@@jamescollier3 I'm not an expert when it comes to planes/airport safety, hell I barely know anything... but I'm still pretty sure that what happened in the first clip still should not have happened. Guess safety was a secondary concern where ever the hell that happened.
Only someone that's in and out of therapy would jump to that over such a nothing burger of a comment. Tell us more about your therapy. Hope it's going well. @@ethabn4
airport* There! There's still several months for the 2nd one to begin operating. FTFY Also.. There are 2 runways. But since they are not parallel, yes.. Only one at a time.
@@sportonjob6110 The go-around would fly above any wake turbulence created by the departure, and the departure would be in front of any wake turbulence created by the arrival, and the planes would receive diverging headings before the arrival could overtake the departure. The real danger is insufficient reaction time to go around if the departure were to reject takeoff.
@@AlbertBenajam-ww1db maybe not. One plane is actually on the ground and the one behind is not yet on the ground (immediately behind it). By the time it's on the ground also ...yes there will be some disturbance. Imagine it had to go around...😢😮
I’m surprised jet blast and/or wake turbulence didn’t affect the aircraft landing in the first clip. I bet the pilot landing the aircraft had a “code brown” in his shorts while landing.
Don´t think jet blast is a problem for such a big plane at such big distance. Power drops off fast with range. And for wake turbulence to be created the AC needs to be airborn (made by lift induced drag) and by that point the other AC is already on the ground. If it was a light crosswind maybe they felt it a bit after landing when the vortices travel down.
Jet blast is not that impacting between mid size planes and wake turbulence only starts forming while the plane is airborne. At that time the Indigo was on the ground already. Still very dangerous in case the approach had to be aborted they would have been extremely close.
"So when you are ready I have a number for you to call..." - It doesn't look to be pilot error and the reports say an ATC Officer has been suspended from duty..
@@agate_jcg I bow to your better knowledge if you know exactly how the 'chain of command' works, but one or other must have priority and I suspect it's ATC. Almost certainly it was an ATC error that created the situation and the pilot wasn't left with many options.
@@davidf6326 The pilot is ultimately responsible for the safety of their passengers, full stop. They should have cancelled the landing long before they got that close. Of course ATC are also at fault for clearing them to land.
It's amazing to see the flight computers banging in those adjustments so quick. I remember when the Ferrari 355 was released in 1994, it was the first semi-automatic ferrari gearbox that could change more quickly & effectively than a human. Nowadays all high performance cars come with autoboxes, imagine trying to put down 700 horsepower in an Audi RS6 even with Quattro and T/C - the autobox handles it much better than humans. Same with the automation on the autopilots on a modern airliner, it can pump up and down the flappy bits many times more effectively than a human being. Amazing :)
that first one...god damn. the tower control messed up that one. and the 2nd one...man that pilot got mad skills handling that plane with those crosswinds
If the comments are taken literally, it seems people are unaware that ATC is responsible for keeping separation between aircraft. The pilot also has the option to abort the landing. The fact that there was no accident doesn't make it okay. Aircraft movements are far more structured and regulated than driving a car or crossing the street. Given visibility wasn't an issue, this pilot landing was taking an unnecessary risk.
Where do you get this? Minimum requirements for this situation is 6000 feet and the first aircraft to have lifted off. The airplane was airborne. So that was fine. The 6000 feet is hard to judge from the camera angle. It was likely fine.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183it’s 6000 feet at threshold of runway. You get get a fair idea of separation from the time… = way less than 6000. More importantly, there’s a DA and the approaching aircraft would be able to see clearly that there would be a high likelihood that this separation would not be met, regardless of whether they had clearance, a go-around at DA before threshold was the only safe option.
3 seconds separation at 130 (approximately) knots is no more than 1000 ft. If I’m really conservative I’ll give then 1500 feet separation. Ignorance alone can defend that as as legitimately safe commercial aviation.
