Zone Recovery Part 1

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @dwightwellings
    @dwightwellings 2 года назад +178

    A Very insightful video. Going against the grain and investing where many are wary can pay off handsomely. I started getting interested in professional asset management, and as of right now, I have a well-structured portfolio that includes both assets for long-term investments and short-term trades, with the intention of having enough money for retirement by the time I turn 40. My wish for an early retirement came true at the age of 39. With a seven-figure portfolio, I now have a comfortable retirement and make about $400k annually.

    • @alisterpetronni
      @alisterpetronni 2 года назад +2

      You've done a remarkable job, It’s so eye opening how some stocks can make you rich over the next 12 months alone with Life-changing returns. I’ve fixed some funds on stocks and I anticipate positive results soon, still got my mind on actively trading other assets.

    • @asifdmotya
      @asifdmotya 2 года назад

      Seeing comments like this encourages me to keep pushing for complete financial freedom before i retire. Great going mate!

    • @rayneraltunok
      @rayneraltunok 2 года назад

      You must have put in a lot of effort to create your portfolio. I'm on the clock because i plan to retire in a few years, and my portfolio has virtually lost all of its profits. I would appreciate any helpful advice on how I might achieve such success.

    • @dwightwellings
      @dwightwellings 2 года назад

      @@rayneraltunok I've only been able to make these strides on my portfolio with the aid of my financial advisor LEONARD BRACHER, whose expertise has helped build my portfolio to the level its at now, and established it as sustainable income stream. He covers every aspect of trading, including chart analysis.

    • @dwightwellings
      @dwightwellings 2 года назад

      @@asifdmotya Cheers!

  • @reasonforge9997
    @reasonforge9997 2 года назад

    Thanks for being upfront about it being a Martingale technique...saved me the time of listening further.

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  2 года назад +2

      I don't want to mislead anyone

    • @weiSane
      @weiSane 2 года назад +1

      @@OrchardForex You are such a great and honest teacher. I commend you for that.

  • @nathanmillan9538
    @nathanmillan9538 3 года назад +2

    Good stuff, I am looking forward to the remaining parts of this series..
    Thanks for the time you have placed into these informative videos.

  • @brett7761
    @brett7761 Год назад +4

    Interesting concept. Love your videos. I had an EA built similar to your zone part where there would be a Buy at the top and a Sell at the bottom of the zone. Kept the zone narrow at 5 pips above/below candle open but can change that to a wider distance. Works ok. It's a martingale strategy. But now I merged it with the grid strategy so EA will start off with the grid then before the breakeven grid trade it goes into the zone strategy. So if market wants to trend it takes profit. If it reverses it takes profit too. I'm speculating when it moves out of the grid it will move into a support/resistance area and bounce it out of the zone for a profit relatively soon.

  • @jsunproter1940
    @jsunproter1940 2 года назад

    Very simplistic and introductory view of how to use it. Saying that it'll wipe out your whole account is ridiculous. Yeah if you use not stop and let it keep running against you. There are many other ways of using it other than you described in the video. Using cfd's rather than forex lots also allows you to take fractional amounts.

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  2 года назад

      Forex allows fractional lot sizes. It sounds like you are just suggesting start small to allow for lot size growth. That is an option, with a big enough wallet this can work for you.

    • @jsunproter1940
      @jsunproter1940 2 года назад

      @@OrchardForex nope

  • @chcharitos
    @chcharitos 3 года назад

    So So valuable! Thanks for all the valuable knowledge!

  • @FINEFELINE333
    @FINEFELINE333 3 года назад

    Excellent calculator. Thanks for sharing.

  • @navketan1965
    @navketan1965 Год назад +1

    Traders biggest enemy is trend flipping on A dime(e.g. 1H/lower times frame trend).Trend on 4H chart is the best trend guide for majority of forex traders( if one keeps trades for 3 -5 days--not day trading). By the time trader realizes that trend on daily chart is up, market has already gone up about 3-5 days & if you ask supercomputer for the mathematical odds, computer tells you that odds are negative right from the start.Trend based on the last 5-15,four hourly candles has enough big players/juice/force behind it so that it would not flip on A dime, so trader has decent chance to make something without buying overpriced asset to lose again. I seek wisdom from every trader.? And Thank you.

  • @moradimehrdad4881
    @moradimehrdad4881 3 года назад

    Thanks for your excellent training courses

  • @deno174
    @deno174 3 года назад

    This calculator is a killer!!

