Just a great example showing that if you learn how to use your equipment you can get good results with most modern cameras. BTW, I love the club images you share. Wishing you and yours a wonderful holiday and a Happy New Year!!
@9:30 You're saying that the K-3III Monochrome is a FF camera? But in reality it has a 25.7MP "APS-C" CMOS sensor. You had Ron Carter as a teacher? Wow! A legend! You were blessed, man!
@@PeteCocoPhotoWhen I started to work as a radio announcer in 1969 I eventually discovered his records and played them regularly. Great music. Tell him thanks for me for the joy of listening to his albums.
Pete, all of these are nice photos but I could tell the difference on each one of them. As a long time Fujifilm shooter, there is a look that the X-Trans sensor has that's different from other sensors whether they're full-frame or APS-C. The same is true of Canon whether it's their digital mirrorless or their DSLR cameras Canon has it's own colour science which uniquely identifies photos from their cameras regardless of how the raw files are edited. I say the same goes for Nikon, Leica, LUMIX and Sony. What shows up in your comparison shots is there's a flatness to the Fujifilm photos that the Canon full-frame doesn't have. Far more definition and pop with the Canon portraits. That's my two cents. Again, all the photos are nice and someone looking to shoot APS-C on Fujifilm cameras with the right lenses can do professional work and their customers will be fine with the end results.
As a amateur (shooting just for my persomal fun), I have a Canon R6 mk2 and a Fuji X-T50 and absolutely agree. Both a great cameras but different at the same time. I could neither tell crop or fullframe nor 24 or 40MP from the quality when I look at the pictures itself (at least for my style of shooting)
I can't tell the difference tbh I've downloaded so many samples and ran them through dxo Unless you look at which type of lens was used or you pixel peep it's hard to know. There are subtle differences but not enough for me to worry about. The types of photography i do usually benefit from the crop sensors dof.
Cool video Pete. I don't do portraits, do it was interesting to see the comparison. Personally I have an XH2 with the Tamron 17-70 F2 8 and the Fuji 70-300 both great lenses. Seasons greetings from Rainy North Wales.
I really think for portrait photography crop sensor is great because you've got light so you're not having to push the ISO as much in other types of photography that can become an issue but I think for studio work and just general handling as well taking your gear to studios taking your gear to environmental portraits and that kind of thing crop sensor is great because the gear itself is lighter I also think you can get some really nice lenses that are affordable and I know you didn't necessarily mention price but I do think it comes into the equation for a lot of people but the image quality out of the X series cameras is outstanding and as we know just recently over the last 24 hours the new firmware has dropped and the auto focus is back to being very reliable which is great. It's probably not perfect in my testing, but it's definitely usable for professionals and that's all we're asking for to be honest. I really like the 50 mm look as well and I know it's not as slimming in the face. Let's call it that but I actually think it's more natural. It's a little bit closer to what the human eye sees as well. that's just my perspective though and everyone is different. Great video once again.
Thanks for this video. I will always be amused by those who talk about the so-called superiority of 24x36 (which marketing pompously calls "full frame") when in fact, we are here in the Small Format. 24x36 or APSC are both very small sensors, both with a large DOF. If we want to talk about a large sensor, then let's talk about Medium Format with a small sensor (Hasselblad X2D for example) or Medium Format with a large sensor (Hasselblad H for example). So there yes we can really talk about a large sensor. The so-called superiority of 24x36 is very largely over-exaggerated and it is the brands that are rubbing their hands :)
Yep I get that. I like having both systems and using them for different reasons in general. But the Fuji gear is more than enough for my studio work when I want to use it
first few photos, and I quickly figured it out full frame = studio crop sensor = out in the real world my reasoning, crop sensors make for much lighter gear for run & gun, easier to throw around to get the best angles/shots. whilst in a studio, you have the luxury to work a full frame ...but I'm just gonna watch the rest of the video hahaha
@@PeteCocoPhoto like you said, it's not necessarily easy to tell via the images themselves. I mean I would... hazard that the crop sensor (but maybe also a quality of the Fuji system itself) has a more "rounded" feel, ie: a bit more contrast punch with added emphasis in highlights and shadows. whilst the Canon fullframe, had a more "flatter" feel, with more image in the mids. and maybe this is a dynamic range quality/vibe difference between APS-C vs FF but kinda also massively splitting hairs, because I DID get it wrong a few times guessing that, because one can easily be edited to look like the other. and overall, editing style will override a LOT of basic camera tech. ... thus, my main way of judging, fell back to, if you were in a location/situation where you had the most "luxury" to take your time and/or have access to a studio - full frame. when out on location and especially in a dimly lit club - APS-C.
