That is true, I always believed that there is only two types of people, those who stand out because of their actions and deeds and other is the ones that puch people around them down to stand out.
I bought a book recently on weaving as art therapy. It emphasizes low cost weaving, even to the point of using a “v” of a tree branch as your loom, and unraveled sweaters as your yarn. The ultimate goal is to enjoy the process of creating to relieve stress and tension. Snobbery does not belong in that process. Thank you for calling out all of those haters - I hope they see the error of their ways.
I used to knit quite extensively and it saved my mind a few times. I think I should go back to fiber arts. I have a student grade little loom and it's fun too. One can make a professional work with the simplest tools, I believe.
I’m a Certified Tribal Artist with an Alaska Tlingit tribal council. I embarked on making cultural tribal designs but made with contemporary methods. Mainly knitting & on a rigid heddle loom, to show that tribal designs in fiber art CAN be made using bare yarns that’s ready made, dyed with modern acid dyes, made with various “modern” methods. I want to show that “modern” tribal fiber art can still be beautiful, made with a vast array of colors, and the pieces can still carry their meanings and tribal fiber art does NOT have to be only made via Chilkat weaving (tapestry twining, all done by hand, using only local fibers that’s extremely hard to get because mountain goat is hardly hunted to begin with, and the fabric’s woven on a stick with only hand spun yarns that are dyed with only local botanicals. Chilkat weaving’s extremely labor intensive & time consuming. It is beautiful but there is only a handful of Chilkat weavers because of all those constraints. They do create breathtaking work but other tribal fiber artists have treated me like I’m not making anything good and not considered a tribal fiber artist even by my tribal organizations because the government also dictates that tribal fiber artists can only get grants and funding if they are strictly traditional Chilkat wesvers. Not many of the designs are seen, the blankets are thousands of dollars so they’re hardly purchased. I want to show that tribal designs can be made many ways, made with any yarn, any color, using any method that is still by hand. Ironically I’m the direct descendant of Chief Shakes VII & named after Native activist Matilda McKinnon Paul Tamaree, and my Great-Uncle William Paul was the first Native lawyer and state legislator that won the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act of 1971 that formed the tribal organizations. It is hard, sometimes I wonder why bother making anything that is trying to help keep the designs “alive”, shown on scarves, shawls, hats, etc. I have only been treated well by non-tribal communities. It’s sad, I just want to show that tribal art can still be beautiful and meaningful on contemporary fabrics that are not only large blankets. I designed my own knit patterns and weavings that are interchangeable so I make each item with randomly chosen patterns that are paired with my two color brioche patterns that help illustrate and interpret the tribal designs or the stories behind them. I buy bare yarns, hand dye them with acid dyes using citric acid. But because my pieces are made with modern methods, modern materials, with my modern patterns, most tribal artists look down at what I make.
Thank you for telling your story. Sadly, I think this experience could be felt in many kinds of traditional craft scenarios. Perhaps people forget that most skills developed eons by using materials that were on hand. Today, there are many different materials, tools, fibres etc available. There’s a place for doing things the old way and a place for moving forward; hopefully we can all learn to be nice to each other.
I think it's really admirable to make choices about your art to help you further your goal of design preservation and promotion. So much can be lost just due to disuse. Especially when the people who originated the pattern can no longer afford the end product!
Thank you so much for the critically important work that you are doing and for sharing your story. I'm terribly sorry that you have been treated like this. We applaud you and celebrate you commitment and your artistry. I hope their attitudes and comments will change and you will be celebrated! Keep being awesome!!!!!
I am disabled, and have a tiny apartment. There is no space for a big loom here. Next to that my income is like you say, below or right at poverty level. I am creative with my money, so I managed to save up for a rigid heddle loom, and I am so proud I managed to buy one. Nobody can take that from me. I do beat myself up though, since I still haven't build up the courage to actually start weaving. I am still trying to figure out where to find enough space to put the yarn on long enough. What is ridiculous, I can start with a shorter piece, I think I am just afraid to fail. What is ridiculous as well, for you can undo it and start over. I have been bullied all over my life, over so many things, I got over feeling bad about what other people say. Though I am going towards 60, and I do remember that when I was younger, those people did get to me. So to all that feel bad about what others think, they have a problem, not you. It is easy if you can just buy what ever you want. I think if you had to give it efford, and succeeded, that means a heck of a lot more! Be proud of it! No matter what it is about. If one needs to bring somebody down, to feel good about themself, they are just a pathetic person. Once you realize that, it will help you to feel better about what you have accomplished. Much love to you all! And thank you for this video, Kelly! It is good you point this out, so many people seem to feel so low these days, that they kick somebody else. I hope you reach some that will actually realize it is their problem, and work on themselfs. ❤
I agree, it's worth a lot more if you really have to work for it. Congratulations on your loom, I'm so happy for you! Now, how do we help you to get your first project going? 😊
Hi. I have very limited space as well making it difficult to warp my rigid heddle looms. There are some good RUclips videos and on other sources for hybrid warping onto a rigid heddle and doing indirect warping similar to how a floor loom is warped. I just indirect warped by Kromski Rigid Heddle. It went well and was quick and easy. Check those out if you are not close to anyone who can help in person. And feel free to reach out to us-I am sure one of us can answer questions or provide tips. Hope this helps you start your first project!
I rarely leave comments but I just watched your video and wanted to relay this positive experience. I belong to a guild of almost all floor loom weavers, who know nothing about the rigid heddle but have been respectful. One day one of the excellent floor loom weavers came in with a “toy loom” just like yours. She got it at a flea market for $1 and was thrilled! I pointed her to your video where you showed how to warp and weave with it. It was so nice that she was thrilled and not condescending to this toy. This is a group worth belonging to.
Hi Kelly. I have always wanted to weave and to learn how to spin yarn. I have a Fisher Price loom that works well for me. I have made many beautiful things with this 'toy', and I've given many gifts of my home made crafts. Weaving is about the meditative process, and it is soothing. Blessings to you and yours. I just found and subscribed to your channel. No one has ever bullied or been critical of my handicrafts. We are all here on Earth to live our best lives, and to do what fulfills our spirit. It is our responsibility and a great joy to encourage each other on this journey called LIFE. Thank you for the message from this video.
Couldn’t agree more. I have been driven from two different knitting groups from bullying and/or snobbery. I knit for the simple joy of the process, I make simple projects with cheap acrylic yarn and I am always proud of my achievements. I just do it in the privacy of my own home now without any critics because of this very behavior. Nice video and great subject matter. Bottom line, don’t allow ANYONE to steal your joy and if that means removing yourself from the group, then so be it.
There is plenty of this stuff around. When people get snobbish about loom types, I remember that the Vikings sailed and explored, found Iceland, Greenland, and even North America. They also traded through the Mediterranean, up Russian rivers and also into the Baltic. Their sails were made on home-made warp-weighted looms and from handspun wool. Even a simple 2 shaft loom can be the entrée to amazing things. I am not above reminding people of this, should it be necessary.
I couldn't afford to buy looms when i first started weaving. I made an inkle loom first and then a ridged heddle. They both worked just fine for what i wanted to do at the time. I now own second hand Leclerc 4 shaft. I try to buy yarn at thrift stores. Most of the time I have no idea what the fiber content is. I'm having fun learning and creating fabric. That is the important thing. You don't have to have the "best" most expensive equipment to be creative and have fun.
Everyone should be able to do what gives happiness, with what they have/can afford/like doing. Support someone finding joy. There is little enough in the world. Treasure and encourage it to flourish.
Thank you for making this video. Crafting should really be about making joy, this sort of nonsense is also rife in the knitting world and I hate it. I was so excited when I got my rigid heddle loom that I immediately posted a picture online and another weaver immediately told me I'd grow out of it really fast and that it was a waste of money. It was £275 and was my birthday present, probably the most expensive gift I've ever had. It did put me off, I haven't shared any more photos of my weaving since. Not everyone can rise above comments like that (and the examples you gave are horrendous) . A lot of people would be absolutely crushed by those sorts of slurs and that's just not OK is it. The people that make those sort of comments should really have a good long think about what they hope to achieve by gatekeeping. A light in one room does not shine brighter by turning off another light across town. ❤
Well written, and though full of others even less robust to unkind comment. As another responder said here, I too would be very interested in anything you make. I’ll swap you some of my creations roo if you like? They might be in a very different realm to your skills. I have some successes, several failures, some abandonment, some poor planning, and some big successes too. Mine are mostly in hard material environments and towards engineering. I might be just as fascinated making looms.
I love this talk! Weaving was always interesting to me all my life, but as a child, didn't know where to start. There was no one around me who knew how to help me. As I got older found more ways to do it as your suggestions. It has been a long road. Now I live in a state known for its long history of weaving,but when I tried to get involved with a group I found out that there were two main groups here. One filled with well off retirees who took expensive classes, bought expensive looms and yarns. Another had family ties to weaving going back for generations and didn't like spending any time with "outsiders". I think it helps to have some built in stubbornness and perseverance. Other people who I have known have experienced the same. It would have been nice to get together and help each other, but they felt rejected and discouraged and gave up on it. People who can be found on the internet, like you,have contributed so much to us self motivated weavers. You are one of the reasons I didn't give up. Bless you. You are a wonderful mentor for all. 7
❤ so wonderful!! Thank you!! So many people live things and use people instead of the loving way around!! Wise words that can apply to so many things in life!
Yeah I taught myself mine too, and Id rather struggle on, and not take my weakness out into the world to be made fun of.. lifes got enough things to struggle against without seeking them
A casual one off day visit to your local guild only costs about $5-10. Despite the often inevitable "tight click" and occasional snobbery of some members, the guilds are an amazing local resource for virtually free instruction, one-on-one up-skilling, and therefore inspiration. As a visitor to the guild you have the increased freedom of being able to call out any behaviours that interfere with your mission to learn and see others creating things that interest you. Personally I find formal fibre groups a bit much for me, however because these places are often filled with decades worth of learning the occasional visit can really motivate you if you've been given a gem of knowledge while there. The breath of fresh air a day visitor can bring into a room will often smash up elitist vibes in a group too.😂
@ well. I had asked the hoster about learning/improving my long draw spinning. When i reminded her nearer the end she was super huffy. Sat down actually didnt do long draw and got up and walked off. No help whatsoever. It seemed 100% based on having yes men to pad her ego. Fortunately its run during working hours so its not something i can normally go to nor would i want to
@ tbh i dont know how i didnt pitch some amazing fit with my rather large lungs (i not only have a voice which carries. But big lung power) and explain in tiny details about how rude and so on they all were.
In that kind of situation I often find that putting explicit words to their intentions embarrasses bullies. They want the hurt to be unspoken so you can’t defend against it, but saying something like “what an incredibly unkind thing to say to someone” moves away from your own feelings (which they’d probably want to be further cruel about) and puts their poor behavior on display. In a situation where adults are behaving so badly, they should be forced to own the pettiness and unkindness of their choices.