Ok so I have a story for you guys... today I was flying student solo at a non towered airport, I just turned on final approach in a 172, someone was on the active, but close to getting off, then, out of nowhere, someone in a piper Seminole took the runway to take off. I think he said he was taking off but im not entirely sure. I announced a go around, held my altitude and 60kts. The Seminole and the 172 on the ground had maybe 20 feet of vertical separation between them and it looked like the Seminole had to take off at a really slow speed to clear the 172. They got yelled at multiple times on the runway by the 172 on the ground, rightfully so, but they never acknowledged it on the radio. Some people just don't deserve their wings
@@David-ud9ju perhaps, but the incident is/was under investigation by India's DGCA (FAA equivalent) and the pilots and controllers were de-rostered pending the investigation's outcome.
That first clip was insane. People who don’t watch or aren’t into aviation as much wouldn’t realise but that could have been catastrophic definitely wouldn’t have happend anywhere else in the world!
The title of this video is *technically* inaccurate. The Air India was off the tarmac before Indigo touched down. I'm fully versed in runway incursion and its consequences, but the plane departing *was* off the ground before the plane arriving put its wheels down. So, for about 1 or 2 seconds, the runway was technically not occupied. I know, I know.... the runway belongs to the departing plane until he has overflown the opposing threshold.
There was a pretty big thread on r/aviation about that first one, and it gets a bit heated. That incoming plane should have waved off well before that, but both would have needed to make some nonstandard departure maneuvers, like both going to opposite sides to get some separation.
If this might push fares to Mumbai down to the point I can afford them, I might well! 🇬🇧🛫☁🛬🇮🇳👍 What's the chance of getting an arrival « _En traffique_ » like the one we see here, do you think? 😨🎢😋
Interesting first clip, fairly dangerous situation but i noticed the landing aircraft did not actually touchdown until the other aircraft had departed and left the runway.
The demanding role of air traffic controllers. • Mumbai airport is one of the busiest airport with high traffic density. • On a single runway RW27 at the airport, there are around 46 arrivals and departures per hour. • Air Traffic Controllers (ATCs) are allowed to clear up to two arrivals and two departures within three minutes, subject to acceptable limits of safety. • Also, the separation minima between two aircraft can be reduced if the visibility is good. • In this particular case that happened on Saturday at the Mumbai airport, the visibility was good and there was no air prox situation with respect to the landing IndiGo flight and the taking off Air India flight. This may be a "wow" moment for outlookers but those who perform this safety critical task daily comes under part of their duty for which they are rigorously trained. • The ATC has the discretion to allow arrival and departure within a few minutes on the same runway, especially in high density airports. • ATCs are under significant pressure when there is high density traffic at airports. • The DGCA probe will be looking at whether all norms were followed by the ATC as well as the pilots concerned. Had there been a safety risk for landing, the pilot himself would have initiated a Go-Around. Media trials put extra stress on working controllers, as the nature of job itself comes with risk at every clearance which is done under acceptable limits of safety. We hope with this atleast some more awareness will come in people at large about why ATC is called one of the most stressful job in the world.
Passengers in the front plane: Wow. Pilot is in a hurry today Passangers in the rear plane: Wow. This guy used his heavy foot on the brakes Both pilots : 😱😨😰
@@AEMoreira81 Thank you for that! It answered a question I wanted the answer to, but didn’t ask. Also, my comment was a bit of a joke: At the EAA AirVenture airshow each year, the main runway is painted with colored dots and general aviation arrivals are assigned to different color dots. This looked far more dangerous, yet similar, so I thought I’d get a couple of likes from pilots who have flown into that airshow. But only two likes so far, so there must not be that many Oshkosh alumns here.
The plane i was in had the close call on landing on occupied runway. A bit scary as the pilot hit full power just as we came over the beginning of the runway. Landed safely about 15 minutes later. 3:00
Aircraft has “autothrust”, a computer controlled system to maintain airspeed by constantly altering engine speed depending on pitch and wind conditions to maintain a desired air speed. The pilots keep the thrust lever in one position (nearly all the way forward) on approach and the autothrust system does the rest. The countdown, as I’m sure you’re aware is the radio altimeter. However, if the pilots don’t pull back the thrust lever before landing gear touches runway (retard it) the aircraft will assume the pilots want to give full thrust to abort the landing (go-around). So the cue to “retard” just before touchdown is for that reason.
The first clip showed how aviation could be organized a lot more efficiently. Wow, just a 6 second buffer between planes is enough, you could have 600 planes using same runway in an hour!