In that controlled studio environment it doesnt seem like theres any benefit to full frame other then what you've outlined and other preferences individuals may have. I shoot fuji and have considered nikon but everytime i shoot with controlled lighting i look at the images and cant see any way full frame could of improved the shot. Im happy with 1.2 / 1.4 dof and denoise takes care of any noise that may be present. Anyways, good video, Merry Christmas.
Actually, after a bit over half a dozen photos's to learn your style, and be attuned, I could pick them out with about 98% accuracy. No kidding. On a 43'' monitor. The Canon shots had a slight added green skin hue. Dead give away. If a another plane was slightly more in focus than the eye, it was the Fuji. If it was B&W and the face wasn't the subject, it was a Fuji (your style). A number of the Fujis had an identifyable texture. Passed on the Pentax. After learning, it made sense. (I was interested in the K-3 II when it came out.) The GFX one threw me. It was definitely Fuji skin tones, but the texture was different.
I shoot both canon and Fuji and 24mp on canon r6mkii is fantastic shooting in low light high iso without flash but it in good lighting the Fuji images on the 40mp sensor at low ISO using the new 1.4 xf lenses the Fuji images really do have better colours than canon slightly just
I actually can tell like 85% of the time which one is ff and which one is apsc, especially on close portrait and large scale landscape shots. There are just some nuance in the overall feeling that the image delivers to my eye. Don't get me wrong I'm an 8yr Fuji user and just upgraded to Xt5 from Xs10 after wavering between xt5 and zf for quite some time(since where I live Zf is actually cheaper), but eventually I figured amateurs like me need fun cameras not tools.
this is partly due to the field of view I am using with each. for instance I use the 50mm canon a lot and the 75mm fuji, which will be more compressed. I've been using the canon for my wider portraits lately
@PeteCocoPhoto yeah and also I guess the 50 is just not razor sharp wide open but canon primes are, so even the 50 has a similar depth of field to ff 75 f1.4, there are still visible nuances. Maybe viltrox 75 would've tricked my eyes since it is sharp wide open.
I really don’t care if it is an full frame or crop sensor. It is all about the choice of lens, choice of distance to subject and cropping in afterwards. I shoot full frame because I like it has a wider view because the extra border of the sensor
The bokeh quality when the model is closer to the background makes it easier to tell the full frame photos most of the time. Very good portraits. You should give the Viltrox 27mm f1.2 a chance to be used in your studio, that 1.2 duo of lenses has a very special rendering sometimes that I find hard to explain.
interesting........shows that quality photos can be taken with either system, nice photos! I use a X-T5 because that's what I bought and I like it, will probably stick with that while I'm learning the ropes, it's a blast!
Yes I do think it’s educational and fun and Pete Coco you are a superb portrait photographer
From UK
Thank you!
Just a great example showing that if you learn how to use your equipment you can get good results with most modern cameras. BTW, I love the club images you share. Wishing you and yours a wonderful holiday and a Happy New Year!!
So true my man. Thanks for all your support. Here’s wishing you happy holidays and a wonderful new year!
@9:30 You're saying that the K-3III Monochrome is a FF camera? But in reality it has a 25.7MP "APS-C" CMOS sensor.
