The El Primero movement is nothing to sneeze at but having a vertical clutch in the Rolex movement - that, alone is worth it. The original, the 6239 is the most beautiful of them all and it had neither movement. “Any Daytona is cool!” Yep.
Sorry Alex, if your fiancé has bought you Daytona my guess is that she is about to come clean and tell you that she didn't work as a Dental Hygienist in Denver but was actually an entertainer at Shotgun Willies.
He is clearly not googling number and he clearly does not prepare in any way for these videos so I am guessing that he knows the numbers off the top of his head. In general people don't comment that his model numbers are wrong because I am sure there are people in the channel that are just waiting to jump on him or anybody else who comments in a way they don't like.
I will take your word for the urine. I was just pointing out that I think it is amazing that he can sit in his basement all by himself and talk to a camera and rattle off these numbers. If you don't think so then that is fine. I don't know the model numbers so to me it is amazing.
Thanks ok, I have so many IP address to remember that I don't need any more numbers in my life. I can't even remember the Seiko numbers. I just flush the information that I don't need to keep every day and start over fresh the next. Watch model numbers seem to fall into the flush category. I just refer to my watches now by color or type these day. Got my field watch, my diver, my dress, my Garmin Fenix hiking watch that the battery is dead on as usual, and my exercise crap watch. That is about all I can keep track of. My guess is thought at Paul is really good remembering numbers. I bet he know all his old phone numbers, his street address, class room numbers from school, all sorts of things. I bet he also sees patterns everywhere he looks. Life is hard for people like that unless they find something that they can make enough money at that utilizes those skills.
My guess is he has some issues that were never treated properly growing up and he is coping as best he can. My guess is he has really high IQ and some major addictive compulsive issues and he has channeled into watches. I wish him the best, but none of us know him or anybody else here so no telling what our real lives are like. I know people just like him. Some go into fields like computer programming and research that reward this sort of addictive/compulsive behavior and others end up driving delivery trucks and just holding on day to day.
Aegler is very important name in the history of Rolex. The Aegler watchmaking company was established in Biel / Bienne in 1878 by Jean Aegler. Biel / Bienne is on the language boundary between the French and German speaking parts of Switzerland, hence the dual name for the town. Biel is German, Bienne its French counterpart. Because this is a bit of a mouthful and I am discussing Aegler in the context of Rolex, which is headquartered in Geneva in the French speaking part of Switzerland, I shall refer to the town as simply Bienne. Aegler Factory 1881 Aegler First Factory. Click to enlarge. Jean Aegler was born on 25 January 1850 in Krattigen, a small Swiss village about 90 kilometres south east of Bienne situated on a hill overlooking Lake Thun. He was the son of Johannes Aegler and Susanna nee Isler. Jean Aegler trained as a watchmaker before founding his own company. Johannes Aegler is recorded as being an "instructeur, huissier et facteur", so Jean could perhaps have studied under him, but it seems more likely that he was sent to Bienne for his apprenticeship. Jean Aegler married Anna Maria Ramser on 26 July 1873 in La Neuveville. He died on 2 August 1891 in Bienne at the young age of only 41 years. In 1881 Jean Aegler acquired a workshop in the Rebberg district of Bienne on La Haute-Route, overlooking the city centre. The history of this factory is virtually unknown. The image here shows the original factory block from 1881, although this image was made after Jean Aegler had in 1891 died and his widow had taken over running the company. At the time in Switzerland, privately owned companies had to be named after the person or persons in charge, so as soon as one person or partner died or left the company, a name change had to follow. In this case the name was changed Veuve Jean Aegler (widow of Jean Aegler), often abbreviated to Vve. Jean Aegler as in the image. This device maintained continuity of the Jean Aegler name whilst complying with Swiss company law. A press release announcing the new Rolex factory in Bienne in 2012 said that the Aegler factory began to produce its own ébauches between 1890 and 1895. This is not correct. The advert reproduced here says that the watchmaking factory Jean Aegler of Rebberg, Bienne, makes a speciality of stem wound watches (remontoirs au pendant) and has a new system of setting the time, the most advanced that exists (le plus perfectionné qui existe). The stem wind mechanism was the subject of a Swiss patent No. 243 mentioned at the bottom