This is great! I had never heard of Dialectical Naturalism, but it seems to be quite a useful theoretical framework. Really looking forward to the follow-up video on communalism, Bookchin's proposed solutions, and Rojava. Also loved your episode of The Vegan Vanguard on Mental Health, Addiction, and Capitalist Realism - I hope you do more collabs with Mexie and Marine. Keep on fighting the good fight
P. D. Morrin thank you! Yes, I’ve been reading a lot of Bookchin and I find a lot of his work fascinating. “The Philosophy of Social Ecology” is a great book if you want to learn more about dialectical naturalism :) Aww thanks, I’m so glad you enjoyed it! Mexie and Marine are 2 of my favorite people so I was really honored to be a part of their show :)
Eagerly waiting for your second part. For me the revolution in Rojava is the shining light in a darkening world. We need to support it in every way possible.
Such an interesting video, I always learn so much from you! I'd never learned about the theory of Social Ecology. It reminded me of my "how the gender binary hurts animals" because researching that topic made me realize how much we project our human-made constructs in "objective" observations and "fact" about the plant and animal kingdom. I loved the editing too. Did you pull it from another video or do you have amazing graphic design skills!???
Hey girl, so happy to see your face pop up! Thank you :) and yes, I loved that video of yours. We really need to stop placing our assumptions onto animals and the rest of the natural world and thinking we can dominate everything and everyone, it’s a really harmful and destructive way of life we’ve created. I took the footage from other videos and google, there is no way I could ever create these animations! Haha
Thank you, thank you. I've been trying to get people to read just Remaking Society--the brilliant, brief primer on all of this--but getting people to read anything, even during these shut-down pandemic times, is such an uphill battle. This thumbnail summary, with its bright & helpful animation, will have more legs than all of my social media mini-lectures and all of my pleas for folks to just read a few books combined! Kudos and deep respect to you.
What's worst of it all is that you can maximize prosperity for all while minimizing the environmental impact to sustainable levels for multiple times our current population. This is why our economic system should be replaced while also pushing forwards sociologically and technologically towards a type 1 civilization.
@@GruntKF I'd suggest looking up introductory level info on hydroponics, aquaculture and aquaponics as well as their prospects in being utilized in underground farming. Other suggestions range from some macroeconomics (for example looking how meeting demand is avoided because it makes profit impossible), the mechanisms of planned obsolescence, bioplastics, renewables and nuclear energy options that are safe (like small reactors), bioplastics, etc. Unfortunately I have not formulated my opinion from a specific book rather by being in the field of agricultural engineering has resulted in giving me a direct view of what's going on and how screwed up our current production and distribution is.
Ah I gotcha, appreciate you sharing those recommendations, though! Are you well versed in the concept of permaculture as well? Would be happy to share a free uni course about it with ya :)) sounds like something that'd be up your alley
@@GruntKF Though I don't specialize in it (the field is absolutely massive) I know a bit of permaculture. Before you read or do anything here's the number 1 cheat to increase your chances of success: look outside the window and find out which plants grow on their own. Also, legumes are your friend. However to feed the world sustainably without caring about population then aquaponics are the way to go. I cannot stress how much land and resources it saves and how much pollution you eliminate with it. All you need is clean energy to power it (hence renewables or nuclear, preferably fusion, is a must in my books)
@@fl00fydragon gotcha, much appreciated, appreciate your passion for this subject matter as well :) and yep permaculture relies heavily on local flora, can be applied to concepts like agroforestry, environmental restoration, etc. sustainability is essentially the name of the game. here's that course, figured I'd just go ahead and link it - the material is from 2010 but still pretty good lol mediasite.online.ncsu.edu/online/Catalog/Full/1ec0688b568a4a47a8ca8926e7b4ef1b21/?state=SCblaUl3piSsrd2TNU9L&fbclid=IwAR2TIHPQxpwC1OuNp_RWaxp6rSPzhcwZqtLWkSKATne8x9XfqD3naCbO-N0
This video is OUTSTANDING!!! I've read several Bookchin texts, including 'The Ecology of Freedom", and this is such a great summary of some of his major ideas! Just wondering, did you ever end up making the follow-up video? I really want to watch it, but can't seem to find it among your video collection.
Heyy thanks so much! I actually ended up doing a video on Rojava and focused on democratic confederalism as opposed to libertarian municipalism because the former was largely inspired by the latter and I wanted to present a real-life actualization of Bookchin's and Abdullah Ocolan's ideas. In the future, I'd like to dig further into Bookchin's work, I just haven't gotten to it yet :)
Thank you very much. Really good work. Just one remark: people think they can dominate nature but they can't. That's also what Murray Bookchin thought about it by the way. Bookchin also wrote: "The notion that man must dominate nature emerges directly from the domination of man by man… But it was not until organic community relation … dissolved into market relationships that the planet itself was reduced to a resource for exploitation. This centuries-long tendency finds its most exacerbating development in modern capitalism. Owing to its inherently competitive nature, bourgeois society not only pits humans against each other, it also pits the mass of humanity against the natural world. Just as men are converted into commodities, so every aspect of nature is converted into a commodity, a resource to be manufactured and merchandised wantonly. … The plundering of the human spirit by the market place is paralleled by the plundering of the earth by capital."
