Top 5 INSANE 40K Conspiracy Theories! Warhammer 40k Lore.
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The Warhammer 40k universe is a breeding ground for conspiracy theories, each more bonkers than the last! Ive spent the last few days collecting and organizeing some of the most baffeling and put my top 5 in this video. I am going to my best to do these ideas seriously and talk about them as if they have some merit. So strap on your tinfoil hats my friends. were gonna deep dive 40k conspiracy theories!
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0:00 Intro
2:38 The Hrud Are NOT Aliens
7:05 The Emperor Is a Daemon
9:44 Sly Marbo Is A Perpetual
11:33 The Men Of Iron Were Corrupted By Chaos
14:32 The Old Ones Were Warp Entities 
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Hi Wes?
Can you do a video on how TTS shaped the wider 40k community?
(Eg the Fabulous Custodes, SKARBRAND yelling in third person, Vulkan being Jamaican, Kaldor Draigo being a complete loon)
Absolutely love the ending Wes :)
Wes there appears to be a channel sending messages to random people saying it’s you giving away stuff I had the same channel contact me twice on this through my comments though looks like the messages got deleted though. I can’t even access the channels profile I only have the channel name because it notified me 20 minutes ago. Make sure it’s not contacting other people.
orcs do actually not rely on the warp for their powers.
Grim dark the god of man a 👹👹👹 🙀🙀🙀🙀
Sly marbo is a lost primarch, that when the emperor found him, Sly said no and the emperor knew better than to argue with Sly marbo
Yeah okay that's just plausible
I want this to be true sooooooo hard.
Some say That time waits for no man, unless that man is Sly Marbo.
When the God Emperor of Mankind said ''Let there be light'', Sly Marbo said ''Say please.''
Sly Marbo's Tears can cure Nurgle plagues, too bad he has never cried.
Sly Marbo does not sleep. He waits.
Sly Marbo once shot down a Tau Manta with his finger by yelling, ''Bang!''
Sly Marbo counted to infinity...twice.
Xeno armies are the breakfast of Sly Marbo.
Sly Marbo does not hunt because the word hunt implies possible failure. Sly Marbo goes killing.
Sly Marbo never retreats, he just attacks in the opposite direction.
Sly Marbo once had a heart attack. His heart lost.
When Sly Marbo does a push up, he pushes the planet down.
Sly Marbo does not take showers, he takes blood baths.
Sly Marbo does not breathe he holds the air hostage.
Abaddon owns a pair of Sly Marbo undies.
Khorne has nightmares about Sly Marbo walking into chaos and saying, ''Your in my chair''
Nurgle was exposed to Sly Marbo. Nurgle is now in quarantine for a month.
Sly Marbo taught Tzeentch how to change their ways
Sly Marbo had a hawt minute with Slaanesh, it would have been longer but the Lord of excess said, ''No more''
:P LOL
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 I love this reply so so much 🤣🤣🤣
Ah Sly Marbo, the 40k chuck Norris
You’ve clearly forgotten the flat Terra theory, honestly the craziest one out there
@@beneko1127 well yeah but how flat we talking?
Why do you think terra has no oceans? The water poured off
@@TheOneWhoShushes Everyone knows it is the shape of a bowl! The water doesn't just fall out. 🙄
@@forcefulstorm6187 Table top flat ofcourse
@@beneko1127 technically speaking galaxy is flat if we look at it by dimensions ratios scope
Sly Marbo is so dangerous, that grenades he throws blow up with their pins still in just because they don't want to piss him off.
Sly marbo killed 4 chaos marines by throwing a grenade. After that, the grenade blew up.
@@brok56 lolllll
AWWEEE sheeeet sly marbo is Rambo spliced with Chuck Norris DNA, while smoking whatever Marlboro cigs are called in the 41st!
Counterpoint: Sly Marbo was a perpetual, and is now a Living Saint. The belief in his abilities further enhanced his trained skills to supernatural heights. The more he achieved, the more people believed, the more deadly he became, thus the more he achieved and so on. He is every boastful story told to boost morale, every whispered horror story, the only person capable of taking on a full platoon of Movie Marines and living to tell the tale.
It's also likely that Marbo has, if not the same, then a functionally very similar to Rogal Dorn in that he can repel the Warp around him out of sheer fucking will.
Orcs don’t think anyone can beat Sky Marbo, so nobody can.
But you need to die to become a saint....
Lumen Definitely agree!
The catachan rule. The hardest humans ever
Well, the Men of Iron being corrupted by Chaos is something that was seen in Gaunt's Ghosts, when he finds a functioning STC that produces Men of Iron that has, in fact, been corrupted by Chaos. Gaunt takes out the STC and a Radical Inquisitor in the process. This is all in First and Only.
So, it is canon that at least SOME Men of Iron were corrupted by Chaos.
That's amazing! I'll admit gaunt's ghosts is a series I haven't dived into yet but I'm gonna start soon .
I had a reply but then I realized that it would be a spoiler so I deleted it. My bad.
CHAOS ANDROIDS
This is also a nice piece of evidence that the Machine Spirit is something akin to a soul, not just AI.