I am not an experienced weaver. I tried it out for the first time a little over 2 years ago. I was mostly into tapestry weaving. I had effectively no money, so my first loom was hand made out of PVC. I just bought my first rigid heddle loom less than a week ago. Am I any better than when I started: no. I’m still learning and experiencing problems daily. What I can is, watching videos like yours has given me a lot of very useful advice. And learning, making mistakes and finding flaws and faults are all part of the process. And this applies to all things. Thank you for your videos and to anyone who is having trouble, it gets easier the more time you spend on it. Never feel ashamed of your mistakes or your lack of resources.
I used to teach weaving to kids using corrugated cardboard to make small looms to weave wool pouches which we later felted. They were used as card holders, lavender pouches, soap holders for gardeners to scrub their hands. Why on earth would you make someone bad for trying to be creative no matter what tool they were using. As you said, there are bullies who need to put other people down to feel good about themselves.
Thank you for addressing this in such a great way. It is an unfortunate thing that I have seen in many different communities, from weaving - loom type, to knitting - using acrylic yarns and not just super expensive wools, to window painting to hiking (don't get me started on the backpacking "gear police"), to even just someone off the street walking in to my work (I work night audit at a hotel with a lot of free time) and noticing I am working on a crafty project and deciding to tell me why I am doing it wrong. It is so frustrating. Let's all just lift each other up!
Thank you for reaching out to weavers who have been snubbed because they didn't have a different kind of loom. I know you must have comforted many by airing this subject. I started out one Christmas on a little toy loom as a young girl. I am now retired and few years ago I found a wonderful shop 90 miles away in Waco and took some lessons. I bought a Schacht Flip rigid heddle loom. Folds neatly to store in the corner when I am done weaving for the day. Love it! and The staff are all so encouraging and friendly. I love watching weaving tutorials like yours on youtube. Yours is my favorite site! People give me their old knitting yarn and I warp up my loom and practice perfecting my technique. The project may end up as a fancy brooks bouquet dust rag but I don't care. I weave for the joy of it. I can learn new weaves just as easily with that old yarn as I could if I had a wildly expensive yarn. Good practice for when I occasionally splurge on some lovely yarn. I just found a book, Crazy Shot! and can now learn overshot weaving on my rigid heddle loom. Again, thank you for sharing your weaving experience with us. Bless you!
I belong to a great group, we just did a forum on adapting to physical challenges. I started out with a peg loom- chopsticks with holes bored into the ends, and a huge old discarded piece of wood for a stand- made a few rugs with that. I was blessed with the RHL and floor loom from a friend ( they are long term loan)
Great topic Kelly! I have been weaving for many years on a four shaft floor loom. It's only recently that I got a Rigid Heddle Loom, for portability purposes. I can tell you, first hand, that Rigid Heddle weaving is just as challenging and rewarding as multi shaft weaving. ❤
Thanks, Kelly, for this important video. We are sadly used to seeing this type of attitude in many areas of life that are set up to be competitive (in school, at work and in politics, to name the most obvious examples). But your video is a reminder that it can happen even in activities that should be entirely joyful and creative and noncompetitive. I was brought up in an environment that emphasized competition, so when I was younger, I tended to look at everything through a lens of comparison and judging. Life is much more fun now that I recognize and reject that lens. Not without effort sometimes - old habits die hard - but it’s worth the effort.
I started on a frame loom: I needed to keep my hands busy while keeping our mom company at the hospital, this was cheap, the yarns were pretty, everything was portable, and it kept all of us occupied. So far, I haven't graduated past the rigid heddle or the medieval box loom, and am perfectly content. Snobbery in any field is unnecessary, cruel, restrictive, and discouraging. It's a tool to destroy the very hobby or field that the perpetuator practices.
Anytime someone tells me "there's only one right way to do xyz in weaving" I remind myself that humans have been spinnign and weaving for thousands of years and they sure as hell have been successful in weaving a MULTITUDE of ways with much less technology, etc. than we have today. If our ancient ancestors could do make it up on the fly and still have some success then so can you and I!
I totally agree with you. Quite often I see people focusing more on the tools than weaving itself. I don't blame them because with all the beautiful tools available, acquiring them could be a hobby in itself. But, for those who think you can't weave without them, it would help to take a look at traditional weavers in India who have extremely simple equipment but make the most exquisite fabric. And they have been weaving them for centuries. In a nutshell, it's the skill that is more important than the tools. 😊
I haven't been bullied about my weaving but I spend 99.9% of my time alone in my home and don't know any other weavers. I'm also happy to say I've not ever bullied anyone else about their weaving or, hopefully, anything else. Life's too short to go around minding the business of others when I do well to keep all my ducks in a row!
Thank you for starting this important conversation, Kelley - well said, and excellent advice! Here's what I always tell people, especially beginners, in any craft: The most accomplished violinist in the world started the same way as everyone else - by making nothing but horrible noise for a very long time! Don't be afraid of trying something new. You're going to make a mess and screw everything up - that's what learning means, it's the whole point! Of course there will be things that are frustrating and discouraging; it happens to everyone, no matter how advanced they are (or think they are). The only thing that matters is the happiness you feel when you are making something by hand. It's your time, your life, your choices; pursue what brings you joy. One other thing: At the end of the day, just about every fiber craft comes down to Sticks and String. That's it; all the rest is just technology. 🧶💕
This happened to me almost 40 years ago when I took a quilting class with a very well known quilting instructor. I was so excited to be in her class!! I was using a Singer Featherweight sewing machine from 1956 and mint greens and pinks for my fabric. She made the most disparaging comments about both and I felt so ashamed. When the class broke for lunch, I packed up my gear and left. It was years before I quilted again. Happily, I now quilt, weave, knit, and spin! Getting older has helped me to put her cruel words behind me and realize that she had the problem, not me….
It is a very sad case that any maker is a bully. It is part of our world sadly. This is in all groups. I love your comments. Thanks for being a real person. We can all form our own positive groups.
YOU, are qualified because YOU are a nice person and have the courage to stand up for others. Yes, I’ve been told my RH was not real and my yarn was not good enough. Thank for your comments Kelly.
Kelly, you rock! I adore your videos and they have been an enormous help in my weaving journey. I also admire that you call out bad behavior. I do too. Keep up your very good work. ❤
The two weaving classes I took in college were a blessing, and I felt safe because my Instructor kept bullying to a minimum…because she was bullied. But I have experienced bullying in Quilting, Knitting, and Old Lacers local group as a Newbie. So your recommendation about how to handle this issue. BYW the Quilt AND Knitting Shops both closed. It’s a shame. Maybe your words will really help ALL creative folks who are starting out. Bless you Kelly!
Weaving at all is pretty amazing. Making fabric with string, yarn or thread is an amazing act of creation. There are plenty of folks that have narrow or small looms that they use to sew things together and make blankets and the like. Jiffy looms are coming back into fashion but funnily enough I could only afford an old model from the 70s. (I do have a wide rigid heddle loom.) The family has a large floor loom, something like 4-8 shafts. A good brand given away because someone was downsizing. It's in a storage room because it's just too big (and heavy). Houses and apartments are just built so small that you need a separate room for a multi shift floor loom. Either that or rent a loom/time at a fiber studio. My RH is big, but at least I can sort of tuck it away. I've seen people sleigh floor looms. It looks like it takes 4x the amount of time to sleigh as a rigid heddle loom does, at least! I probably won't use a floor loom unless it's a make-your-own-project class at a center. I just don't have the space and Im not interested. (This is not even to count the money. ) multi shift loom pieces are beautiful. *shrug*
What an amazing video! And I agree it is not talked about enough at all. I crochet, weave and knit and will say I've definitely seen more yarn snobbery in weaving and knitting for some reason. Crochet groups tend to be more accepting of all kinds of yarn. Yarn is expensive even for acrylics and in my case and for many others, its often all I can afford to use for my crafts. To be made to feel less than for something that you can't afford is an aweful thing, so I'm so glad you've started this conversation. As usual your knowledge, kindness and grace are so comforting. I'm so happy and proud to be a member of your groups and student of your classes! ❤
Hey Kelly, let me first say as a very novice weaver, only starting off a month ago I do found your videos very informative and I also like your style of presentation. As someone that is very handy and always building things I never come around to get into weaving, though it always fascinated me and now only in the late part of my life I have taken up weaving. But into your question about people making others feel inferior, it haven't happen to me, yet, when it comes to weaving, but most of us in same stage in our lives encounter such treatment at work or otherwise and I agree with you how to manage the situation. Thanks again on teaching this old dog some tricks 😊 Petrus from South Africa
This resonates me with spinning. While I strongly feel I've never been bullied, I'm surprised by how often I have to explain why i dont have a spinning wheel or e-spinner. I love drop spinning and I'm as productive with it as I desire. Tools don't have to be fancy or expensive to enjoy the craft!
another spinner here! Though I do have two wheels (and a friend sent me an e-spinner which I still haven't used), I'm much more a drop spindle person: easy to transport, can spin anywhere, don't take up a lot of space, can be much more mobile... I think I have about 20 spindles and multiple ongoing spinning projects. Do you have a preferred fiber?
I've been with you since the cardboard weaving loom lesson. I've been blessed by encouragement from those around me. I have enjoyed everything you do and watching your talented daughter grow up. God bless you!
Thank you Kelly for bringing this up. Calling out bullies is very important. Like you say it gives them a chance to change their ways otherwise just leave them to it. Thank you ❤️
I’m so glad you brought this up Kelly. I’ve “sensed” a certain attitude when I’m with a group of more experienced weavers, or floor loom weavers when I mention that I have rigid heddle looms and that I use acrylic and other yarns as opposed to wools, cottons and silks.
Well said! I have been on both sides of the conversation. For me hurting someone is done when I have engaged my mouth without engaging my brain. I am able to say I am sorry and I do. I am a beginnnnner weaver and have learned so much from you. Thank you.