Dude I really loved this .... just enough depth for me to go out and research it all myself ... actually I am loving this entire channel ... don’t get the reason for the low view numbers... I am honestly thinking of copying everything from here and do it in Portuguese cos I live in Brazil... but dude seriously amazing ... is there any other channels like this? Where do you for this type of topics ? This and other 2 videos had a HUIUUUGE impact on me ... they were truths I already knew deep inside like in my genes and you brought it out in a verbal and articulated way ... thank you! Btw I am work in a major multinational investment bank that established some of the major agricultural investment funds that are active today... it doesn’t get any more dominating and hierarchical than this... I would seriously love to learn more about please
9:55 Instead of cattle eating grain they could be put on pasture that is managed in a way to promote grassland biodiversity and provide a home for a multitude of plant and animal species. Then the meat would be full of minerals and vitamins and support both the health of humans and the environment.
I kind of agree with the sentiment of the video, like having %100 automation (which I think is the only way Marx's theories could ever work), but I think it is naive to suggest that we could use technology without exploiting the environment. You can minimize the damage, sure, but in a world of finite resources that is simply slowing down the inevitable. I'm going to assume that you are a city person considering how hard you are leaning towards nature goddess motifs.
Question about numbers. You said that 40% of food grown is fed to animals who are then eaten. If we cut the food animals out we could feed another 800 million people. 800m is about 10% of population. Following that 40% of grown food feeds 10% the same math yields 60% of food feeding 1.2billion or 15%. Seems a little short of feeding the whole population. Am with you on ending monoculture & eating WAY less meat. The math popped out at me as missing something Thanks!
"John Burroughs has stated that experimental study of animals in captivity is absolutely useless. Their character, their habits, their appetites undergo a complete transformation when torn from their soil in field and forest. With human nature caged in a narrow space, whipped daily into submission, how can we speak of its potentialities?" ~ Emma Goldman
Human nature has both emotions .....love , happiness , empty , corporation are positive emotions hate , jaleousy , fear are negative emotions and human has both these qualities from the beginning and will remain till human is on this planet......social environment also plays important role in constructing psyche but at the same time human psyche also plays an important role in constructing social environment.....
we could be free from domination and hierarchy. I think they are part of our history but not of our nature. Our instinct is to survive, and the mankind evolved as we created communities and societies, at a first stage of evolution. Today we have Economics, governments, laws and a head hierarchical system. We chose to give orders to the weakest because it is more pleasant for us, because it's easier and because we like having others following our instructions. If we decide to change, to interact with one another in parallel way, to choose a humanistic moral code, then we can destroy the wall of domination and hierarchy and have a humanistic society. Saving the environment is serious, everyone needs to act
Great video! The idea about ancient greeks projecting their social dichotomies onto nature and the medieval world seeing nature as hierarchical, is referred to in some book by Bookchin, and if so, which one?
As I watched this I had some thoughts, and I'd like feedback on this one; I feel that this argues against the natural formation of hierarchies in an unjust way. In fact one naturally forming hierarchy was mentioned and that was the instance of older societies giving respect to their elders. Similar to other apes, humans form hierarchies based on familial connection, community usefulness (merit), and physical attributes. There are artificial / institutional hierarchies divorced from nature, but they only seem to work because they mimic and abuse these instinctual structures. One thought I had while watching this is that maybe a consequence of hierarchy formation is exceptional levels of displayed compassion? In that if someone has been placed in a position of power through merit, and some strife befalls them, it could be that persons placed in the community as a respected leader would draw an extra level of effort to comfort the individual, or they may have been associated with so many people through their leadership they have many people who volunteer to assist them in a hard time. Additionally - in a beneficial hierarchy one would gain respect by helping those on the wider side of the pyramid. I feel like there are certain negative aspects to hierarchies, as evidenced by our current socio-political reality, but to deny that they are not natural to humans all together seems to miss the mark when we appear to benefit from them in the way other species do, and arrange our societies very similar to that of other great apes. I studied horticulture, not philosophy lol, so if you know of some key-words to google, or the name of a person or group of thought that pursues this, I would appreciate it.
Hi there I've been a teacher at the Institute for Social Ecology in the US for thirty-six years. I've written about social ecology and also ecofeminism. I just accidentally discovered your fabulous video. Who are you and where are you? Did you ever finish the video on communalism? Thanks so much, and looking forward to hearing from you, Chaia Heller
That's why I love the Tao. It's all one thing, and you are a part like all the rest that it all depends one. -The Tao nourishes everything but ask for no payment in return.
This video had number of things I disagreed with (or, phrased a little less critically, didn't really understand), but ultimately pretty interesting! Also, it would be good to try and credit at least some of those sources of imagery, especially those animations…
The answer to all of this is getting rid of monetary systems. Monetary systems require a hierarchy. We dont need money. Never have, never will. Money incentivizes us to do harm. Thats it. Ditch money, save humanity. Its way simpler than it seems.