of the advert. This patent was granted to Jean Aegler in November 1888, so it would appear that the Aegler factory was making complete movements by 1888 or 1889. Aegler advert from 1890 Aegler Advert Jean Aegler had probably not started out making complete ébauches in 1881, because it would have taken him time to accumulate the capital to buy the necessary machinery, work out the designs for the movements, recruit and train workers etc., so he most likely started out either making or finishing component parts for other companies, gradually building up his factory and workforce until he had the capability to produce the complete movements. In 1886 Jean Aegler was present at a meeting of horological workers of Bienne and the surrounding area at which the formation of a syndicate to control prices and working conditions in the industry was agreed. Aegler was named in a list of workers who specialised in "small pieces". In view of Aegler's later reputation for making small watches it is likely that this refers to small movements rather than small component parts. This view is supported by a letter of 1888 announcing the formation of of the "Syndicat de fabricants d'horlogerie". Jean Aegler was one of the signatories to the letter as a secretary to the syndicate. Swiss patent No. 243 On 15 November 1888 Jean Aegler was granted Swiss patent No. 243 for a Mécanisme de mise à l'heure par la couronne; a mechanism for setting the hands to the correct time using the crown. This patent is referenced at the bottom of the advert: "Brevet pris on Suisse sous No. 243" - Swiss patent is taken under No. 243. The mechanism, or "keyless work", was a variation on the sliding sleeve mechanism invented by Adrien Philippe in 1845. In common with many patents taken out on stem winding and setting mechanisms based on Philippe's invention, Aegler's patent concerned the arrangement of levers that moved the sliding pinion between the winding and setting positions. Aegler patent 243 Figure from Aegler patent 243 of 1888 In the figure from the patent you can see the Philippe pinions clearly, the crown or winding pinion is labelled C, the sliding pinion B. Pulling upwards on the stem causes lever F to press down on lever A, which is engaged in the slot around the sliding pinion. Lever A rotates around its securing screw as shown by the dotted lines and the sliding pinion is pressed downwards into the hand setting position. When the stem is pushed down, the spring a pushes the lever A back, which returns the sliding pinion to the winding position. When Jean Aegler died 1891 his widow Anna Maria took over the business, which was renamed Veuve Jean Aegler (widow of Jean Aegler), often abbreviated to Vve. Jean Aegler. An additional patent No. 243/104, an extension to No. 243, was granted to Madame Veuve Jean Aegler in December 1891. This patent, with the same title as the original 243, was for an improvement to the mechanism of levers that moved the sliding pinion between the winding and setting positions. The difference is very small, only slight changes to the shapes of the levers. Today this would not be accepted as a new "invention". Swiss patent law had only been introduced in 1888 and in the first years many designs that would not have been patentable in Britain or the USA were granted patents in Switzerland. Swiss manufacturers evidently saw it as a good way to both protect their designs and gain a bit of status by stamping patent numbers, or references to patents with the word Brevet or the symbol of the Swiss Federal cross Swiss Federal Cross, on their products. By 1902 the business under the direction of Hermann and Hans Aegler, the sons of Jean and Anna Maria, was manufacturing small ébauches with lever escapements. The business gained a reputation for the mechanised manufacture at reasonable prices of good quality lever movements on the gauged and interchangeable system, which made it easier to fit replacement parts if required. The name "Rebberg", after the Rebberg part of Bienne where the factory was located, was registered in 1902 as a trade mark. Aegler partnership Partnership of the sons of Jean Aegler formed 1906 In April 1902 Swiss patent No. 23382 was granted to "Witwe Jean Aegler" for a "Taschenuhrgehause", a pocket watch case. The language used is German, Witwe means widow in German. The case design extends the bezel and back over the middle part of the case, also called the case band, so that the bezel and back meet in a single joint and the middle part of the case is umschließen und nach außen unsichtbar machen - enclosed and invisible to the outside. In 1905 Hans Wilsdorf of Wilsdorf & Davis in London placed a large order for wristwatches with Aegler. In the Rolex Jubilee Vade Mecum, Wilsdorf says that the first line of wristwatches that he placed on the market were silver watches with leather straps for men's and ladies' wear, and that their success was immediate so that the range had to be widened, in particular to watches with gold cases. In view of the