Fortunately the spinning and weaving group I’m in is wonderful. We all care for and encourage each other. Also, no one would be game enough to treat me or my friends like that, I can give better than I get. Don’t let anyone treat you that way just to make themselves feel better x
Hi Kelly and fellow weavers, hope you're having a lovely day. 🥰 I have so much to say about this that I am not sure where to even start, but I do know a lot about bullies as I was in the receiving end of their rants for the vast majority of my life. You know that bullies will be the same regardless of the subject involved. It's always "you'll never be X", "you're not doing it the right way (my way)", "that is not the right tool for X", etc etc etc. And they quite often are also narcisists. I am aware that some bullies do redeem themselves, but not all. I am also aware some became sour people in their lives, because something happened to them. That still isn't an excuse to rain on other people's parade, is it? Many of us make do with what we have and sometimes have to be creative how to go about things. And that is a gift, I think. SOmetimes you really want to make something, but always find yourself short of something, so you improvise. That is great, shows commitment and creativity. I've seen people making looms out of cardboard, literal table looms, not just a piece of cardboard, people making their own wooden looms, etc. And anyone that comes into ours lives and says, "you don't have a real loom", "you should just quit"... lady, I didn't quit doing X Y and Z just because someone was being a bully and I'm still here. Remind yourself that you don't have to listen to these people. Think how far you've come by doing what you wanted and not caring what bullies said. They will say anything whether you answer them or not, whether you do things their way or not. Keep doing you, don't listen to them and if you do have to say something to them, you can always say "I'm sorry you feel that way. Good luck with that." It looks polite, but we all know what it means. So, after my own rant 😂 I hope everyone has a good weekend and happy weaving! P.S.: I'll have them "real weavers" going nuts by saying that my first woven piece was in acrylic yarn. That should bother them and snob knitters too. 😂🤣
Your comments on "snobbery" were right on the money. Thank you for presenting this topic with accurate compassion. I have never found any group...as yet... so rely on my online teachers. You are my new find for great weaving instructions! I am in a very rural area but feel a part of a much larger group of fiber artists on my phone.(not even internet that works)
This actually happens in every single “community” out there. A few “communities” I’ve been part of that do this to people: weaving, spinning, crochet, knit, cheesemaking, bread baking, metal stamping, sewing, cloth menstrual pads, reptile owners, isopod keepers, vivarium/terrarium creation and maintenance, dog owners, cat owners, raising sheep, raising goats, milking goats, schools, church, pet bird owners, raising chickens, raising rabbits, homemaking, decorating, politics, parenting, wife-ing, vehicle purchases, instrument purchases, gardening, emergency preparedness, kitchen gadgets, music, and on and on. I’ve been the recipient of this nonsense, stood up for people, been kicked out of groups, shamed, and more - in every single “community.” I fully agree that it needs to stop. I’m also sadly convinced that it never will.
PREACH!!! You are speaking such deep truth. I'm learning how to weave rag rugs with the most wonderful artist who has experienced this toxic snobbery. People like you and Carol are the heart of this craft❤️
why do people have to be so nasty and hateful its so easy to give helpful and positive feed back and if not just scroll by i am new to this community and a very new weaver thank you so much for speaking out and maybe giving some of us the courage to speak much love to all lets all weave some love to all
Thank you Kelly for this video!!! I’ve had this happen to me. Just because I am basically a new weaver, I’ve had people who believe they are better than me, tell me that I don’t know how to weave due to the type of yarns I use, that I’m not using enough patterns in my work, that I should not be using Mohair and much much more. I am now virtually on my own as I will not join another craft group and actually I now feel quite relieved to be weaving on my own!! Thank heavens for you and your channels as these videos are not only helpful in terms of how to do just about anything in weaving that you could want to know but they also pick me up and help me to realise that these types of people are not the sort of people I want to be around. This is great advice. I have an old handmade 4 shaft floor loom which I feel very lucky to have. I bought this 2nd hand but the lady who sold it to me assured me that it worked well. I just have to replace the heddles as they are rusty, but I had a weaver who was visiting laugh at it and said, it wasn’t worth the money. I only paid a small amount for it anyway, though at the time, I felt quite disheartened. However, I don’t care now, as I am going to learn how to use it as I love it and I’m sure it will be a beauty. At one point I thought I’d give up on weaving as the other people in the craft group were so negative and critical of everything I did. Now , I couldn’t care less as I don’t have to see or hear them anymore. Thank you so much Kelly, you’ve given me the confidence to keep going, so now am feeling really happy that I continued on wth it!!!! ❤❤❤
I’ve been weaving for over 25 years and am self taught. I broke the rules for warping my loom as well as what yarns to use. Was told that I was doing it wrong. But I didn’t let that stop me. I learned you can get away with a lot on a 3 yard warp. I also learned why you want to follow rules when putting on a longer warp-tension issues do not make for fun weaving. I am not a weaver that is a perfectionist and that is okay. I know weavers who are. If you are new to weaving don’t worry what others think just enjoy the process. My very first project were placemats woven with crochet thread. Not a good choice but taught me a lot about salvage edges. My warping board was finish nails hammered on the wall-3 yards. I recently taught children how to weave with drinking straws. In order to show them that you can make something other than bracelets or belts I wove strips of cloth and sewed them together to make a bag using yarn purchased at WalMart. The possibilities are endless. You can also weave using a cardboard box.
I had an experience when I was 16 that I'll never forget. I bought a couple looms off Craigslist that they were junk. It really discouraged me from learning for years.
Hi to all - I have not experienced this situation because I am an all alone weaver using on Kelly Casanova lessons, etc. We do have a guild in my town in Florida, but it is too far and I don't want to drive to the meetings every two months. I did see one speaker on line, but I don't think they actually have lessons. Kelly's lessons are certainly sufficient for anything I am doing. It all came about because after my mother passed away, she had a friend that wove a scarf for me that looked like a piano keyboard. I adored it and still do. That inspired me to inquire about this hobby. Then I bought an Ashford Rigid Heddle Loom (actually I asked my husband to give it to me as a gift). I was so excited that I actually put it together by myself, then started looking online for the perfect place to learn and I found it with Kelly Casanova. I have learned so much and I plan on learning how to do everything I can on this loom. Also, I started reading about this process and how this weaving actually goes back to Biblical times. I wish all of you weavers the best and hope that you enjoy your craft at all levels. I have attached a picture of the lovely scarf (my parents and siblings are all musicians) and I have also attached a youtube link to amazing people in Ukraine who are still practicing their weaving traditions in spite of war. The Peace of God be With You All. ruclips.net/video/Lf2QS80po8U/видео.htmlsi=-6YyR3btYznmv54q (Sorry, I can't figure out how to attach the picture of the scarf) Maybe I will attach it on the lessons site.
Thank you for this really insightful video Kelly. I had no idea that people could be be so mean about weaving- any craft- this probably because I’ve never had time to really join a guild . I have, however, been to craft shows and overheard some truly awful comments made about hand made items. As a very new older weaver i plan on carrying on with my lovely Ashford rigid heddle looms. I joined your online school, and get such joy working through your many projects. And for those of you who feel bullied- chin up, keep doing what YOU like doing- and don’t let the miserable people win. Thanks again Kelly for everything that you do❤
Kelly, thank you for this very thoughtful talk about bullying. I am late in responding because I have not had internet for over a week due to hurricane Helene effects here in SC, USA. I appreciate what you have said. I am not part of any guild so have not experienced this type of bullying, but knowing human nature, I can readily understand how this can occur. Anytime I have reached out to you for comments or questions, you have always responded in a very helpful and positive manner. It is interesting about the "toy loom" because I was thinking of purchasing one for my grandchildren to use, but I was afraid that I would not be able to fix it up like you did on yours after watching your video on it. Also, I am not sure what items can be made on it since it seems to only have one size heddle. I do have a 15 inch Schacht rigid heddle loom that I occasionally get out, but I do need to do something with it again. Right now I am knitting a cardigan, but after that is done, I may do some weaving. Thank you so much for all you do to encourage weavers and weaving.
I'm a quilter, we have snobbery, too. We're all just trying to learn and grow, to make something beautiful and/or useful, and we all have constraints and limiting factors. Those who encourage, grow. Let's flourish together.
Thankyou so much Kelly! I am appalled that people would be so horrible....not my experience....however wonderful of you to address this in your lovely way...and I can only reccommend your pot holder loom...we watched your video and then made it as instructed and I have had fun with it!
Thank you for the video. Well said! I am a self-taught spinner and now weaver. I have never joined a group. My floor loom is from the 1960s and cost me £80. The seller even delivered as he was so pleased that his mother in laws loom was going to a good home and would be used again. The loom does need work to do it up, but that is part of the journey too.
Hi Kelly. Just watched this video and your views are spot on. It is very timely for me in that I just shared a post for a request for donations via a FB request for a GoFundMe for a fiber and cloth group in Asheville NC whose members were decimated by Hurricane Helene. While only one group of many in need I chose to support them because I am a fiber enthusiast (in large part to you). Another person posted a response that astonished me. The reply was that volunteers did not have time to waste bringing yarn and fiber to folks affected by the storm implying that the request was inappropriate. The response was so beyond the point of the original request for financial donations that I did not bother to answer. It just made me sad to read that post. BTW, I did make a small donation as I do not live close enough to physically go and help.
Thank you for addressing this issue and standing up for people who might not be able to stand up for themselves. We don't need or want this in the craft world. People come to crafting for relaxation, creativity, and fellowship with other crafters. Snobs need to check themselves and ask why they are motivated to be critical or unkind.
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I'm so sorry the need is there for you to make this video. I give a lot of demonstrations as a weaver showcasing how weaving takes so many forms and use a few very simple tools to demonstrate how many ways there are to weave including a simple home made backstrap loom, my very first home made double shed loom, inkle loom, rug twining, Viking knit (weaving wire on a simple wooden dowel) and even a lucet fork. The joy of weaving can be simple or more complex but it's all a joy! I love getting young children involved and find their often imperfect work immensely joyful and beautiful.
Kelly, you are such a positive influence for all makers. I have seen actual instructors on RUclips and in online schools who are these type of snobs/bullies. It is such a shame that they probably turn so many people off from weaving or any other crafting.
Well said Kelly, the energy put into the comments by these bully's would be so much better spent on helping those weavers that are on the end of the vicious comments. You find bully's in all walks of life, sadly the person doing the bullying are only trying to help their own self esteem. pity them, they are usually lonely people as they don't attract people who think like them. Bless you.
I'm in a weaving group, part of a larger guild, that has a range of weavers from beginner to incredibly advanced. We do a show and tell at every meeting and it's a lovely experience. People are very supportive and often find the good in a piece that you've given up on. Many of us knit during the meeting and we encourage each other with that also.
Thank you Kelly for bringing this forward, and yes, I have been on the receiving end of weaving snobbery. I see a fair amount of it online vs in person. I started on a table loom 38 years ago and then moved to rigid heddle in the 90’s. I got a fair amount of snobbery from floor loom weavers about rigid heddle,that it was primitive and limiting.I sold the rigid heddle and moved to floor looms, and I don’t regret that. But in the pandemic I returned to RH and love that I am weaving on RH and floor looms too. We never know that the kindness we show others can completely change their lives. Kindness on our creative community is healing, and is the way to show how generous our creative community can be. Lastly, there is a great deal of weaving equipment that is used and can be had for very little money. Thrift stores, Ravelry, Craigslist, guild pages, so many ways to find used inexpensive equipment.Keep weaving!
I think it’s really easy to forget that we’re all of us only human, and that we don’t know what we don’t know. In recent months I have been using the concepts of self compassion and self gentleness as a meditative focus to help me learn to let go of the need to judge myself or others so harshly. Remaining calm, open hearted and kind even as I work to see people as they are, is really challenging, but so worth it. I’m really timid of sharing my work and my creative dreams with others, mostly because I struggle to stop judging myself when I run across criticism from random sources. It’s a learning process, but at least I have my crafting to keep up my spirits.
