daily herb boxes"
someone clearly forgot half the playerbase literally cannot do this
😂 fair point.
dailyscape is cringe anyways
Can you get the points in F2p?
I don't believe so sorry.
dont always lose on your alt or your rating goes too low and you cant match them anymore. alternate wins/losses
That explains a lot. Thank you.
I would love a 3D model if you do end up putting these up for sale!
I'm buying paint as we speak 😁
Any chance you're going to sell the files or do a patreon? Id love to be able to print them
I have a RUclips membership program which I can post files in a link to this is in the description or if you join discord we can discuss it there (discord.gg/waQuwCbN) Some of my files are for open use. Some I have repaired, altered or custom which have rights attached.
I my hard drive corrupted and I had a traffic accident 2 months ago so I'm just getting back on my feet but there will be a more fluid way to purchase files in the near future.
A dude in my clan told me, I imbued my black mask in less than 20mins
Almost want to pin this since people think it can't be done.
I wish this wasn't even a reward from PvP arena. On paper it's a great way to not have to leave where you're at in game and break for PvP, but then after being queued up and your match not showing over and over and when they finally do, they just forfeit/afk, it really ruins it. Wish people wouldn't use it this way, but it's inevitable I suppose. :/
It definitely needs updating. Hate having dead content in the game.
I've been so keen for a Dag Rex pet. Can't get my printer to print the thingiverse model. Would be keen to get one from you!
Ooo a set of the kings would be very cool 😁 If I made them what I kind of size would you be wanting and where would you put them?
@@ovrreaction I have a Jad and it's about 3 inches high which is decent. Would go on my desk 👍
Nice, so if it was like 9 by 9 inch is that way to big?
@@ovrreaction for me personally, yeah. I imagine the print time on that would slow down your production too!
Print time should be fine, originally when I had this idea I was thinking bigger so people can put them on shelves.
I watched this like 30x over and over drunk as fuck still don't know what's going on.
Got to Duel arena woke up passed out in a random lawn chair outside.
GG.
Liked and subscribed to so I'm not a dog.
😂
People do this without alts/friends. They matchmake and leave or instantly die to whoever you match with and it still gives points.
True but I found that some people don't or take a long time to accept a fight or randomly after 2 minutes of waiting cancel.
I’d totally buy the 3D printed pets! Some examples : Youngllef, Crystal Tangleroot, Zmolcano, ALL ABOUT IT!!!
Youngllef would be awesome ! Appreciate the feedback just buying paint. Hopefully get some together by next 2 weeks.
@@ovrreaction that would be SO COOL!!! Both teal and red are amazing
Out of interest what kind of size would you want if you did buy one. Just curious for some market research.
can you print weapons? like a DDS would be cool
Already got a dds on my store mate. 😁 I'm not sure about bigger weapons but I can certainly do daggers and smaller currently.
What other weapons were you thinking?
@@ovrreaction wheres your store? I cant find it
@@RookieRay apologies I didn't have it in the description or comments on this video. Now updated or you can use this link. www.etsy.com/shop/OSRS3DReaction
How viable is it to do it on your own without any friends or clan members? Like with randoms. Asking since I don't want to waste a second bond on an alt I'm not gonna use... been imbuing at nmz all the way but this seems so much better.
The reason for an alt or friend is to mainly build high points steak. A random might try and kill you and if they do you loose that streak.
Also some bots or random people take a long time to click accept. However yes you can definitely do this on your own.
Do you think it would take around the same time to complete for a scroll or much longer?
@@argo8407 Probably a fair bit longer but still like 10/20 minutes which is isnt to bad just depends on luck on parings
@@ovrreaction alright! Thats actually pretty good for my situation. Thanks for responding!
Glad to hear and no problem I try to respond to every single comment as it means alot when I get feedback and advice. Hope to see you around on more of my content 😁
Those print pictures look like the ones from Crumb's store?
Not from crumbs but from other creators in the 3D print channels. Theres a few already out there but not as nice or as good quality as crumbs. I wont lie I'm copying crumb but I believe hes reached his legal 100 limit of producing jagex content for each boss / pet.