prevailing fashions of 1905 the success must have been with the ladies' models. This view is implicitly confirmed by Wilsdorf himself, who says that an expanding metal bracelet was launched in 1906 and our little gold watch became increasingly popular throughout the empire. A little gold watch on an expanding metal bracelet sounds to me like a ladies' wristwatch and not the sort of thing that an Edwardian gentleman would be seen dead wearing. In July 1906 the trademarks and patents of Veuve Jean Aegler were transferred to a new company, a "nom-collectif" or partnership "Les fils de Jean Aegler, fabrique Rebberg" (The sons of Jean Aegler, makers of Rebberg). Presumably Madam Aegler had decided to retire. When Wilsdorf coined the name Rolex in 1908 he decided that he wanted to have only this name on the watches supplied to Wilsdorf & Davis by Aegler. Aegler felt that as the maker their name should be on the watches, but ultimately Wilsdorf got his wish. Rebberg first class certificate Aegler advert from 1910 mentioning first class certificate for 11 ligne Rebberg movement with lever escapement In 1910 an 11 ligne lever escapement Rebberg watch was awarded a first class certificate at the Bienne rating office. This is described in the Rolex Jubilee Vade Mecum as the first Rolex wrist-watch chronometer. The Aegler advert here from March 1910 celebrates this feat but doesn't mention Wilsdorf or Rolex. This is often reported to be the first time a wristwatch had obtained a chronometer certificate but the advert doesn't mention this, which seems a curious omission and missed advertising opportunity. In 1913 Aegler registered Rolex as a trademark for the manufacture of watches and watch parts. From this point on the history of Wilsdorf & Davis, Aegler and Rolex becomes virtually impossible to untangle from information publicly available, and the modern Rolex foundation never divulges any of its history. What appears to have happened is this. Wilsdorf & Davis owned the name Rolex, which Hans Wilsdorf was very proud of. He wanted it to appear only on the best watches supplied to him, the ones made by Aegler. Accordingly he kept pressing Aegler to increase the use of the name Rolex, and as Wilsdorf & Davis were one of Aegler's largest customers they went along with this, describing themselves in adverts as both "Manufacture d'Horlogerie Rebberg" and "Rolex Watch Co.".
you know what i think archi i think you should have respect for the ones that bust there ass to get that rolex the lower class person that works hard saves his money and pays cash for his watch im one of those people i think people that buy with credit cards i belive never own them until its paid off!!! im just saying what do you think archi???
just watched gentry s latest edc video , left a comment that he forgot to mention is rape whistle ... how fast will he take it down , keep it up Arch!!
I would get a kick out of people saying that thefirst Omega Planet Oceans movement was not done "in house" when the Daytona, Rolex's flagship watch was not either. lol The Original Planet Ocean technically is probably more "in House" than the Zenith Daytona due to the fact that Swatch is Omega and Swatch owns most of the watchmaking facilities. lol
The best movement is the current one. Why? Cause its new and you have 5 year warranty. The older ones might be worth more and and are more collectable but they are not 'better'. You dont know when they were serviced last, maybe had issues in its life like water got in accidently through the pushers. Who knows. New is best. Fuck the snobby collectors.
Outstanding video! This is the type questions that we should be asking the Pontiff.
The Pontiff is in his element discussing these Daytona's and the differences between their movements. Great video!
Great video for a change big boi.
I'd go for a Zenith model first and then a ceramic in-house one when the buzz around is over
The El Primero movement is nothing to sneeze at but having a vertical clutch in the Rolex movement - that, alone is worth it. The original, the 6239 is the most beautiful of them all and it had neither movement. “Any Daytona is cool!” Yep.
Sorry Alex, if your fiancé has bought you Daytona my guess is that she is about to come clean and tell you that she didn't work as a Dental Hygienist in Denver but was actually an entertainer at Shotgun Willies.
Sell that paneri SHITTER
clyde a C'mon Clyde, homage boobies are shitters!
What is better the Zenith El Primero movement or the Rolex modified zenith movement?
Good vid, the classic Archie quality is back!
bad hair day but the man knows this stuff cold. he is like a savant with these model numbers.
He is clearly not googling number and he clearly does not prepare in any way for these videos so I am guessing that he knows the numbers off the top of his head. In general people don't comment that his model numbers are wrong because I am sure there are people in the channel that are just waiting to jump on him or anybody else who comments in a way they don't like.