Thank you for addressing this very important topic. I don't have much experience with the weaving community as I am still mainly a knitter/crocheter and as others have said - it can be really bad there too. The amount of people looking down at those who only use cheaper yarns is immense (and so disheartening) Personally I was really lucky with my two knitting groups in London (miss them dearly since we moved away) - I joined my first ever group shortly after we had moved to London and I was so nervous and almost didn't go in. They were super welcoming and lovely. No snobbery of any kind there. Instead a lot of opportunity to learn about different ways to knit and all sorts of techniques (I was the only continental knitter btw). I really want to encourage anyone to at least try a local group or a few - you don't have to go a second time if the chemistry isn't what you want but you might loose out on a really lovely bunch of people (and that's coming from someone who's basically a hermit :D). Instead I had stupid comments from shop owners about my preferred needles for socks (you'd think they have more incentive in being kind and friendly to a customer :D). I do love my rigid heddle loom (though it is looking a bit sad due to neglection) and I wouldn't even want a fancier loom because I don't really plan to do anything else than plain weave, ideally with as little changes of yarn/colour in the process. I might try houndstooth at some point, or double weave if I feel really daring.
Very good advice. Weaving is weaving. It doesn't matter the equipment and materials because almost everything has been used throughout history. I have been shamed in multitudes of crafts but I do my own thing and enjoy it. After knitting for 10 years, I was shamed about the method. I am a thrower because I was taught that way and in my 20's was told that I should pick. I can throw and pick. I went to a sip and paint class. The instructor looked over my shoulder and asked if she could show the class my watercolor picture. I agreed and she told the class they should not do what I did on my picture. I stated clearly that I liked my picture even if it did not look like hers. Her painting was realistic and mine was a bit more abstract. Those comments hurt and I will remember them forever.
Oh yes! Thank you for your honesty. Years ago (in quilting, not weaving) I made the rookie mistake of asking whether a shop owner advertising sewing machine repairs offered services for my little workhorse model of a Brother, and she was aghast -- no, they only repaired high-end machines, like the ones they sold. I was shocked by the dismissiveness of her response but also found it amusing, having been raised by engineers and knowing the mechanical value of my little machine! Ever since I've been careful about avoiding faux-exclusivity and snobbery in any given craft, including weaving. My personal philosophy is that folk arts are for folk -- there's a place for everyone to make and participate. Anyone reading, please don't waste your time in cliquey, antagonistic spaces. There are so many compassionate and inclusive teachers and practitioners out there.
Thank you for everything you do for the weaving community! Everything about how you teach and encourage people has helped me have the courage to set off on a new career path as a weaver. I’m sure you have given countless others the same kind of positive motivation and knowledge that I feel so fortunate to have found on your RUclips channel and weaving school. Thanks also for taking the time to talk about important and hard things to help us all to remember how important it is to show kindness and acceptance to each other.
I was once tried to be made to feel less than because I do have a floor loom. This came from a tapestry weaver who felt she was an artist and could think of nothing worse than spending days warping a loom. Insert eye roll here (hers, not mine). I also have a rigid heddle and am in awe of the stunning projects that can be made on rh looms.
Yup, a more experienced weaver told me essentially not to try to become a journeyman because you can’t trust anything online. I literally taught myself to weave with the online community and love rigid heddle weaving. She really put me off of attempting to work towards learning the trade in a classical European way because of this. Once she leaves/doesn’t run the program will reconsider it as an option. Disappointed be side of the wealth of knowledge she could be passing to the next generation. Others say to move “up” from rigid heddle but there is so much that can be done on rigid heddle it’s amazing. When space is limited no way could I move to a table loom. I might try inkle looms instead rather than go larger.
Thank you SO MUCH, Kelly! Very well said. As a new weaver, learning on a RHL, I heard such snobbery from an experienced weaver at a small fiber arts show where she and others were displaying their beautiful work. I told her how beautiful her work was and that I was so excited to be learning to weave on my rigid heddle. The only thing she said was, "You know, children learn on those." That's it--no encouragement, no sharing my joy, no congratulations on starting something new in my retirement. Just saying my style of loom is made for kids. I smiled and said that my RHL was exactly what I wanted and needed, and I forgave her in my heart. Thanks again, Kelly!
Right on, Kelly. People who build their egos by putting others down deserve to be left behind. On the other hand, I admire people who have the creativity to start out on a weaving adventure (or whatever) by the most inventive means that are within their budgets.
I think I've been lucky. I'm an artist, but only started weaving a year ago. I started cheaply, to see if I'd like it beyond my initial curiousity - and I loved it. I received a rigid heddle loom for Christmas last year and was lucky enough that my husband found a local shop to purchase it and a shop owner more than willing to spend time to help and offer encouragement. That said, I might have started earlier, if I'd found more open encouragement - I found craftspeople that I encountered over the years to be a little closed off to a painter wanting info on their craft. I also come from an academic fine arts background that often frowned upon what IT considered the "lesser" arts... Weird, I know. That said, I grew up middle class in the horse world, so I've seen my share of snobbery and learned to deal with it at an early age :).
❤Thank you for bringing the subject ..I am completely seftaught because I start using fiber arts as theraphy when I was dealing with cancer treatments and I has help me with brain fog issues ..It is very healing . However, you made me realized that my father that was a graphic designer will unfortunately have thst kind of coments o behavior with me and my brother when we were trying to learn to draw 😢. My brother was even a better artist and drawer than him ..That is the reason I never try to learn to draw . Now that I past that I choose to do my own thing and in the process I have created beautiful pieces of crochet, sewing and learning to draw . I am now in this chanel venturing about weaving ...Be you ! Do not let anybody dictate your own creative journey!! 😊❤
As long as there are people, there will be those who try to elevate themselves by putting others down. I've seen it in the knitting, crocheting, and weaving communities, as well as in art (painting watercolor vs oil vs acrylic; pastel vs colored pencil), etc. It's a shame and I wish we could ALL be stronger when someone voices something ugly or derisive. Kudos to all of us who are able to find the strength to speak up or find the strength to leave.
Hello from USA- happened on this, and this kind and thoughtful insight applies to many aspects of life, where deliberately or thoughtlessly people say and do things that cause harm. Many thanks, am hoping to start weaving on an old loom my late mother brought from Sweden- if not, I will donate it to a loom guild. Best regards
Thank you, Kelly, for doing this video. I love being able to create on my rigid heddle loom. I don’t shop at my local yarn shop because they look down at me because of my loom.
What a very complex subject, and an interesting one too. There are so many levels of bullying, and individuals respond differently to it. I’ve seen work colleagues speak really derrogatively to each other, but still get through the day’s work together. On other occasions, sensitive souls are almost expecting people to treat them unkindly. I’ve seen very good fiends tease each other outrageously, but with a smile at the end of the provocation. If you didn’t catch their smiles you might be horrified and expected a fight any minute. There’s a full range of positive and negative teaching methods. It takes quite a while to get to know someone before you find the most effective learning outcome from them. The gentlest negative reinforcement might be “best not to do that”, while the recipient might’ve really tried hard to achieve something, and thought it was worthwhile. Anyway, this is just scratching the surface of social interaction. People have considered behaviour to one another for all time and will in the future.
During Covid, I started to weave on a loom I made with a piece of wood, and 2 combs with wide teeth. It worked, but I wanted more. We are not poverty level, but are frugal with our money. I purchased a 24" Rigid heddle loom, and also an assortment of small looms (inklette, bead, 20" potholder loom, and a couple pin looms). I have felt the snobbery, but no one has been rude enough to be direct. Different looms for different purposes. I find the 10" potholder loom, using loops works for me while travrlling. And was a lifesaver when my mother was in the hospital for a month. When people seeme weaving on the potholder loom, and get dismissive "Oh, I had one of those as a kid", I generally laugh and respond "so did I, but what I now make looks nothing like what I made as a kid". The snobbery generally disappears. And I like the stement anout weaving using s forked branch. Think I will try that soon!! Everyone, weave what you want, on what you want. Enjoy your journey!
This is a wonderful little video, so right. I have not experienced this problem with my weaving but that may be because I am the only weaver I know. I have joined facebook weaving groups and have only had positive experiences there. I have, on multiple occasions, been in this situation with rug hooking. Comments like “you should only use wool (as in felted strips) to hook with”, etc. I refer to it as “craft snobbery”. To hook a rug if you can pull a loop of something through a mesh like material you are hooking a rug. You can weave if you can make a warp and a weft. I wonder if artisans are afraid to share their knowledge thinking that the next person will turn out to be better? Without sharing knowledge it can be lost.
Same thing happened among the crocheting people..I was in an South African group where there were so many snobs. You could not use cheap acrylic yarn, then they looked down on your project.
The snobbery is not only in weaving groups. I am part of cookie, knitting, and quilting groups on FB where people get berated for the type of yarn, hooks, needles, vanilla, butter, etc that they use or are told to use ONLY the best of x brand. I think this is an awesome video and thank you addressing this.
Thank you for this video. I am learning to weave and there is snobbery about acrylic yarn. Lots of people turn their noses up at this although it produces a soft product and the colours are beautiful. I would eventually like to use wool but at the moment cannot afford it. It is the weaving process that I enjoy 😊❤️
I've had this occur to me in my Bobbin Lace craft. I am self taught and found a group that I could travel to. One day the monitor told a "newbie" not to look at the work I was doing, because I was too experienced. I thought the monitor should have said "something to aspire to". After a few words, I left that day and never returned.
Thank you ❤ for speaking on this topic. Totally turned me off weaving community! Went back to knitting find them in those groups as well. Thanks again.
Well said, Kelly.
My personal mantra when it comes to judging other's choices: you never lift yourself up by putting other people down.
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That is true, I always believed that there is only two types of people, those who stand out because of their actions and deeds and other is the ones that puch people around them down to stand out.
I bought a book recently on weaving as art therapy. It emphasizes low cost weaving, even to the point of using a “v” of a tree branch as your loom, and unraveled sweaters as your yarn. The ultimate goal is to enjoy the process of creating to relieve stress and tension. Snobbery does not belong in that process. Thank you for calling out all of those haters - I hope they see the error of their ways.
I used to knit quite extensively and it saved my mind a few times. I think I should go back to fiber arts. I have a student grade little loom and it's fun too. One can make a professional work with the simplest tools, I believe.
I’m a Certified Tribal Artist with an Alaska Tlingit tribal council. I embarked on making cultural tribal designs but made with contemporary methods. Mainly knitting & on a rigid heddle loom, to show that tribal designs in fiber art CAN be made using bare yarns that’s ready made, dyed with modern acid dyes, made with various “modern” methods. I want to show that “modern” tribal fiber art can still be beautiful, made with a vast array of colors, and the pieces can still carry their meanings and tribal fiber art does NOT have to be only made via Chilkat weaving (tapestry twining, all done by hand, using only local fibers that’s extremely hard to get because mountain goat is hardly hunted to begin with, and the fabric’s woven on a stick with only hand spun yarns that are dyed with only local botanicals.
Chilkat weaving’s extremely labor intensive & time consuming.
It is beautiful but there is only a handful of Chilkat weavers because of all those constraints. They do create breathtaking work but other tribal fiber artists have treated me like I’m not making anything good and not considered a tribal fiber artist even by my tribal organizations because the government also dictates that tribal fiber artists can only get grants and funding if they are strictly traditional Chilkat wesvers.