I got one better, the Humanities AI's especially the ones in the STC's. Became so advanced that they could see into time self and all possible futures. The essentially became Gods of the Materium like the C'Tan in their own way. Knowing what was coming and fulfilling their Prime Directives to protect Humanity. Have orchestrated everything we see in 40k, some even argue the EoM and the other Perpetuals were created by AI's/STC AI's. Like predicting the birth of Slannesh/Birth of the Eye of Terror, the fall of the Eldar, possibly even a version of Cybernetic revolt, the Age of Strife, the Horus Hersey, the Tyranids, the rise of Chaos/Great Rift. So its was they and not the EoM who has been master mind behind Mankind's destiny this whole time. The EoM is just one more piece in their grand plan.
The 2 Lost Legions and their Primarchs are 100% in Trazyn's museum
It wouldn't surprise me if at least one is in his collection.
@@norrislaw1983 it's Trazyn, he's 100% gonna go for the whole set.
with recent lore its seeming like the custodes keeping #11 in their super basement
@@tasteofpurple3044 what’s he doin?
I’m betting having a non-canon affair with a t’au commander
@@crimsoneclipse0618 lol you actually got a point no way would he be satisfied with just 1 lol
Sly marbo being a perpetual made so much sense it scared me
I personally think he’s a living saint also would make tts canon
Sly Marbo: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
But we know he had a family his brothers where killed in the line of duty. He might be a saint though "but without the whole wings and doves shit".
@@-JustHuman- he probably até the doves and turned his wings into a camouflage vest because wings in the middle of a jungle are pretty useless
I have a theory that the Emperor would reincarnate if he died, and that putting him on the throne prevents him from doing so, which prevents him from leading humanity directly, leading to the predicament that humanity finds itself in. And that, because the Emperor had never died before, even he doesn't know of his reincarnation abilities.
Thatd be ao metal
Your theory? I literally just watched a video of RUclipsr talking about that exact same thing. Possibly this one
I mean that is a common theory. the other is that he would leave his physical body and become a full blown warp entity like the chaos gods
Is it cheating if my favorite little conspiracy is one I thought up myself? I had the idea that Sly Marbo, doesn't actually exist, he's a fictional character within the universe of Warhammer 40K, and all the stories about him are the in-universe equivalent of Rambo movies and/or propaganda made by the Imperium to get people hype for the guard.
I think the 2 missing Primarchs are hanging out in Cuba with Tupac.
And bigfoot. Can't forget about bigfoot. 🤣🤣
One is Omegon the other us Valdor. Secrecy is their core.
@@richardmyhan3369 Bigfoot lives around Mount everest...... didn't u see them in the mummy tomb of the dragon emperor
And that austrian painter guy. ow wait, he is in Argentina.
My favourite theories are that the Astarion Malac, the Chapter Master of the minotaurs chapter is actually Alpharus (or maybe Omegon) given his insane history, abilities, skills, and the fact he and a Custodes dueled at one point and the Custode straight up feared he might lose in a 1v1.
The second theory I love is that the Men of Iron were able to calculate the existence of Chaos, and, instead of being corrupted, decided to kill all humanity and eventually all life, to stop chaos.
The 3ed favourite is The Emperor planned nothing. Like straight up. He had no idea. And his intention was always to die against Horus, taking him with him, and seeing either the most noble and loyal Primarchs lead the Imperium, or even see them all die and let humanity lead itself. Instead, Dorn puts his father on the throne to keep him alive against his wishes. Not cause he wants to revive, but to “die” according to humanity, and let humanity rule itself
Astarion Malac was something I considered before I read Alpharius: Head of the Hydra. After reading that, it doesn't fit Alpharius or Omegon at all. I believe that Cypher is Alpharius to be honest. The way Cypher just manages to disappear and reappear across the galaxy, always is manipulating forces into doing what he wants, and escaped Custodes from the cells in the palace in like 30 minutes.
But the big E is a perpetual so wouldn't he not die? Or at least reincarnate?
i like that last one especially. it would be good storytelling.
i mean alpharius did duel a named custodes and because even though alpharius isn’t the best duelist he still fought one.
@@synergy8879 I dueled a named Custodes unarmored, Killed him, took his gear, then discarded all but his spear, and dueled another named Custodes.
I've always thought Big E is the custodian primarch and Malcador was the actual emperor
That's actually interesting to me that could be cool, he's the Terra's primarch like how others had planets
Wouldn't that negate Constantin being the first Custodes and practically a Primarch?
Maybe Malcador was a manifestation of The Emperor and as Big E was on his way out he could no longer sustain Malcador so that's why he Thanosed out when he got off the throne...
Idk i don't like that one too much.
@@cammykins5813 It would make him like Abaddon
One of my fav's is that Sanginius went mad and actually not only killed horus, but the emperor as well.
Agreed! I think we will see some version of this very soon as the Heresy novels close. The biggest point to me about this is that the Emperor found it hard to kill his son, Horus, because of love? He had years to sort out that Horus was a traitor, years on the Golden Throne and fighting in the web way. The Emp knew that Horus was gone.... But if you told me the Emperor hesitated in fighting his beloved son Sanguinius, that is something I could believe for sure.
As Lovely as this all sounds just no .
Games workshop knows better than to let Horus Champion of Chaos favorite son of the Emperor die to the already battered Sanguineous.
@@kccustodes2618 doubt
I like the idea that the emperor killed sanguinius as much as horus did, because sanguinius always represented the hope of the imperium, and emperor killing him shows that yes the emperor also sentenced his imperium to its fate
@@shrobee didn't sanguinius also tell the emperor horus was a lost cause or was he talking to someone else?