I will take your word for the urine. I was just pointing out that I think it is amazing that he can sit in his basement all by himself and talk to a camera and rattle off these numbers. If you don't think so then that is fine. I don't know the model numbers so to me it is amazing.
Thanks ok, I have so many IP address to remember that I don't need any more numbers in my life. I can't even remember the Seiko numbers. I just flush the information that I don't need to keep every day and start over fresh the next. Watch model numbers seem to fall into the flush category. I just refer to my watches now by color or type these day. Got my field watch, my diver, my dress, my Garmin Fenix hiking watch that the battery is dead on as usual, and my exercise crap watch. That is about all I can keep track of. My guess is thought at Paul is really good remembering numbers. I bet he know all his old phone numbers, his street address, class room numbers from school, all sorts of things. I bet he also sees patterns everywhere he looks. Life is hard for people like that unless they find something that they can make enough money at that utilizes those skills.
My guess is he has some issues that were never treated properly growing up and he is coping as best he can. My guess is he has really high IQ and some major addictive compulsive issues and he has channeled into watches. I wish him the best, but none of us know him or anybody else here so no telling what our real lives are like. I know people just like him. Some go into fields like computer programming and research that reward this sort of addictive/compulsive behavior and others end up driving delivery trucks and just holding on day to day.
must be some charm women loved him.
Aegler is very important name in the history of Rolex.
The Aegler watchmaking company was established in Biel / Bienne in 1878 by Jean Aegler. Biel / Bienne is on the language boundary between the French and German speaking parts of Switzerland, hence the dual name for the town. Biel is German, Bienne its French counterpart. Because this is a bit of a mouthful and I am discussing Aegler in the context of Rolex, which is headquartered in Geneva in the French speaking part of Switzerland, I shall refer to the town as simply Bienne.
Aegler Factory 1881
Aegler First Factory. Click to enlarge.
Jean Aegler was born on 25 January 1850 in Krattigen, a small Swiss village about 90 kilometres south east of Bienne situated on a hill overlooking Lake Thun. He was the son of Johannes Aegler and Susanna nee Isler. Jean Aegler trained as a watchmaker before founding his own company. Johannes Aegler is recorded as being an "instructeur, huissier et facteur", so Jean could perhaps have studied under him, but it seems more likely that he was sent to Bienne for his apprenticeship. Jean Aegler married Anna Maria Ramser on 26 July 1873 in La Neuveville. He died on 2 August 1891 in Bienne at the young age of only 41 years.
In 1881 Jean Aegler acquired a workshop in the Rebberg district of Bienne on La Haute-Route, overlooking the city centre. The history of this factory is virtually unknown. The image here shows the original factory block from 1881, although this image was made after Jean Aegler had in 1891 died and his widow had taken over running the company. At the time in Switzerland, privately owned companies had to be named after the person or persons in charge, so as soon as one person or partner died or left the company, a name change had to follow. In this case the name was changed Veuve Jean Aegler (widow of Jean Aegler), often abbreviated to Vve. Jean Aegler as in the image. This device maintained continuity of the Jean Aegler name whilst complying with Swiss company law.
A press release announcing the new Rolex factory in Bienne in 2012 said that the Aegler factory began to produce its own ébauches between 1890 and 1895. This is not correct. The advert reproduced here says that the watchmaking factory Jean Aegler of Rebberg, Bienne, makes a speciality of stem wound watches (remontoirs au pendant) and has a new system of setting the time, the most advanced that exists (le plus perfectionné qui existe). The stem wind mechanism was the subject of a Swiss patent No. 243 mentioned at the bottom of the advert. This patent was granted to Jean Aegler in November 1888, so it would appear that the Aegler factory was making complete movements by 1888 or 1889.
Aegler advert from 1890
Aegler Advert
Jean Aegler had probably not started out making complete ébauches in 1881, because it would have taken him time to accumulate the capital to buy the necessary machinery, work out the designs for the movements, recruit and train workers etc., so he most likely started out either making or finishing component parts for other companies, gradually building up his factory and workforce until he had the capability to produce the complete movements.
