A few of my clan members believed everything this guy put out. I told them to watch the video closer and pay attention. We went into an instance and I proved my all red striker was stronger than this guys build. Without all the buffs it is weak. Sorry, but this guy needs to stand up and be honest with the community.
@@markuskylrnd1798he did, but still went ahead to remake said trash build into a "better version " with 3pcs Striker, Ninjabike BP, one picaros and one fox's prayer. The main issue with the whole video is that there's no way you'd justify using Stiker as a skill build, the gearset only increases weapon damage, in the incursion run he posted with the build, it was very obvious his skills were doing some really lackluster damage. There's literally no way to increase his skill damage on that build aside from the capacitor. No matter how you look at it, there's no way that qualifies as a skill build
@@markuskylrnd1798he doubled down on it by saying he did not optimize it enough,swapped the skills to chem launcher and sniper turret and the closest thing to him admitting being wrong is that he said he had FI in the range. he still argues about it in the comments about how with the sniper turret he would win in a dps contest,and when backed into a corner he pulls the ultimate “its just a game brah why so serious” card. also his build got even worse somehow,ninjabag with picaro,his total chc/chd stat is even lower than the previous video and striker drone would actually be better than chem launcher
@@blackquincy5073 I been using that same build for months in pve. It hits 1 Mil to the head 800k to the body in solo play. I assume with all the buffs in the incursion it would be a lot stronger
He does shit like that all the time . He also NEVER replies to negative comments on his builds . This dude is just full of himself . Mr. one man army / never die / best build ever / bla bla bla .🤙
This was similar to my experience a couple years ago, very early in D2s life. I called out another D2 creator in his comments that his math was completely wrong on status, skill damage, skill efficiency, and incoming vs outgoing repair boosts. He made a video specifically addressing me and telling me to stop spreading misinformation. I responded with a video explaining the math, and demonstrating all affects in action. He had his followers mass report me, false copyright claim me, and harass me into oblivion. Turns out I was right, and was the first one to show it all. Too bad it cost me my channel.
@@DodRegnbue Yeah, I had just started to grow as a content creator, was approaching 1k. Really killed my desire to keep trying. I'm glad I came across your channel though, refreshing to find someone with a similar mindset. I haven't played since that happened really, just came back a week ago to the game.
immediately realized this is about the 6 skill tier striker build, the number of ppl who i run into incursions with 6 skill tier striker is absurd and they all get toxic when i tell them that there are better builds they can use to help the team. they tell me that i should learn to play and that their build carries the group because a big yt user put the video out with proof. its absolute buffoonery, i dont know if i should blame the ppl for running stupid builds without verifying it, or the ppl who make those builds just to get more views. it is a losing battle against ppl who use these builds, and i usually just leave after a couple of messages back and forth, and they refuse to change. it isnt that the build is completely useless, it maybe good, but definitely not the best build that carries the entire group through the incursion.
I have no problem with identity , that being said, you didn't do anything wrong. You only accepted a challenge. Its not even that serious. Now it looks like they are salty.
Also not sure if it was brought up anywhere, but that same build was already posted by TuxidoBandido like 3 months back, and he interpreted it in a much better way, acknowledging that the build won't beat a 6-red build in dps, but just easier to use and more utility/flexibility, which I liked. ruclips.net/video/8OI0VGcQsIc/видео.html
Yeah atleast with tuxido he's atleast objective with his builds,tbh if you want to look for funky/different builds the guy to look for makes soo much different stuff.
Kudos to you! You are 100% correct. Sadly, now here in the USA, they teach kids in school that anybody who has an opinion that differs from one's own is a bully and "toxic". I was taught as you say. Mistakes are going to happen. Own up to the mistake and learn from it. Everybody is human, nobody is perfect.
if you throw down the gauntlet; prepare to get slapped. besides this tomfoolery, you don't need an "apology" video for making a mistake, you just rectify it.
Knowing how fans are, they are gonna get personally offended on his behalf. And I don’t specifically mean his fans, just fans in general can’t handle truth that the content creator they like can be wrong sometimes (or all the time if your a division build channel who doesn’t test numbers but we don’t talk about that)
Breath of fresh air. We are in a world where people dealing with numbers are taking things personal. You cannot be trusted if you feel attacked and insulted when the numbers are wrong or arent used properly. As the saying goes “it just doesn’t add up”
I have said in my own videos about little builds I put together, I hate the firing range it is not a fair or accurate way to do it any build I do I stream my self doing a full mission to show it in action. Nice video glad someone else has said it thought I was the only one who was suspicious of his maths but I didn’t comment as I didn’t want to take the risk of getting called a bully.
You can't take some one seriously when he says "factual" and "he doesn't calculate numbers" in same video. I used to respect this dude, but after that video, the cheer fuckin hubris .
Or….what would be awesome. You two get together and run a mission together with your builds….why? To focus on the diverse nature of the game and the common enjoyment of the game. What this game is missing is a bit of class. This would be one way to display it.
I watch creators like you when I want to find out what is "best." Numbers don't lie. I watch other creators when I want to find out about other options, which may work great, and may even work "better" for me. But I know they are not the "best" ... and that is fine. That's part of what makes this game fun.
@@1onesix Valid and I concur. I don't play much anymore. However I realize there has been a trend going on for a while. If people pay close enough attention, they can actually see the difference between content creators who are putting out content for the community while holding themselves accountable to what they put out/state and those who use clickbait titles to views to make a profit. I'm not knocking anyone who is using this platform to feed themselves or achieve their dreams. But we as humans have to recognize when people are sensationalizing many of their titles because let's face it... there are 100s of content creators for The Division community, and not enough actual content to make unique and attractive videos. The problem with the original video in question is that the content creator made a bold claim about the build he was presenting. Then issued a challenge on top of that. Pride and ego can get in the way of genuine motivation to bring something fun/dope/different to the community. If there was no..."this is better than an all red striker build...", this wouldn't have come to this. And content creators are motivated to do those kinds of things because they want views, clicks and engagement so that they can profit on YT. 🤷🏽♂️
@@mackc.8455 I concur as well. Some build videos people make don't work as well as they say or there are stipulations or certain buffs used to make them better. Most of it is click-bait. Those of us who are day 1 agents we seen most builds already. So no this skill tier striker doesn't hit harder than an all red striker but it's a pretty good alternative for pve
It's unfortunate this whole thing had to be done in the first place. I think you hit the big points pretty well. There's nothing bad about his build. It's is a strong viable build that people can use if they want. I will certainly try it in the open world or in heroic (maybe legendary) missions. The only problem here is the claim that came with the build. "More dps than any all red striker build". If these claims were never made, the video would be a great guide to an unconventional build most players wouldn't even think to try. The fact that he changed the build almost completely in his response further proves he was wrong. I have no ill will towards the guy but it is frustrating to see someone die on a hill where they are clearly and obviously incorrect. Sometimes people refuse to acknowledge any evidence presented that contradicts their belief, and sadly that is happening here.