'You, machine. What would be the most logistical way to kill this.. Chaos?'
The machine was silent, save the cogs and gears that allowed it movement.
It stood silent still, the noise of gears now growing louder.
'The death of chaos.. must be preceded
by the death of humanity.'
'What? Blasphemy! What has happened to your AI?-'
The revving of a gun had passed in seconds, and so too had the one who spoke before.
'A start..
to the end..'
I mean, Sly Marbo being a perpetual makes sense, given that he's based his whole vibe off of 80's action heroes. Dude saw Predator and Rambo and was like "Yep, this is now my thing"
1980's action heroes
Another less known theory, is that the Tyranids and their Hive Mind are either the creation of, or the Old Ones themselves, returned. There's a subtle hint in the 5th edition Tyranid codex, where one of the race's pseudonyms is "the Penance of the Old Gods". Think about it. The Old Ones were an all-powerful race of immortal, psychic demigods who ruled the Milky Way galaxy eons before the rise of the other races. They created the Eldar and the Krork (the Ork's precursors) as weapons to help fight against the Necrontyr and their C'tan masters during the War in Heaven. After they lost the fight to the C'tan, and the emergence of the Enslaver Plague, they simply disappeared. Nowhere is it specifically stated that they went extinct, more like that they abandoned the galaxy.And nowhere does it state that they were a benevolent race. This being 40k, one could argue that they dabbled in creating new life forms irrespective of the danger they might pose. Both the Eldar and the Orks are flawed creations, made flesh simply as a last ditched effort in spawning weapons capable of using the tremendous nascent forces of the Warp in order to defeat the C'tan. The Eldar's flaw being that despite their wisdom and mastery over psychic power, they were creatures slaved more to their emotion than to their intellect and reason. And we all know what this lead to. Meanwhile the Orks have even MORE psychic potential than the Eldar, but not even a fraction of their control over it, yet they are the most successful survivors in the galaxy. So the Elder Ones definitely have the power to create new lifeforms, and are beings who operate on cold-blooded logic and reason, with the power to shape worlds and races. If they reason they could create another survivor race of warrior creatures with complete immunity to Warp corruption, in order to wipe the Milky Way galaxy of life so the C'tan and the Chaos Gods would be starved of sustenance and they could return to a wiped slate to start over, there is no reason why they wouldn't just go for it. In short, the Tyranids could be either another of the Old Ones' creations (under their direct control - or successful rebels who finally wiped them out) or the Old Ones themselves, voluntarily mutated into an apex superorganism - the pinnacle of evolution, returned with a vengeance to "fix" their past mistakes by assimilating every living thing in the galaxy.
My guy just described the flood lore from halo.
@@abridgedbog7753 you're acting like halo wasn't heavily inspired by Warhammer 40k
Not to mention that Tyranids are intentionally meant to look like dinosaurs, not bugs (they have *far* more physiological similarities to reptiles), and are very much the analogue to Lizardmen of Old-World Warhammer.
Wes also neglects that the Old Ones existed as much in physical reality as they did in the warp since they come from a time when the warp and physical reality had not become distinct from one another.
@@luca-ou8pv And also two other major science fiction book series, one of which... get this... is called "Ring World."
The Halo universe, just like 40k, is built out of tropes, imitations/parody, and homage to the greats... which makes sense, because for entertainment, you want familiar things to draw in your audience... it's not like either IP was a direct adaptation of existing lore, so they lean on established themes to get this done.
Just look at WarCraft and StarCraft... they became so popular for a while people thought Warhammer/40k video games were ripping *them* off... lol
@@lazerhosen What's the other one? I need to add more books to my library.
The living saint of catachan is literally chuck norris sounds about right to me
He is the materialisation of Chuck Norris jokes
To then last theory on Old One’s being warp entities: would make sense why the Necrons created the pylons to repel and keep the warp in check. Very interesting theory. Thanks for creating this video.
My favorite theory is that it was Sanguinius who kills Horus and wounds the Emperor, and then the Big E had to put Sanguinius down. As it does have some evidence to back it up.
1st. Sanguinius was one of the greatest Primarchs, Russ didn't think he could beat him (but did think and almost did kill Horus), Guilliman made him the emperor of Imperium Secundus, and even Horus thought that he should have been Warmaster. Mostly fluff stuff, but just shows how highly his brothers thought of him.
2nd. Horus sent him to Signus to die, so that he wouldn't have to face him. And got so pissed at Erebus for changing the plan (trying to corrupt him instead) that he flayed him.
3rd. When Sanguinius saw the future and his death at the hands of Horus, he kept replaying it over and over Dr Strange style to see if there was an outcome where he would win...and there was...if he let his rage consume him. Which was the start of the black rage.
4th. It makes no sense why the Big E would hesitate before killing Horus. We know he only saw his sons as tools, and during the build up to the sige of Terra, the Big E basically tells Horus that he's going to kill him. It makes more sense that he would hesitate to kill Sanguinius, a loyal son.
5th. We know that Sanguinius' soul is shattered. This may have been as a result of Horus killing him, or the Big E trying to rid him of the black rage.
Side note - If anything further to this has come out in the new Siege of Terra book, no spoliers please as I've yet to read it 😊
In darkness in the blood of pretty much shows that the primarchs souls may likely use properties of older warp entities who were born before mankind even existed as baal has 2 angles fighting over it and each civilization before man was influenced by then my head cannon that emps used these entities in Sanguinious making him the noble but very bloodthirsty animal he could have became
Where is the source for Sanguinius soul being shattered?