Learn Socialist Justice yes that’d be great! Haha idk I don’t really adhere to any specific ideology but libertarian socialism, green anarchism, etc yes definitely resonate with me
(Lowy, 2015) Ecosocialism: A Radical Alternative to Capitalist (Williams, 2010) Ecology and Socialism: Solutions to Capitalist Crisis (Magdoff, 2011) What Every Environmentalist Needs to Know about Capitalism (Cock, 2010) Green Capitalism or Environmental Justice? (Van DeVeer, 2002) The Environmental Ethics (Baer, 2017) Democratic Ecosocialism as a Real Utopia
I disagree that there were Rousseau "Nobel Savage" nor was it was Hobbes "poore, nasty, and brutish." In pre-literate societies, there was no Garden of Eden in the past, but there was also cooperation within the family group, but also brutality between groups as well as ecological collapse but they had the option to move on. There is a survival bias to their stories because not all stories are accurately reported to the present day. In portraying the past as what needs emulation you are creating a mythology not based on the evidence.
I just wanna say that a funny thing about people saying "look! nature is selfish and humans are naturally selfish!" is that they'll allways give examples of different species of animals being selfish with one another... cus if they tried to give examples of animals being selfish with others in their own species, they'd see that they almost allways like, share things with the community and stuff
I haven't seen the next video, but I am a big fan of Richard Wolff. I am curious whether he has a better solution that the democracy at the workplace, one man - one vote.
bookchin idealizes the hunter gatherers? do you really think invention o agriculture is some sort of curse cast upon the free happy living human beings of some glorious past?. There are many great things human brains have achieved, so no thank you with living in "harmony" with parasites, floods and droughts, incurable diseases, arbitrary violence and ignorance of the pre state society. I´ll give you like anyway, i love your channel and you have your heart in the right place, which is what matters
Social ecology is fundamentally crafted to be the best politically structure for human kind to keep living in this planet... And another thing when we want ecological change we do not only want corporational - state policies that are only supported by oligarchs.... ecological thinking has to become political with assemblies and stuff from grassroots..... Political is the magical word because if we adore just ecology with individuality then praying or meditating or some eco-friendly activity we do is only for the moral cleansing of the trashcan of everyday-capitalistic life
Thanks for this. I don't really know what I am doing if I am honest. But I was just interested in getting to know more about Murray Bookchin's 'Dialectic of Naturalism' - wikipedia describes as "a contrast from the empyrean, anti-naturalistic dialectic idealism of Hegel, and the wooden, of scientistic dialectical materialism of orthodox marxism". I have been aware of him for a while, but wanted to get into other things first so I could understand in better context. If I understand it right, Bookchin is an Anarchist? - I've become more aware of contrasting ideas about 'materialism' between anarchists and marxists, that seem as different as ideas about quantum physics and Einstein's theory of gravity respectively: LOL - I have actually combined Anarchism and Marxism in my mind using the analogy of combining those two theories of physics (quantum being more like anarchistic relationships particularly with the concept of 'entanglement' giving you 'interference patterns' etc such as in the 'double slit experiment', a Jordan Peterson would bias the outcome by effecting it by taking a 'measuement' that breaks entanglement and removes the interference pattern but would still be 'scientific'; while Einstein has the determinism of the likes of Marx's economic materialism [or 'inertia'] - the thing being that the acceleration of gravity seems to break quantum entanglement... so there's that). I'm aware of 'competition vs cooperation' that seems to have been settled using 'game theory' in favour of anarchists over hierarchist. I only really got into philosophy through trans issues, which I explored using neuroscience and Hiedegger's Existentialist Philosophy - might not be likely bed fellows I guess, but I made it work using the 'dorsal ventral brain hypothese' dorsal being more materialistic (i.e. 'ready to hand' - such as hammering a nail) and ventral being more idealistic (i.e. 'present at hand' - such as colour perception). I also looked at 'fear' and 'anxiety' and their relation to our metabolism in terms of short term aggressive use of carbohydrates vs long term relaxed use of fats in the context of gender identity - I stopped short of a Sam Harris take on biology and free will, and indeed debunked it, but I didn't debunk the existence of trans people but rather gave scientific evidence (such as brain scans and biopsies and statistics) in the context of Existential philosophy. I also reached the end of my rope in terms of looking at economics from Liberal (Adam Smith and the invisible hand of the market), Marxist (and materialist only concept of price relation to value) Conservative (QAnon apparently) perspectives - though I'm far from an expert. And well, y'know Heidegger and the Nazis in terms of any environmentalism inspired by him. LOL - also '3D printed Children' and 'Fully Automated Luxury Communism' seem like a natural way of getting into feminism. And basically just been massively depressed at the Arctic Ice Extent and where that could be by 2030 - and all the ego smashing, left, right and centre that may ultimtely end up doing. Stuff.
Hey I LOVE this video, but the thumbnail makes it real hard to share with people not conscientized yet (People tend to close up when there's mention of anti-capitalism at the start of their journey). One way or another, thanks!
Basically Bookchin argues that the current irrational set up is a result of social hierarchies being put in place, institutionalized and embedded in human societies since pre-history. But the social development is not one-sided - throughout history we have had both what he calls a "legacy of domination" and a "legacy of freedom"- Our understanding of social freedom and our potentials (technologically, socially etc) to create societies freed from domination and hierarchies has also grown and evolved.