Not many of the designs are seen, the blankets are thousands of dollars so they’re hardly purchased.
I want to show that tribal designs can be made many ways, made with any yarn, any color, using any method that is still by hand.
Ironically I’m the direct descendant of Chief Shakes VII & named after Native activist Matilda McKinnon Paul Tamaree, and my Great-Uncle William Paul was the first Native lawyer and state legislator that won the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act of 1971 that formed the tribal organizations.
It is hard, sometimes I wonder why bother making anything that is trying to help keep the designs “alive”, shown on scarves, shawls, hats, etc.
I have only been treated well by non-tribal communities.
It’s sad, I just want to show that tribal art can still be beautiful and meaningful on contemporary fabrics that are not only large blankets.
I designed my own knit patterns and weavings that are interchangeable so I make each item with randomly chosen patterns that are paired with my two color brioche patterns that help illustrate and interpret the tribal designs or the stories behind them.
I buy bare yarns, hand dye them with acid dyes using citric acid.
But because my pieces are made with modern methods, modern materials, with my modern patterns, most tribal artists look down at what I make.
Thank you for telling your story. Sadly, I think this experience could be felt in many kinds of traditional craft scenarios. Perhaps people forget that most skills developed eons by using materials that were on hand. Today, there are many different materials, tools, fibres etc available. There’s a place for doing things the old way and a place for moving forward; hopefully we can all learn to be nice to each other.
I think it's really admirable to make choices about your art to help you further your goal of design preservation and promotion. So much can be lost just due to disuse. Especially when the people who originated the pattern can no longer afford the end product!
Thank you so much for the critically important work that you are doing and for sharing your story. I'm terribly sorry that you have been treated like this. We applaud you and celebrate you commitment and your artistry. I hope their attitudes and comments will change and you will be celebrated! Keep being awesome!!!!!
Your story is worth being published. Have you reached out to any art or weaving magazines?
I am disabled, and have a tiny apartment. There is no space for a big loom here. Next to that my income is like you say, below or right at poverty level. I am creative with my money, so I managed to save up for a rigid heddle loom, and I am so proud I managed to buy one. Nobody can take that from me. I do beat myself up though, since I still haven't build up the courage to actually start weaving. I am still trying to figure out where to find enough space to put the yarn on long enough. What is ridiculous, I can start with a shorter piece, I think I am just afraid to fail. What is ridiculous as well, for you can undo it and start over. I have been bullied all over my life, over so many things, I got over feeling bad about what other people say. Though I am going towards 60, and I do remember that when I was younger, those people did get to me. So to all that feel bad about what others think, they have a problem, not you. It is easy if you can just buy what ever you want. I think if you had to give it efford, and succeeded, that means a heck of a lot more! Be proud of it! No matter what it is about. If one needs to bring somebody down, to feel good about themself, they are just a pathetic person. Once you realize that, it will help you to feel better about what you have accomplished. Much love to you all! And thank you for this video, Kelly! It is good you point this out, so many people seem to feel so low these days, that they kick somebody else. I hope you reach some that will actually realize it is their problem, and work on themselfs. ❤
I agree, it's worth a lot more if you really have to work for it. Congratulations on your loom, I'm so happy for you! Now, how do we help you to get your first project going? 😊
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If you live on the Colorado Front Range by chance drop me a line. I’ll come teach you how to get warped and weaving in no time.
Hi. I have very limited space as well making it difficult to warp my rigid heddle looms. There are some good RUclips videos and on other sources for hybrid warping onto a rigid heddle and doing indirect warping similar to how a floor loom is warped. I just indirect warped by Kromski Rigid Heddle. It went well and was quick and easy. Check those out if you are not close to anyone who can help in person. And feel free to reach out to us-I am sure one of us can answer questions or provide tips. Hope this helps you start your first project!
There's a lady on tube who talks about adaptive warping and uses an accordian coat rack for warping longer projects
I rarely leave comments but I just watched your video and wanted to relay this positive experience. I belong to a guild of almost all floor loom weavers, who know nothing about the rigid heddle but have been respectful. One day one of the excellent floor loom weavers came in with a “toy loom” just like yours. She got it at a flea market for $1 and was thrilled! I pointed her to your video where you showed how to warp and weave with it. It was so nice that she was thrilled and not condescending to this toy. This is a group worth belonging to.
That is wonderful to hear 🥰
Hi Kelly. I have always wanted to weave and to learn how to spin yarn. I have a Fisher Price loom that works well for me. I have made many beautiful things with this 'toy', and I've given many gifts of my home made crafts. Weaving is about the meditative process, and it is soothing. Blessings to you and yours. I just found and subscribed to your channel. No one has ever bullied or been critical of my handicrafts. We are all here on Earth to live our best lives, and to do what fulfills our spirit. It is our responsibility and a great joy to encourage each other on this journey called LIFE. Thank you for the message from this video.
Couldn’t agree more. I have been driven from two different knitting groups from bullying and/or snobbery. I knit for the simple joy of the process, I make simple projects with cheap acrylic yarn and I am always proud of my achievements. I just do it in the privacy of my own home now without any critics because of this very behavior. Nice video and great subject matter. Bottom line, don’t allow ANYONE to steal your joy and if that means removing yourself from the group, then so be it.
There is plenty of this stuff around. When people get snobbish about loom types, I remember that the Vikings sailed and explored, found Iceland, Greenland, and even North America. They also traded through the Mediterranean, up Russian rivers and also into the Baltic. Their sails were made on home-made warp-weighted looms and from handspun wool. Even a simple 2 shaft loom can be the entrée to amazing things. I am not above reminding people of this, should it be necessary.
I couldn't afford to buy looms when i first started weaving. I made an inkle loom first and then a ridged heddle. They both worked just fine for what i wanted to do at the time. I now own second hand Leclerc 4 shaft. I try to buy yarn at thrift stores. Most of the time I have no idea what the fiber content is. I'm having fun learning and creating fabric. That is the important thing. You don't have to have the "best" most expensive equipment to be creative and have fun.
Everyone should be able to do what gives happiness, with what they have/can afford/like doing.
Support someone finding joy.
There is little enough in the world.
Treasure and encourage it to flourish.
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Thank you for making this video. Crafting should really be about making joy, this sort of nonsense is also rife in the knitting world and I hate it.
I was so excited when I got my rigid heddle loom that I immediately posted a picture online and another weaver immediately told me I'd grow out of it really fast and that it was a waste of money. It was £275 and was my birthday present, probably the most expensive gift I've ever had. It did put me off, I haven't shared any more photos of my weaving since.
Not everyone can rise above comments like that (and the examples you gave are horrendous) . A lot of people would be absolutely crushed by those sorts of slurs and that's just not OK is it.
The people that make those sort of comments should really have a good long think about what they hope to achieve by gatekeeping. A light in one room does not shine brighter by turning off another light across town. ❤
Love that!
I would adore seeing what you have created with your lovely rigid heddle loom! ♥
Well written, and though full of others even less robust to unkind comment. As another responder said here, I too would be very interested in anything you make. I’ll swap you some of my creations roo if you like? They might be in a very different realm to your skills. I have some successes, several failures, some abandonment, some poor planning, and some big successes too. Mine are mostly in hard material environments and towards engineering. I might be just as fascinated making looms.
I love this talk! Weaving was always interesting to me all my life, but as a child, didn't know where to start. There was no one around me who knew how to help me. As I got older found more ways to do it as your suggestions. It has been a long road. Now I live in a state known for its long history of weaving,but when I tried to get involved with a group I found out that there were two main groups here. One filled with well off retirees who took expensive classes, bought expensive looms and yarns. Another had family ties to weaving going back for generations and didn't like spending any time with "outsiders". I think it helps to have some built in stubbornness and perseverance. Other people who I have known have experienced the same. It would have been nice to get together and help each other, but they felt rejected and discouraged and gave up on it. People who can be found on the internet, like you,have contributed so much to us self motivated weavers. You are one of the reasons I didn't give up. Bless you. You are a wonderful mentor for all. 7
I've reconnected with our local Fibre Arts group since I bought my Ashford SampleIT loom and they are so supportive and happy to help.
❤ so wonderful!! Thank you!! So many people live things and use people instead of the loving way around!!
Wise words that can apply to so many things in life!
Wow, I had no idea! I am self taught on all my crafting and don't belong to any groups. Think I will keep it that way!!
Yeah I taught myself mine too, and Id rather struggle on, and not take my weakness out into the world to be made fun of.. lifes got enough things to struggle against without seeking them
A casual one off day visit to your local guild only costs about $5-10. Despite the often inevitable "tight click" and occasional snobbery of some members, the guilds are an amazing local resource for virtually free instruction, one-on-one up-skilling, and therefore inspiration.
As a visitor to the guild you have the increased freedom of being able to call out any behaviours that interfere with your mission to learn and see others creating things that interest you.
Personally I find formal fibre groups a bit much for me, however because these places are often filled with decades worth of learning the occasional visit can really motivate you if you've been given a gem of knowledge while there.
The breath of fresh air a day visitor can bring into a room will often smash up elitist vibes in a group too.😂
@ well. I had asked the hoster about learning/improving my long draw spinning.
When i reminded her nearer the end she was super huffy. Sat down actually didnt do long draw and got up and walked off. No help whatsoever. It seemed 100% based on having yes men to pad her ego. Fortunately its run during working hours so its not something i can normally go to nor would i want to
@@lizkimber Definitely a wrong group situation. There's a lot of them.. and I'm a natural disrupter in places like that.
@ tbh i dont know how i didnt pitch some amazing fit with my rather large lungs (i not only have a voice which carries. But big lung power) and explain in tiny details about how rude and so on they all were.
In that kind of situation I often find that putting explicit words to their intentions embarrasses bullies. They want the hurt to be unspoken so you can’t defend against it, but saying something like “what an incredibly unkind thing to say to someone” moves away from your own feelings (which they’d probably want to be further cruel about) and puts their poor behavior on display. In a situation where adults are behaving so badly, they should be forced to own the pettiness and unkindness of their choices.
I am not an experienced weaver. I tried it out for the first time a little over 2 years ago. I was mostly into tapestry weaving. I had effectively no money, so my first loom was hand made out of PVC. I just bought my first rigid heddle loom less than a week ago. Am I any better than when I started: no. I’m still learning and experiencing problems daily. What I can is, watching videos like yours has given me a lot of very useful advice. And learning, making mistakes and finding flaws and faults are all part of the process. And this applies to all things. Thank you for your videos and to anyone who is having trouble, it gets easier the more time you spend on it. Never feel ashamed of your mistakes or your lack of resources.
Congratulations on your loom, some things are worth the wait! 🥰
I used to teach weaving to kids using corrugated cardboard to make small looms to weave wool pouches which we later felted. They were used as card holders, lavender pouches, soap holders for gardeners to scrub their hands. Why on earth would you make someone bad for trying to be creative no matter what tool they were using. As you said, there are bullies who need to put other people down to feel good about themselves.