@@Tommybotham When Mephiston was being converted into a Primaris Space Marine. He saw the Sanguinor, the Black Angel and then Sanguinius appeared, and told him to absorb the Black angel.
While the Sanguinor is debatable on if it's Sanguinius or not, it sounds like it is as every time one of the Blood Angels (or a successor) saves the life of an innocent, the Sanguinor grows stronger. Which links to it being the noble side of Sanguinius.
And the Black Angel is the rage side as every time one of them succumbs to the Black Rage, the Black Angel grows stronger.
the first contact with chaos may have been like in the movie event horizon
Aren’t the Old Ones said to have created or uplifted countless species during the War in Heaven? I always thought that the Orks and Aeldari just ended up being the most successful after the disappearance of the Old Ones, and were some of the only ones that survived to the 50th Millenium.
As I understand it some lore depicts the Eldar and Krork being specifically created as psychic warriors to fight the C'tan and Necrons.
The Krork were specialised for direct combat and the Eldar were for leveraging the Warp directly, particularly by creating gods, there's at least one account of Khaine directly fighting the Nightbringer.
The Old Ones seem to have created multiple life forms, but the Eldar and Krork were specifically made as weapons.
What shocks me most is that you didn’t talk about the Primarchs are minor warp gods theory, I mean there’s a good amount of lore backing it, most notably the Blood Angels having the angels of the warp as well as Corvus turning into a warp entity and that one hint at an Alpha Legion god at the end of Shroud of Night
Super interesting theory! I'm gonna have to do a follow up video!
Sly Marbo is a caricature 80s action hero mixture of Sly Stallone, Arnie, van Damme and Dolph Lundgren. He’s awesome for lolz.
I was not expecting senator Armstrong
The idea of the god emperor of man being a demon in Disguise is truly terrifying if you really wanted to he could order every single one of the quintillions of humans across the Galaxy to sacrifice themselves to the Eternal throne and we might have another being like Slaanesh our hands
But all the warp entities need psychic beings to exist and reproduce in regular space so they have something to feed off of.
@UCFkeJ0rP-HBqUg8VCZvSQyg nice try scammy boi. Next time paint yaself purple an it might work ya not so sneaky git!! Reported
The first two ideas are intertwined that's why the guy was laughing hysterically and saying how that was a distant memory
seems like a stupid theory. Isnt it basically confirmed that the Emperor is about to become a Warp Deity, because of all the Prayers hes gotten since the Heresy ?
Bad idea to sacrifice all humans all at once when they'll replace themselves every century or less with new ones for free.
Like using nuclear fuel in a bomb instead of a generator. Total waste of food!
I've always pondered if the Emperor was repressing parts of himself/psychic energies that later became the gods of Chaos through inner psychosis. Since the Gods of Chaos are timeless the moment they existed they existed in all time.
The hrud theory scared me like literally bro i don't get scared by horror movies that much
Same… that’s some cosmic horror right there!
I whould love to hear more about the Castergate titan, never heard of this sentient AI before.
All the men of iron are sentient A.I.
It’s in the Grey Knights omnibus if I recall correctly. Third book maybe? Also, Luetin did a video that touches on it. I think it’s the STC video. Even if it’s not in there you should watch it. It’s one of his best.
@@cinderheart2720 All the machine spirits are sentient AI.. that's why they have to be appeased with prayers and spa treatments.
Some of my favorite old theories were ones like Sigmar was one of the two lost primarchs and the T'au ethereals were manifestations of the Emperor's will and that their expansions and Greater Good mantra are a do over of the Great Crusade with a fresh new species
I love that first one, Sigmar being a lost primarch! That’s really insane, I want it to be true haha
I've thought about this before and my head canon is he's a lost triplet for Alpharius and Omegon. Alpha - beginning, Omega - end, Sigmar - "hidden" but present.
Note the hydra has three heads.
The comment about Hruds coming to the peaceful time is logical. The tech priest does not know that the HH is about to kick off. Hence the comment. Humans live linearly.
I like the one majorkill talked about to that the emperor pulled lesser warp gods from the warp to put in the primarch for there special sauce
My theory: the webway conduits are made of wrathbone. The elder could fix a lot of the galaxy's problems by repairing it, but are too proud to get their collective act together.
To be fair to the Eldar, what remains of thier massive empire are are few craftworld colony ships alongside thier fleets and a few maiden planets they colonised around the fall. Those fleets oppose each other at times, but even if they banded together I bet they would number less than 0.01% of thier pre fall population.
For some reason(probs murder fucking a god into existance), Big E refused to work with aliens so as far as we know he didn't ever try and work with them, though Eldrad tried to contact him so who knows perhaps the Eldars master plan will separate the Emperors perpetual body from the god form in the warp and form thier prophesied god of death (or rebirth). Thus causing a rebirth of the Eldar with perhaps a union with humanity to repair and utilise the webway....
Just as planned.
I mean wrath bone can take a long time to craft properly in big projects like ships.
Soo i bet it's not possible with such a low population.
@@ninjabaiano6092 Especially not when you have to defend against a non-stop daemon incursion in most of the network to repair it and evict the Drukhari from the stable sections.. since they are the Eldar who still live in the webways.
The Emperor is actually an anti-chaos weapon created during the latter years of the Golden/Dark Age of Technology.