Nice one! There are ways towrds making a change as consumers even within this dark capitalist realism. Here are some ideas for social and nature's structure longevity: 1. Pick made to order items (shoes. clothes, musical instuments etc.) if you can afford it, there are some great deals. This way not more than the needed items will be produced. 2. There are cases nowadays when certain bio-farmers can provide you monthly vegetables if you make a deal with them, something like a yearly subscription. They can only provide the amount and type of products nature allowed them to grow but it is surely top quality and helpful for nature. 3. Even for carnivore ones, in my country, there are some people who arrange meat orders, so animals are not slaughtered before there is demand for their meat. Just consider how much meat rotts on selves and butcherhouses if there is no demand for it. It's shameful to continue supporting this twisted market of large quantities of products that are thrown away when not needed which other than material wasted includes human labor wasted in most cases.
I disagree with the premise that humans ruin nature because of a social mentality. You say that it is instinctual the way animals live in nature and i think it's the same for humans. Every organism, including humans, take from their environment whatever they want. Native Americans cut as many trees down as they wanted and ran herds of bison off cliffs (obviously this varied by locale). Thinking they were ecological stewards is false. They simply didn't exceed the lands carrying capacity for their population like we have today. No organism has evolved to worry about managing their environment.
MrWoodsli they understood the role and importance of everything living in the environment. Commodifying everything is a disease that comes from Seeing everything around you as “dead” and made for your use. Animistic societies are always less harmful to the environment because they view everything as having inherent worth independent of its ability to be commodified
11:37 Marx didn't think capitalism was the beginning of exploitation fyi. Him, Engels and other Marxists have written extensively about other systems of oppression prior to or during capitalism.
I love in. (in a nutshell) That's one of my favorite RUclips channels. Yha.... oh and no this video. Nearly every other species has hierarchies but humans are special. Just let people be free let people be individuals. We are not a brotherhood The whole universe isn't mystically connected. Everyone needs enuf to eat and No one wants to die.
this is a good and informative video, keep it up! however, i believe the illustrations in this video are not by you as i have seen it in crashcourse and maybe TedEd videos. hope you can give them the credits for the illustrations for future videos. :)
Hiërarchies are just advanced by short-term natural selection. They are more efficient in decision making, and therefore will always prevail in the bigger picture. But wait: Are you saying that Darwin's theory is wrong?
Great video. Agreed with everything, except I am not totally sure how possible creating a post scarcity world through technology is. Creating technology that can be build without centralization or an expert class that is also in dynamic equilibrium with the environment could be possible, but it also might not be possible.
Lazy Litch thank you :) and yeah I mean it’s definitely not possible under capitalism, that’s for sure. I think the biggest thing right now is changing the way we view the world and realizing that people,animals, and the rest of the natural world are not here for our commodification and exploitation. We’ve got a long road but I imagine if we don’t change our outlook this earth will not be here much longer.
THIS IS SO GOOD!!!! editing on point too, damn. thanks for making this!
Mexie thanks girl, love you 😘
Where's the next vids?
I agree
I know. I wonder did she do a follow up but removed it or something? We need a part 2 🙏🌎🌱
This is great! I had never heard of Dialectical Naturalism, but it seems to be quite a useful theoretical framework. Really looking forward to the follow-up video on communalism, Bookchin's proposed solutions, and Rojava. Also loved your episode of The Vegan Vanguard on Mental Health, Addiction, and Capitalist Realism - I hope you do more collabs with Mexie and Marine. Keep on fighting the good fight
P. D. Morrin thank you! Yes, I’ve been reading a lot of Bookchin and I find a lot of his work fascinating. “The Philosophy of Social Ecology” is a great book if you want to learn more about dialectical naturalism :)
Aww thanks, I’m so glad you enjoyed it! Mexie and Marine are 2 of my favorite people so I was really honored to be a part of their show :)
This literally saved me from failing my test, wonderful animations and story telling
Successful attempt at presenting the ideas of Social Ecology in a simple and accesible way, thank you for making this video
Right on sister, keep fighting the good fight!
I LOVE ALL YOUR VIDEOS!!! ALL OF YOUR VIDEOS ARE TRUTHFUL, ACCURATE, FACTUAL AND MOST OF ALL EDUCATIONAL!!! THANK YOU!!!
How can it be true that this vid only has 2.5k views? Amazingly under appreciated work here :/
Eagerly waiting for your second part. For me the revolution in Rojava is the shining light in a darkening world. We need to support it in every way possible.
Phil Neale totally agree, I’ve started working on it, will be out in the next couple of weeks :) thanks for your input :)
First one of your videos I've seen. Terrific.
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Such an interesting video, I always learn so much from you! I'd never learned about the theory of Social Ecology. It reminded me of my "how the gender binary hurts animals" because researching that topic made me realize how much we project our human-made constructs in "objective" observations and "fact" about the plant and animal kingdom. I loved the editing too. Did you pull it from another video or do you have amazing graphic design skills!???
Hey girl, so happy to see your face pop up! Thank you :) and yes, I loved that video of yours. We really need to stop placing our assumptions onto animals and the rest of the natural world and thinking we can dominate everything and everyone, it’s a really harmful and destructive way of life we’ve created. I took the footage from other videos and google, there is no way I could ever create these animations! Haha
Thank you, thank you. I've been trying to get people to read just Remaking Society--the brilliant, brief primer on all of this--but getting people to read anything, even during these shut-down pandemic times, is such an uphill battle. This thumbnail summary, with its bright & helpful animation, will have more legs than all of my social media mini-lectures and all of my pleas for folks to just read a few books combined! Kudos and deep respect to you.