Thank you for addressing this in such a great way. It is an unfortunate thing that I have seen in many different communities, from weaving - loom type, to knitting - using acrylic yarns and not just super expensive wools, to window painting to hiking (don't get me started on the backpacking "gear police"), to even just someone off the street walking in to my work (I work night audit at a hotel with a lot of free time) and noticing I am working on a crafty project and deciding to tell me why I am doing it wrong. It is so frustrating. Let's all just lift each other up!
Brilliant video Kelly. I think we have all come across people in craft that put others down. Definitely a topic worth talking about
Thank you for reaching out to weavers who have been snubbed because they didn't have a different kind of loom. I know you must have comforted many by airing this subject. I started out one Christmas on a little toy loom as a young girl. I am now retired and few years ago I found a wonderful shop 90 miles away in Waco and took some lessons. I bought a Schacht Flip rigid heddle loom. Folds neatly to store in the corner when I am done weaving for the day. Love it! and The staff are all so encouraging and friendly. I love watching weaving tutorials like yours on youtube. Yours is my favorite site! People give me their old knitting yarn and I warp up my loom and practice perfecting my technique. The project may end up as a fancy brooks bouquet dust rag but I don't care. I weave for the joy of it. I can learn new weaves just as easily with that old yarn as I could if I had a wildly expensive yarn. Good practice for when I occasionally splurge on some lovely yarn. I just found a book, Crazy Shot! and can now learn overshot weaving on my rigid heddle loom. Again, thank you for sharing your weaving experience with us. Bless you!
I belong to a great group, we just did a forum on adapting to physical challenges. I started out with a peg loom- chopsticks with holes bored into the ends, and a huge old discarded piece of wood for a stand- made a few rugs with that. I was blessed with the RHL and floor loom from a friend ( they are long term loan)
This happens in so many hobbies. It’s really sad that it stops some people from enjoying these hobbies. I’m glad that you made this video!
Great topic Kelly!
I have been weaving for many years on a four shaft floor loom. It's only recently that I got a Rigid Heddle Loom, for portability purposes. I can tell you, first hand, that Rigid Heddle weaving is just as challenging and rewarding as multi shaft weaving. ❤
Thanks, Kelly, for this important video.
We are sadly used to seeing this type of attitude in many areas of life that are set up to be competitive (in school, at work and in politics, to name the most obvious examples). But your video is a reminder that it can happen even in activities that should be entirely joyful and creative and noncompetitive.
I was brought up in an environment that emphasized competition, so when I was younger, I tended to look at everything through a lens of comparison and judging. Life is much more fun now that I recognize and reject that lens. Not without effort sometimes - old habits die hard - but it’s worth the effort.
I started on a frame loom: I needed to keep my hands busy while keeping our mom company at the hospital, this was cheap, the yarns were pretty, everything was portable, and it kept all of us occupied. So far, I haven't graduated past the rigid heddle or the medieval box loom, and am perfectly content. Snobbery in any field is unnecessary, cruel, restrictive, and discouraging. It's a tool to destroy the very hobby or field that the perpetuator practices.
Anytime someone tells me "there's only one right way to do xyz in weaving" I remind myself that humans have been spinnign and weaving for thousands of years and they sure as hell have been successful in weaving a MULTITUDE of ways with much less technology, etc. than we have today. If our ancient ancestors could do make it up on the fly and still have some success then so can you and I!
Exactly! 😊
I bought this loom because of the videos you made with this. Thank you.
Glad to hear it, I hope you love it!
I totally agree with you. Quite often I see people focusing more on the tools than weaving itself. I don't blame them because with all the beautiful tools available, acquiring them could be a hobby in itself. But, for those who think you can't weave without them, it would help to take a look at traditional weavers in India who have extremely simple equipment but make the most exquisite fabric. And they have been weaving them for centuries. In a nutshell, it's the skill that is more important than the tools. 😊
Absolutely!
I haven't been bullied about my weaving but I spend 99.9% of my time alone in my home and don't know any other weavers. I'm also happy to say I've not ever bullied anyone else about their weaving or, hopefully, anything else. Life's too short to go around minding the business of others when I do well to keep all my ducks in a row!
I also spend most of my weaning time alone in my loom room lol
Thank you for starting this important conversation, Kelley - well said, and excellent advice! Here's what I always tell people, especially beginners, in any craft:
The most accomplished violinist in the world started the same way as everyone else - by making nothing but horrible noise for a very long time!
Don't be afraid of trying something new. You're going to make a mess and screw everything up - that's what learning means, it's the whole point! Of course there will be things that are frustrating and discouraging; it happens to everyone, no matter how advanced they are (or think they are). The only thing that matters is the happiness you feel when you are making something by hand. It's your time, your life, your choices; pursue what brings you joy.
One other thing: At the end of the day, just about every fiber craft comes down to Sticks and String. That's it; all the rest is just technology. 🧶💕
This happened to me almost 40 years ago when I took a quilting class with a very well known quilting instructor. I was so excited to be in her class!! I was using a Singer Featherweight sewing machine from 1956 and mint greens and pinks for my fabric. She made the most disparaging comments about both and I felt so ashamed. When the class broke for lunch, I packed up my gear and left. It was years before I quilted again. Happily, I now quilt, weave, knit, and spin! Getting older has helped me to put her cruel words behind me and realize that she had the problem, not me….
I'm glad you were able to get back to quilting and other creative things too ❤️
It is a very sad case that any maker is a bully. It is part of our world sadly. This is in all groups. I love your comments. Thanks for being a real person. We can all form our own positive groups.
YOU, are qualified because YOU are a nice person and have the courage to stand up for others. Yes, I’ve been told my RH was not real and my yarn was not good enough. Thank for your comments Kelly.
Thank you for this video Kelly 💕. I wish I knew more people who thought this way
Kelly, you rock! I adore your videos and they have been an enormous help in my weaving journey. I also admire that you call out bad behavior. I do too. Keep up your very good work. ❤
Thank you, I appreciate the support! 🥰
The two weaving classes I took in college were a blessing, and I felt safe because my Instructor kept bullying to a minimum…because she was bullied. But I have experienced bullying in Quilting, Knitting, and Old Lacers local group as a Newbie. So your recommendation about how to handle this issue. BYW the Quilt AND Knitting Shops both closed. It’s a shame. Maybe your words will really help ALL creative folks who are starting out. Bless you Kelly!
Weaving at all is pretty amazing. Making fabric with string, yarn or thread is an amazing act of creation. There are plenty of folks that have narrow or small looms that they use to sew things together and make blankets and the like. Jiffy looms are coming back into fashion but funnily enough I could only afford an old model from the 70s. (I do have a wide rigid heddle loom.)
The family has a large floor loom, something like 4-8 shafts. A good brand given away because someone was downsizing.
It's in a storage room because it's just too big (and heavy). Houses and apartments are just built so small that you need a separate room for a multi shift floor loom. Either that or rent a loom/time at a fiber studio. My RH is big, but at least I can sort of tuck it away. I've seen people sleigh floor looms. It looks like it takes 4x the amount of time to sleigh as a rigid heddle loom does, at least!
I probably won't use a floor loom unless it's a make-your-own-project class at a center. I just don't have the space and Im not interested. (This is not even to count the money. ) multi shift loom pieces are beautiful. *shrug*
What an amazing video! And I agree it is not talked about enough at all. I crochet, weave and knit and will say I've definitely seen more yarn snobbery in weaving and knitting for some reason. Crochet groups tend to be more accepting of all kinds of yarn. Yarn is expensive even for acrylics and in my case and for many others, its often all I can afford to use for my crafts. To be made to feel less than for something that you can't afford is an aweful thing, so I'm so glad you've started this conversation. As usual your knowledge, kindness and grace are so comforting. I'm so happy and proud to be a member of your groups and student of your classes! ❤
Hey Kelly, let me first say as a very novice weaver, only starting off a month ago I do found your videos very informative and I also like your style of presentation. As someone that is very handy and always building things I never come around to get into weaving, though it always fascinated me and now only in the late part of my life I have taken up weaving. But into your question about people making others feel inferior, it haven't happen to me, yet, when it comes to weaving, but most of us in same stage in our lives encounter such treatment at work or otherwise and I agree with you how to manage the situation. Thanks again on teaching this old dog some tricks 😊 Petrus from South Africa
Thank you for this people enjoy what they are weaving on don't make them feel bad. Thank you again❤❤
This resonates me with spinning. While I strongly feel I've never been bullied, I'm surprised by how often I have to explain why i dont have a spinning wheel or e-spinner. I love drop spinning and I'm as productive with it as I desire. Tools don't have to be fancy or expensive to enjoy the craft!
another spinner here! Though I do have two wheels (and a friend sent me an e-spinner which I still haven't used), I'm much more a drop spindle person: easy to transport, can spin anywhere, don't take up a lot of space, can be much more mobile... I think I have about 20 spindles and multiple ongoing spinning projects. Do you have a preferred fiber?
I've been with you since the cardboard weaving loom lesson. I've been blessed by encouragement from those around me. I have enjoyed everything you do and watching your talented daughter grow up. God bless you!
Thank you, God bless you too 🥰
Thank you Kelly for bringing this up. Calling out bullies is very important. Like you say it gives them a chance to change their ways otherwise just leave them to it. Thank you ❤️
I’m so glad you brought this up Kelly. I’ve “sensed” a certain attitude when I’m with a group of more experienced weavers, or floor loom weavers when I mention that I have rigid heddle looms and that I use acrylic and other yarns as opposed to wools, cottons and silks.
Well said! I have been on both sides of the conversation. For me hurting someone is done when I have engaged my mouth without engaging my brain. I am able to say I am sorry and I do. I am a beginnnnner weaver and have learned so much from you. Thank you.
Fortunately the spinning and weaving group I’m in is wonderful. We all care for and encourage each other. Also, no one would be game enough to treat me or my friends like that, I can give better than I get. Don’t let anyone treat you that way just to make themselves feel better x
Hi Kelly and fellow weavers, hope you're having a lovely day. 🥰 I have so much to say about this that I am not sure where to even start, but I do know a lot about bullies as I was in the receiving end of their rants for the vast majority of my life. You know that bullies will be the same regardless of the subject involved. It's always "you'll never be X", "you're not doing it the right way (my way)", "that is not the right tool for X", etc etc etc. And they quite often are also narcisists. I am aware that some bullies do redeem themselves, but not all. I am also aware some became sour people in their lives, because something happened to them. That still isn't an excuse to rain on other people's parade, is it?
Many of us make do with what we have and sometimes have to be creative how to go about things. And that is a gift, I think. SOmetimes you really want to make something, but always find yourself short of something, so you improvise. That is great, shows commitment and creativity. I've seen people making looms out of cardboard, literal table looms, not just a piece of cardboard, people making their own wooden looms, etc. And anyone that comes into ours lives and says, "you don't have a real loom", "you should just quit"... lady, I didn't quit doing X Y and Z just because someone was being a bully and I'm still here. Remind yourself that you don't have to listen to these people. Think how far you've come by doing what you wanted and not caring what bullies said. They will say anything whether you answer them or not, whether you do things their way or not. Keep doing you, don't listen to them and if you do have to say something to them, you can always say "I'm sorry you feel that way. Good luck with that." It looks polite, but we all know what it means.