In 1886 Jean Aegler was present at a meeting of horological workers of Bienne and the surrounding area at which the formation of a syndicate to control prices and working conditions in the industry was agreed. Aegler was named in a list of workers who specialised in "small pieces". In view of Aegler's later reputation for making small watches it is likely that this refers to small movements rather than small component parts. This view is supported by a letter of 1888 announcing the formation of of the "Syndicat de fabricants d'horlogerie". Jean Aegler was one of the signatories to the letter as a secretary to the syndicate.
Swiss patent No. 243
On 15 November 1888 Jean Aegler was granted Swiss patent No. 243 for a Mécanisme de mise à l'heure par la couronne; a mechanism for setting the hands to the correct time using the crown. This patent is referenced at the bottom of the advert: "Brevet pris on Suisse sous No. 243" - Swiss patent is taken under No. 243.
The mechanism, or "keyless work", was a variation on the sliding sleeve mechanism invented by Adrien Philippe in 1845. In common with many patents taken out on stem winding and setting mechanisms based on Philippe's invention, Aegler's patent concerned the arrangement of levers that moved the sliding pinion between the winding and setting positions.
Aegler patent 243
Figure from Aegler patent 243 of 1888
In the figure from the patent you can see the Philippe pinions clearly, the crown or winding pinion is labelled C, the sliding pinion B. Pulling upwards on the stem causes lever F to press down on lever A, which is engaged in the slot around the sliding pinion. Lever A rotates around its securing screw as shown by the dotted lines and the sliding pinion is pressed downwards into the hand setting position. When the stem is pushed down, the spring a pushes the lever A back, which returns the sliding pinion to the winding position.
When Jean Aegler died 1891 his widow Anna Maria took over the business, which was renamed Veuve Jean Aegler (widow of Jean Aegler), often abbreviated to Vve. Jean Aegler.
An additional patent No. 243/104, an extension to No. 243, was granted to Madame Veuve Jean Aegler in December 1891. This patent, with the same title as the original 243, was for an improvement to the mechanism of levers that moved the sliding pinion between the winding and setting positions. The difference is very small, only slight changes to the shapes of the levers. Today this would not be accepted as a new "invention". Swiss patent law had only been introduced in 1888 and in the first years many designs that would not have been patentable in Britain or the USA were granted patents in Switzerland. Swiss manufacturers evidently saw it as a good way to both protect their designs and gain a bit of status by stamping patent numbers, or references to patents with the word Brevet or the symbol of the Swiss Federal cross Swiss Federal Cross, on their products.
By 1902 the business under the direction of Hermann and Hans Aegler, the sons of Jean and Anna Maria, was manufacturing small ébauches with lever escapements. The business gained a reputation for the mechanised manufacture at reasonable prices of good quality lever movements on the gauged and interchangeable system, which made it easier to fit replacement parts if required. The name "Rebberg", after the Rebberg part of Bienne where the factory was located, was registered in 1902 as a trade mark.
Aegler partnership
Partnership of the sons of Jean Aegler formed 1906
In April 1902 Swiss patent No. 23382 was granted to "Witwe Jean Aegler" for a "Taschenuhrgehause", a pocket watch case. The language used is German, Witwe means widow in German. The case design extends the bezel and back over the middle part of the case, also called the case band, so that the bezel and back meet in a single joint and the middle part of the case is umschließen und nach außen unsichtbar machen - enclosed and invisible to the outside.
In 1905 Hans Wilsdorf of Wilsdorf & Davis in London placed a large order for wristwatches with Aegler. In the Rolex Jubilee Vade Mecum, Wilsdorf says that the first line of wristwatches that he placed on the market were silver watches with leather straps for men's and ladies' wear, and that their success was immediate so that the range had to be widened, in particular to watches with gold cases. In view of the prevailing fashions of 1905 the success must have been with the ladies' models. This view is implicitly confirmed by Wilsdorf himself, who says that an expanding metal bracelet was launched in 1906 and our little gold watch became increasingly popular throughout the empire. A little gold watch on an expanding metal bracelet sounds to me like a ladies' wristwatch and not the sort of thing that an Edwardian gentleman would be seen dead wearing.
In July 1906 the trademarks and patents of Veuve Jean Aegler were transferred to a new company, a "nom-collectif" or partnership "Les fils de Jean Aegler, fabrique Rebberg" (The sons of Jean Aegler, makers of Rebberg). Presumably Madam Aegler had decided to retire.