What's worst of it all is that you can maximize prosperity for all while minimizing the environmental impact to sustainable levels for multiple times our current population.
This is why our economic system should be replaced while also pushing forwards sociologically and technologically towards a type 1 civilization.
hey, definitely agree but would you mind sharing some reading material on this? would love to spread that info around
@@GruntKF I'd suggest looking up introductory level info on hydroponics, aquaculture and aquaponics as well as their prospects in being utilized in underground farming.
Other suggestions range from some macroeconomics (for example looking how meeting demand is avoided because it makes profit impossible), the mechanisms of planned obsolescence, bioplastics, renewables and nuclear energy options that are safe (like small reactors), bioplastics, etc.
Unfortunately I have not formulated my opinion from a specific book rather by being in the field of agricultural engineering has resulted in giving me a direct view of what's going on and how screwed up our current production and distribution is.
Ah I gotcha, appreciate you sharing those recommendations, though! Are you well versed in the concept of permaculture as well? Would be happy to share a free uni course about it with ya :)) sounds like something that'd be up your alley
@@GruntKF Though I don't specialize in it (the field is absolutely massive) I know a bit of permaculture.
Before you read or do anything here's the number 1 cheat to increase your chances of success: look outside the window and find out which plants grow on their own.
Also, legumes are your friend.
However to feed the world sustainably without caring about population then aquaponics are the way to go.
I cannot stress how much land and resources it saves and how much pollution you eliminate with it. All you need is clean energy to power it (hence renewables or nuclear, preferably fusion, is a must in my books)
@@fl00fydragon gotcha, much appreciated, appreciate your passion for this subject matter as well :) and yep permaculture relies heavily on local flora, can be applied to concepts like agroforestry, environmental restoration, etc. sustainability is essentially the name of the game. here's that course, figured I'd just go ahead and link it - the material is from 2010 but still pretty good lol
mediasite.online.ncsu.edu/online/Catalog/Full/1ec0688b568a4a47a8ca8926e7b4ef1b21/?state=SCblaUl3piSsrd2TNU9L&fbclid=IwAR2TIHPQxpwC1OuNp_RWaxp6rSPzhcwZqtLWkSKATne8x9XfqD3naCbO-N0
This is a banger summary. I'm gonna reference people to this video when I want them to have a quick explanation of Bookchin's ideas.
Lowkey you got mad skills with this talk about equality, hope our current and next generation listens
This video is OUTSTANDING!!! I've read several Bookchin texts, including 'The Ecology of Freedom", and this is such a great summary of some of his major ideas! Just wondering, did you ever end up making the follow-up video? I really want to watch it, but can't seem to find it among your video collection.
Heyy thanks so much! I actually ended up doing a video on Rojava and focused on democratic confederalism as opposed to libertarian municipalism because the former was largely inspired by the latter and I wanted to present a real-life actualization of Bookchin's and Abdullah Ocolan's ideas. In the future, I'd like to dig further into Bookchin's work, I just haven't gotten to it yet :)
Dang! This is so well made! You rock! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
This is so well done. This video alone has convinced me to subscribe to your channel.
Peter Joseph's The New Human Rights Movement is a great follow up read on this subject!
Brilliant introduction to Social Ecology. Definitely going to share this with family and friends and coworkers when I find an opportunity. Thanks!
Thank you, instant sub.
OMG this video is literally a life saver!! thank you for explaining this... because I barely understood anything from reading bookchin's 1st chapter.
damn. so glad Step Back History recommended your channel. Time to go through your entire catalogue.
Ian B thanks so much, Step Back is awesome :)
Was looking for a good summary to send some friends. This is super good, thank you so much!
Great video, thanks for sharing meaningful content ❤
Absolutely brilliant, I appreciate this video
Hell yeah! This was such a great video girly 💜 Really helpful for my studying today; subscribed hard on this ☝️
Thank you very much. Really good work. Just one remark: people think they can dominate nature but they can't. That's also what Murray Bookchin thought about it by the way. Bookchin also wrote: "The notion that man must dominate nature emerges directly from the domination of man by man… But it was not until organic community relation … dissolved into market relationships that the planet itself was reduced to a resource for exploitation. This centuries-long tendency finds its most exacerbating development in modern capitalism. Owing to its inherently competitive nature, bourgeois society not only pits humans against each other, it also pits the mass of humanity against the natural world. Just as men are converted into commodities, so every aspect of nature is converted into a commodity, a resource to be manufactured and merchandised wantonly. … The plundering of the human spirit by the market place is paralleled by the plundering of the earth by capital."
Very informative. I like your take on this
Murray Bookchin is the most important philosopher of the 20th century, at least for the near future
Thank you so much! Please keep making videos!!
Thank you for makin this!
Joel Joseph thanks for watching :)
Great video and narration. Thanks for posting!
Wow, this is amazing
Well said... AWESOME
This is so good
All these efforts to "save the earth" are doomed to fail if we do not become a species worth saving.
