Full Restoration Needed On This Universal Genève Watch!
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2022
- Marshall dives into another vintage watch restoration, this time it's a full restore on a beautiful Universal Genève from probably the 1940s or maybe 1950s. This one has a lovely dial, and a solid movement, but the case is a disaster with worn plating, it's in dire need of a restoration!
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The watchmaker skills you have are impressive, but we should not forget the camerawork put into this, it is an art form. well done!
And the commentary. A+ all around!
@@Noold agreed the commentary is A1
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Yes! I can edit and have some equipment. Marshall does an incredible job at everything he does.
Marshall, the green goo on the spring bars is the result of leather reacting with the brass pins. Leaving brass-cased cartridges in leather bullet loops, or brass-frame knives in leather sheaths has the same effect. To prevent this we use nickel-plated brass in the bullet loops.
This sort of knowlegde is soooo specfic, and truly why I love this Channel!
But wasn't those bars coated as well.. it didn't look just brass
I have an old Buck knife from my father that had this same problem. Real brass on the handle, and real leather holster = green discoloring
Vegetable tanned leather should not react that much as the modern Chemically tanned leather
Chrome tanned leather does this.
I thoroughly enjoy your narration as well as you voice.I own a busy mercedes benz restoration shop car shop In Baltimore for the last 44 years , and I am under a lot of pressure every day . I love to restore just about anything , from a watch to a watering can to a Mercedes 560 sl and your voice relaxes me sometimes so much I fall asleep. I know this sounds funny but your whole demeanor is wonderful. Your voice is so calming and your videos are so informative , I play them every afternoon after work as well as, at night when I go to bed, I learn alot and I get a good nights rest at the same time . Thanks for everything. Your voice has love it it , thats the only way I am able to desribe it.. I love this hobby . I love to restore things. YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!
Thanks
Brian
Hey Marshall, just wanted to say I repaired my first watch the other day! I got it for my 16th birthday and It stopped running one day so I put it in storage. After watching your videos and buying a simple beginner’s watchmaking set I decided it would be my first watch repair. I got the movement out of the case and Lo and behold, a case screw was stopping he pallet fork from operating! I got it back where it belonged and the watch is happily ticking away.
👏 and so your journey begins
" A man with a watch is always sure of the time. A man with many watches is never sure of what time it is". Love your productions, so relaxing. Thank you..
It's always nice to see that someone who does something, and is good at it makes mistakes also. Appreciate you showing that. It's a good reminder that we're all fallible.
Very fallible here lol
He his very good at this. His voice is perfect for it. It’s so relaxing to unwind with one of his videos. You cross threaded the screw at 34:50 that I cringed for but hey, it’s still a hobby. Mistakes are there to learn from… Keep it up Marshall, wonderful channel!!!
@@SilentRacer911 Agreed
Honestly I cannot tell you how much pleasure it gives me to hear a person from North America actually pronounce Genève properly. THANK YOU!! It's such a simple pronunciation and so many watch youtubers overthink it and butcher it completely. Literally only two syllables. Bless you.
The way you admitted that you made a mistake with the spring was amazing how humble you are! It shows your real character! Huge fan of your work.
I'm glad you showed the mistake and talked about patience and learning from it. That is how we learn thanks.
My dad did watch repair and building from home when I was a kid. I'm 73 now, and throughly enjoyed this video!
I had some great watch projects for school that he helped me with! The workings were always fascinating to me.
His work with watches helped my brother and me be physically fit, too. We sometimes forgot he was working on one, go running in to where he was, hollering, startle him!!! That's when we found out how fast we could keep running!! 😂🏃♀️🏃🤣
every video somehow manages to walk that fine line between 'for beginners' and 'for experts'. fascinating. no idea how you do it, and yet you do it every time. such good work!
Absolutely incredible outcome. Thank you for the amazing entertainment. I hope one day I can do this to my watches.
then you look at watch oil and and realize it’s more expensive than platinum.
You, here ! Hi Elliot i actually seen all your videos ! Viva el gameboy 😅
You can do this thing!
Marshall, every one of your videos is just as informative as the first. As a long time viewer, you make the repetitive interesting. Every once in a while we get a little more information about a tool or a process that makes it so interesting. Also you have a voice for media. Love watching this stuff. My father just gifted me all his tools. I may operate on my own watch!
I'm watching this with a whole new appreciation having just taken apart and put back together my first watch project. You have been the inspiration I needed to get into watchmaking.
The good news from my adventure, I took my watch apart, cleaned it and put it together and it runs.
The bad news, I'm not the first to try. I'm missing a cap jewel a few screws (one I lost, those things are little rockets!) and one of the automatic works wheels. I'm currently looking out for a donor movement.
If you read all this, thank you for encouraging others to try!
If its elgin or eta, then there are GREAT databases of every model and part every made and you stand a good chance of finding them on ebay by part number
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This is one of the best videos I think Marshall has made.
I can imagine how much work you went through just to get the video finished. Great job.
Wow! I never thought such a pitted watch could come out looking so exceptional. The golden color of the dial with that beautifully replated case came out looking so classy. Subtle understated elegance. Lovely work, Marshall!
Thank you for these fantastic videos. My grandfather was a clockmaker, and I have dabbled with the hobby for the last several years. After watching many of your videos, I have confirmed that I will stick with clocks and not even consider working on watches. Clocks try my patience, steady handedness, and vision enough. :)
Keep up the awesome work!
I am a mechanical engineer and usually i am not very patient. But when it comes to precision stuff like that I am very calm and collected. I could totally see myself doing this (not as good as you), or at least give it a try.
I am watching your videos for years and it stays in the back of my head. Someday i will take the leap and buy all the tools and get going. Someday...