  • @chrisqueen9499
    @chrisqueen9499 2 года назад +10

    Why not say to yourself "Okay after 5 entries I wont make anymore and just accept the modest loss" ? Therefore no blown account, right?

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  2 года назад +2

      You can do that.

    • @diegomurgia2935
      @diegomurgia2935 Год назад

      No!you can also put all the entry in box.totally hedged :
      For example when the size teach a very big margin instead of increase we can Just put the last order the same size of the previous.0.1-0.2-0.4-0.8-0.5
      So like thise in total the sell order are equal to buy order 1-1 and than how to escape from this situation...?mmmm..

    • @jeevajeeva2481
      @jeevajeeva2481 Год назад +1

      @@diegomurgia2935not possible right when we hedge opposite eg buy .01 lot sell .02 this goes with limit margin as per your plan if this serious continue I decided 0.36 lot is more I need to merge it I can’t control my risk right here if hedge any side with total previous loss I will expose to other side risk ?

    • @ladex142online
      @ladex142online Год назад

      Yes, you have to have a set amount of entry where you accept a loss, also the higher the amount of entries the more spread eats into your profit.

  • @Motadawil
    @Motadawil 2 года назад +1

    i think this will work like magic if you use it in a dynamic way not a fixed way

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  2 года назад +1

      My math would disagree but I could be wrong. What do you mean by dynamic?

    • @Motadawil
      @Motadawil 2 года назад

      @@OrchardForex i mean you have to wait for a signal in order to add more lot

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  2 года назад

      @@Motadawil That changes the concept a lot. I'll think about it.

  • @elwoodpalmer720
    @elwoodpalmer720 3 года назад +5

    it is not a trading strategy per say , it is a "defence" trading strategy when the trade goes wrong, if it used or triggered too often it means the primary trading strategy is not good anyway

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад

      I think I referred to it as a technique.

  • @akikotanaka7364
    @akikotanaka7364 3 года назад +1

    Nice idea!!

  • @tullochgorum6323
    @tullochgorum6323 3 месяца назад +2

    If you have a strategy with a positive expectation, simply take your losses and keep trading. This is the least risky and most profitable strategy. With zone recovery, not only is there a significant risk of busting your account - you're also tying up a lot of your capital attempting to head off a single loss over a period when you might have made a number of wins. So there's high risk and high opportunity cost. Not an attractive combination!

  • @aaqibawan3733
    @aaqibawan3733 3 года назад

    The sell stop should be on the entry price of the buy stop then there is no risk,
    But you need a robot to be that fast and accurate and low spread broker and ofcourse a lot of other conditions setted up in robot

  • @spsenator
    @spsenator 2 года назад +1

    Inevitable Range bound for a few hours or days and your entire fuking account says bye bye

    • @dentonhess5810
      @dentonhess5810 Год назад

      Agreed. I coded this and backtested it several times. If the market gets range bound you get whipsawed until your account goes poof. The tighter the zone, the quicker the failure mode presents itself. Sometimes soon, sometimes not for a while, but it is a statistical probability. Maybe if you run a risk of ruin money management betting factor you might bleed out slow.

  • @Matt-qw4tz
    @Matt-qw4tz 8 месяцев назад

    Thank you for the video and calculator! Would these same numbers work on a manually traded netting account? So you buy 1, sell 1.4 giving you a new position size of -.4, etc. At each step your open contracts would be what's in the "exposure lots" column.

  • @kingzammitfx8122
    @kingzammitfx8122 3 года назад

    Amazing

  • @marcosignorini7408
    @marcosignorini7408 Месяц назад

    Thank you for your video, kindly may you correct the working links for the "Free downloads for Metatrader 4 and 5" ? the above ones are not working now...thank you in advance
    All the best
    Mark

  • @sindhmagar
    @sindhmagar 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for your time you are teaching free of cost that is much appreciated. I believe that wased was talking about first lot 1 buy than 1.5 sell after that if market goes up will buy 1 lot because 1 is already there and if market moves down we will sell 1 lot if market move up again buy 1 lot if down again sell 1 lot so on so forth in this case whatever side market goes, 0.5 lot will be there to cover losses could you please code this feature in your comming videos about this

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад

      I think what you are saying is that if we have say 6 legs, buy 1.0, sell 1.5, buy 1.0, sell 1.0, buy 1.0, sell 1.0 then the first sell 1.5 is always there to offset the opposite legs, but you are forgetting the unrealised loss as the price crossed the 40 pip zone. By leg 6 in this example there are 3 lots of buy, all with a loss of 40 (or 120 total). Then if the price moves to the lower close there will be a total loss of 3 * 140 pips and a total profit of 3.5 (sell lots) * 100 pips.Or 350 profit less 420 loss. Each trade must result in an increased nett position to offset the unrealised loss from the zone (except trade 2 where we are just giving up the profit).