You had Ron Carter as a teacher? Wow! A legend! You were blessed, man!
Oh yes! Thanks for correcting that error. And yes I studied with Ron and still do when I can. He is a gem.
@@PeteCocoPhotoWhen I started to work as a radio announcer in 1969 I eventually discovered his records and played them regularly. Great music. Tell him thanks for me for the joy of listening to his albums.
Pete, all of these are nice photos but I could tell the difference on each one of them. As a long time Fujifilm shooter, there is a look that the X-Trans sensor has that's different from other sensors whether they're full-frame or APS-C. The same is true of Canon whether it's their digital mirrorless or their DSLR cameras Canon has it's own colour science which uniquely identifies photos from their cameras regardless of how the raw files are edited.
I say the same goes for Nikon, Leica, LUMIX and Sony. What shows up in your comparison shots is there's a flatness to the Fujifilm photos that the Canon full-frame doesn't have. Far more definition and pop with the Canon portraits. That's my two cents. Again, all the photos are nice and someone looking to shoot APS-C on Fujifilm cameras with the right lenses can do professional work and their customers will be fine with the end results.
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing!
As a amateur (shooting just for my persomal fun), I have a Canon R6 mk2 and a Fuji X-T50 and absolutely agree. Both a great cameras but different at the same time. I could neither tell crop or fullframe nor 24 or 40MP from the quality when I look at the pictures itself (at least for my style of shooting)
Those are great portrait shots. 👍👍
thanks!
I can't tell the difference tbh
I've downloaded so many samples and ran them through dxo
Unless you look at which type of lens was used or you pixel peep it's hard to know.
There are subtle differences but not enough for me to worry about.
The types of photography i do usually benefit from the crop sensors dof.
Cool video Pete. I don't do portraits, do it was interesting to see the comparison. Personally I have an XH2 with the Tamron 17-70 F2 8 and the Fuji 70-300 both great lenses.
Seasons greetings from Rainy North Wales.
Thanks for watching and Seasons Greetings from New York!
I really think for portrait photography crop sensor is great because you've got light so you're not having to push the ISO as much in other types of photography that can become an issue but I think for studio work and just general handling as well taking your gear to studios taking your gear to environmental portraits and that kind of thing crop sensor is great because the gear itself is lighter I also think you can get some really nice lenses that are affordable and I know you didn't necessarily mention price but I do think it comes into the equation for a lot of people but the image quality out of the X series cameras is outstanding and as we know just recently over the last 24 hours the new firmware has dropped and the auto focus is back to being very reliable which is great. It's probably not perfect in my testing, but it's definitely usable for professionals and that's all we're asking for to be honest. I really like the 50 mm look as well and I know it's not as slimming in the face. Let's call it that but I actually think it's more natural. It's a little bit closer to what the human eye sees as well. that's just my perspective though and everyone is different. Great video once again.
Thanks Nev! I like both systems for different reasons for sure but I'm happy w the Fuji gear as you know
Thanks for this video. I will always be amused by those who talk about the so-called superiority of 24x36 (which marketing pompously calls "full frame") when in fact, we are here in the Small Format. 24x36 or APSC are both very small sensors, both with a large DOF. If we want to talk about a large sensor, then let's talk about Medium Format with a small sensor (Hasselblad X2D for example) or Medium Format with a large sensor (Hasselblad H for example). So there yes we can really talk about a large sensor.
The so-called superiority of 24x36 is very largely over-exaggerated and it is the brands that are rubbing their hands :)
Yep I get that. I like having both systems and using them for different reasons in general. But the Fuji gear is more than enough for my studio work when I want to use it
first few photos, and I quickly figured it out
full frame = studio
crop sensor = out in the real world
my reasoning, crop sensors make for much lighter gear for run & gun, easier to throw around to get the best angles/shots.
whilst in a studio, you have the luxury to work a full frame
...but I'm just gonna watch the rest of the video hahaha
What did you think after watching the rest of the vid?