#3 the A321: The Airbus A321's Angle of Attack (AOA) warning system is designed to alert pilots if the aircraft approaches a potentially dangerous angle of attack, particularly during critical phases of flight such as landing and touchdown. This system utilizes sensors to monitor the angle of attack and can activate visual and audible warnings in the cockpit if the aircraft is at risk of stalling or experiencing a tailstrike. The alerts help pilots take corrective action to prevent damage to the aircraft, ensuring a safer landing.
AFAIK, a probe was ordered for the first clip. Happened in Mumbai. But I cannot stop appreciating the fact that the timing of perfect - the AI aircraft took off the moment the Indigo aircraft landed
Sadly the separation is getting smaller and smaller, as airports are overloaded with more and more flights but there's no magic number. It's all very risky and on the limit at busy airports.
@@n666eobut…what about Deciscion Altitude? What was the pilot thinking not going around during this point in final? DA is where pilots must decide whether to continue or execute a missed approach based on visual cues or instrument indications (an aircraft on the runway is such a cue). This occurs before runway threshold. Crossing the threshold with another aircraft still on the runway is not “legal” as you put it. Nothing to do with when the aircraft touches down. It’s essential procedure. It’s a definite no for landing way before they cross the threshold. Also consider separation. For cat 3 aircraft it’s 6000 ft. This separation is way shorter. No room to do anything safe if need to execute a TO abort or missed approach go-around. Yes, radio comms but where’s the redundancy in that?
@@kevinfairclough4619 DA is not for aircraft on the runway unless it's not predicted. Pretty sure the aircraft on final knew about the plane taking off from ATC. You're right about the 6000ft separation, but it's not CAT 3.
I suspect the foreshortening of the telephoto lens makes the separation of the aircraft seem much closer than it was. The landing plane touches down just as the other one is lifting off. The touch down happens about 10 seconds after crossing the runway threshold, and the takeoff probably happens about 6500-7000 feet down the runway from the same point. My guess is the minimum separation between them was around 4000-4500 feet. If this were the US, FAA rules would require that the landing aircraft should not cross the runway threshold before the departing aircraft has lifted off and (where distance can be read by markers) the distance between them should be at least 6000 feet. So basically the landing happened about 10 seconds early compared to what the FAA allows and ate up about 1/3 the minimum required time and distance between the aircraft. That's bad but, well, the FAA rules are pretty scary, too. I think European rules have a wider margin of safety, but I'm not sure.
0:23min you can clearly see in the frames that the first airplane was airborne when the second landed - so technically the runway was not occupied atm. 🤣
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Correction: 5 minutes of aviation. Because once you've watched it through, you've got to go back and rewatch that first one. Repeatedly.
agree - I did just that
Smart
6 minutes for me 😂
That is the most spectacularly dangerous thing I've seen in I don't know when!!!
wait until you play Airport Madness 3D
I dont think ppl realise how dangerous that first clip was
It's not like a need for a rejected takeoff would have led to disaster or anything
not really. they didn't touch down until the other was going up
@@jamescollier3 there was totally insufficient room for the second plane to execute a go-around if the first plane had to abort its take off run
@@coldlakealta4043or if the 2nd plane had to go around, it would have suffered severe wake turbulence at least.
I do!
Now that’s efficiency! Maybe do a parallel departure on the taxiway too. 😂
Are you referring to the very first proof?
Third world aviation
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@@casmatori southwest 708 happened in the third world
It's a double-stacked pitt-stop! We see it often in Formula One!
Fuck me imagine if the first plane had to abort its takeoff.
My point exactly. That Indigo Airbus would have been in a world of hurt in that situation
they hadn't touched down until after that was impossible
Imagine how many more planes you could shift a day if this wasn't so stupidly dangerous...
@@jamescollier3 I'm not an expert when it comes to planes/airport safety, hell I barely know anything... but I'm still pretty sure that what happened in the first clip still should not have happened. Guess safety was a secondary concern where ever the hell that happened.
my thoughts exactly - a potential disaster
"Erm tower we have to abort the takeoff roll..."
Tower: "no you cant!"
"I order you to take off, so that is what you will do understood?"