  • @ianjannaway9160
    @ianjannaway9160 Месяц назад

    Hi - excellent video's. When I click on the MT4 and Mt5 downloads link above it takes me to the IC Markets broker pages? DO you have links to the MT5 download

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  26 дней назад

      The links are to download MT4 or MT5. They come from a broker.

  • @pamanieco
    @pamanieco 3 года назад +1

    I use this strategy but i make my own analysis about the number. I started at $200 and it is still profitable using small lots...

    • @ZainHDHQ
      @ZainHDHQ Год назад

      How so? Do you set a cap on how many trade you can take per zone? Thanks

    • @Raminoffshevchenko
      @Raminoffshevchenko 7 месяцев назад

      even with 1000:1 leverage, $200 is nothing if you wanna open more than 2 hedging trades

  • @kekelidoe5202
    @kekelidoe5202 5 месяцев назад

    I have seeing this alot lately , is it advisable to trade this on a live accont?

  • @nayanmipun6784
    @nayanmipun6784 2 года назад

    Hedging works when the trend returns to the hedged Long Short positions but if the trend doesn't return to the hedged Long Short entries there would be loss of the opposite position

    • @deno174
      @deno174 Год назад

      Martingale helps is to make money. With this kind of hedging, it is a nontrending market that will kill your account.

    • @nayanmipun6784
      @nayanmipun6784 Год назад

      @@deno174 if the market trends for a long time to only 1 direction wouldn't the martingale entries keep doubling each time till the account no longer has money

    • @notoco1199
      @notoco1199 Год назад +1

      ​​@@nayanmipun6784 no in zone recovery the ranging market is the killer . There is always something that can fuck you up in this environment😂

  • @muggzzzzz
    @muggzzzzz 2 года назад +1

    What will happen if there will be a flat constantly catching upper and lower recovery zone lines? You'll collect too many opened progressively increased positions and eventually you'll bust. This is just another form of martingale distributed between multiple orders.

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  2 года назад

      I said that in the video. What's your point?

    • @muggzzzzz
      @muggzzzzz 2 года назад

      @@OrchardForex I wanted to ask the same question: what's the point of this video if you know it's a pretty bustable strategy? I wrote dozens of mql scripts and none of them were safe in a long perspective. It's like casino, you can win in a short perspective if you'll be lucky enough, but the total bust is just a matter of not so distant time.

  • @mnimaeslamian
    @mnimaeslamian 2 года назад

    Hi,
    thanks for your all hard work, your videos are super helpful.
    is there any system that you recommend?

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  2 года назад

      I don't recommend strategies, I do occasionally test them.

  • @abdelrahmanashraf9664
    @abdelrahmanashraf9664 3 года назад

    Thanks to you for your efforts
    And i need to ask you about the next part ,when you will do it ?

  • @yuri040776
    @yuri040776 Год назад

    Hello. Thanks for sharing. So.. once I open position and market goes against do I wait for candle to Close above/below the price limit or once prive breach it I need to open opposite position?

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  Год назад +1

      You can adapt the technique any way you like but as it is origianlly describe you would take the opposite trade as soon as price touches the price limit, the same way a stop loss would happen.

    • @yuri040776
      @yuri040776 Год назад

      @@OrchardForex but then any false break of hedging zone will open position which eventually may be not needed and wrong. I have EA and looks like better to wait for candle closure but then all the calculations for Lot Size not correct

  • @lartih
    @lartih 4 месяца назад

    👍

  • @columbuslife4997
    @columbuslife4997 3 года назад

    Great video quick question I know this is not relative question to the video is it possible to take a indicator from tradingview and write them as a new indicator but with the same features using it on mt4

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад

      Generally, as long as you know the formula for the indicator it can be written in MQL4. You may find some of the display capabilities like shaded regions etc may not be available but you sould be able to find something similar.

  • @VahidBehravanVahid-Behravan
    @VahidBehravanVahid-Behravan 7 дней назад

    Guys, the Links does not work!

  • @ingomarwenzel3508
    @ingomarwenzel3508 3 года назад

    Can U tell us, why do U give us?

  • @freedomtrucker2332
    @freedomtrucker2332 5 месяцев назад

    If the 1st hedge position reverses ..why not just close it? ..

