@urbanfrog POSSIBLE SPOILERS: I think initially it was supposed to be like this, the show was supposed to last at least a couple of seasons longer and I guess Bojack and his half-sister would have come to terms with their father figure and we would have understood more about his motivations, desires and interests but since Netflix didn't renew what we got was the dialogue in Bojack's final dream sequence (maybe to imply that his son knew his father wasn't completely an asshole, just an inept one). I believe that initially, the book the father had written was about his son. Bojack only discovered it (having always refused to read it) years after his death realising that Butterscotch knew him better than he thought. Perhaps one of the reasons why Hollihock initially abandoned Bojack in the initial plans was precisely because he feared he would become like their father.
@@lolgurl243 I know , reminds me of the first " Huh" he said in episode 1 , when Mr pb told him that diana was his girlfriend and bojack said "Huh" and throws up the Cotton candy , but he does it always
You might be onto something on a meta level. Horsin' Around helped Diane during her childhood and Bojack Horseman the show helped her become the person she was at the end of the show.
It’s really interesting to see how they all wanted to be a part of BoJack’s life . He didn’t go to them, they came to him. They also stuck with him through most of the things after that. BoJack hit the jackpot this night when it came to “real ones” but didn’t realise it until it was too late
It was already a great joke that he died in a duel, such a weird and nonsensical way to die in this day and age, but then they added the detail that he didn't even die by a gunshot but instead he tripped and bashed his head on a rock before the duel could even begin.
Oddly enough, each one of BoJack's family had died or have some kind of tragedy involving the head. Honey with her Lobotomy, Beatrice with her dementia, Crackerjack being shot in the head, and of course Butterscotch tripped and felt down on his head.
Yeah. It's a shame he was curt to her enthusiasm here, though it's also understandable given the matter on the phone and how many fans of the show he has to deal with. A shame too how it ended. Man I feel sad all over again. What a show.
I passed similar situations like here with Diane. Wanting to talk with someone, very cheery, expecting things to be good, but unfortunately you arrive in a bad situation for the other.
When your dad dies, you ask many questions like “wait did you say die in a duel, who dies in a duel!” The funny thing too is that Butterscotch died because of his book and his last words were “hey what did you think of my book.” And Bojack never even read it out of spite.
Butterscotch was an 1di0t. He married a bookworm that could help him to improve his book and he instrumentalized the same book against his own son, that get famous later and could make him a well known author. Also, I guess, he procrastinates as much as Bojack, but Bojack had a ghost writer.
Funny to think that in their first ever interaction, Diane makes some slightly gagging noises upon awkwardly presenting herself to Bojack. And only in their next interaction in the pilot, Bojack straight-up barfed.
Even if he was more absent than Beatrice was, i wish we got more insight into Butterscotch's character. He's weirdly obsessed with becoming a writer, and before his silly, accidental death, he likely had the briefest moment of what he was after his entire life: validation. The one guy that said his book sucked, actually read it. And that was important enough for him to focus on, that he died by tripping on a fucking rock. And since it took him too long to write the damn thing, he likely was afraid of failure. With Bojack, he could at least blame his wife for his existence. We barely got to see how he felt about Hollyhock in the end. But that book? He could never live with himself if it was his fault it'd flop. Until he tried one day. I just think it would have been cool to see that from him. But I guess it is simpler than Beatrice when we think about it. But i do wonder why he wanted to write in the first place?
There's actually a theory that "The Horse that Could Never be Broken" was actually about Bojack, and that's why ButterScotch was so defensive about it. There's no solid proof of this because in the episode where Bojack and his "Dad/Secretariat" talk things out, it's said it was probably just Bojack's brain trying to fill gaps. Maybe ButterScotch really was just an arrogant and entitled man, and his death reflected what he feared the most, being pathetic and underwhelming.