Brilliant
I love you Mad B!
Great video, explains it all so clearly... I need to know more about this!
well done, my kid brain enjoyed the pictures
Here from PD Morrin's latest video, I should really check out more of your content!
thank you! Paul is great :)
Well done!
Beautiful video
thanks for the intro, interesting ideas
Dude I really loved this .... just enough depth for me to go out and research it all myself ... actually I am loving this entire channel ... don’t get the reason for the low view numbers... I am honestly thinking of copying everything from here and do it in Portuguese cos I live in Brazil... but dude seriously amazing ... is there any other channels like this? Where do you for this type of topics ? This and other 2 videos had a HUIUUUGE impact on me ... they were truths I already knew deep inside like in my genes and you brought it out in a verbal and articulated way ... thank you! Btw I am work in a major multinational investment bank that established some of the major agricultural investment funds that are active today... it doesn’t get any more dominating and hierarchical than this... I would seriously love to learn more about please
Very informative! I don't believe in "human nature" of any form but tjis was great!
PLEASE MAKE MORE CONTENT!!!
More people should read Bookchin! His ideas aren't having a real success in the Syrian Free Territories for no reason. Great video! ✌✊👊
Just discovered your Chanel and now I’m watching all theses 2 year old videos and loving it ☭
Great video. So important to debunk bullshit myths.
9:55 Instead of cattle eating grain they could be put on pasture that is managed in a way to promote grassland biodiversity and provide a home for a multitude of plant and animal species. Then the meat would be full of minerals and vitamins and support both the health of humans and the environment.
great video
sinthoras thank you :)
Her Bijî Rojava û YPG û YPJ
Bijî Kurdistan
Motivated!!! Do I see a connection between patriarchy and speciesism?!?!?! Niceeee
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I love this
This is very very good thank you
I kind of agree with the sentiment of the video, like having %100 automation (which I think is the only way Marx's theories could ever work), but I think it is naive to suggest that we could use technology without exploiting the environment. You can minimize the damage, sure, but in a world of finite resources that is simply slowing down the inevitable. I'm going to assume that you are a city person considering how hard you are leaning towards nature goddess motifs.
Question about numbers. You said that 40% of food grown is fed to animals who are then eaten. If we cut the food animals out we could feed another 800 million people.
800m is about 10% of population. Following that 40% of grown food feeds 10% the same math yields 60% of food feeding 1.2billion or 15%. Seems a little short of feeding the whole population.
Am with you on ending monoculture & eating WAY less meat. The math popped out at me as missing something
Thanks!
"You said that 40% of food grown is fed to animals who are then eaten."
She didn't say 40% of all food, she said 40% of grain.
"John Burroughs has stated that experimental study of animals in captivity is absolutely useless. Their character, their habits, their appetites undergo a complete transformation when torn from their soil in field and forest. With human nature caged in a narrow space, whipped daily into submission, how can we speak of its potentialities?" ~ Emma Goldman
Human nature has both emotions .....love , happiness , empty , corporation are positive emotions hate , jaleousy , fear are negative emotions and human has both these qualities from the beginning and will remain till human is on this planet......social environment also plays important role in constructing psyche but at the same time human psyche also plays an important role in constructing social environment.....
we could be free from domination and hierarchy. I think they are part of our history but not of our nature. Our instinct is to survive, and the mankind evolved as we created communities and societies, at a first stage of evolution. Today we have Economics, governments, laws and a head hierarchical system. We chose to give orders to the weakest because it is more pleasant for us, because it's easier and because we like having others following our instructions. If we decide to change, to interact with one another in parallel way, to choose a humanistic moral code, then we can destroy the wall of domination and hierarchy and have a humanistic society. Saving the environment is serious, everyone needs to act
Great video! The idea about ancient greeks projecting their social dichotomies onto nature and the medieval world seeing nature as hierarchical, is referred to in some book by Bookchin, and if so, which one?
As I watched this I had some thoughts, and I'd like feedback on this one;
I feel that this argues against the natural formation of hierarchies in an unjust way. In fact one naturally forming hierarchy was mentioned and that was the instance of older societies giving respect to their elders. Similar to other apes, humans form hierarchies based on familial connection, community usefulness (merit), and physical attributes. There are artificial / institutional hierarchies divorced from nature, but they only seem to work because they mimic and abuse these instinctual structures.
One thought I had while watching this is that maybe a consequence of hierarchy formation is exceptional levels of displayed compassion? In that if someone has been placed in a position of power through merit, and some strife befalls them, it could be that persons placed in the community as a respected leader would draw an extra level of effort to comfort the individual, or they may have been associated with so many people through their leadership they have many people who volunteer to assist them in a hard time. Additionally - in a beneficial hierarchy one would gain respect by helping those on the wider side of the pyramid.
I feel like there are certain negative aspects to hierarchies, as evidenced by our current socio-political reality, but to deny that they are not natural to humans all together seems to miss the mark when we appear to benefit from them in the way other species do, and arrange our societies very similar to that of other great apes.
I studied horticulture, not philosophy lol, so if you know of some key-words to google, or the name of a person or group of thought that pursues this, I would appreciate it.