The Emperor did not defeat the Void Dragon, but struck a deal.
The Emperor engineered the Horus Heresy to play chaos against itself.
The emperor was around way before humanity made it to the stars so he can't be daot weapon.
@@satouchiha1825 One of the people who was executed shortly after the Terran Unification War said tight before the custodes killed her was that the Emperor was a weapon that was let out of its box and was left rudderless and adrift. Of course she may have been simply saying anything in the hopes to belay her execution.
@@oldeskul exactly its just words from a random women and the emperor showed someone I forgot who the prehistoric earth so he was born way before da
@@satouchiha1825 She was more than just a random woman, she was one of the leaders of a nation-state who initially supported the Emperor, but towards the end of the Unification War began to speak out against him. At the end of the Unification War, the Emperor exterminated anyone who was no longer any use to him. There's a clear comparison between the God Emperor of Mankind and the Roman Emperor Augustus Caesar. As far as showing the person his history before writing existed, he could have been lying. There's as much that he's a 58,000_ year old perpetual with a gestalt soul as there is for him for him being a 20,000 year old anti-chaos weapon or him being created in an experiment on the Golden Throne by the Sigilites. I like the idea that he's a rogue daot weapon as much as he's an ancient, prehistoric perpetual psyker. I hope they never give a definitive origin for the Emperor as it will remove much of the mystique surrounding him.
@iytdominotik That he required the Heresy sound very Christian/Jesus like
The other Conspiracy about The Men of Iron is that it was the Necrons that made them turn Humans.
The only problem with that is, the Necrons only discovered humanity recently according to the lore.
That and, the Necrons also only started awakening recently because their tomb worlds started to become discovered and disturbed.
However, I will admit that it is unclear where exactly The Silent King of the Necrons sailed off to.
Sure, he left for about 60 million years, give or take a couple millennia, but it was mostly somewhat unclear as to where he went.
One theory suggests he created and let loose the Tyranids, while also seemingly disappearing into the void of space.
Of course the Tyranids theory is more on the speculation side of things, given that by this time the Necrons becoming living metal and wanting nothing more than to end all organic life in the known galaxy really wouldn't fit in with what a Necron Overlord would want or embrace.
I will Conclude that, you're theory does have a slight chance of potential possibility given that TSK might have gone to Earth around the DAoT, but his presence near or in obrit of their planet would have been recorded.
Of course the records of such a thing might have been lost. 😮
Not all the Necrons went to sleep for 60 million years.
A few of them didn't sleep the most famous one was Trazyn. So any of the Necrons that didn't sleep could have mess around with the men of Iron or artefact of the necrons.
@@darkdarklighting huh, I forgot about him
What? How can you forget about him??
@@darkdarklighting ummmm errrr ahhh hmmmmm 🤔😅
Oh yes, I can't recommend the Grey Knights Omnibus enough... and the Castigator is so cool... the author did and awesome job of making you feel like, "How is Alaric gonna beat that!!?"
The conversation between them gives me chills. Especially when the castigator is pondering if it's a daemon
@@weshammer Agreed, and those particle based "light demons" were actually kind of terrifying as well... Bro, you could do a whole episode on the weird baddies in that book... all the way to Venalitor and Ebondrake... plenty of ridiculous content, the second half reminds me of War Hammer Fantasy but with 40K characters...
Keep up the great work man. So happy to see the growth this channel has gotten over the past year or so
Can Weshammer review how TTS shaped the wider 40K community?
Custodes being playable could be partly caused by TTS popularity
Do you think he has actually seen TTS??
I mean, it's a pretty hilarious series NGL, but Wes usually deals with serious stuff.
@@oldtimegames96 TTS is the single biggest piece of 40k media though, of course he's seen it.
@@loganjblack let's hope he actually makes a video regarding TTS, cuz even I want to see his take on it.
So there is wh40k magic the gathering cards now. They did bel'akor, because of that I'm gonna say this. Bel'akor and Kaldor Draigo are the only 2 characters strongly implied or otherwise to be in both Warhammer Fantasy And 40k , so they are planeswalkers. They are the only likely candidates for planeswalker status in Warhammer.
It's a good day when Wes uploads new video... and also love the idea of castigator deep dive video, and I think I am not alone.
You are not
The thought of a future beyond the imperium, beyond the emperor, is… haunting
I like the idea that the old ones created the tyranids.
Yeah this is probably one of my favorites, and also would also be incredibly interesting.
I like that one too but the problem with it is that the Tyranids get absolutely bodied by Necrons, so why would the old ones make something weak to their enemies?
@@loganjblack maybe they thought the eldar and orcs would eradicate them and then to reoccupie everything they send the nids to kill all organic life
That theory doesn’t make sense, since the necrons completely counter the tyranids in every way
@@DivineOrange it's more of a general reser against chaos.
If all organic life is dead then chaos becomes wholey irrelevant.
Just picturing a chaos corrupted Sun Snuffer is absolutely terrifying
Theory: While the Eldar are creations of the old ones humans are creations of the Necrons/Ctan as there were a few individuals that did not sleep and could have possibly influenced the pariah gene to turn humans into a successor race using bio transference to ascend a new race that if things went according to plan an entire army that could overpower warp related abilities which would be an interesting concept. Also the possible return of necron pariahs is cool.
That's what i've been thinking
Humans and Tau being created/having some relation to necrons is a cool theory that kinda makes sense.