I know that Netflix was the one that decide to end the show after 6 seasons so I can’t help but wonder if they were going to tackle his father after season 5. There are a couple lines that Butterscotch says throughout that I feel would’ve been more symbolic if they had been allowed to do a couple more seasons. But it def left an ambiguous feel with the dad character the way we never learn more :O
He didn't know if the guy he dueled actually read the book. He tripped before he even got the chance to ask, which is kinda the point. Not only he didn't even know if he got what he wanted after all, but no one even cared about him dying. People talk about how his book should have been a part of the story or how it was about Bojack or how we needed to learn more about him, but I think it's better if we don't, because the point is that he was so obsessed with his novel that that's all we know about him: he was a hack writer who lived and died for a novel, yet no one read it, no one knows who the writer was and it doesn't even matter, because the one remarkable thing about Butterscotch is that he died the most ridiculous death and his son never even had curiosity for what he wrote, so even if it was about Bojack, he couldn't care less, because to him, that novel wouldn't make up for anything. Butterscotch probably wrote about the kind of man he thought he was instead of just being it. He was obsessed with being seen as a hero for the working class american and yet not even his wife and son wanted anything to do with him. It's a perfect ending for him, to just vanish
I saw my gramma in hospice before she passed (she actually died from a situation not that far off from how Butterscotch ended up kicking the bucket). I knew her end was inevitable, and when she did finally pass, at least I had the chance to see her before her passing, and knew it was as comfortable as possible. My girl cousins in California, however, didn’t really get the chance to say “goodbye” (this was in Indianapolis), so they took it much worse than I did due to that. But of course Butterscotch was a total douchenozzle, so really I don’t blame BoJack at all. Everybody has different perspectives on things, especially regarding the mortality of loved ones.
Fck, I just hate it how society pressures people into thinking they are supposed to feel something about it, when in fact it's Okay not to feel anything
Well if you did not really know the person that died very much or did not spend time with him or her very much its understandable but if if it was a person that you loved and cared about and spent a lot of time with you should probably feel something. And i guess if the person was a jerk you maybe wont feel very sad when the person dies either.
@@sweetypsycho4895 I was just saying that how sad you feel over a person dying depends on how important that person was to you so its not something that just automatically happens when a person dies. Bojacks dad was not very good towards him so thats why he does not feel very sad about him dying.
@@CyberLance26, no it doesn't, kick this stupid prejudice out of your mind before someone kills themselves over you accusing them of not loving their loved one enough over them not crying at their funeral
@@sweetypsycho4895 Why would somebody kill themselves over something like this? And i think thats how it works for most people so its not a prejudice. Also on the funerals i have been to many people did not cry and i dont think anybody got mad at them over it or said anything about it. You can feel bad about stuff and sad about stuff without crying about it or showing it on the outside very much. Same thing with positive stuff that you can think something is funny without laughing for example. So i was talking about feeling stuff i was not talking about crying or showing stuff on the outside.
I think it would be funny if ironic that Butterscotch's book actually became successful. It'd be like his hard work paid off, but his personality meant he'd never be able to reap the rewards.
i just realized that when diane and bojack met for the first time, bojack’s dad died, and when they met for the second time, diane’s dad died soon after 😦
How funny would it be if the next day afterwards, someone called him again & found him audibly upset in wracked sobs, ultimately deciding not to release said call or to contact him again till the time of show's start?
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Unlike Beatrice, Butterscotch was hardly present in Bojack's life. So he hardly cares when he dies
And when he was there Bojack was inflicted torment upon, and he probably had more scenes before the show got canceled
Exactly, people don't criticize him enough, when he's worse than Beatrice
At least Beatrice never intentionally got Bojack blackout drunk just to cover up an affair.
@@Olivetree80Both are awful, i just wish we had more exploration of him, like how Beatrice got.
@urbanfrog POSSIBLE SPOILERS: I think initially it was supposed to be like this, the show was supposed to last at least a couple of seasons longer and I guess Bojack and his half-sister would have come to terms with their father figure and we would have understood more about his motivations, desires and interests but since Netflix didn't renew what we got was the dialogue in Bojack's final dream sequence (maybe to imply that his son knew his father wasn't completely an asshole, just an inept one). I believe that initially, the book the father had written was about his son. Bojack only discovered it (having always refused to read it) years after his death realising that Butterscotch knew him better than he thought. Perhaps one of the reasons why Hollihock initially abandoned Bojack in the initial plans was precisely because he feared he would become like their father.