@@ovrreaction All good man, I just saw the vorkath and was like that paint job looks familiar. Good luck in your endeavors
@@Mascutting haha yeah I've got a lot to live up to for painting. I still need to research that part but I'm excited. Even if I just only ever make a vorkath for myself 😁
Many thanks and the same to you.
I'd definitely get 3d models of all my pets. Love the idea
Awesome to hear, sounds like I have a few models to make then haha, quick question if you were to buy them what kind of size would you be looking for?
I'm not in production, you're welcome to send me a friend request on discord dill#4712
Something that would fit in my palm would be perfect. Easier to fit a collection on the shelf that way
@@slybuy8 Oops I was meant to say I am now in fully production haha, pop me a message on discord and we can discuss it easier :)
Dude thank you this is the best way to imbue items, and also a fun way to learn how to pvp
Great to hear you made it work as quite few either haven't followed the guide properly or it seems their doing it at weird times.
@@ovrreaction i noticed that even if holy don’t pair up with a friend and just fight ransoms you still get points so either way it’s super easy to get the points needed to imbue items
@@Ao400 when pairing with randoms was it bots or did the fights happen quite quickly?
Does this still work???
Yes
High quality prints would be awesome
Good to know, any pets or bosses you would want to see? and where would you put one if you did get one and which size?
@@ovrreaction Zulrah would be sweet!
I'd put it on my desk so probably 2-3 inches.
Brilliant, thanks for giving the feedback. I will look into zulrah 😁
10 MInutes is bait !
It’s a nice way to get imbues. I did it over two days to buy all 11 scrolls for every imbue in the game
Awesome! Out of interest did you reach a cap on win points?
@@ovrreaction i didn’t do the win streak,sorry. I kept losing and winning matches on both accounts to make my rating pretty evenly to where I was pretty much guaranteed a fight with my alt. Also tournament rounds with clan mates would make it faster I believe.
All good I might try it and do a follow up video with like a 200 win streak 😆
I'd love a QBD, Arraxor and KBD prints!
Awesome to hear. Oooo never thought about rs3 models interesting idea.
Out of interest what kind of size would you want if you did get one?
@@ovrreaction For me, the length of a cellphone (about 6 inches) & width of half a cellphone (`3 inches). For generality but it would have to look good, so if its adjusted a little thats understandable. I'd be looking for items to place on a computer desk for display.
@@AmokShaka thank you for the feedback. Originally I was going to go for a shelf size but I think alot of people have said they would like them on a desk.
Don’t do this, I’ve spent more time trying to que up with my buddy than actually doing the exploit
so true
I would buy an air rune, law rune, and earth rune if you made someone.
I'm probably being stupid but why that particular set of 3? And yeah I definitely could make them 😁
@@ovrreaction Home Tele :P
@@masterbeta2983 I'm dumb 😆😆😆
@@ovrreaction haha hes right! Ill defintely take those!
looking into them now
If only you could buy it in the grand exchange😑
PvP arena ftw that’s how I do it on my Ironman
100% easy imbues for irons.
Video is popping off. Too bad everyone there is just instantly leaving every match because they don't match with their alt.
Tell them shout louder ! sorry hehe.
Rip. This hit algorithm, now they're gonna patch it.
Ah it did but its slowed down now so it should be fine. 😁
Is this method still viable?
Yep still works
@@ovrreaction I tried to get a duel for 2 hours today. I got no shows for every single one. I don't know if im doing something wrong but this seems not worth the hassle.
@@TheGcohen1996 make sure you follow the guide carefully. People are skipping steps like setting your preferred world.
@@ovrreaction he’s right lol, I had all my settings right with about 10 people in the Aussie world including my 2 accounts and it took around an hour and 45 mins to get 240 points on one account, 196 on the other. The match making system is horrible. 85% of the time u get a no show or they cancel right away.
Not to mention I didn’t get paired with my alt once in that hour and 45 mins..
is this considered mechanic abuse?
It seems like it is but I know what you mean. I believe it is because I don't think Jagex intenteded players to use this method to get easy points. I doubt it would be an issue since theres no money to be made but if there was it wouldn't be in game for long.