So glad I found this. Thank you, quality work right here
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I've been a teacher at the Institute for Social Ecology in the US for thirty-six years. I've written about social ecology and also ecofeminism. I just accidentally discovered your fabulous video. Who are you and where are you? Did you ever finish the video on communalism? Thanks so much, and looking forward to hearing from you, Chaia Heller
That's why I love the Tao. It's all one thing, and you are a part like all the rest that it all depends one.
-The Tao nourishes everything but ask for no payment in return.
This video had number of things I disagreed with (or, phrased a little less critically, didn't really understand), but ultimately pretty interesting!
Also, it would be good to try and credit at least some of those sources of imagery, especially those animations…
The answer to all of this is getting rid of monetary systems.
Monetary systems require a hierarchy.
We dont need money. Never have, never will.
Money incentivizes us to do harm. Thats it.
Ditch money, save humanity. Its way simpler than it seems.
This is awesome. Subbed.
Kewl, i have some books on ecosocialism if you are interested. Mad is an Ecoanarchist now?
Learn Socialist Justice yes that’d be great! Haha idk I don’t really adhere to any specific ideology but libertarian socialism, green anarchism, etc yes definitely resonate with me
(Lowy, 2015) Ecosocialism: A Radical Alternative to Capitalist
(Williams, 2010) Ecology and Socialism: Solutions to Capitalist Crisis
(Magdoff, 2011) What Every Environmentalist Needs to Know about Capitalism
(Cock, 2010) Green Capitalism or Environmental Justice?
(Van DeVeer, 2002) The Environmental Ethics
(Baer, 2017) Democratic Ecosocialism as a Real Utopia
Learn Socialist Justice thanks so much :)
This is great! Where is the promised follow up video though? I can't find it!
I disagree that there were Rousseau "Nobel Savage" nor was it was Hobbes "poore, nasty, and brutish." In pre-literate societies, there was no Garden of Eden in the past, but there was also cooperation within the family group, but also brutality between groups as well as ecological collapse but they had the option to move on. There is a survival bias to their stories because not all stories are accurately reported to the present day. In portraying the past as what needs emulation you are creating a mythology not based on the evidence.
I just wanna say that a funny thing about people saying "look! nature is selfish and humans are naturally selfish!" is that they'll allways give examples of different species of animals being selfish with one another... cus if they tried to give examples of animals being selfish with others in their own species, they'd see that they almost allways like, share things with the community and stuff
I haven't seen the next video, but I am a big fan of Richard Wolff. I am curious whether he has a better solution that the democracy at the workplace, one man - one vote.
oof that clip of the young lady having to get out of the way of the old dude ploughing forward
bookchin idealizes the hunter gatherers? do you really think invention o agriculture is some sort of curse cast upon the free happy living human beings of some glorious past?. There are many great things human brains have achieved, so no thank you with living in "harmony" with parasites, floods and droughts, incurable diseases, arbitrary violence and ignorance of the pre state society. I´ll give you like anyway, i love your channel and you have your heart in the right place, which is what matters
Social ecology is fundamentally crafted to be the best politically structure for human kind to keep living in this planet...
And another thing when we want ecological change we do not only want corporational - state policies that are only supported by oligarchs.... ecological thinking has to become political with assemblies and stuff from grassroots.....
Political is the magical word because if we adore just ecology with individuality then
praying or meditating or some eco-friendly activity we do is only for the moral cleansing of the trashcan of everyday-capitalistic life
Thanks for this. I don't really know what I am doing if I am honest. But I was just interested in getting to know more about Murray Bookchin's 'Dialectic of Naturalism' - wikipedia describes as "a contrast from the empyrean, anti-naturalistic dialectic idealism of Hegel, and the wooden, of scientistic dialectical materialism of orthodox marxism". I have been aware of him for a while, but wanted to get into other things first so I could understand in better context.
If I understand it right, Bookchin is an Anarchist? - I've become more aware of contrasting ideas about 'materialism' between anarchists and marxists, that seem as different as ideas about quantum physics and Einstein's theory of gravity respectively: LOL - I have actually combined Anarchism and Marxism in my mind using the analogy of combining those two theories of physics (quantum being more like anarchistic relationships particularly with the concept of 'entanglement' giving you 'interference patterns' etc such as in the 'double slit experiment', a Jordan Peterson would bias the outcome by effecting it by taking a 'measuement' that breaks entanglement and removes the interference pattern but would still be 'scientific'; while Einstein has the determinism of the likes of Marx's economic materialism [or 'inertia'] - the thing being that the acceleration of gravity seems to break quantum entanglement... so there's that). I'm aware of 'competition vs cooperation' that seems to have been settled using 'game theory' in favour of anarchists over hierarchist.
I only really got into philosophy through trans issues, which I explored using neuroscience and Hiedegger's Existentialist Philosophy - might not be likely bed fellows I guess, but I made it work using the 'dorsal ventral brain hypothese' dorsal being more materialistic (i.e. 'ready to hand' - such as hammering a nail) and ventral being more idealistic (i.e. 'present at hand' - such as colour perception). I also looked at 'fear' and 'anxiety' and their relation to our metabolism in terms of short term aggressive use of carbohydrates vs long term relaxed use of fats in the context of gender identity - I stopped short of a Sam Harris take on biology and free will, and indeed debunked it, but I didn't debunk the existence of trans people but rather gave scientific evidence (such as brain scans and biopsies and statistics) in the context of Existential philosophy.