It’s funny how hard it is for him to accept how scotch died because it’s just that stupid.
Exactly. Especially since duels have been outlawed and are now murder since the 1860s
And he tripped over a rock. He didn’t even get a musical like a certain someone who also died in a duel
@@iHaveACrushOnPrincessDiana butterscotch was a terrible husband and father. Even earth vader didn’t get a musical and he’s dark lord of the sith
@@Shadowdoc26 technically he died of suicide or natural causes because he slipped on a rock and cracked his head open which wasn’t the dueler’s fault
@@iHaveACrushOnPrincessDiana Hamilton reference nice lol
So Diane's relationship with Bojack began and ended with a 'thank you'. Huh.
That Bojack huh u put is such a good reference
@@lolgurl243 I know , reminds me of the first " Huh" he said in episode 1 , when Mr pb told him that diana was his girlfriend and bojack said "Huh" and throws up the Cotton candy , but he does it always
You might be onto something on a meta level.
Horsin' Around helped Diane during her childhood and Bojack Horseman the show helped her become the person she was at the end of the show.
Good catch
It’s really interesting to see how they all wanted to be a part of BoJack’s life . He didn’t go to them, they came to him. They also stuck with him through most of the things after that. BoJack hit the jackpot this night when it came to “real ones” but didn’t realise it until it was too late
Bro fr
It was already a great joke that he died in a duel, such a weird and nonsensical way to die in this day and age, but then they added the detail that he didn't even die by a gunshot but instead he tripped and bashed his head on a rock before the duel could even begin.
Oddly enough, each one of BoJack's family had died or have some kind of tragedy involving the head. Honey with her Lobotomy, Beatrice with her dementia, Crackerjack being shot in the head, and of course Butterscotch tripped and felt down on his head.
Damn thats so interezting i never realizsd that. Cool @@estebangutierrez160
Hell the guy he dueled was implied to have never even read the book, he just wanted to have a duel with someone
Bojacks EARS are no where near where the phone is!
Neither is his mouth
Horse's hearing range is nearly a mile long, it's fine
Tell that to Arthur when he uses headphones.
@@KarateGirl999 I was just about to comment on that.😂
Boy I sure hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
Bojack saying "I'm sorry" to Beatrice because Butterscotch dying isn’t his loss.
Considering how much she hated him, he wasn't HER loss either. I don't think Butterscotch was anyone's loss.
@@QueenStarNova “my husband is dead, and everything is worse now”
Bojack gets Diane's costume. He gets her. that's why they are friends.
Yeah. It's a shame he was curt to her enthusiasm here, though it's also understandable given the matter on the phone and how many fans of the show he has to deal with.
A shame too how it ended. Man I feel sad all over again. What a show.
I passed similar situations like here with Diane. Wanting to talk with someone, very cheery, expecting things to be good, but unfortunately you arrive in a bad situation for the other.
"Just out of curiosity, what was about my book you didn't li- OHMYGO-"
- Butterscotch Horseman's not so famous last words
"I never read his book. I won't read it, because... why give him that?" -Bojack
0:59 A consolation of growing middle aged is getting to say things like this.
"Mom? No, I can't talk right now. Can I call you tomorrow? *Or is this the one night a year you emerge from your crypt?"*
When your dad dies, you ask many questions like “wait did you say die in a duel, who dies in a duel!”
The funny thing too is that Butterscotch died because of his book and his last words were “hey what did you think of my book.” And Bojack never even read it out of spite.
Butterscotch was an 1di0t. He married a bookworm that could help him to improve his book and he instrumentalized the same book against his own son, that get famous later and could make him a well known author. Also, I guess, he procrastinates as much as Bojack, but Bojack had a ghost writer.