Hey, thanks for making the PVP Arena even worse that it already was. Really, I appreciate it.
It's already got a broken queue system, where you get paired with NOBODY or AFKers 50% of the time
And when you finally do get paired with a player, there's another 50% roll that they are a booster
I just LLLLOOOOOVVVVVEEEEEEEE queuing for a piece of content, only to have 80% of my interactions be with people asleep at the wheel, or with players who will do everything they can to avoid actually playing the game that they pay to play
Goodness and good night
Can I ask a question? You say I've made it worse yet when I was there the only people I saw fighting over the period of 3 hours was like 4 people and they were challenging each other. So I find it hard to believe this has damaged dead content further.
@@ovrreaction You were there for 3 hours. That's enough of a sample to get data for one splice of one single day for one single time zone.
Not only were you there for only 3 hours, but you purposefully stuck to the least populated world as much as you could
So let me ask you a question: Based on your experience, do you think you have a respectable sampling of the active user base of this activity?
I appreciate I may have ruined some content for you and I do apologise. I can't please everyone and I thought this would be helpful to a large amount of players that find NMZ boring.
Sorry I didn't look deeper into the community that uses the pvp arena as it was intended.
pking is dead content and you're cringe for caring about it xD
@@dilliondantin find something more important to worry about there sugar tits.
The game keeps getting me into the 1v1 tournaments group rather than 1v1 duels group. What the fuck ?
same. it worked a couple weeks ago i was able to get 2 imbues pretty easily but needed a third today and 1v1 duels doesnt work, just puts u in tournament which NEVER starts
@@froggo7529 same wtf is going on!?
Are you selecting it from the notice board or the interface?
@@ovrreaction its fixed now! 👍
this never works, everybody is trying to pair up with their alt accounts and end up never pairing up with anybody since they think they wont get points when they lose. delete video tbh
agreed annoying af, just join match and forfeit for the 12 points
Myself and my clan have all got imbues through this method. I'm UK based and did it during working hours. Pheraps this is why but this definitely does work. I've recorded a full 2 hours of me doing this.
I tried this but found for whatever reason people join you wait in the lobby for like 2 minutes and then they cancel the duel.
Almost 6min video could have been done in 10 seconds.
TLDW: Emir's Arena, use an alt in low pop world to 1v1, spend points on imbue scroll.
I want to like the video but holy shit did this drag on. i get it, it wouldnt be as beneficial to you to make it short but jesus did this hurt watching.
Oh sorry :/ I like to give a bit of guide otherwise people ask me in the comments.
been an hour got 1 match >.> this is so dumb
I’d buy a model depending on price.
It would depend what size I print and the complexity but on average small size 3 inch by 3 inch £20 / £25 the large scale 9 inch by 9 inch £40 / £50 then customs about £75
@@ovrreaction US shipping?
I need to look into US shipping and costs I'm UK based.
No matter how much you shout about this, people will still go to nmz for their imbues :-D
Seems like some people think NMZ is better which I'm honestly baffled by 😆
This is what someone keeps stealing my daughters time for lol…. I keep telling her pvp areana is pointless and a waste of time.. well I guess not for whoever knows this point exploiting
😂😂😂 it's our secret now
@@ovrreaction I told her about this yesterday, she was like “it’s not ranked tho” 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🫡
how have i not heard about this -_- omfg.
Haha its sneaky peaky
@@ovrreaction im gonna do this soon. Rack up a few hundred points on both my 30 and 80 def obby accs.
Except it such dead content that you can’t ever get a game because only 9 people are searching for games and they’re all afk and don’t start the matches
what have they done to this shit i can't even get myself and everyone else doesnt join the fight lmao
duel is bad, other guy never join on fight, just spam for all join on tournament, very very fast imbue
"No requirements" btw
0% chance this can take 10 minutes
Double checked today and it is with 2 alts.
Maybe i'm just an idiot but it would have been nice if you actually showed the menuing required here because the duel interface doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you don't know whats going on. Lots of filler commentary, no actual menuing showed