A striker skill build is not a thing 😭. Slapping on 6 skill tiers on doesn't make it a skill build. Yes, you can run what he posted in missions but think about this "you'd almost never have full stacks of striker, if you're not playing on legendary or have a fuck ton of enemies to stack with, so where, when and why would you even use this build?
@@bazookas.unfortunately striker stacks only apply to weapon damage. If they did work for skills, that would make Identity's build probably do more dps than just a normal strikers build. Unless you meant to say the capacitor stacks?
yeah, i did see that video and i chuckled. was like no way it's possible to hit harder than a red build as a skill build in strikers. The numbers just isn't there for weapon damage and definitely not there skill damage. now if the devs put in something a kin to a striker but stacks up skill damage sure i'd see that being a bit better than an all read strikers build, but there's no such thing
Very well done. ID actually made another video this morning on this subject trying to once again just get views from his subs. The backlash was so brutal that he deleted it. 😆😆😆
People need to grow a pair of stones, someone says your wrong with evidence double check the evidence if you were wrong hold your hand up, not sit with your community crying and witch hunting because you cant take criticism
The first video he dropped was already bad enough on its own, there was literally NO POINT in making that second video, not only did he switch up the original build, the "updated version " was worse in my opinion. He should have taken his L like a champ and fixed his error.
IDentiity, has posted an updated video to his striker skill build. He mentioned that he made an error (ie. F/I buff being active). He also modify his striker skill build, to a 3 pc striker with ninja bike,, picaros and fox prayer.
Very well said. Clearly these are points that apply to everyone He and his community are not being singled out at all, especially after a pubic challenge. Sometimes I wonder if some creators have some secret union or something with an unspoken/hidden rule about never messing with each others' content and info. This is not the first time you got backlash. 100% agree that misleading the public is a terrible thing to do, deliberate or not. It should take precedence over any sort of agreement. . Bravo for proiding the players with facts, time and again. Edit: a lot of grammar work.
About that secret unspoken rule. Well yes there is kind of something like that which is why some of the division 1 OGs left div 2. Edit and they went to the game with an even bigger content creator co-op lul.
@@jewelplate It lists you as FluffyCorgi, now i want a FluffyCorgi. But on topic, I think iDentity didn't really have to give some dramatic apology, he could joke about it or keep it chill but at the same time still saying he messed up. "Okay guys, I'm an idiot, this isn't the best DPS, my buds were buffing me a bit too much" and we move on.
Sometimes its like talking to a wall. He puts out information about status effect threshold numbers that are incorrect or which weapon hits the hardest in terms of damage per bullet and hes also wrong. He just put out a video in reference to the same two topics and again, I put out the threshold numbers for him to understand when hes putting out misinformation. But those that spent time and dedication putting information or even researching the information is wrong and toxic and his words are are gospel. Which is why Im like fuck it, cant fix stupid.
This is the generation we live in. Offering a counter point to a discussion proving someone wrong is somehow toxic when it should be seen as educational and a chance to better oneself and in this case elevate his content. Society though and the internet in general that doesn't happen. Mostly because it allows people to connect with other individuals who share a common views even if they are wrong. To them the acceptance is more important then whether they are actually right or not. You continue to do you. Those who want accurate info on the game and want to be better at it will continue to come here and channel like it. Those less knowledgeable will flock to the clickbait BS that is Div 2 content creation.
@1:25 of his video "the build showcased did not hit harder then an all-red striker" but is literally in the video title.. oh nvm, he changed the title kekw
It's the Internet , from that instant you accepted the challenge I could have told you the direction this was headed. It always turns out like this. What was Identity,s initial response?
Remind me of real life colt or crazy religious people, that no matter what you gonna do to show them that they wrong, TO HELP THEM BE BETTER, they just not gonna care, and they gonna stay with there opinions. That very sad. but ye you can't help people who don't want your help friend. Any way thanks for helping the community seen the truth. ❤
i had ppl like that in my clan, act like they know all have best builds etc... and when i prove them wrong im toxic and i just wanna start a arguement. Ppl be weird for no reason.
To be frank to iDentity, from what i can gather, he's made a "build-uation" setup and doubled down on being incorrect while stating everything he said as fact. The best course of action was for him to just let it go, an "I'm sorry", and not try to call it a "controversy" and claim toxicity due to being told and proven wrong (because that causes the worst outcomes, usually). This isn't a good look for him or the community. But i hope things can be thought over and gotten over.
The saddest part was the comments for his follow up video. So many people with terrible comments saying you are elitist or that you take the fun out of the game and that it’s just a game why do you (Dod) take the game so seriously. There were people defending you though! Just too bad because so many defended him and his video. Part of the problem with people these days. Also check out Born2Game and his take on why he is never going to run the incursion again. It’s hilarious because he is crying about it the whole time.
One thing about that build along with pretty much all his others is he isn’t thinking outside the box. That build isn’t his anyways it’s been around since the capacitor released. It is a good build but it’s not on par with his claims about it
why can we just make a vid and say here is a build that works and hope you enjoy..instead of hey here is the most op meta highest dps build in the game to blow up king kong with lol..I mean really....crazy.....anyways....good vid keep it up man...
IdentityUS is the king of hyperbole and disinformation. He always opens with a HUGE statement that he presents as fact. Usually doubles and triples down on whatever he’s decided is the new hotness that only he has discovered.