I thought Butterscotch asked if the dueler even READ his book.
@@endamcnabola Yeah, but he also asked what he thought of it
Funny to think that in their first ever interaction, Diane makes some slightly gagging noises upon awkwardly presenting herself to Bojack. And only in their next interaction in the pilot, Bojack straight-up barfed.
When Bojack questioned his dad dying in a duel, he must've thought he died during his weekly duel monsters night!
Even if he was more absent than Beatrice was, i wish we got more insight into Butterscotch's character.
He's weirdly obsessed with becoming a writer, and before his silly, accidental death, he likely had the briefest moment of what he was after his entire life: validation.
The one guy that said his book sucked, actually read it. And that was important enough for him to focus on, that he died by tripping on a fucking rock.
And since it took him too long to write the damn thing, he likely was afraid of failure. With Bojack, he could at least blame his wife for his existence. We barely got to see how he felt about Hollyhock in the end.
But that book? He could never live with himself if it was his fault it'd flop. Until he tried one day.
I just think it would have been cool to see that from him. But I guess it is simpler than Beatrice when we think about it. But i do wonder why he wanted to write in the first place?
i agree, i wish we got more time out of butterscotch and i’ve been stuck on his reaction to someone reading his book.
There's actually a theory that "The Horse that Could Never be Broken" was actually about Bojack, and that's why ButterScotch was so defensive about it. There's no solid proof of this because in the episode where Bojack and his "Dad/Secretariat" talk things out, it's said it was probably just Bojack's brain trying to fill gaps. Maybe ButterScotch really was just an arrogant and entitled man, and his death reflected what he feared the most, being pathetic and underwhelming.
I know that Netflix was the one that decide to end the show after 6 seasons so I can’t help but wonder if they were going to tackle his father after season 5. There are a couple lines that Butterscotch says throughout that I feel would’ve been more symbolic if they had been allowed to do a couple more seasons. But it def left an ambiguous feel with the dad character the way we never learn more :O
He didn't know if the guy he dueled actually read the book. He tripped before he even got the chance to ask, which is kinda the point. Not only he didn't even know if he got what he wanted after all, but no one even cared about him dying. People talk about how his book should have been a part of the story or how it was about Bojack or how we needed to learn more about him, but I think it's better if we don't, because the point is that he was so obsessed with his novel that that's all we know about him: he was a hack writer who lived and died for a novel, yet no one read it, no one knows who the writer was and it doesn't even matter, because the one remarkable thing about Butterscotch is that he died the most ridiculous death and his son never even had curiosity for what he wrote, so even if it was about Bojack, he couldn't care less, because to him, that novel wouldn't make up for anything.
Butterscotch probably wrote about the kind of man he thought he was instead of just being it. He was obsessed with being seen as a hero for the working class american and yet not even his wife and son wanted anything to do with him. It's a perfect ending for him, to just vanish
Pretty relatable experience when a family member has died.
Speak for yourself
@@falconeshield Exactly. I guess old age has gotten to my grandmother or something.
@@falconeshieldit sounds like they are speaking for themselves so don’t be a dick.
@@falconeshield Obviously they're speaking for themselves lmao. What's your problem?
I saw my gramma in hospice before she passed (she actually died from a situation not that far off from how Butterscotch ended up kicking the bucket).
I knew her end was inevitable, and when she did finally pass, at least I had the chance to see her before her passing, and knew it was as comfortable as possible.
My girl cousins in California, however, didn’t really get the chance to say “goodbye” (this was in Indianapolis), so they took it much worse than I did due to that.
But of course Butterscotch was a total douchenozzle, so really I don’t blame BoJack at all.
Everybody has different perspectives on things, especially regarding the mortality of loved ones.
Interesting to see how Diane talks to Bojack in this episode vs the last one.
Kinda funny this is technically the first time Diane and bojack met. Ig when you’re famous you meet so many people.
That was the nicest thing Bojack had ever done for Todd.