I also reached the end of my rope in terms of looking at economics from Liberal (Adam Smith and the invisible hand of the market), Marxist (and materialist only concept of price relation to value) Conservative (QAnon apparently) perspectives - though I'm far from an expert. And well, y'know Heidegger and the Nazis in terms of any environmentalism inspired by him.
LOL - also '3D printed Children' and 'Fully Automated Luxury Communism' seem like a natural way of getting into feminism.
And basically just been massively depressed at the Arctic Ice Extent and where that could be by 2030 - and all the ego smashing, left, right and centre that may ultimtely end up doing.
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Hey I LOVE this video, but the thumbnail makes it real hard to share with people not conscientized yet (People tend to close up when there's mention of anti-capitalism at the start of their journey). One way or another, thanks!
Awesome video and insight! How do you spell the name of the Karl Marx book you referenced toward the end of the video?🤔
"The problem is the set up of our current society"
And how exactly did that set up come to be in the first place?
Basically Bookchin argues that the current irrational set up is a result of social hierarchies being put in place, institutionalized and embedded in human societies since pre-history. But the social development is not one-sided - throughout history we have had both what he calls a "legacy of domination" and a "legacy of freedom"- Our understanding of social freedom and our potentials (technologically, socially etc) to create societies freed from domination and hierarchies has also grown and evolved.
Here an essay of Bookchin summarizing these perspectives:
www.psichenatura.it/fileadmin/img/M._Bookchin_What_is_Social_Ecology.pdf
Nice one! There are ways towrds making a change as consumers even within this dark capitalist realism. Here are some ideas for social and nature's structure longevity: 1. Pick made to order items (shoes. clothes, musical instuments etc.) if you can afford it, there are some great deals. This way not more than the needed items will be produced. 2. There are cases nowadays when certain bio-farmers can provide you monthly vegetables if you make a deal with them, something like a yearly subscription. They can only provide the amount and type of products nature allowed them to grow but it is surely top quality and helpful for nature. 3. Even for carnivore ones, in my country, there are some people who arrange meat orders, so animals are not slaughtered before there is demand for their meat. Just consider how much meat rotts on selves and butcherhouses if there is no demand for it. It's shameful to continue supporting this twisted market of large quantities of products that are thrown away when not needed which other than material wasted includes human labor wasted in most cases.
really, really good advice! thanks!.....
I disagree with the premise that humans ruin nature because of a social mentality. You say that it is instinctual the way animals live in nature and i think it's the same for humans. Every organism, including humans, take from their environment whatever they want. Native Americans cut as many trees down as they wanted and ran herds of bison off cliffs (obviously this varied by locale). Thinking they were ecological stewards is false. They simply didn't exceed the lands carrying capacity for their population like we have today. No organism has evolved to worry about managing their environment.
MrWoodsli they understood the role and importance of everything living in the environment. Commodifying everything is a disease that comes from Seeing everything around you as “dead” and made for your use. Animistic societies are always less harmful to the environment because they view everything as having inherent worth independent of its ability to be commodified
Hi Blender btw this is my new channel I suscribed from here as well have a very nice day Luv............
Luvatation I’ll check it out, thanks :)
11:37 Marx didn't think capitalism was the beginning of exploitation fyi. Him, Engels and other Marxists have written extensively about other systems of oppression prior to or during capitalism.
Full analysis of Marx, ecology and revolution here: ruclips.net/video/ISvDnS3E6_w/видео.html
Hey how have you been? great video
Eric I’m good, how about you? Thanks :)
Fine. I have more videos uploaded
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I love in. (in a nutshell) That's one of my favorite RUclips channels. Yha.... oh and no this video. Nearly every other species has hierarchies but humans are special. Just let people be free let people be individuals. We are not a brotherhood The whole universe isn't mystically connected. Everyone needs enuf to eat and No one wants to die.
this is a good and informative video, keep it up! however, i believe the illustrations in this video are not by you as i have seen it in crashcourse and maybe TedEd videos. hope you can give them the credits for the illustrations for future videos. :)
I keep thinking the channel is called “max power”
Also all you have to do is read mutual aid to debunk all that nature hierarchy crap
Very interesting new Sunday talk is up- I hope you can check it out 😀
Devon B I’ll check it out, thanks :)
Hiërarchies are just advanced by short-term natural selection.
They are more efficient in decision making, and therefore will always prevail in the bigger picture.
But wait: Are you saying that Darwin's theory is wrong?
Great video. Agreed with everything, except I am not totally sure how possible creating a post scarcity world through technology is. Creating technology that can be build without centralization or an expert class that is also in dynamic equilibrium with the environment could be possible, but it also might not be possible.
Lazy Litch thank you :) and yeah I mean it’s definitely not possible under capitalism, that’s for sure. I think the biggest thing right now is changing the way we view the world and realizing that people,animals, and the rest of the natural world are not here for our commodification and exploitation. We’ve got a long road but I imagine if we don’t change our outlook this earth will not be here much longer.
in a few words we all are doomed due to the endless "human" nature for greed and lust or better said subhuman nature.