So, after my own rant 😂 I hope everyone has a good weekend and happy weaving!
P.S.: I'll have them "real weavers" going nuts by saying that my first woven piece was in acrylic yarn. That should bother them and snob knitters too. 😂🤣
I use acrylic yarn all the time in weaving and knitting! Wool is itchy and way too pricey!!
Your comments on "snobbery" were right on the money. Thank you for presenting this topic with accurate compassion. I have never found any group...as yet... so rely on my online teachers. You are my new find for great weaving instructions! I am in a very rural area but feel a part of a much larger group of fiber artists on my phone.(not even internet that works)
This actually happens in every single “community” out there. A few “communities” I’ve been part of that do this to people: weaving, spinning, crochet, knit, cheesemaking, bread baking, metal stamping, sewing, cloth menstrual pads, reptile owners, isopod keepers, vivarium/terrarium creation and maintenance, dog owners, cat owners, raising sheep, raising goats, milking goats, schools, church, pet bird owners, raising chickens, raising rabbits, homemaking, decorating, politics, parenting, wife-ing, vehicle purchases, instrument purchases, gardening, emergency preparedness, kitchen gadgets, music, and on and on. I’ve been the recipient of this nonsense, stood up for people, been kicked out of groups, shamed, and more - in every single “community.” I fully agree that it needs to stop. I’m also sadly convinced that it never will.
But we can try slow em down :D
@@lizkimber And certainly not add to the meanness ❤️
PREACH!!! You are speaking such deep truth. I'm learning how to weave rag rugs with the most wonderful artist who has experienced this toxic snobbery. People like you and Carol are the heart of this craft❤️
why do people have to be so nasty and hateful its so easy to give helpful and positive feed back and if not just scroll by i am new to this community and a very new weaver thank you so much for speaking out and maybe giving some of us the courage to speak much love to all lets all weave some love to all
Thank you Kelly for this video!!! I’ve had this happen to me.
Just because I am basically a new weaver, I’ve had people who believe they are better than me, tell me that I don’t know how to weave due to the type of yarns I use, that I’m not using enough patterns in my work, that I should not be using Mohair and much much more.
I am now virtually on my own as I will not join another craft group and actually I now feel quite relieved to be weaving on my own!! Thank heavens for you and your channels as these videos are not only helpful in terms of how to do just about anything in weaving that you could want to know but they also pick me up and help me to realise that these types of people are not the sort of people I want to be around. This is great advice.
I have an old handmade 4 shaft floor loom which I feel very lucky to have. I bought this 2nd hand but the lady who sold it to me assured me that it worked well. I just have to replace the heddles as they are rusty, but I had a weaver who was visiting laugh at it and said, it wasn’t worth the money. I only paid a small amount for it anyway, though at the time, I felt quite disheartened. However, I don’t care now, as I am going to learn how to use it as I love it and I’m sure it will be a beauty.
At one point I thought I’d give up on weaving as the other people in the craft group were so negative and critical of everything I did. Now , I couldn’t care less as I don’t have to see or hear them anymore.
Thank you so much Kelly, you’ve given me the confidence to keep going, so now am feeling really happy that I continued on wth it!!!! ❤❤❤
I’ve been weaving for over 25 years and am self taught. I broke the rules for warping my loom as well as what yarns to use. Was told that I was doing it wrong. But I didn’t let that stop me. I learned you can get away with a lot on a 3 yard warp. I also learned why you want to follow rules when putting on a longer warp-tension issues do not make for fun weaving. I am not a weaver that is a perfectionist and that is okay. I know weavers who are. If you are new to weaving don’t worry what others think just enjoy the process. My very first project were placemats woven with crochet thread. Not a good choice but taught me a lot about salvage edges. My warping board was finish nails hammered on the wall-3 yards. I recently taught children how to weave with drinking straws. In order to show them that you can make something other than bracelets or belts I wove strips of cloth and sewed them together to make a bag using yarn purchased at WalMart. The possibilities are endless. You can also weave using a cardboard box.
I had an experience when I was 16 that I'll never forget. I bought a couple looms off Craigslist that they were junk. It really discouraged me from learning for years.
Hi to all - I have not experienced this situation because I am an all alone weaver using on Kelly Casanova lessons, etc. We do have a guild in my town in Florida, but it is too far and I don't want to drive to the meetings every two months. I did see one speaker on line, but I don't think they actually have lessons. Kelly's lessons are certainly sufficient for anything I am doing. It all came about because after my mother passed away, she had a friend that wove a scarf for me that looked like a piano keyboard. I adored it and still do. That inspired me to inquire about this hobby. Then I bought an Ashford Rigid Heddle Loom (actually I asked my husband to give it to me as a gift). I was so excited that I actually put it together by myself, then started looking online for the perfect place to learn and I found it with Kelly Casanova. I have learned so much and I plan on learning how to do everything I can on this loom. Also, I started reading about this process and how this weaving actually goes back to Biblical times. I wish all of you weavers the best and hope that you enjoy your craft at all levels. I have attached a picture of the lovely scarf (my parents and siblings are all musicians) and I have also attached a youtube link to amazing people in Ukraine who are still practicing their weaving traditions in spite of war. The Peace of God be With You All. ruclips.net/video/Lf2QS80po8U/видео.htmlsi=-6YyR3btYznmv54q (Sorry, I can't figure out how to attach the picture of the scarf) Maybe I will attach it on the lessons site.
Unfortunately RUclips doesn't allow photo attachments, but having seen the scarf I can vouch for the fact that it is indeed beautiful!
Thank you for this really insightful video Kelly. I had no idea that people could be be so mean about weaving- any craft- this probably because I’ve never had time to really join a guild . I have, however, been to craft shows and overheard some truly awful comments made about hand made items. As a very new older weaver i plan on carrying on with my lovely Ashford rigid heddle looms. I joined your online school, and get such joy working through your many projects.
And for those of you who feel bullied- chin up, keep doing what YOU like doing- and don’t let the miserable people win. Thanks again Kelly for everything that you do❤
Love You! Thanks for all you do for weaving and helping all of us.💖
Oh and i really wish you had groups somewhere besides Facebook which i left many years ago for too many reasons to mention 🙏🙏🙏
Kelly, thank you for this very thoughtful talk about bullying. I am late in responding because I have not had internet for over a week due to hurricane Helene effects here in SC, USA. I appreciate what you have said. I am not part of any guild so have not experienced this type of bullying, but knowing human nature, I can readily understand how this can occur. Anytime I have reached out to you for comments or questions, you have always responded in a very helpful and positive manner. It is interesting about the "toy loom" because I was thinking of purchasing one for my grandchildren to use, but I was afraid that I would not be able to fix it up like you did on yours after watching your video on it. Also, I am not sure what items can be made on it since it seems to only have one size heddle. I do have a 15 inch Schacht rigid heddle loom that I occasionally get out, but I do need to do something with it again. Right now I am knitting a cardigan, but after that is done, I may do some weaving. Thank you so much for all you do to encourage weavers and weaving.
I'm a quilter, we have snobbery, too. We're all just trying to learn and grow, to make something beautiful and/or useful, and we all have constraints and limiting factors. Those who encourage, grow. Let's flourish together.
Thankyou so much Kelly! I am appalled that people would be so horrible....not my experience....however wonderful of you to address this in your lovely way...and I can only reccommend your pot holder loom...we watched your video and then made it as instructed and I have had fun with it!
I'm glad you are enjoying the loom Lynda 😊
Thank you for the video. Well said! I am a self-taught spinner and now weaver. I have never joined a group. My floor loom is from the 1960s and cost me £80. The seller even delivered as he was so pleased that his mother in laws loom was going to a good home and would be used again. The loom does need work to do it up, but that is part of the journey too.
Wow, that was a bargain!
Hi Kelly. Just watched this video and your views are spot on. It is very timely for me in that I just shared a post for a request for donations via a FB request for a GoFundMe for a fiber and cloth group in Asheville NC whose members were decimated by Hurricane Helene. While only one group of many in need I chose to support them because I am a fiber enthusiast (in large part to you). Another person posted a response that
astonished me. The reply
was that volunteers did not
have time to waste bringing
yarn and fiber to folks
affected by the storm implying that the request was inappropriate. The
response was so beyond
the point of the original
request for financial donations that I did not bother to answer. It just made me sad to read that post. BTW, I did make a small donation as I do not live close enough to physically go and help.
That was a lovely gesture and I'm sure the group would appreciate donations very much ❤️
Thank you for addressing this issue and standing up for people who might not be able to stand up for themselves. We don't need or want this in the craft world. People come to crafting for relaxation, creativity, and fellowship with other crafters. Snobs need to check themselves and ask why they are motivated to be critical or unkind.
I'm so sorry the need is there for you to make this video. I give a lot of demonstrations as a weaver showcasing how weaving takes so many forms and use a few very simple tools to demonstrate how many ways there are to weave including a simple home made backstrap loom, my very first home made double shed loom, inkle loom, rug twining, Viking knit (weaving wire on a simple wooden dowel) and even a lucet fork. The joy of weaving can be simple or more complex but it's all a joy! I love getting young children involved and find their often imperfect work immensely joyful and beautiful.
I love that you're doing that, many people are very interested in weaving when they see it demonstrated but may not have thought about it much before.
Kelly, you are such a positive influence for all makers. I have seen actual instructors on RUclips and in online schools who are these type of snobs/bullies. It is such a shame that they probably turn so many people off from weaving or any other crafting.
Well said Kelly, the energy put into the comments by these bully's would be so much better spent on helping those weavers that are on the end of the vicious comments. You find bully's in all walks of life, sadly the person doing the bullying are only trying to help their own self esteem. pity them, they are usually lonely people as they don't attract people who think like them. Bless you.
I'm in a weaving group, part of a larger guild, that has a range of weavers from beginner to incredibly advanced. We do a show and tell at every meeting and it's a lovely experience. People are very supportive and often find the good in a piece that you've given up on. Many of us knit during the meeting and we encourage each other with that also.
Thank you Kelly for bringing this forward, and yes, I have been on the receiving end of weaving snobbery. I see a fair amount of it online vs in person. I started on a table loom 38 years ago and then moved to rigid heddle in the 90’s. I got a fair amount of snobbery from floor loom weavers about rigid heddle,that it was primitive and limiting.I sold the rigid heddle and moved to floor looms, and I don’t regret that. But in the pandemic I returned to RH and love that I am weaving on RH and floor looms too. We never know that the kindness we show others can completely change their lives. Kindness on our creative community is healing, and is the way to show how generous our creative community can be. Lastly, there is a great deal of weaving equipment that is used and can be had for very little money. Thrift stores, Ravelry, Craigslist, guild pages, so many ways to find used inexpensive equipment.Keep weaving!