You can’t show case a build saying it does more Dmg then a red version of it during a ge!! And deff not the zombie ge!!! lol lol a freaking grey handy gun will 2 tap a npc in the head during the zombie ge lol lol Also Roucy is a great dude too we raid together back when I did tons of raids man we had good times together
i've seen both side of this i can understand ur POV of missleading ppl in a game u and other ppl love but from what i see in both vids, that you seem to miss, is that the build is ment to be ran in a team to get the buffs to make it strong, to make it work his new updated version of the build looks better and u could get away with runing it solo (with a few mod changes) it's still best to run it in a team FYI im back from a 3-4 year brake from div2
the point about the buffs isn't that they won't happen. yes you can think of a build reaching full potential in a group setting with 3 teammates wearing the coyote's mask to buff your crit numbers, among other things. but if you are going to do that then the idea of an 'all red build' also shifts. that build will also just leave crit chance in the 30s and bump everything into crit damage. in which case, if the all red variant also takes into account team buffs, it will still out-dps the skill striker.
People identity isn’t the first to say a striker skill build is stronger then a all red one, and to be honest i think the skill striker build is better
Better in what regard exactly? It’ll be better if you want to take less damage yourself, as your skills will draw enemy attention off you. But the damage you deal yourself won’t be better.
Yes it’s dumb. To the point that I personally won’t watch anything from Identity again. He’s evasive, prone to hyperbole and his builds aren’t new when he says they are. Nor do they do more DPS. I guess I could be the only person unfollowing. But I doubt it. Integrity matters to some of us. To others, not so much.
@@aaronsinspirationdaily4896 Sometimes I wonder if its just to fund his game he claims he is making. Idk but his vids do seem...condescending? Arrogant? Maybe its his delivery?
I have a 6 skill tier striker build , everything rolled to Skill DMG , I run turret drone and oxi, I run Wyvern Chest with Tag Team. I love this build it does excellent DMG ; now out DPS an all red striker ? I don’t know but I rarely go down and am usually #1 or #2 in DMG numbers at the end of missions . The build was built out of needing to kill the launchers at the end of Tidal due to my teammates dying trying to kill launchers whilst getting sniped by The Dogs I’ll never claim my build outdoes anybody else’s build but it works for me and I love it ✌️
@@IYIENACE thanks a lot. I took glimpses of the video, was listening and doing something else, i didn’t even remember that I could look at the talents icons (silly me). That leads to another question, which chest/backpack? Thanks in advance Cheers
@@maxdrags3115 I'm asking him to grow up... so not irrelevant. People are getting way to upset or worked up on social media. Who gives a shit what other streamers claim. To be "disappointed" and "angry" is ridiculous.
@@caldepen372I have to ask you, how do you think a majority of new players get their builds? Because I would say that they search youtube for 'Division 2 best builds' or something along those lines, and the videos they are shown will inherently be videos from the bigger and most viewed channels for Division 2. One of the biggest channels for Division 2 put out this video in question, which was proven wrong in a lot of ways. Do you think it's appropriate to mislead people like that?
@@liamwells2132 Sure, but the reaction is way over the top. On top of that the context has to be looked at. I took it that the streamer meant it hit harder in totality. If you combine the damage from the capacitor, from the 6-tier turret and the 6-tier drone on one target, I find in testing it is very comparable to an all red build but hard to test. To be this faux upset is not helpful.
@@caldepen372 May I just ask what reaction is over the top? Because the only reaction Dod had was to take on the challenge, prove him wrong, show and say how he was wrong and then after Identity made the second video, Dod responded with why this is a big deal for Identity. As for your second statement, Identity did mean that his build does more damage than an all red striker's build in total damage (weapon+skills). However, Dod did the maths and proved that exact sentiment to be wrong. Because it may be difficult to test in the range, but using the calculations that the game uses, outside of the game (like Dod did in his spreadsheets), you can come up with the highest numbers that each build can theoretically hit. Now I would also say that since there are more variables to achieve the highest possible total damage using the strikers skill build (since you are getting damage from three completely separate sources), that would therefore make the optimum damage uptime on an all red striker's build higher than the uptime on the skill strikers build. Identity's strikers skill build is not a bad build by any means, but it's damage isn't comparable to an all red striker's build
\> expecting an American to admit they're wrong and make up for it That's where you're wrong, kiddo. And I say that as an American, we haven't been taking responsibility for jack shit since 1776.
bro your community is not asking you to be build Sherriff and prove other creators wrong. its better to leave other in their bliss of ignorance. I'm pretty sure his challenge was rhetorical. I barely watch his videos and now i have had the pleasure to watch his videos twice, because you have to prove yourself right or an adult. who cares about that build. You should just do your thing and leave them to their own devices. This is one of the worst part of the community. this bickering nonsense. Is silly. I choose my build and play the game, because it is just a game. my awareness and experience is way more important than my build. FYI your life lesson doesn't hold true. show a politician or the police their wrong see how adult they are. In the future you should tell your viewers to go hand off on the comments, or maybe not do video at all. I mean do you really care about his community? honestly. Its a game, right?
the thing isn't that iDentity used a bad build he just made it seem as if it 1. was his own creation 2. was better than full red striker 3. good for the incursion which is all wrong the problem here is that people (especially beginners) will copy the build, use it and then get kicked from everything because the build isn't suited for the incursion or raids, etc.
So one of the biggest Division 2 content creators, didn't put any work into properly testing his build, and then decided to put the massively bold claim out there, that said build does more damage 'than any all red strikers build', inherently spreading that misinformation to 10's of thousands of people. But the guy that in a respectful but to the point way (that people somehow mistake for toxicity), accepts the challenge, does the full maths and comes back with the conclusion that the build does not beat even the most ordinary all red strikers build, while showing all his work, this person is somehow more problematic to the division community than the person who has the much larger reach and influence that has spread misinformation. Then when proven to have done that, not only doesn't apologise at all for his actions, but actually doubles down on those claims. I know which type of person I would rather in the community. There isn't any problem with running whatever build you have fun with and/or enjoy, but there are so many problems with lying, that is the issue we have. Identity could have simply apologised for his mistakes and we would all move on, and quite frankly I think everyone would gain massive respect for him if he did that
@@bazookas. for what its worth... pretty sure anyone that goes into a raid with this build is gonna hear a lengthy seminar in why its bad and what the meta raid build is at the moment.