@@AlfaGiuliaQV _Pilot removes shirt, then trousers..._ 🔞😉
@@dieseldragon6756you need therapy
Only someone that's in and out of therapy would jump to that over such a nothing burger of a comment.
Tell us more about your therapy. Hope it's going well. @@ethabn4
@@dieseldragon6756are you OK? Because I need bleach now
Mumbai airports has single runway and average 1000 flights per day… I was wondering how they did it and this clip explains everything 😅
airport* There! There's still several months for the 2nd one to begin operating. FTFY
Also..
There are 2 runways. But since they are not parallel, yes.. Only one at a time.
@maazkalim why not just type out fixed that for you instead of FTFY?
@@ClimbMitBourbon Grammar police forgot to start his sentence with a capital letter 🤭 (I'm not referring to you, by the way :))
They do not do this regularly, it was a major incident that is now being reviewed by the DGCA (India’s NTSB)
@@ananyasinghal4745 dgca is not india ntsb
Wow. A non clickbait title. Proud of you man!!!
I've got to say, the situation in the following video's is no joke either. Quality release.
First clip:
"Tower, we have to cancel takeoff."
"Okay, exit the runway on Charlie within the next 4 seconds."
As a Mumbai plane spotter, I couldn’t believe what I saw in the first clip! Huge props to the cameraman!
Car horns in the first one fit well 😂
That's pretty much all you hear in India.
I know it's India's background noise, but I'm imagining the first airplane beeping at the one taking off to hurry up and take off faster
Where in India don't you hear car horns?
Traffic on the runway leads to honking 😂
@@TB-um1xz never been but i noticed the same thing in Egypt
The DCGA in India de-rostered the ATC staff who was responsible for the near close landing at Mumbai airport. That was too close and dangerous.
Anyway, even as an
"ArmChair pilot," I know the landing plane had to have turbulence from the takeoff craft shed of it.
I'm also concerned with the pilot who would continue with a landing seeing that there was another plane on the runway.
@@valerierodger attempting a go around at that point is even more dangerous due to the wake turbulence created by the plane in front taking off.
@@sportonjob6110 The go-around would fly above any wake turbulence created by the departure, and the departure would be in front of any wake turbulence created by the arrival, and the planes would receive diverging headings before the arrival could overtake the departure.
The real danger is insufficient reaction time to go around if the departure were to reject takeoff.
@@AlbertBenajam-ww1db maybe not. One plane is actually on the ground and the one behind is not yet on the ground (immediately behind it). By the time it's on the ground also ...yes there will be some disturbance. Imagine it had to go around...😢😮
lol reminds me of my old flying school. 'If you don't touch the tarmac until they're off, it's not illegal'...cue 20 seconds of floating 😂
what if you float past the touchdown zone and a few seconds later they takeoff?
@@Brianamboko As long as you don't have two aircraft simultaneously on the runway, it's legal. That doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea
@@Brianamboko then you chase the mofo and pull a johncena on him
Exactly. It's only crazy when it doesn't work. 😂
That first clip is crazy.
That HK Airline trying some Tokyo Drifting.
what a film ^^
I’m surprised jet blast and/or wake turbulence didn’t affect the aircraft landing in the first clip. I bet the pilot landing the aircraft had a “code brown” in his shorts while landing.
Don´t think jet blast is a problem for such a big plane at such big distance. Power drops off fast with range. And for wake turbulence to be created the AC needs to be airborn (made by lift induced drag) and by that point the other AC is already on the ground. If it was a light crosswind maybe they felt it a bit after landing when the vortices travel down.
@@patrikmagnusson4213 What about the possible “code brown” problem?
😆 Just kidding
That is just a highly efficient way of using the runway.
wait until you play Airport Madness 3D
Jet blast is not that impacting between mid size planes and wake turbulence only starts forming while the plane is airborne. At that time the Indigo was on the ground already. Still very dangerous in case the approach had to be aborted they would have been extremely close.
I love in the first one that you can hear horn beeping, like it's coming from the plane, GET OUT OF THE WAY YOU MANIAC
Hahaha Now i know why i was laughing that's what i was imagining
The air mexico pilot called it perfectly. It is always amazing to see people with good reflexes and quick thinking.