@@PeteCocoPhoto like you said, it's not necessarily easy to tell via the images themselves. I mean I would... hazard that the crop sensor (but maybe also a quality of the Fuji system itself) has a more "rounded" feel, ie: a bit more contrast punch with added emphasis in highlights and shadows. whilst the Canon fullframe, had a more "flatter" feel, with more image in the mids.
and maybe this is a dynamic range quality/vibe difference between APS-C vs FF
but kinda also massively splitting hairs, because I DID get it wrong a few times guessing that, because one can easily be edited to look like the other.
and overall, editing style will override a LOT of basic camera tech.
...
thus, my main way of judging, fell back to, if you were in a location/situation where you had the most "luxury" to take your time and/or have access to a studio - full frame.
when out on location and especially in a dimly lit club - APS-C.
In that controlled studio environment it doesnt seem like theres any benefit to full frame other then what you've outlined and other preferences individuals may have.
I shoot fuji and have considered nikon but everytime i shoot with controlled lighting i look at the images and cant see any way full frame could of improved the shot. Im happy with 1.2 / 1.4 dof and denoise takes care of any noise that may be present.
Anyways, good video, Merry Christmas.
most important thing is being happy with whatever you're using
Actually, after a bit over half a dozen photos's to learn your style, and be attuned, I could pick them out with about 98% accuracy. No kidding. On a 43'' monitor.
The Canon shots had a slight added green skin hue. Dead give away.
If a another plane was slightly more in focus than the eye, it was the Fuji.
If it was B&W and the face wasn't the subject, it was a Fuji (your style).
A number of the Fujis had an identifyable texture.
Passed on the Pentax. After learning, it made sense. (I was interested in the K-3 II when it came out.)
The GFX one threw me. It was definitely Fuji skin tones, but the texture was different.
Interesting points. thanks!
I shoot both canon and Fuji and 24mp on canon r6mkii is fantastic shooting in low light high iso without flash but it in good lighting the Fuji images on the 40mp sensor at low ISO using the new 1.4 xf lenses the Fuji images really do have better colours than canon slightly just
why do you use both?
I like both for different reasons, and usually use the fuji for concerts, street, etc but sometimes in the studio and for certain location work
I actually can tell like 85% of the time which one is ff and which one is apsc, especially on close portrait and large scale landscape shots. There are just some nuance in the overall feeling that the image delivers to my eye. Don't get me wrong I'm an 8yr Fuji user and just upgraded to Xt5 from Xs10 after wavering between xt5 and zf for quite some time(since where I live Zf is actually cheaper), but eventually I figured amateurs like me need fun cameras not tools.
this is partly due to the field of view I am using with each. for instance I use the 50mm canon a lot and the 75mm fuji, which will be more compressed. I've been using the canon for my wider portraits lately
@PeteCocoPhoto yeah and also I guess the 50 is just not razor sharp wide open but canon primes are, so even the 50 has a similar depth of field to ff 75 f1.4, there are still visible nuances. Maybe viltrox 75 would've tricked my eyes since it is sharp wide open.
I really don’t care if it is an full frame or crop sensor. It is all about the choice of lens, choice of distance to subject and cropping in afterwards. I shoot full frame because I like it has a wider view because the extra border of the sensor
it boils down to who is behind the camera as always! but I understand your sentiment
You have to shoot outside of a studio environment to tell
Why?
The bokeh quality when the model is closer to the background makes it easier to tell the full frame photos most of the time.
Very good portraits.
You should give the Viltrox 27mm f1.2 a chance to be used in your studio, that 1.2 duo of lenses has a very special rendering sometimes that I find hard to explain.
thanks! I will give the vilrox a try for some. I do like the 40mm ish equivalent too
EASY THE FUJI SKINTONES IS MEGENTA
Haha
interesting........shows that quality photos can be taken with either system, nice photos! I use a X-T5 because that's what I bought and I like it, will probably stick with that while I'm learning the ropes, it's a blast!
Love mine too!