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  5 месяцев назад

      See the later videos, there is an explanation that does just that.

  • @FXCORRELATOR
    @FXCORRELATOR 3 года назад

    how does this compare to just stopping trading on first failed trade (so dont chase losses)....

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад

      Well, it doesn't, but that's a different approach. I said, this is just martingale by a different name, high risk but a chance of recovering your losses. Probability suggests you will eventually fail in spectacular fashion.

  • @fcsc6381
    @fcsc6381 3 года назад

    what about we combine martingale + reverse martingale technique?

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад +1

      Reverse martingale is an interesting approach, I might do something on that later but simple probability theory says it will not be successful. Combining the 2, one must always be dominant or the result is zero (less costs).

  • @Mike717ful
    @Mike717ful 3 года назад

    But if price consolidates (and it usually does) and strikes your zone frequently you’ll be betting more and more and at some point you might lose so so much, that cancells all the wins in years

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад +1

      I said that in the video.

    • @Mike717ful
      @Mike717ful 3 года назад

      @@OrchardForex I actually went through all the videos now. You explained incredibly well everything! I have a suggestion... can you use the zone recovery computer bot to run a one year simulation where he opens up positions on Significant Support and Resistence lines (instead of the crossing of the 2 moving averages)... Where the initial direction would be a retracement from the direction that hit the Support or Resistance. Thank you! Let's see how profitable that is. (From my experience price never consolidates THROUGH significant support and resistance levels, just above and below, but never THROUGH)

  • @tamerocyteful
    @tamerocyteful 3 года назад

    Really useful as I've been trying to optimise my zone recovery and your approach really helped! I'm trying to integrate it into my MQL5 framework which is based on some of your other tutorial videos...I'm not having any issues...just trying to figure out the best way to integrate it and my money management class as well...the code is getting a little busy with lots of nested ifs...so I have taken a step back...any advice?

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад +3

      You can try pulling some of the logic out to a function call, visually it removes nesting. My usual first step to reduce complexity is to go full OO on the problem and it sorts itself out.

    • @tamerocyteful
      @tamerocyteful 3 года назад +1

      @@OrchardForex thanks for the feedback…I’ll do a bit of work to tidy up the code, keeping it truly object oriented.

    • @ZainHDHQ
      @ZainHDHQ Год назад

      hows it going

  • @ALEXSHUNCAI
    @ALEXSHUNCAI 3 года назад

    Hi Orchard, Great Video, on the other hand, if the trader stop executing his martingale strategy at round 10 every time, and uses the micro lot size with 1% loss of the total account balance $10,000 every time, do you think he will come ahead for the long run? Thanks again!

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад

      No. Small lot sizes just slow the loss. Ending the stratgy after a number of losses also limits the loss but the loss at 10 i still large. Mathematically you will always lose ... eventually.

    • @ALEXSHUNCAI
      @ALEXSHUNCAI 3 года назад

      @@OrchardForex Thank you for the quick response, I think this strategy is better to combine with some good technical indicators, then it may work, otherwise purely using this martingale will fail like the coin tossing game.
      Another questions I want to clarify is the calculator you posted on the web, is the ""initial lot size" meaning: 1 =1 standard lot = 100,000 units, 0.1 =1 mini lot =10,000 units and 0.01 lot =1 micro lot = 1000 units? Lot step is the allowable size of the lot each time increasing? By the way, do you teach people to learn MTQ4 programming, if you do, may I know where I can find your tutorial, Again, as always good videos and thanks a lot!

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад

      @@ALEXSHUNCAI The calculator is just doing math based on a start of 1. It makes no adjustments for minimum or maximum or lot step because these all vary by broker/symbol.

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад

      @@zlmdragon. If you took the time to watch the first 30 seconds you would see that I call this a technique not a strategy and the purpose is to avoid losses. If you watch further you will see that I do not recommend this.

  • @alisterjohn4360
    @alisterjohn4360 2 года назад

    Is the source code for this on git hub and available? Would be appreciated love the technique

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  2 года назад

      Sorry but only by following the videos. This is martingale and I don't really want to encourage it.

  • @EverestDsylva
    @EverestDsylva 3 года назад

    Pls sir can you make a video about how to code buy and sell the same times

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад +1

      Do you mean just place both trades at the same time? What is the objective?

    • @g-teche-tech7004
      @g-teche-tech7004 2 года назад +1

      @@OrchardForex I think he meant an EA for this type of martingale strategy. I have similar strategy that has been profitable for me over a year. I wish I can put it in a EA, let it run automatically.