First Clip "So when you are ready I have a number for you to call..."
"So when you are ready I have a number for you to call..." - It doesn't look to be pilot error and the reports say an ATC Officer has been suspended from duty..
@@davidf6326 Choosing to land on a runway that already has a plane on it is pilot error, no matter what ATC is telling you to do.
@@agate_jcg I bow to your better knowledge if you know exactly how the 'chain of command' works, but one or other must have priority and I suspect it's ATC. Almost certainly it was an ATC error that created the situation and the pilot wasn't left with many options.
@@davidf6326 The pilot is ultimately responsible for the safety of their passengers, full stop. They should have cancelled the landing long before they got that close. Of course ATC are also at fault for clearing them to land.
@@agate_jcgbut there was no plane on the runway. 🙄
The correction on the B787 is crazyy💀
It's amazing to see the flight computers banging in those adjustments so quick. I remember when the Ferrari 355 was released in 1994, it was the first semi-automatic ferrari gearbox that could change more quickly & effectively than a human. Nowadays all high performance cars come with autoboxes, imagine trying to put down 700 horsepower in an Audi RS6 even with Quattro and T/C - the autobox handles it much better than humans. Same with the automation on the autopilots on a modern airliner, it can pump up and down the flappy bits many times more effectively than a human being. Amazing :)
that first one...god damn. the tower control messed up that one. and the 2nd one...man that pilot got mad skills handling that plane with those crosswinds
Bruh that's a320 , they're very tiny planes I don't think it's very difficult to handle them
The IndiGo crew could also have declared a missed approach on its own.
@@PrtthamIf the first plane aborted its takeoff then it would have been an easy collision.
@@Prttham bruh, you have a brick in your skull
exactly 3 minutes, good clips, no stupid music
I'm very impressed
If the comments are taken literally, it seems people are unaware that ATC is responsible for keeping separation between aircraft. The pilot also has the option to abort the landing. The fact that there was no accident doesn't make it okay. Aircraft movements are far more structured and regulated than driving a car or crossing the street. Given visibility wasn't an issue, this pilot landing was taking an unnecessary risk.
Where do you get this? Minimum requirements for this situation is 6000 feet and the first aircraft to have lifted off.
The airplane was airborne. So that was fine. The 6000 feet is hard to judge from the camera angle. It was likely fine.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183it’s 6000 feet at threshold of runway. You get get a fair idea of separation from the time… = way less than 6000. More importantly, there’s a DA and the approaching aircraft would be able to see clearly that there would be a high likelihood that this separation would not be met, regardless of whether they had clearance, a go-around at DA before threshold was the only safe option.
3 seconds separation at 130 (approximately) knots is no more than 1000 ft. If I’m really conservative I’ll give then 1500 feet separation. Ignorance alone can defend that as as legitimately safe commercial aviation.
@@kevinfairclough4619 upon further study, I agree with you.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 I love how people like you are clamoring to show how bad your judgement is.
Re: the first clip, has Aerosucre tried this?
For gods sake, don't give them ideas.
Yeah pls don’t give aerosucre any ideas
No, because all the other pilots know better than to be anywhere but the gate when Aerosucre is on the runway.
Indigo must have hired the Areosucre crew.
They _wanted_ to...But British scAirways already had a patent on it. 🛬🇬🇧😉
Ok so I have a story for you guys... today I was flying student solo at a non towered airport, I just turned on final approach in a 172, someone was on the active, but close to getting off, then, out of nowhere, someone in a piper Seminole took the runway to take off. I think he said he was taking off but im not entirely sure. I announced a go around, held my altitude and 60kts. The Seminole and the 172 on the ground had maybe 20 feet of vertical separation between them and it looked like the Seminole had to take off at a really slow speed to clear the 172. They got yelled at multiple times on the runway by the 172 on the ground, rightfully so, but they never acknowledged it on the radio. Some people just don't deserve their wings
So there were like 3 planes in 1 km area ?
You need to learn to write more clearly.
747 was posing for cameras, what a great screenshot!
That piece of ancient history flies by here everyday, hope it doesn’t fall on our heads like El Al did some 30 years ago
That clip from Mumbai was absolutely terrifying.