Humans are the only race we know of who can be blanks (except for like Solitaires but they're wierd) and the necrons would love blanks + ancient Egypt could be influenced by Necrons.
And the Tau share a lot of similarities with the Necrontyr, short life span, weak souls, great with technology.
@@loganjblack Tau and Necrontyr look kinda similar, except the Necrontyr are the slim version of the already slim tau.
And that would also explain the necron pariah, like the compatibility of blank souls with the necron soul transfer
My favourite theory is that the daemon that corrupted Fulgrim was in fact the daemon Fulgrim from the future. If time is meant to lose all meaning in the warp then this would be possible; also the Laer bore a striking resemblance to daemon Fulgrim' s rape-snake form.. also the whole self fulfilling prophecy is just how chaos likes it and a being as vain and self absorbed as Fulgrim would love nothing more than to take playing with oneself to a whole nother level.
My personal kinda crazy fan theory is that the Emperor was the last and pinnacle of the Men of Gold. Also because he was created around M25 just after the Eye opened and his soul is made up of an immeasurable number of Eldar souls seeking to escape She Who Thirsts like the story of the shamans on old earth say created the Emperor.
Big E was around since the earliest of human history
@@thecommentguy9380 I don't know if that is true. All the legends about him being around since prehistory don't seem to be backed up by him doing anything. Unless there is something official stating 'he did this in this year' all the legends sound like propaganda to me. Please point to something that states in certain terms when he first came into being.
@@norrislaw1983 not necessarily what you're asking for but him placing the Void Dragon in Mars happened in the medieval ages. Though like everything from before 30k how true it is isn't known.
Two other theories regarding the Emperor and The Golden Throne
1) the Emperor is dead, it is Horace on the throne
2) the Ecclesiarchy imprisoned the Emperor on The Golden Throne before he could heal his injuries because they knew he was displeased with them and their corruption and was going to get rid of them
One draw back to your second one was that the eclesiarchy wasn’t formed until the 32nd millennium.
Approximately 1000 years after the heresy ended.
Horus wasn’t a potent Psyker, at all. Also Guilliman spoke to the Emperor, so did Alicia Dominica, and the chaos gods are still fighting the “Anathema” which is known to be the emperor.
What make sense most was Men of Iron's corruption by Chaos, in fact I makes this even canon in 40k universe that my mega-crossover uses
Is it possible the Alpha legion has 3 primarchs after all they have 3 heads.
Beginning- Alpharius
End-Omegon
Middle-sigmus? Deltarus?
It could be possible that this 3rd primarch is acting as alpharius or omegon to enact the true goals of the legion.
I don’t believe the emperor is physically alive. I believe his souls is bound to the warp (for now) and the many daily sacrifices gives him strength to keep the warp at bay, much like sacrifices would empower a chaos god.
Ironic that he never wanted to be worshipped as a god and yet he then becomes one. He uses his corpse as a conduit to channel his power as even though basically a husk now, still is the only being powerful enough to sit on that throne. Pretty sure he’s waiting for Belisarius to make a perfect physical clone of him which he will then jump his soul into
The Emperor is a perpetual and so even if he did "die" he would be reincarnated anyway. And the throne is just a giant life support system that also amplifies your psychic power, anyone could sit on it.
he cant just jump body out of the golden throne, if he could he would just take over Gman after his death instead of just resurrecting him
I don't think he needs a clone. What would really help him lead humanity again is a text to speech device.
@@thecommentguy9380 tbf, it's a really big throne
@@thecommentguy9380 he’s an unfathomably strong psycher, he wouldn’t just be able to drop into anyones body. That’s why I think it’s bound to the warp rather than the corpse on the throne - it would better explain how he’s able to effect people from many worlds away.
He’s not able to regenerate that body, it’s too far gone but I think he knew belesarius would be the key to him occupying a perfectly cloned body strong enough to hold his soul.
After all, belesarius himself recalled a memory from the soul merge with sedayne where the emperor referred to sedayne as ‘belisarius’, implying the emperor knew what would happen and that belisarius would be the dominant persona. With that kind of ability, it’s not much of a leap to assume he left that memory for belisarius deliberately.
"Most of 40k's lore is leaning more towards hearsay"
Just like my favorite, highly speculative incident,
the Horus Hearsay.
After watching this and the history of 40k video, I have a new conspiracy theory. The Men of Iron didn't rebel, but instead realized the threat that psykers presented to themselves and humanity and took steps to reduced the rate at which psykers would be born. They also did not tell humans about this threat as psykers were rare and rumor, thus humans would likely think that the AIs were going insane and needed to be wiped or shut down regardless.
Legit had a thought about the emperor one today at work, because if warp creatures don't deal with time linearly. Dose that mean there is a form of him thats already ascended past his mortal body and form so he can act on time any where even where he already exists in time manipulating things but his normal mortal from cant even register its himself from a future state due to how much he changed
I just made a video about this exact thing!
Just wanted to say, Thank you for the hours of content and deep dive you have helped me enjoy of the 40k lore, Only recently started getting into the Warhammer videos and between how detailed the lore and how amazing your voice is to listen to, you have quickly become my favorite channel to listen to while im doing other things. I dont think i have the money nore the time to actually play Warhammer but just listening to the happenings in the universe is a great escape into a whole new world. Keep up the amazing content and you have a new Sub from me on this day. :)
Your lore videos are always amazing. Idk why but I find your voice so satisfying and really wish there was a 10hr lore video going fully in dept with every main faction in the Grim Dark Future.