I think it’s really easy to forget that we’re all of us only human, and that we don’t know what we don’t know. In recent months I have been using the concepts of self compassion and self gentleness as a meditative focus to help me learn to let go of the need to judge myself or others so harshly. Remaining calm, open hearted and kind even as I work to see people as they are, is really challenging, but so worth it. I’m really timid of sharing my work and my creative dreams with others, mostly because I struggle to stop judging myself when I run across criticism from random sources. It’s a learning process, but at least I have my crafting to keep up my spirits.
Thank you for addressing this very important topic. I don't have much experience with the weaving community as I am still mainly a knitter/crocheter and as others have said - it can be really bad there too. The amount of people looking down at those who only use cheaper yarns is immense (and so disheartening)
Personally I was really lucky with my two knitting groups in London (miss them dearly since we moved away) - I joined my first ever group shortly after we had moved to London and I was so nervous and almost didn't go in. They were super welcoming and lovely. No snobbery of any kind there. Instead a lot of opportunity to learn about different ways to knit and all sorts of techniques (I was the only continental knitter btw).
I really want to encourage anyone to at least try a local group or a few - you don't have to go a second time if the chemistry isn't what you want but you might loose out on a really lovely bunch of people (and that's coming from someone who's basically a hermit :D).
Instead I had stupid comments from shop owners about my preferred needles for socks (you'd think they have more incentive in being kind and friendly to a customer :D).
I do love my rigid heddle loom (though it is looking a bit sad due to neglection) and I wouldn't even want a fancier loom because I don't really plan to do anything else than plain weave, ideally with as little changes of yarn/colour in the process. I might try houndstooth at some point, or double weave if I feel really daring.
Thank you. Goes for anything we do. I appreciate your wisdom :o) Blessings
Thank you 🥰
Very good advice. Weaving is weaving. It doesn't matter the equipment and materials because almost everything has been used throughout history. I have been shamed in multitudes of crafts but I do my own thing and enjoy it. After knitting for 10 years, I was shamed about the method. I am a thrower because I was taught that way and in my 20's was told that I should pick. I can throw and pick. I went to a sip and paint class. The instructor looked over my shoulder and asked if she could show the class my watercolor picture. I agreed and she told the class they should not do what I did on my picture. I stated clearly that I liked my picture even if it did not look like hers. Her painting was realistic and mine was a bit more abstract. Those comments hurt and I will remember them forever.
I thought sip and paint was all about fun and learning in a relaxed atmosphere?!
Oh wow, that is an awful experience. Weren’t you all there just to relax and have fun?
Unfortunately there are bullies everywhere and snobs in every area of life. Good to address this and good suggestions for dealing with this!
Oh yes! Thank you for your honesty. Years ago (in quilting, not weaving) I made the rookie mistake of asking whether a shop owner advertising sewing machine repairs offered services for my little workhorse model of a Brother, and she was aghast -- no, they only repaired high-end machines, like the ones they sold. I was shocked by the dismissiveness of her response but also found it amusing, having been raised by engineers and knowing the mechanical value of my little machine! Ever since I've been careful about avoiding faux-exclusivity and snobbery in any given craft, including weaving. My personal philosophy is that folk arts are for folk -- there's a place for everyone to make and participate. Anyone reading, please don't waste your time in cliquey, antagonistic spaces. There are so many compassionate and inclusive teachers and practitioners out there.
Thank you for everything you do for the weaving community! Everything about how you teach and encourage people has helped me have the courage to set off on a new career path as a weaver. I’m sure you have given countless others the same kind of positive motivation and knowledge that I feel so fortunate to have found on your RUclips channel and weaving school. Thanks also for taking the time to talk about important and hard things to help us all to remember how important it is to show kindness and acceptance to each other.
I was once tried to be made to feel less than because I do have a floor loom. This came from a tapestry weaver who felt she was an artist and could think of nothing worse than spending days warping a loom. Insert eye roll here (hers, not mine). I also have a rigid heddle and am in awe of the stunning projects that can be made on rh looms.
A tapestry loom still has to be warped...and then the weaving is sloooow!
Yup, a more experienced weaver told me essentially not to try to become a journeyman because you can’t trust anything online. I literally taught myself to weave with the online community and love rigid heddle weaving. She really put me off of attempting to work towards learning the trade in a classical European way because of this. Once she leaves/doesn’t run the program will reconsider it as an option. Disappointed be side of the wealth of knowledge she could be passing to the next generation.
Others say to move “up” from rigid heddle but there is so much that can be done on rigid heddle it’s amazing. When space is limited no way could I move to a table loom. I might try inkle looms instead rather than go larger.
Thank you SO MUCH, Kelly! Very well said. As a new weaver, learning on a RHL, I heard such snobbery from an experienced weaver at a small fiber arts show where she and others were displaying their beautiful work. I told her how beautiful her work was and that I was so excited to be learning to weave on my rigid heddle. The only thing she said was, "You know, children learn on those." That's it--no encouragement, no sharing my joy, no congratulations on starting something new in my retirement. Just saying my style of loom is made for kids. I smiled and said that my RHL was exactly what I wanted and needed, and I forgave her in my heart. Thanks again, Kelly!
That is just so mean, you responded very graciously!
I like cotton
I was told that the "cheap" yarn is bad and not to be used for weaving
Then mentioned you as a good teacher
I just shook my head
Well if they think I'm a good teacher maybe they should be listening to my thoughts on yarn!
Well said. Thank you for adressing this difficult subject.
Right on, Kelly. People who build their egos by putting others down deserve to be left behind. On the other hand, I admire people who have the creativity to start out on a weaving adventure (or whatever) by the most inventive means that are within their budgets.
I think I've been lucky. I'm an artist, but only started weaving a year ago. I started cheaply, to see if I'd like it beyond my initial curiousity - and I loved it. I received a rigid heddle loom for Christmas last year and was lucky enough that my husband found a local shop to purchase it and a shop owner more than willing to spend time to help and offer encouragement. That said, I might have started earlier, if I'd found more open encouragement - I found craftspeople that I encountered over the years to be a little closed off to a painter wanting info on their craft. I also come from an academic fine arts background that often frowned upon what IT considered the "lesser" arts... Weird, I know. That said, I grew up middle class in the horse world, so I've seen my share of snobbery and learned to deal with it at an early age :).
❤Thank you for bringing the subject ..I am completely seftaught because I start using fiber arts as theraphy when I was dealing with cancer treatments and I has help me with brain fog issues ..It is very healing . However, you made me realized that my father that was a graphic designer will unfortunately have thst kind of coments o behavior with me and my brother when we were trying to learn to draw 😢. My brother was even a better artist and drawer than him ..That is the reason I never try to learn to draw . Now that I past that I choose to do my own thing and in the process I have created beautiful pieces of crochet, sewing and learning to draw . I am now in this chanel venturing about weaving ...Be you ! Do not let anybody dictate your own creative journey!! 😊❤
Thank you for sharing!
As long as there are people, there will be those who try to elevate themselves by putting others down. I've seen it in the knitting, crocheting, and weaving communities, as well as in art (painting watercolor vs oil vs acrylic; pastel vs colored pencil), etc. It's a shame and I wish we could ALL be stronger when someone voices something ugly or derisive. Kudos to all of us who are able to find the strength to speak up or find the strength to leave.
Hello from USA- happened on this, and this kind and thoughtful insight applies to many aspects of life, where deliberately or thoughtlessly people say and do things that cause harm. Many thanks, am hoping to start weaving on an old loom my late mother brought from Sweden- if not, I will donate it to a loom guild. Best regards
All the best with the loom, I hope it works out for you!
Thank you, Kelly, for doing this video. I love being able to create on my rigid heddle loom. I don’t shop at my local yarn shop because they look down at me because of my loom.
And yet if they supported you they would have a loyal customer 🤷♀️
Beautifully said!
What a very complex subject, and an interesting one too. There are so many levels of bullying, and individuals respond differently to it. I’ve seen work colleagues speak really derrogatively to each other, but still get through the day’s work together. On other occasions, sensitive souls are almost expecting people to treat them unkindly. I’ve seen very good fiends tease each other outrageously, but with a smile at the end of the provocation. If you didn’t catch their smiles you might be horrified and expected a fight any minute. There’s a full range of positive and negative teaching methods. It takes quite a while to get to know someone before you find the most effective learning outcome from them. The gentlest negative reinforcement might be “best not to do that”, while the recipient might’ve really tried hard to achieve something, and thought it was worthwhile. Anyway, this is just scratching the surface of social interaction. People have considered behaviour to one another for all time and will in the future.
During Covid, I started to weave on a loom I made with a piece of wood, and 2 combs with wide teeth. It worked, but I wanted more. We are not poverty level, but are frugal with our money. I purchased a 24" Rigid heddle loom, and also an assortment of small looms (inklette, bead, 20" potholder loom, and a couple pin looms). I have felt the snobbery, but no one has been rude enough to be direct. Different looms for different purposes. I find the 10" potholder loom, using loops works for me while travrlling. And was a lifesaver when my mother was in the hospital for a month. When people seeme weaving on the potholder loom, and get dismissive "Oh, I had one of those as a kid", I generally laugh and respond "so did I, but what I now make looks nothing like what I made as a kid". The snobbery generally disappears. And I like the stement anout weaving using s forked branch. Think I will try that soon!! Everyone, weave what you want, on what you want. Enjoy your journey!
This is a wonderful little video, so right. I have not experienced this problem with my weaving but that may be because I am the only weaver I know. I have joined facebook weaving groups and have only had positive experiences there. I have, on multiple occasions, been in this situation with rug hooking. Comments like “you should only use wool (as in felted strips) to hook with”, etc. I refer to it as “craft snobbery”. To hook a rug if you can pull a loop of something through a mesh like material you are hooking a rug. You can weave if you can make a warp and a weft. I wonder if artisans are afraid to share their knowledge thinking that the next person will turn out to be better? Without sharing knowledge it can be lost.
Same thing happened among the crocheting people..I was in an South African group where there were so many snobs. You could not use cheap acrylic yarn, then they looked down on your project.
The snobbery is not only in weaving groups. I am part of cookie, knitting, and quilting groups on FB where people get berated for the type of yarn, hooks, needles, vanilla, butter, etc that they use or are told to use ONLY the best of x brand. I think this is an awesome video and thank you addressing this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for this video. I am learning to weave and there is snobbery about acrylic yarn. Lots of people turn their noses up at this although it produces a soft product and the colours are beautiful. I would eventually like to use wool but at the moment cannot afford it. It is the weaving process that I enjoy 😊❤️
Good for you Andrea! 👏👏👏
You hit the nail on the head of the loom! Thank you.
I've had this occur to me in my Bobbin Lace craft. I am self taught and found a group that I could travel to. One day the monitor told a "newbie" not to look at the work I was doing, because I was too experienced. I thought the monitor should have said "something to aspire to". After a few words, I left that day and never returned.
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Thank you ❤ for speaking on this topic. Totally turned me off weaving community! Went back to knitting find them in those groups as well. Thanks again.
Thank you for calling out the bullying. I appreciate how you work hard to include all ways of weaving in your videos. Kindness costs nothing.
Bravo .I loathe the yarn snobbery..❤❤