Not really. They had loads of separation. Even an aborted take off or go around would have been manageable, if a little hairy.
@@David-ud9ju perhaps, but the incident is/was under investigation by India's DGCA (FAA equivalent) and the pilots and controllers were de-rostered pending the investigation's outcome.
First landing pilot needs a summons for tailgating .... 😜
at least they were honking to let the guy in front know
That first one, the simultaneous landing and takeoff is airport efficiency at it's finest level. Bravo, bravo. 👍👍👍
That I can say, "That's too close."
Exactly
That first clip was insane. People who don’t watch or aren’t into aviation as much wouldn’t realise but that could have been catastrophic definitely wouldn’t have happend anywhere else in the world!
Pucker factor on that first one; 14/10
Holy crap. What was that controller on?!?!?
Biriani
Seeing "747" and "floats" in the same sentence boggles the mind...
Do you what airport that was
If you don't control your speed properly things go wrong....pretty amateurish IMO.
The rudder control inputs on that HK was astonishing!! That wind was giving that pilot a rough time....
Pilot induced oscillation, methinks...
your energy is the perfect pick-me-up on any day! ☕
The title of this video is *technically* inaccurate. The Air India was off the tarmac before Indigo touched down. I'm fully versed in runway incursion and its consequences, but the plane departing *was* off the ground before the plane arriving put its wheels down. So, for about 1 or 2 seconds, the runway was technically not occupied.
I know, I know.... the runway belongs to the departing plane until he has overflown the opposing threshold.
There was a pretty big thread on r/aviation about that first one, and it gets a bit heated. That incoming plane should have waved off well before that, but both would have needed to make some nonstandard departure maneuvers, like both going to opposite sides to get some separation.
The arriving 6E plane could have gone around. The only one not at fault is the AI crew.
It's kind of poetic seeing one bird (the plane) struggling to land and another (the crow) taking off without so much as a thought about it.
The crow took off on the right wind direction, while the plane must stick to runway
I love these videos, and well notated so you know exactly what to look for. Thank You!
Looks like I won't be travelling to Mumbai any time soon...lol.
do travel, the single runway operation is a madness you need to witness
If this might push fares to Mumbai down to the point I can afford them, I might well! 🇬🇧🛫☁🛬🇮🇳👍
What's the chance of getting an arrival « _En traffique_ » like the one we see here, do you think? 😨🎢😋
Interesting first clip, fairly dangerous situation but i noticed the landing aircraft did not actually touchdown until the other aircraft had departed and left the runway.
Watching from Kenya.🇰🇪🇰🇪
That first one is an unacceptable breakdown of separation, pure and simple.
And pilot should've gone around at 100 feet, how could it known that the plane in front wouldn't have to abort take off?
The demanding role of air traffic controllers.
• Mumbai airport is one of the busiest airport with high traffic density.
• On a single runway RW27 at the airport, there are around 46 arrivals and departures per hour.
• Air Traffic Controllers (ATCs) are allowed to clear up to two arrivals and two departures within three minutes, subject to acceptable limits of safety.
• Also, the separation minima between two aircraft can be reduced if the visibility is good.
• In this particular case that happened on Saturday at the Mumbai airport, the visibility was good and there was no air prox situation with respect to the landing IndiGo flight and the taking off Air India flight. This may be a "wow"
moment for outlookers but those who perform this safety critical task daily
comes under part of their duty for which they are rigorously trained. • The ATC has the discretion to allow arrival and departure within a few minutes on the same runway, especially in high density airports.
• ATCs are under significant pressure when there is high density traffic at airports.
• The DGCA probe will be looking at whether all norms were followed by the ATC as well as the pilots concerned. Had there been a safety risk for landing, the pilot himself would have initiated a Go-Around. Media trials put extra stress on working controllers, as the nature of job itself comes with risk at every clearance which is done under acceptable limits of safety.
We hope with this atleast some more awareness will come in people at large about why ATC is called one of the most stressful job in the world.