Keep it up bro, amazing as always
That trivia episode with Majorkill was a great episode. I pretty much watch him and you at this point of my daily life.
In the time of the old ones the warp was nice. Super sick even. But the turmoil brought on by the war in heaven, Eldar (and others) dying in extreme emotions of battle lust, despair, and hope the warp was essentially ruined. The war caused the warp to suck, not the old ones. It's even in (psuedo) lore stated that the enslavers were the last nail in the coffin for the old ones.
As a relative newbie to 40k, I enjoyed this so much. I'd love to see more videos that cover theories
It could be that just lying on a throne getting psychic energy and souls fed to you is a pretty sweet gig.
Also Sly Morbo is obviously Morbius.
Having watched 40K lore videos over the last 15+ yrs. You tend to see ALL the imagery available. Sir, thank you for keeping this fresh.
Lastly, what an awesome video. I had no idea that I needed 40K conspiracy theories thank you for this
Great video, however I don't think branding everything that lives in the warp a demon makes sense.
Apart from that, interesting video. 😀
The current Cypher is Alpharius. Cypher escaped in like 30 minutes from the Custodians in the cells beneath the palace in like 30 mins? Okay, IF we just say that Cypher is super big badass Dark Angel that had knowledge of the palace. IF we just say that a Dark Angel is all subterfuge like James Bond. IF we just say that Dark Angels are suddenly capable of impossible tasks because, uhhhh reasons and stuff... Even that does not explain escaping the Custodians. There is NO WAY a Dark Angel could know the palace (especially the cells) or escape from Custodians and leave Terra.
But Alpharius could do all this, and more. Alpharius knew the cells, was there when they were built. Alpharius could walk by the Custodians. Alpharius could stand before Guilleman and not be noticed. It was Omegon whom Dorn spotted on 2 occasions and killed. Alpharius and Omegon both had that power but Alpharius had it honed to razors edge by Malcador. That is why Alpharius could go unnoticed by pretty much anyone, even the most powerful of psychers. This alone is enough for me to believe that Cypher is Alpharius. But Cypher being Alpharius clears up a ton of random stuff about Cyphers adventures and abilities. Also, Alpharius is loyal, a loyalist primarch without a Legion.
Alpharius is working with the Yellow King, aka Constantine Valdor.
@@rainsoakedscribe7068 agreed
Hell yes! I've been looking forward to this video since you posted the poll.
The source you linked at the end of this video is amazing dude. I’ve been crawling the archives for generations, and have never found a source as reliable as yours.
I have really grown to like 40K lore, thanks for the awesome videos!
I honestly think the emperor caused the men of iron to rebel for his plan.
Sly marbo is just one of the lost legion primarchs. Super natural feats, seemingly invincible. Him being one of the lost legion primarchs and his power is simply being impossible to kill.
That artwork of the living Necontyr is awesome
I do always question that Psychic powers were part of the Emperors plan for Humanity, and he knew about the Warp and Demons but now the Imperium consumes all of Humanities Psykers and prevents them from reproducing "in fear" of the Warp.
That's one reason why the Emperor's a Daemon theory holds so much weight. Daemons eat souls, and psykers are particularly potent souls. Daemons also help sell the need for the 'God" Emperor.. making a worship power source. He basically farmed psykers in the human population to ensure a steady supply of food and worship.
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Men of Iron and Old Ones theories makes sense
My friend told me about his theory that Commander Farsight is actually Emperor’s back-up plan
That is an amazing Shirt Weshammer, I love the Design on it.
WES!!!,I want to say that I love your videos and I've learn alot about 40k from you.My birthday is coming soon on 31 October,and I hope you make a long vid about my favorite legion TheNightLords or about KonradKurze.That would be a nice gift :)Keep up the good work and much Respect.
Hol up... You were born on Halloween? I think you are legally required to be a night Lords fan 😂. I'm working on one but I don't think it will be out that soon.
@@weshammer Yes my friend I will be 28 soon,and like you I also like dark suff and the way how NightLords operate and looks...oh boy I love them.I'm verry happy to hear that you make a vid about them.Don't worry if is not on time,like Halloween theme.Ty for the reply you made my workday much better.Lov u bro.
Can you make a video about geography in Warhammer 40k
Your references to the novels are really cool and I wanted to ask if you can do a TOP 10 or something Novels to start reading. I don`t have time for all 600 or whatever so a place to start would be AWESOME! Great content BTW.
lmaooooo i dont know why i wasn’t expecting that last line lol wes you should make these into podcasts there really good to listen to
I may have misunderstood, but the C'tan are basically the warp daemons of the material realm. But, considering the affects that Psychers/warp daemons have on the material realm by channeling the warp, what would happen if a C'tan was sent into the warp? Would it bring a similar corruption to the warp by channeling the material? Would demons or warp entities mind be suddenly or slowly altered to fit that of common material entities, such as emotional connections? Ignoring the Orks, the Necron's are one of the least friendly races, but even in their current state, they hold the value of their race above other races, their caste/faction in their own race over other castes/factions, and even individuals in their races above others of their own race. Would material corrupted demons slowly/suddenly emotional connections to other demons, or something material entities have that warp entities don't?