@@liamwells2132 who cares about identity and hid build. if you bother to test this build it wont take very long to decide if it is trash. so user beware.. do the test, if you make it work in content then you can use it...only a matter of time before you hear about before you enter a raid. then there's a character check. what does a player do when they are told they cant use a build to run raids. are they gonna accept the input and put on the meta build or will the rage and moaan about it. thats part of raids.. agent interaction before, during, and after a raid. my point, is that you should play the game and get better. the game tells what to do, all you need to do is read. Your experience and awareness will make most builds work for most content. Then you use your imagination and try different combos. if you want look at creator content, but dont be militant about it. its a game ..right
i mean you care enough to watch this video. not throwing shades here but you know you lost the argument when you move the goalpost from “better than red builds” to “let people have fun you elitist spreadsheet nerd”
I get both sides as the number's guy it's kind of like someone who has OCD so when you hear something wrong you can't help but correct it. That part I understand identity did not explained his build all the way? I did get it I run skill Striker a lot and know how much MORE damage when skills are put in2. IT!! He made a FOLLOW up video explaining that. Now whether you meant to or not your explanation and deliverance of the era it's what deemed you Toxic ? A but in your defense I know it's just like someone taking a nail 2 a board or Screeching metal sound 😂😂😂😂
Let me preface this, what I'm going to say isn't a shot at you. There isn't anything wrong with using a skill strikers build, however, claiming that it does more damage than an all red strikers build, without actually testing whether it does, is ridiculous and misinforming anyone that views Identity's video. Also, Dod has, with maths, the exact same maths that the game will use to calculate the damage of builds, proven that the 6 skill tier strikers build will never do more damage than a properly crafted all red build. Identity's follow up video with the ninja bike bag and sniper turret is actually a far worse build, dps wise, than his first skill strikers build. Because not only are you relying on hitting 100% headshots with his second build to do optimum dps, but what happens when you encounter an enemy that you can hit headshot damage on, like a helmeted enemy, or a warhound. Even in the incursion that he was making the build for, headshot damage doesn't apply to the turret generators, the heads of the chungas (until you break their armoured helmet that is), the drones throughout the incursion or the cleaner rusher's shields. Whereas a well made all red strikers build does very similar damage to all of those targets. Like I said at the start, there isn't anything wrong with using a hybrid build, or a build that you find fun, because everyone that plays the game wants to have fun and enjoy it in their own way and that's fantastic! However, making extremely false claims, misinforming players that are either new, or don't want to go the extra mile to test the dps themselves, and then when proven wrong with undeniable facts, doubling down and act like he wasn't wrong and did nothing wrong and everyone pointing out his factual errors is 'toxic' or 'needs to chill out', is an absolutely terrible and childish way of responding. In short, use whatever builds work for you and your play style, there isn't anything at all wrong with that, just don't make unproven and false claims, especially when you have a large audience. Have a great day agent!
The big deal is people are on youtube trying to look up factual information not what you THINK is amazing. Real facts. Real stats. Real damage. It's great to think outside the box and make unique builds sure but some things are simply better.
"Your community deserves better" can not be said better, Dod.
-prove me wrong
*gets proven wrong*
-how dare you prove me wrong thats toxic
thats the internet in all its glory. hilarious
ID is so concerned with sounding profoud that he cant possibly speak truth consistently.
A few of my clan members believed everything this guy put out. I told them to watch the video closer and pay attention. We went into an instance and I proved my all red striker was stronger than this guys build. Without all the buffs it is weak. Sorry, but this guy needs to stand up and be honest with the community.
He literally put a video a day ago stating that he was wrong on saying it did not do more damage than an all red setup no?
@@markuskylrnd1798he did, but still went ahead to remake said trash build into a "better version " with 3pcs Striker, Ninjabike BP, one picaros and one fox's prayer. The main issue with the whole video is that there's no way you'd justify using Stiker as a skill build, the gearset only increases weapon damage, in the incursion run he posted with the build, it was very obvious his skills were doing some really lackluster damage. There's literally no way to increase his skill damage on that build aside from the capacitor. No matter how you look at it, there's no way that qualifies as a skill build
@@markuskylrnd1798he doubled down on it by saying he did not optimize it enough,swapped the skills to chem launcher and sniper turret and the closest thing to him admitting being wrong is that he said he had FI in the range.
he still argues about it in the comments about how with the sniper turret he would win in a dps contest,and when backed into a corner he pulls the ultimate “its just a game brah why so serious” card.
also his build got even worse somehow,ninjabag with picaro,his total chc/chd stat is even lower than the previous video and striker drone would actually be better than chem launcher
Y'all believed? Never tested out the builds for yourself? 😂😂😂
@@blackquincy5073 I been using that same build for months in pve. It hits 1 Mil to the head 800k to the body in solo play. I assume with all the buffs in the incursion it would be a lot stronger
He does shit like that all the time . He also NEVER replies to negative comments on his builds . This dude is just full of himself . Mr. one man army / never die / best build ever / bla bla bla .🤙
This was similar to my experience a couple years ago, very early in D2s life. I called out another D2 creator in his comments that his math was completely wrong on status, skill damage, skill efficiency, and incoming vs outgoing repair boosts. He made a video specifically addressing me and telling me to stop spreading misinformation. I responded with a video explaining the math, and demonstrating all affects in action. He had his followers mass report me, false copyright claim me, and harass me into oblivion.
Turns out I was right, and was the first one to show it all. Too bad it cost me my channel.
Sorry to hear that, it really is a shame that information is shunned in this game.
@@DodRegnbue Yeah, I had just started to grow as a content creator, was approaching 1k. Really killed my desire to keep trying.
I'm glad I came across your channel though, refreshing to find someone with a similar mindset. I haven't played since that happened really, just came back a week ago to the game.
@@Slim_Sumo Looks like you have posted a video 2 months ago on this account. So, try again. Do it. It can be worth it!
@@DodRegnbue Just occasional clips for friends. But thanks.
Appreciate your straight forwardness and your honesty. This, and your knowledge, keeps me coming back to your content. Don't stop!