_This was a super interesting bunch of video clips!_
Passengers in the front plane: Wow. Pilot is in a hurry today
Passangers in the rear plane: Wow. This guy used his heavy foot on the brakes
Both pilots : 😱😨😰
Me (Seasoned railway user): _„ _*_Why_*_ is everybody saying that the planes were too close?...“_ 🙃
2:37 how bad do you have to be flying for the autopilot to start calling you names?
The guy in the last clip calling out the altitudes then berating the pilot for messing up the landing was wild.
I see wot u did dere.
don't quit your day job
Thank you for such an wonderful channel and content. Cheers from Portugal.
0:28 India is not for beginners...!
Best video yet!
First clip: I'm damn sure whoever from the ATC went ahead with that landing must have thought the airport as a real life extension of Airport Madness.
He's been suspended.
He's probably a Microsoft flight simulator ATC on the weekends
i play ATC4, and that action would trigger risk index warning and substract your final score 😅
Now - that's the kind of runway utilization we can expect to see more of in the future as airports get busier! ;-)
Tuk tuk traffic on Runway
Flying tuktuk a3soorupee
The first video - Very effective. They probably use adaptive cruise control "close in modus"
First clip: landing on the dots at Oshkosh?
It was at Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Airport (Mumbai, Maharashtra State, India).
@@AEMoreira81 Thank you for that! It answered a question I wanted the answer to, but didn’t ask. Also, my comment was a bit of a joke: At the EAA AirVenture airshow each year, the main runway is painted with colored dots and general aviation arrivals are assigned to different color dots. This looked far more dangerous, yet similar, so I thought I’d get a couple of likes from pilots who have flown into that airshow. But only two likes so far, so there must not be that many Oshkosh alumns here.
Pilot induced oscillation is usually not yaw, what’s the crosswind component there?
The plane i was in had the close call on landing on occupied runway. A bit scary as the pilot hit full power just as we came over the beginning of the runway. Landed safely about 15 minutes later. 3:00
@2:36, what is it saying? It's after the countdown...40, 30, 20, re-????
Aircraft has “autothrust”, a computer controlled system to maintain airspeed by constantly altering engine speed depending on pitch and wind conditions to maintain a desired air speed. The pilots keep the thrust lever in one position (nearly all the way forward) on approach and the autothrust system does the rest. The countdown, as I’m sure you’re aware is the radio altimeter. However, if the pilots don’t pull back the thrust lever before landing gear touches runway (retard it) the aircraft will assume the pilots want to give full thrust to abort the landing (go-around). So the cue to “retard” just before touchdown is for that reason.
I’m simple terms it’s saying “retard” “retard” which is an airbus reminder to turn off the engines before landing.
Scary stuff right there!
Thank you very much for sharing! Great video!
*HK Airlines rudder inputs were exceptionally high! Texan pilots?*
The first clip showed how aviation could be organized a lot more efficiently. Wow, just a 6 second buffer between planes is enough, you could have 600 planes using same runway in an hour!
Bro thought this was infinite flight casual servers
What were the weather conditions on the second clip? It looks like there was a decent crosswind component.
First clip was an airprox and both the controllers and flight crews need 'education' for letting it happen. The latter should have gone around.
#3 the A321: The Airbus A321's Angle of Attack (AOA) warning system is designed to alert pilots if the aircraft approaches a potentially dangerous angle of attack, particularly during critical phases of flight such as landing and touchdown. This system utilizes sensors to monitor the angle of attack and can activate visual and audible warnings in the cockpit if the aircraft is at risk of stalling or experiencing a tailstrike. The alerts help pilots take corrective action to prevent damage to the aircraft, ensuring a safer landing.
Pilot was former Tuktuk (Rickshaw) Driver!
u mean atc
I imagined the horns to be the Indigo A320 😂
That 747 looked like it was coming in way too fast. Like “no flaps” speed, though they were out. A planned touch and go?
They weren't close to "no flaps speed" as this would overspeed the flaps that were fully deployed
AFAIK, a probe was ordered for the first clip. Happened in Mumbai. But I cannot stop appreciating the fact that the timing of perfect - the AI aircraft took off the moment the Indigo aircraft landed
Shouldn’t 1 min pass between 2 aircrafts using the runway?
No
Sadly the separation is getting smaller and smaller, as airports are overloaded with more and more flights but there's no magic number. It's all very risky and on the limit at busy airports.
video of the year!