When Wilsdorf coined the name Rolex in 1908 he decided that he wanted to have only this name on the watches supplied to Wilsdorf & Davis by Aegler. Aegler felt that as the maker their name should be on the watches, but ultimately Wilsdorf got his wish.
Rebberg first class certificate
Aegler advert from 1910 mentioning first class certificate for 11 ligne Rebberg movement with lever escapement
In 1910 an 11 ligne lever escapement Rebberg watch was awarded a first class certificate at the Bienne rating office. This is described in the Rolex Jubilee Vade Mecum as the first Rolex wrist-watch chronometer.
The Aegler advert here from March 1910 celebrates this feat but doesn't mention Wilsdorf or Rolex. This is often reported to be the first time a wristwatch had obtained a chronometer certificate but the advert doesn't mention this, which seems a curious omission and missed advertising opportunity.
In 1913 Aegler registered Rolex as a trademark for the manufacture of watches and watch parts. From this point on the history of Wilsdorf & Davis, Aegler and Rolex becomes virtually impossible to untangle from information publicly available, and the modern Rolex foundation never divulges any of its history.
What appears to have happened is this. Wilsdorf & Davis owned the name Rolex, which Hans Wilsdorf was very proud of. He wanted it to appear only on the best watches supplied to him, the ones made by Aegler. Accordingly he kept pressing Aegler to increase the use of the name Rolex, and as Wilsdorf & Davis were one of Aegler's largest customers they went along with this, describing themselves in adverts as both "Manufacture d'Horlogerie Rebberg" and "Rolex Watch Co.".
you know what i think archi i think you should have respect for the ones that bust there ass to get that rolex the lower class person that works hard saves his money and pays cash for his watch im one of those people i think people that buy with credit cards i belive never own them until its paid off!!! im just saying what do you think archi???
good question Alex
Good vid Arch.
Here The Pontiph can be seen working for his money. Good job Sir Pontiph
just watched gentry s latest edc video , left a comment that he forgot to mention is rape whistle ... how fast will he take it down , keep it up Arch!!
They also failed to display their emergency tampon
And his vaginal deodorant!
ROLEX WAS NOT TRULY IN HOUSE UNTIL 2004 WHEN THEY PURCHASED AEGLER !
I would get a kick out of people saying that thefirst Omega Planet Oceans movement was not done "in house" when the Daytona, Rolex's flagship watch was not either. lol The Original Planet Ocean technically is probably more "in House" than the Zenith Daytona due to the fact that Swatch is Omega and Swatch owns most of the watchmaking facilities. lol
Archie, this is such a good video.
The Pontiff at his best. Sit at his feet and listen to the wisdom.
tried so phast I mispelled . sorry phellows
CavsAllDay Sloppy phist is better than no phist at all.
Jeff Johnson thanks phor phorgiving me
That's phor sure
You really need to pay someone $20
To ask about a $12k watch and if it's good? All Rolex is good.
The Zenith movement is superior and Better.
"Daytona is valuable" + "both movements are good". Fuck me dead, 20 bucks went through the shitter.
Didn't the ex wife buy you the JLC with your credit card...
THAI AIRWAYS EMERGENCY LANDING AT DENPASAR INDONESIA TG473 .................."I nearly died" on the Puto travel channel.
The Rolex 116520 is a sleeper.
The best movement is the current one. Why? Cause its new and you have 5 year warranty. The older ones might be worth more and and are more collectable but they are not 'better'. You dont know when they were serviced last, maybe had issues in its life like water got in accidently through the pushers. Who knows. New is best. Fuck the snobby collectors.
Great points
He's back! Quality content and no crazy hooker shit
nana kim is special
Archi Bald Puta has a lot of knowledge about Rolex model numbers................HOWEVER, he has A I D S
He never owned a Daytona so how can he talk about them?
He's owned a couple...
At least his kids would be taken care of finally
Gotta luv YT analytics - yet another feminine hygiene advertisement....
Archie gives me the shits and that's movement enough.
Worst opening to a video ever!
Are you phucking kidding me? Zenith movement doesn't even come CLOSE to Rolex new in house movement. Class dismissed.
pjirst
Guy Frowney I thought u were on vacay!
when I get a phirst I will go on vacay
Guy Frowney u have a lot of phortitude. you should be proud.
Guy Frowney be the phirst in your phamily to get one.