Is this a copy pasta from identys comment section? 😂
i agreed with this comment!
10/10 for background music. Best D2 RUclips channel.
People stubborn unfortunately don't want to change, either appreciate your breakdown!
immediately realized this is about the 6 skill tier striker build, the number of ppl who i run into incursions with 6 skill tier striker is absurd and they all get toxic when i tell them that there are better builds they can use to help the team. they tell me that i should learn to play and that their build carries the group because a big yt user put the video out with proof.
its absolute buffoonery, i dont know if i should blame the ppl for running stupid builds without verifying it, or the ppl who make those builds just to get more views. it is a losing battle against ppl who use these builds, and i usually just leave after a couple of messages back and forth, and they refuse to change.
it isnt that the build is completely useless, it maybe good, but definitely not the best build that carries the entire group through the incursion.
You summed up this entire incident perfectly.
I have no problem with identity , that being said, you didn't do anything wrong. You only accepted a challenge. Its not even that serious. Now it looks like they are salty.
Also not sure if it was brought up anywhere, but that same build was already posted by TuxidoBandido like 3 months back, and he interpreted it in a much better way, acknowledging that the build won't beat a 6-red build in dps, but just easier to use and more utility/flexibility, which I liked.
ruclips.net/video/8OI0VGcQsIc/видео.html
Yeah atleast with tuxido he's atleast objective with his builds,tbh if you want to look for funky/different builds the guy to look for makes soo much different stuff.
tuxedo makes builds to have fun. identity makes the most bullshit outlandish claims
Kudos to you! You are 100% correct. Sadly, now here in the USA, they teach kids in school that anybody who has an opinion that differs from one's own is a bully and "toxic". I was taught as you say. Mistakes are going to happen. Own up to the mistake and learn from it. Everybody is human, nobody is perfect.
if you throw down the gauntlet; prepare to get slapped.
besides this tomfoolery, you don't need an "apology" video for making a mistake, you just rectify it.
Knowing how fans are, they are gonna get personally offended on his behalf. And I don’t specifically mean his fans, just fans in general can’t handle truth that the content creator they like can be wrong sometimes (or all the time if your a division build channel who doesn’t test numbers but we don’t talk about that)
That goes both ways as well.
Breath of fresh air. We are in a world where people dealing with numbers are taking things personal. You cannot be trusted if you feel attacked and insulted when the numbers are wrong or arent used properly. As the saying goes “it just doesn’t add up”
I have said in my own videos about little builds I put together, I hate the firing range it is not a fair or accurate way to do it any build I do I stream my self doing a full mission to show it in action.
Nice video glad someone else has said it thought I was the only one who was suspicious of his maths but I didn’t comment as I didn’t want to take the risk of getting called a bully.
So the old adage "You can't fix stupid" still stands 🤣
Moving along. Peace all.
You can't take some one seriously when he says "factual" and "he doesn't calculate numbers" in same video. I used to respect this dude, but after that video, the cheer fuckin hubris .
FACTS DONT CARE ABOUT PERSONAL EMOTION CRY ABOUT IT great video mate 👍
Or….what would be awesome. You two get together and run a mission together with your builds….why? To focus on the diverse nature of the game and the common enjoyment of the game. What this game is missing is a bit of class. This would be one way to display it.
I agree with everything you said. Thank you for making the video. Cheers!
People lie numbers won’t.
Well said Dod, keep up the content, much love from down under 👍
Good on ya mate. Big fan of your work.
I watch creators like you when I want to find out what is "best." Numbers don't lie. I watch other creators when I want to find out about other options, which may work great, and may even work "better" for me. But I know they are not the "best" ... and that is fine. That's part of what makes this game fun.
That part. After 5k hours in this game, making different type builds is sometimes the only reason I log on
@@1onesix
Valid and I concur. I don't play much anymore. However I realize there has been a trend going on for a while. If people pay close enough attention, they can actually see the difference between content creators who are putting out content for the community while holding themselves accountable to what they put out/state and those who use clickbait titles to views to make a profit. I'm not knocking anyone who is using this platform to feed themselves or achieve their dreams. But we as humans have to recognize when people are sensationalizing many of their titles because let's face it... there are 100s of content creators for The Division community, and not enough actual content to make unique and attractive videos.
The problem with the original video in question is that the content creator made a bold claim about the build he was presenting. Then issued a challenge on top of that. Pride and ego can get in the way of genuine motivation to bring something fun/dope/different to the community. If there was no..."this is better than an all red striker build...", this wouldn't have come to this.
And content creators are motivated to do those kinds of things because they want views, clicks and engagement so that they can profit on YT.
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@@mackc.8455 I concur as well. Some build videos people make don't work as well as they say or there are stipulations or certain buffs used to make them better. Most of it is click-bait. Those of us who are day 1 agents we seen most builds already. So no this skill tier striker doesn't hit harder than an all red striker but it's a pretty good alternative for pve
@@mackc.8455 whoa buddy. Summarize.
It's unfortunate this whole thing had to be done in the first place. I think you hit the big points pretty well.
There's nothing bad about his build. It's is a strong viable build that people can use if they want. I will certainly try it in the open world or in heroic (maybe legendary) missions.
The only problem here is the claim that came with the build. "More dps than any all red striker build". If these claims were never made, the video would be a great guide to an unconventional build most players wouldn't even think to try.
The fact that he changed the build almost completely in his response further proves he was wrong.
I have no ill will towards the guy but it is frustrating to see someone die on a hill where they are clearly and obviously incorrect.
Sometimes people refuse to acknowledge any evidence presented that contradicts their belief, and sadly that is happening here.
Unfortunately he thinks using a ninjabike backpack is an upgrade
That last point is actually a good description of cognitive dissonance.
A striker skill build is not a thing 😭. Slapping on 6 skill tiers on doesn't make it a skill build. Yes, you can run what he posted in missions but think about this "you'd almost never have full stacks of striker, if you're not playing on legendary or have a fuck ton of enemies to stack with, so where, when and why would you even use this build?
@@blackquincy5073well striker actually works well with skill tiers as the striker stacks apply to skills
@@bazookas.unfortunately striker stacks only apply to weapon damage. If they did work for skills, that would make Identity's build probably do more dps than just a normal strikers build. Unless you meant to say the capacitor stacks?