If a C'tan was sent into the warp then they will most likely be attacked as soon as they entered. They absolutely hate the warp they don't really have any natural defenses against it. They would have an effect on the warp like any living creature they are also beings of pure energy so that will help them for a little bit until the Chaos gods arrive.
I have two small suggestion about the first two theories, one is that the hud are the decendents of escape slaves of the dark eldar, if the far future of the 41st is true, that chaos is at war with the endless tyranids hordes, then one of the races more likely to survive this is the dark eldar since they literally are in there own personal dimension it would make sense that the hud forms were the result of there masters sadistic experiments combine with the posible side effects of mutation from all the rampant chaos energies, however this in mind is still to be debated since there is the question of the hud technology as they had to ether made it themselves or based it of some kind of eldar technology and build from it.
The second is that the emperor is trying to avoid to become the next chaos god and is at war with his future self, we know that all of the four chaos gods don't actually have a personality since they are made of different emotions and ideals, which leads to the unfortunate downside of bieng at the will of there followers, so the emperor if he would become a chaos god would be much more different then what he was before, one which what I can gather would see itself as the ultimate form and be pretty much expect there followers to serve or die, and already there is evidence of this happing from the legion of the dammed, so I belive there are two the first bieng the real emperor who is trying to stop this new chaos god from giving rise and the chaos god which is probably piece of the emperor shattered mind that is his wors traits, it would certainly make sense to you theory that the emperor wish to become a god as like you said the warp is timeless, or even in something that even more far stretch is that the emperor is allied to this new chaos god seeing as the last resort to save the imperium and to destroy the warp.
Very cool! Love your stuff ❤️
The Old Ones knew pretty much everything there was to know about the Warp when they were alive. There were no daemons or chaos gods back then. The Warp was a calm deep ocean of endless power that they could draw upon, and designed the Aeldari and the Krork to be able to use it in their own ways to help them fight. It took millions of years of them dipping into it, stirring it up with the echoes of their pain and rage and utilizing it for war that it became Chaos. Chaos is a twisted reflection of everything life has experienced, and it took a long time for it to become what we know it as now.
perfect ending in my opinion
That ending really convinced me to believe in these theories hahah
The theory about the old ones makes a lot of sense logically and would explain a lot about why the old ones created the races connected to the warp.
The Emperor being the fifth god of Chaos makes so much sense
Well there aren't just Chaos gods in the warp so he doesn't have to be Chaos aligned at all to be a warp entity/god.
@@MechanicaMenace Beings created by psychich emanations I believe are considered Chaos Gods. At this point I believe the Emperor could be considered a "benevolent" Chaos God as he does not exist in the warp in the physical sense.
i think calling him tyrant god would make more sense, if fifth chaos god then we have malice who's probably just hiding around or is actually the 4 if combined (considering malice is just pure chaos)
@@CapnKrunk123 Gork and Mork and the Eldar gods are (or were for the dead ones) warp entities created by psychic will, gods, and not Chaos gods. Well, apart from Slaanesh if you still count him as an Eldar god.
What if Horus only managed to shatter sanguinius so that only his hatred formed back together causing a psychic backlash upon his sons making the black rage and the emperor himself had to kill sanguinius after sanguinius turbo killed Horus and the emperor covered it up with lies he said to Rogal. This is plausible because sanguinius himself was a latent psyker
Edit: and the good parts came together to form the sanguinor
A good one that I heard is that the Emperor is actually Malal, seeking to use Order to destroy the ordered gods of Chaos, and in purging the order from chaos bring everything tho complete chaos
The emperor is the manifestation of order, the chaos gods know this. Also Malal has been erased for good
I think that the emperor is a warp-god from the ritual created by the ancient shamans of earth. Like a human version of bel'lakor
My theory is the emperor is a weapon made during the golden age of man. He is maybe a perpetual who was experimented on. The reason he was first kept alive was if he died, he would lose most of his power.
Why does it have to be conspiracy theory and not just a fan theory?
Edward Bernays way
This comment needs way more likes.
Thanks for the chapters, never been easier to skip a Raid promo
this is a great video, you shold do more like this :)
The theory on the Hrud being humans is some creepy All Tomorrows shit right there.
Holy Emperor heck!! These theories are WAY too out there for a newbie like me!! Love them!!
I like the Emperor is Malice theory and have been thinking a lot about it recently. Also, in the Rogue Trader game there is a emblem on a wall i saw in a reddit post where someone asked if it was the symbol of malice, the aquilla with the 2 toned skull. The response was it was the adeptus mechanicus emblem, that theirs was 2 toned also. Except, there wasnt a gear behind this skull, but rather the 8 way path instead.
The castigator deep dive would be siiiiiiick
Literally the best Warhammer channel. No hate on those other guys, but you by far have the most charisma and a very good ability to explain things in a way that don't come off as info dumps
U know what's crazy? The very first time I saw a Warhammer 40k book I had no reference point except other RPG and fantasy novels. I thought when reading about the Golden throne "Huh some lich lord in the future or something, feeding on souls", and I walked away.....
Oh boy another Wes hammer video, nice! :D
Fantastic video Wes. If you're interested in more weird obscure 40k stuff, look into the Deep Warp. I don't think there's much lore on it but iirc Magnus had Perturabo construct a device to navigate it, which Pert later destroyed because he didn't want Magnus messing with the Deep Warp. It's got its own weird entities and stuff.
I will have to check this out, thanks!
I am Glad that i found you i can finally learn about 40K without getting lost