Diane gives me so much secondhand embarrassement here. Who just walks up to someone, esp their idol, while they're on the phone?
iirc before this she didn't want to approach him and realized it wasn't a good moment but mr. pb pushed her to go talk to him
Mr PeanutButter pressured Diane to talk to Bojack
Fck, I just hate it how society pressures people into thinking they are supposed to feel something about it, when in fact it's Okay not to feel anything
Well if you did not really know the person that died very much or did not spend time with him or her very much its understandable but if if it was a person that you loved and cared about and spent a lot of time with you should probably feel something.
And i guess if the person was a jerk you maybe wont feel very sad when the person dies either.
@@CyberLance26, mind your own business, will you? What's will all the emotional abuse, the person can feel however the hell they want
@@sweetypsycho4895 I was just saying that how sad you feel over a person dying depends on how important that person was to you so its not something that just automatically happens when a person dies.
Bojacks dad was not very good towards him so thats why he does not feel very sad about him dying.
@@CyberLance26, no it doesn't, kick this stupid prejudice out of your mind before someone kills themselves over you accusing them of not loving their loved one enough over them not crying at their funeral
@@sweetypsycho4895 Why would somebody kill themselves over something like this?
And i think thats how it works for most people so its not a prejudice.
Also on the funerals i have been to many people did not cry and i dont think anybody got mad at them over it or said anything about it.
You can feel bad about stuff and sad about stuff without crying about it or showing it on the outside very much.
Same thing with positive stuff that you can think something is funny without laughing for example.
So i was talking about feeling stuff i was not talking about crying or showing stuff on the outside.
Dammit Butterscotch, you didn't have to be so egocentric... RIP old man.
He was a shitty dad and horrible husband who cheated on his wife despite hating each other, so he had it coming.
I just noticed that BoJack had earphones go into his ears, but the phone only goes up to the side of his eyes when on the phone.
Parties end. A metaphor about life.
I feel really dumb that I haven't even noticed that when I warched it last time a few years ago
Mr. PeanutButter's Boos is a top-tier episode.
I think it would be funny if ironic that Butterscotch's book actually became successful. It'd be like his hard work paid off, but his personality meant he'd never be able to reap the rewards.
Is Bojack voiced by the guy who does those Reese’s cups commercials?
I'm pretty sure that's him 😄
yes lmao
also voiced by lego batman lmao
Oh my god, HE IS. Now whenever I'm watching a Reese's ad, I'm gonna be picturing Bojack saying those lines.
@@KarateGirl999 Way ahead of you XD
i just realized that when diane and bojack met for the first time, bojack’s dad died, and when they met for the second time, diane’s dad died soon after 😦
aw this is so sad. if todd never leaves it means the party never ended, which means that day never ended, and his dad never died
I've never caught that
Me neither lol this fandom is so intuitive
And that's the origin of that
“Daddy”
“Yes Freddy?”
“Can I try the horsey?”
“Look , daddy, I’m a farmer!”
😂😂😂
Anyone else notice Bojack didn’t hold the phone by his ear
This almost makes me wanna sub to Netflix just to watch the series again
Why didn’t he tell Todd what happened? Just cause he didn’t know him?
Yup, it's the first time they see each other. Todd was at that party and simply never left.
How funny would it be if the next day afterwards, someone called him again & found him audibly upset in wracked sobs, ultimately deciding not to release said call or to contact him again till the time of show's start?
Anyone catch the god of war reference at 0:58
I don't think it's a reference, unless the whole line is in the game
@@abhinavav7770 the boy and sir thing really seems like that’s where they got it. It’s the way BoJack says it
You’re thinking too much into it
@@geminfly I think it's a joke lmao
@@Yama-qg3il sure
Why is Bojack holding the phone to his cheek and not his ear????
What episode is this?
I still dont understand Diane costume
wait he just stuck around for like two years?
why arent people talking about todd in this scene? i like his part more than diane
why is he not even holding the phone to his ear
Or his mouth
😂 can't unsee it