Have run with Raucy before in hardcore. Great guy and a pleasure to run with. Great video as always sir!
yeah, i did see that video and i chuckled. was like no way it's possible to hit harder than a red build as a skill build in strikers. The numbers just isn't there for weapon damage and definitely not there skill damage. now if the devs put in something a kin to a striker but stacks up skill damage sure i'd see that being a bit better than an all read strikers build, but there's no such thing
Very well done. ID actually made another video this morning on this subject trying to once again just get views from his subs. The backlash was so brutal that he deleted it. 😆😆😆
People need to grow a pair of stones, someone says your wrong with evidence double check the evidence if you were wrong hold your hand up, not sit with your community crying and witch hunting because you cant take criticism
The first video he dropped was already bad enough on its own, there was literally NO POINT in making that second video, not only did he switch up the original build, the "updated version " was worse in my opinion. He should have taken his L like a champ and fixed his error.
Comment for traffic
Best regards from Germany 🇩🇪
IDentiity, has posted an updated video to his striker skill build. He mentioned that he made an error (ie. F/I buff being active).
He also modify his striker skill build, to a 3 pc striker with ninja bike,, picaros and fox prayer.
Very well said. Clearly these are points that apply to everyone He and his community are not being singled out at all, especially after a pubic challenge. Sometimes I wonder if some creators have some secret union or something with an unspoken/hidden rule about never messing with each others' content and info. This is not the first time you got backlash. 100% agree that misleading the public is a terrible thing to do, deliberate or not. It should take precedence over any sort of agreement. . Bravo for proiding the players with facts, time and again. Edit: a lot of grammar work.
About that secret unspoken rule. Well yes there is kind of something like that which is why some of the division 1 OGs left div 2. Edit and they went to the game with an even bigger content creator co-op lul.
@@jewelplate It lists you as FluffyCorgi, now i want a FluffyCorgi. But on topic, I think iDentity didn't really have to give some dramatic apology, he could joke about it or keep it chill but at the same time still saying he messed up. "Okay guys, I'm an idiot, this isn't the best DPS, my buds were buffing me a bit too much" and we move on.
@@PizzaTime727 we all want a fluffy corgi in our lives.. maybe 10 :)
All 12 people on the game got angry
"Numbers don't lie"
Sometimes its like talking to a wall. He puts out information about status effect threshold numbers that are incorrect or which weapon hits the hardest in terms of damage per bullet and hes also wrong. He just put out a video in reference to the same two topics and again, I put out the threshold numbers for him to understand when hes putting out misinformation. But those that spent time and dedication putting information or even researching the information is wrong and toxic and his words are are gospel. Which is why Im like fuck it, cant fix stupid.
This is the generation we live in. Offering a counter point to a discussion proving someone wrong is somehow toxic when it should be seen as educational and a chance to better oneself and in this case elevate his content. Society though and the internet in general that doesn't happen. Mostly because it allows people to connect with other individuals who share a common views even if they are wrong. To them the acceptance is more important then whether they are actually right or not. You continue to do you. Those who want accurate info on the game and want to be better at it will continue to come here and channel like it. Those less knowledgeable will flock to the clickbait BS that is Div 2 content creation.
@1:25 of his video "the build showcased did not hit harder then an all-red striker" but is literally in the video title.. oh nvm, he changed the title kekw
It's the Internet , from that instant you accepted the challenge I could have told you the direction this was headed. It always turns out like this. What was Identity,s initial response?
Remind me of real life colt or crazy religious people, that no matter what you gonna do to show them that they wrong, TO HELP THEM BE BETTER, they just not gonna care, and they gonna stay with there opinions. That very sad. but ye you can't help people who don't want your help friend.
Any way thanks for helping the community seen the truth. ❤
i had ppl like that in my clan, act like they know all have best builds etc... and when i prove them wrong im toxic and i just wanna start a arguement. Ppl be weird for no reason.
To be frank to iDentity, from what i can gather, he's made a "build-uation" setup and doubled down on being incorrect while stating everything he said as fact. The best course of action was for him to just let it go, an "I'm sorry", and not try to call it a "controversy" and claim toxicity due to being told and proven wrong (because that causes the worst outcomes, usually).
This isn't a good look for him or the community. But i hope things can be thought over and gotten over.
The saddest part was the comments for his follow up video. So many people with terrible comments saying you are elitist or that you take the fun out of the game and that it’s just a game why do you (Dod) take the game so seriously. There were people defending you though! Just too bad because so many defended him and his video. Part of the problem with people these days. Also check out Born2Game and his take on why he is never going to run the incursion again. It’s hilarious because he is crying about it the whole time.
On one of his older live streams he didn't even know what one of the specializations did!
One thing about that build along with pretty much all his others is he isn’t thinking outside the box. That build isn’t his anyways it’s been around since the capacitor released. It is a good build but it’s not on par with his claims about it
Prime example of usage of the scientific method vs emotional bias.
Ahh my favorite saga.
why can we just make a vid and say here is a build that works and hope you enjoy..instead of hey here is the most op meta highest dps build in the game to blow up king kong with lol..I mean really....crazy.....anyways....good vid keep it up man...
To be truely ashamed of being wrong just be Neville Chaimberlain
You're not my real Dad.... don't tell me what to do!!
Nope we are just all haters for telling the truth.
Earlier he did have some interesting builds,dont know what happened but now the guy is trash
IdentityUS is the king of hyperbole and disinformation. He always opens with a HUGE statement that he presents as fact. Usually doubles and triples down on whatever he’s decided is the new hotness that only he has discovered.
Identity is a hype man, that man has the undefeated ability to present literally anything as the best 😂
Did he take down the analysis video of fow calculations
Im returning after quite some time but relearning everything atm LOL what does overcharge do?
Gives very strong buffs to your skills, you can see the effects overcharge gives to each skill when viewing the skill in-game.