Japan Air passengers on the left side watching that landing, thinking this takeoff will be interesting!
😂😂😂
Boeing 747: confidently landing on the runway.
Also Boeing 747: where's the runway?
Now THAT's efficient use of a runway! Awesome piloting!
Awesome amount of stupidity from already de-rostered ATC officer who give Indigo clearance to land.
There’s no efficiency there,that’s damn right dangerous. Safety margins in Aviation are there for a reason !
Wow. The first clip was seriously dangerous
Landing on an occupied runway is a big no no. Both atc and pilots are to blame for that poor decision on the first clip.
The runway wasn't occupied on touch down. It's legal.
@@n666eobut…what about Deciscion Altitude? What was the pilot thinking not going around during this point in final? DA is where pilots must decide whether to continue or execute a missed approach based on visual cues or instrument indications (an aircraft on the runway is such a cue). This occurs before runway threshold. Crossing the threshold with another aircraft still on the runway is not “legal” as you put it. Nothing to do with when the aircraft touches down. It’s essential procedure. It’s a definite no for landing way before they cross the threshold. Also consider separation. For cat 3 aircraft it’s 6000 ft. This separation is way shorter. No room to do anything safe if need to execute a TO abort or missed approach go-around. Yes, radio comms but where’s the redundancy in that?
@@kevinfairclough4619 DA is not for aircraft on the runway unless it's not predicted. Pretty sure the aircraft on final knew about the plane taking off from ATC.
You're right about the 6000ft separation, but it's not CAT 3.
@@n666eo , imagine if landing acft had to go around for some reason... imo Indigo capt was irresponsible.
@@just_another_brick_in_the_wall We have seen far worst go around in the USA, 3 or 4 times in 2 or 3 years...
Wild one this week.
First clip=happened on 8 June 2024 and supposedly the Indian authorities have initiated an enquiry
I suspect the foreshortening of the telephoto lens makes the separation of the aircraft seem much closer than it was. The landing plane touches down just as the other one is lifting off. The touch down happens about 10 seconds after crossing the runway threshold, and the takeoff probably happens about 6500-7000 feet down the runway from the same point. My guess is the minimum separation between them was around 4000-4500 feet. If this were the US, FAA rules would require that the landing aircraft should not cross the runway threshold before the departing aircraft has lifted off and (where distance can be read by markers) the distance between them should be at least 6000 feet. So basically the landing happened about 10 seconds early compared to what the FAA allows and ate up about 1/3 the minimum required time and distance between the aircraft. That's bad but, well, the FAA rules are pretty scary, too. I think European rules have a wider margin of safety, but I'm not sure.
Normal air traffic in India😂
Damn man that blue and white four engine aircraft had a lovely sound and looks like e beast ❤
"How many times did you watch the 1st clip?"
"Yes!"
Bruh, the 2nd one went FULL RUDDER, Holy Crap :D thats for sure something that might make u loose control ^^
That Neo aint going around for shit
Tbh I think a go around would not have been the best option here either… even in the air the separation would have been extremely small
@@l.merbecks8144 at the end it was too late, but long before the pilots had ample opportunity to execute a go around
@@l.merbecks8144exactly steep turn and waste of fuel
Second one is actually great landing skills to keep plane under control. You can hear wind in the recording too
India is crazy they’re bumper to bumper on the roads and on the runways! 😂😂
Mumbai really needs that second airport.
0:23min you can clearly see in the frames that the first airplane was airborne when the second landed - so technically the runway was not occupied atm. 🤣
Fair enough
I love how the plane behind us honks the plane in front to get it to move!!!!
It's actually 2:59
If the first plane does a missed approach, what heading do they fly? Any but runway heading?
India 🇮🇳 is not for beginners 😢😂
On that last clip it’s impressive how fast N1 goes from thrust idle to TOGA power
That first clip was insanely dangerous!
Great video!
Was one not cleared for takeoff or landing because ATC is supposed to stop one another to avoid a collision
Excellent ATC
But I believe the matter is being investigated" too close for comfort"
ATC in that first clip been playing airport madness...
was that 747 freighter floating in ground effect? too fast?