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  2 года назад

      @@g-teche-tech7004 I have an expert but I have been reluctant to release it because I do not recommend martingale.

    • @ZariFXTradingAdmin
      @ZariFXTradingAdmin 10 месяцев назад

      cay you explain please ?@@g-teche-tech7004

    • @Raminoffshevchenko
      @Raminoffshevchenko 7 месяцев назад

      @@g-teche-tech7004 using the zone recovery technique in the video?

  • @MasterTimFx
    @MasterTimFx Год назад

    I trade this system but not with forex but crypto.....the spread on forex makes this system suck.. so its better in other financial markets..... dont let your targets be too far away...so they get hit easily. Study the previous ranging markets and set your profit target within the range. Your profits will be small but they would come quicker and then you repeat the process. Thank me later❤

    • @ahmedo7875
      @ahmedo7875 6 месяцев назад

      I want to use with crypto. Does the increased volatility help with consolidation? Also do you limit the trades to like 5 or 4 ?

  • @jx6564
    @jx6564 3 года назад

    Joseph Nemeth.

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад

      Thanks, yes that was it. A recording of a live presentation.

  • @pratik7590
    @pratik7590 Год назад

    I want take loss and exit after 4th position..

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  Год назад

      Just count the number of times you cross the upper or lower zones and close at 4.

  • @ingomarwenzel3508
    @ingomarwenzel3508 3 года назад

    ⛲ Hey dear, what ks deine Botschaft❓Ist Deine Botschaft wirklich hilfreich❓Du, wie denkt es in dir dRüber❓

    • @ingomarwenzel3508
      @ingomarwenzel3508 3 года назад

      Und was bedeutet das für die Wirtschaft? Kannst Du, Narr, ohne die reale Wirtschaft überleben? Na Schwetzer, wie antwortest Du?

  • @gzaligzali6149
    @gzaligzali6149 2 года назад

    Got this Ea ?

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  2 года назад

      Yes thanks.

    • @g-teche-tech7004
      @g-teche-tech7004 2 года назад

      @@OrchardForex Can we get it on your web site and is it possible to edit the EA. That is the exit points and the entry zones?

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  2 года назад

      @@g-teche-tech7004 This EA is not available to download.

  • @yanix1
    @yanix1 Год назад

    I blow up an account with 150k with this strat cuz of slippage in the market FED

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  Год назад

      You blew up because this is a bad idea.

    • @yanix1
      @yanix1 Год назад

      @@OrchardForex no because I traded on the fed day
      It’s not 100% the same strategy but I improved it in normal day am getting 3 to 5% of profit with 1/2% of dd

  • @wasedwambe7548
    @wasedwambe7548 3 года назад

    you are missing or haven't thought in different way to utilize this strategy there are few poeple who already doing in different way this strategy and 100% never in loss (until market is sideways for one year) do we really need to increase lot size after second time???????????? waiting for your ea

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад +3

      There are variations, yes. This presents the standard practise. Increasing after the second, if you have some magic math that works without the increase then use that. 100% no loss, feel free to use this, it's your money. Sideways for a year, no, only sideways for a week can cause complete failure, but usualy it would take several weeks. The market is unpredictable.

    • @greathobby2881
      @greathobby2881 3 года назад

      @@OrchardForex then how sir? because I have mc three times using this technic because of sideways. so sad. hope u can help.

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  3 года назад +1

      @@greathobby2881 There is nothing to do. I said this was a dangerous technique because a sideways market can cause the position size to grow too much. You need a big account balance to be able to deal with this. Like many things, you take a risk. If you get a good market then you can get a good return. If the market is not good you will probably lose.

    • @greathobby2881
      @greathobby2881 3 года назад

      @@OrchardForex tq so much sir👍

  • @JJTradesEverything
    @JJTradesEverything 10 дней назад

    You will guaranteed eventually blow up an account and lose a ton of money trading like this.

  • @WaseemAhmad-bd5kx
    @WaseemAhmad-bd5kx 2 месяца назад

    I strongly oppose suck kind of strtrgy. 9.9 out of 10 time you will lose your own account. This is insane.

    • @OrchardForex
      @OrchardForex  2 месяца назад

      People seem to like it though. Anyway, all I do is show how.

    • @WaseemAhmad-bd5kx
      @WaseemAhmad-bd5kx 2 месяца назад

      @@OrchardForex But a professional you shall not promote such kind of strategy, because you never can be a successful trader with this kind of mind set.

  • @circle559
    @circle559 2 года назад

    Idiotic system