@PaladinBones thank you I was thinking something along those lines
You can’t show case a build saying it does more Dmg then a red version of it during a ge!! And deff not the zombie ge!!! lol lol a freaking grey handy gun will 2 tap a npc in the head during the zombie ge lol lol
Also Roucy is a great dude too we raid together back when I did tons of raids man we had good times together
I just subbed bc you called him out. 🤙🤙🤙
As always numbers don't lie but I guess there's folks out there can't count
😇 I never thought about the double tap I just use regulus headhunter nice play ggs don’t die
😂 yo that joke in the beginning was hilarious. You could of ended the video there 👏👍
I have a few questions for you, is it possible to talk with you not here but on messenger?
There is, though, surprisingly, I get 50 + messages a day. I do read them all, though I can't possibly reply to them
You didn't bring "toxicity", you exposed immaturity.
Thank you for being honest and a truth seeker!
i've seen both side of this
i can understand ur POV of missleading ppl in a game u and other ppl love
but from what i see in both vids, that you seem to miss, is that the build is ment to be ran in a team to get the buffs to make it strong, to make it work
his new updated version of the build looks better and u could get away with runing it solo (with a few mod changes) it's still best to run it in a team
FYI im back from a 3-4 year brake from div2
the point about the buffs isn't that they won't happen. yes you can think of a build reaching full potential in a group setting with 3 teammates wearing the coyote's mask to buff your crit numbers, among other things. but if you are going to do that then the idea of an 'all red build' also shifts. that build will also just leave crit chance in the 30s and bump everything into crit damage. in which case, if the all red variant also takes into account team buffs, it will still out-dps the skill striker.
ID made another video "addressing the community" is really bad. Lol
The word for today is ACCOUNTABILITY.
Not only for today, but for eternity.
cmon man just becasue hes black doesnt mean you have to prove him wrong, society now days is crazy !!!!!111111!!!!! ROFL
Nailed it.
People are stubborn man there’s a lot of people like it in this game and identity and his community are proof of that
You sound like my mom, mommy!
People identity isn’t the first to say a striker skill build is stronger then a all red one, and to be honest i think the skill striker build is better
Better in what regard exactly?
It’ll be better if you want to take less damage yourself, as your skills will draw enemy attention off you.
But the damage you deal yourself won’t be better.
He addressed the buff issue later in the vid you just didnt watch it to that point. Either way. I hope this just squashed cos its dumb at this point.
The issue that I had is, yes, Identity did address the buff issue in his second video, however, he didn't apologise for not noticing those buffs
Yes it’s dumb. To the point that I personally won’t watch anything from Identity again. He’s evasive, prone to hyperbole and his builds aren’t new when he says they are. Nor do they do more DPS.
I guess I could be the only person unfollowing. But I doubt it.
Integrity matters to some of us. To others, not so much.
@@aaronsinspirationdaily4896 Sometimes I wonder if its just to fund his game he claims he is making. Idk but his vids do seem...condescending? Arrogant? Maybe its his delivery?
I have a 6 skill tier striker build , everything rolled to Skill DMG , I run turret drone and oxi, I run Wyvern Chest with Tag Team. I love this build it does excellent DMG ; now out DPS an all red striker ? I don’t know but I rarely go down and am usually #1 or #2 in DMG numbers at the end of missions .
The build was built out of needing to kill the launchers at the end of Tidal due to my teammates dying trying to kill launchers whilst getting sniped by The Dogs
I’ll never claim my build outdoes anybody else’s build but it works for me and I love it
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Could had used repair skill with striker. Bag and been more valuable
Great explanatory video. I’m glad you kept it respectful.
He doesn't even understand why he's being "hated". You cant just lie about how effective builds are then claim its just for fun and a game
He’s needs to move on, he is very very childish!! He doesn’t care! He just wants click bait!!
Ta mate😊
Hi
Going off topic,
Is it hf hh ?
what weapons were you using in this video?
Thanks in advance
Ouroboro
Obliterate and unstoppable force
You can see the talents proc repeatedly
@@IYIENACE thanks a lot.
I took glimpses of the video, was listening and doing something else, i didn’t even remember that I could look at the talents icons (silly me).
That leads to another question, which chest/backpack?
Thanks in advance
Cheers
Rolls 🙄..
Factual 😆
If you are wrong and you admit your are wrong are you being toxic to yourself?
I hope its your last video about this, what imo, became another drama for clickbaits started by him.
omg what an irrelevant topic.... and I am watching it.. aaaaah..
Self aware joke is self aware . . . .
You guys are playing vidoegames... chill.
Irrelevant, grow up.
@@maxdrags3115 I'm asking him to grow up... so not irrelevant. People are getting way to upset or worked up on social media. Who gives a shit what other streamers claim. To be "disappointed" and "angry" is ridiculous.
@@caldepen372I have to ask you, how do you think a majority of new players get their builds? Because I would say that they search youtube for 'Division 2 best builds' or something along those lines, and the videos they are shown will inherently be videos from the bigger and most viewed channels for Division 2. One of the biggest channels for Division 2 put out this video in question, which was proven wrong in a lot of ways. Do you think it's appropriate to mislead people like that?
@@liamwells2132 Sure, but the reaction is way over the top. On top of that the context has to be looked at. I took it that the streamer meant it hit harder in totality. If you combine the damage from the capacitor, from the 6-tier turret and the 6-tier drone on one target, I find in testing it is very comparable to an all red build but hard to test. To be this faux upset is not helpful.
@@caldepen372 May I just ask what reaction is over the top? Because the only reaction Dod had was to take on the challenge, prove him wrong, show and say how he was wrong and then after Identity made the second video, Dod responded with why this is a big deal for Identity.
As for your second statement, Identity did mean that his build does more damage than an all red striker's build in total damage (weapon+skills). However, Dod did the maths and proved that exact sentiment to be wrong. Because it may be difficult to test in the range, but using the calculations that the game uses, outside of the game (like Dod did in his spreadsheets), you can come up with the highest numbers that each build can theoretically hit. Now I would also say that since there are more variables to achieve the highest possible total damage using the strikers skill build (since you are getting damage from three completely separate sources), that would therefore make the optimum damage uptime on an all red striker's build higher than the uptime on the skill strikers build.
Identity's strikers skill build is not a bad build by any means, but it's damage isn't comparable to an all red striker's build
\> expecting an American to admit they're wrong and make up for it
That's where you're wrong, kiddo. And I say that as an American, we haven't been taking responsibility for jack shit since 1776.
Imagine being dumb enough to think this only applies to Americans 🤦🏼
If you really wanna be toxic watch his newest build video on a healer build made of ongoing directive.
His voice irks me
Thanks for all you do!👍🏻
Ya me and my buddies had a heyday laughing at both of his videos because of woefully bad they were.
bro your community is not asking you to be build Sherriff and prove other creators wrong. its better to leave other in their bliss of ignorance. I'm pretty sure his challenge was rhetorical. I barely watch his videos and now i have had the pleasure to watch his videos twice, because you have to prove yourself right or an adult.
who cares about that build.
You should just do your thing and leave them to their own devices. This is one of the worst part of the community. this bickering nonsense. Is silly.
I choose my build and play the game, because it is just a game. my awareness and experience is way more important than my build.
FYI your life lesson doesn't hold true. show a politician or the police their wrong see how adult they are.
In the future you should tell your viewers to go hand off on the comments, or maybe not do video at all. I mean do you really care about his community? honestly.
Its a game, right?
the thing isn't that iDentity used a bad build
he just made it seem as if it
1. was his own creation
2. was better than full red striker
3. good for the incursion
which is all wrong
the problem here is that people (especially beginners) will copy the build, use it and then get kicked from everything because the build isn't suited for the incursion or raids, etc.
So one of the biggest Division 2 content creators, didn't put any work into properly testing his build, and then decided to put the massively bold claim out there, that said build does more damage 'than any all red strikers build', inherently spreading that misinformation to 10's of thousands of people. But the guy that in a respectful but to the point way (that people somehow mistake for toxicity), accepts the challenge, does the full maths and comes back with the conclusion that the build does not beat even the most ordinary all red strikers build, while showing all his work, this person is somehow more problematic to the division community than the person who has the much larger reach and influence that has spread misinformation. Then when proven to have done that, not only doesn't apologise at all for his actions, but actually doubles down on those claims.
I know which type of person I would rather in the community.
There isn't any problem with running whatever build you have fun with and/or enjoy, but there are so many problems with lying, that is the issue we have.
Identity could have simply apologised for his mistakes and we would all move on, and quite frankly I think everyone would gain massive respect for him if he did that
@@bazookas. for what its worth... pretty sure anyone that goes into a raid with this build is gonna hear a lengthy seminar in why its bad and what the meta raid build is at the moment.
@@sixeightwhiskey0627 exactly, thats why advocating such a build is baf
@@liamwells2132 who cares about identity and hid build. if you bother to test this build it wont take very long to decide if it is trash. so user beware.. do the test, if you make it work in content then you can use it...only a matter of time before you hear about before you enter a raid.
then there's a character check. what does a player do when they are told they cant use a build to run raids. are they gonna accept the input and put on the meta build or will the rage and moaan about it.
thats part of raids.. agent interaction before, during, and after a raid.
my point, is that you should play the game and get better. the game tells what to do, all you need to do is read. Your experience and awareness will make most builds work for most content. Then you use your imagination and try different combos. if you want look at creator content, but dont be militant about it.
its a game ..right
Why are you addressing us who follow him? Do we care? Lol. It's a game 😂😂
You probably should
@@unsubme2157 why?
i mean you care enough to watch this video.
not throwing shades here but you know you lost the argument when you move the goalpost from “better than red builds” to “let people have fun you elitist spreadsheet nerd”
@@thanhhungvo2649 I actually watched the first 60 seconds and turned it off lol
@@1onesix its pretty common sense that if youre looking for info youd want it to be accurate
I get both sides as the number's guy it's kind of like someone who has OCD so when you hear something wrong you can't help but correct it. That part I understand identity did not explained his build all the way? I did get it I run skill Striker a lot and know how much MORE damage when skills are put in2. IT!! He made a FOLLOW up video explaining that. Now whether you meant to or not your explanation and deliverance of the era it's what deemed you Toxic ? A but in your defense I know it's just like someone taking a nail 2 a board or Screeching metal sound 😂😂😂😂
Let me preface this, what I'm going to say isn't a shot at you.
There isn't anything wrong with using a skill strikers build, however, claiming that it does more damage than an all red strikers build, without actually testing whether it does, is ridiculous and misinforming anyone that views Identity's video. Also, Dod has, with maths, the exact same maths that the game will use to calculate the damage of builds, proven that the 6 skill tier strikers build will never do more damage than a properly crafted all red build. Identity's follow up video with the ninja bike bag and sniper turret is actually a far worse build, dps wise, than his first skill strikers build. Because not only are you relying on hitting 100% headshots with his second build to do optimum dps, but what happens when you encounter an enemy that you can hit headshot damage on, like a helmeted enemy, or a warhound. Even in the incursion that he was making the build for, headshot damage doesn't apply to the turret generators, the heads of the chungas (until you break their armoured helmet that is), the drones throughout the incursion or the cleaner rusher's shields. Whereas a well made all red strikers build does very similar damage to all of those targets. Like I said at the start, there isn't anything wrong with using a hybrid build, or a build that you find fun, because everyone that plays the game wants to have fun and enjoy it in their own way and that's fantastic! However, making extremely false claims, misinforming players that are either new, or don't want to go the extra mile to test the dps themselves, and then when proven wrong with undeniable facts, doubling down and act like he wasn't wrong and did nothing wrong and everyone pointing out his factual errors is 'toxic' or 'needs to chill out', is an absolutely terrible and childish way of responding.
In short, use whatever builds work for you and your play style, there isn't anything at all wrong with that, just don't make unproven and false claims, especially when you have a large audience.
Have a great day agent!
ID just want make more viewer with that video.. and he challenge everyone to prove it wrong.. thats why people trying to prove it wrong
Lol😅
A lot of rambling that could've been summarized into a 3 minute video...
Not for the mass majority of people.
Identity put out a video admitting he was wrong and had made mistakes in his calculation. What’s the big deal ffs?
He also said that he’s doubling down on his statement that the 6 tier striker build is better in the same video...
The big deal is people are on youtube trying to look up factual information not what you THINK is amazing. Real facts. Real stats. Real damage. It's great to think outside the box and make unique builds sure but some things are simply better.
You guys are so silly.