WOW! As soon as you replaced the balance, The increase in amplitude was massive!! 👍😎
Beyond a hobby. This is a masterclass. Well done. Very informative
What a change "just" cleaning and giving the watch a new coat. Really cool watch. Yes I use cool a lot as it was a well used word for great when I was a tween and teen.
That moment when the balance wheel is put in place and it works - me: "Aw. Your little heart is beating again". I am now the proud owner of a ladies skeleton watch my son bought me for Mother's Day (I'm in the UK) yesterday. I can enjoy seeing its little heart beating and I can see the pallet fork as well. I have an abnormally thin wrist and it is quite a big watch but it looks really good (it's an automatic as well) and keeps really good time. My old Lorus quartz has now been retired after 20 years of good service. Great video again Marshall. Thank you for uploading.
I enjoy all the little sounds of the watch coming apart, and from assembly, that you include in your videos!
I found this channel a few months ago and immediately recognized your voice.
I started listening to you years ago when I was really into MTG. Your Limited set reviews were legendary.
I love your content. Keep up the great work!
He does MTG stuff too?? Where can I find it?
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@@sirmaxxx yeah! There's an mtg mat on his bench there in the video.
He does the Limited Resources podcast (it also has a RUclips channel). I learned about Wristwatch revival through Limited Resources because Marshall has mentioned it a few times there.
@@SegFaultMatt Thank you
The strap and the dial look beautiful together, great choice! They look like they are meant for each other
Agree...nice combo as the band compliments the patina of the dial. Although I think the crown is a bit too large and blocky for that case.
To answer your question Marshall, when I see all those parts I think "not that bad!". I've never disassembled/reassembled a watch, but I have never had fear about taking things apart ever since I was a young lad. Putting things back together, and figuring out how they work is a joy!
I stumbled upon you channel when I was stuck in a hotel in France for 2 months. The quality of the videos are amazing and I love the narration. You sound like you could be telling us about a 67 Chevy in a Barrett Jackson auction
Really enjoyed this video! The plating process was so fascinating! Thanks Marshall, another fantastic restoration.
Another amazing restoration! And, I can't say it enough, thank you for the narration! I very much enjoy knowing hearing you explain what you are doing, your thoughts and insight, as well as your humor! Outstanding!
Wow, beautiful result!
Thanks for explaining keyless works... I never knew.
love the fact that you are not replacing every part of that watch. i got a watch from my father, that got the watch from his father. when i went to get it serviced (it did not run because my father fell down a stair with that watch) they wanted to replace almost everything, but i said keep the dial, idc if it will look "brandnew" because i don't want to look it any different.
Wonderful transformation! I also like the looks of that movement. Not fancy or embellished, but so crisply machined. Really nice.
Hey Marshall, fun bit of trivia for you: I don’t know specifically how it’s done in the watch industry, but often items that are ‘chrome plated’ are actually first plated with a thick layer of nickel, followed by a very thin layer of chrome. Supposedly, the chrome layer is so thin that it doesn’t contribute to the color at all, rather it’s just the nickel that gives the piece it’s silvery color. If this watch was plated in that way, then the chrome layer might have prevented the nickel solvent from stripping the nickel off.
Bob, the only time that things are directly chromed is hard chrome for things like hydraulic rams or plastic injection screws. The chrome in decorative plating is thin partly because it’s quite stressed and if it builds up too thick can peel. The trouble with chrome is that it is so corrosion resistant that any imperfection or blemish corrodes like crazy the substrate hence the pitting that Marshall comments on. The jewellery industry usually nickel plates under gold to stop the gold diffusing into the brass underneath. Nickel silver is a posh name for a white brass. To strip chrome is easy, a 5- 10 g/l sodium hydroxide solution with the chrome anodic, takes a few seconds and you can see the change easily as the chrome disappears and the more yellow nickel shows through.
What a beautiful watch. Great job giving it a new lease on life!
I used to love just listening to your drafting videos when going to sleep. I think your watch videos are replacing it. So relaxing
For 2 years I've been watching these on a laptop or even phone, and tonight I tried it on a big TV. Now I may have to go back and rewatch your whole catalog because wow.
Yet another outstanding rebuilding loved seeing the plating process
Thank you for your videos! They inspired me to move from grandfather and kitchen clocks to pocket and wrist watches. I’m on my way!👍
In electronics we know that electrons move from the - to the +. That’s why we make the watch + when electroplating. Same reason that welders make their work + and their rods - when welding upside down. It might go against what people think is normal, but it works that way.
Also, a power supply that produces 1.25, up to 37 volts at 1.5 amps maximum can easily be made using an LM-317 integrated circuit and a hand full of small parts. You can even modify your power supply to use that regulator I.C. They cost about $1.50.
Interesting to see the plating, will check that out :). And I agree, if you by the Bergeon mainspring winder set your stuck for life haha.
Just ordered my first automatic watch. You’re channel got me intrigued in buying one. The watch I picked up is a orient bambino gen2 ver3 in a white dial. Cant wait for it. Thanks for peaking my interest. 😀
Orient Bambino is a great watch! Enjoy it! My first watch was a Seiko, but my second was an Orient (I think they even used to be the same company).
Please beware! Collecting mechanical watches is highly addictive and there is no current effective treatment available....
Muchas gracias por restaurar relojes que están más al alcance del común de la gente, después de todo son los que guardan más historias de vida!
I will never do what your doing, BUT, I find this utterly fascinating to see. It helps my understanding of how these work. Thanks for your videos you do!!
I'm very good at my profession but it's amazing to me how you are able to remember how to put this back together..
This one turned out really nice indeed, and it runs amazingly well too with that a few seconds a day deviation and strong amplitude. Time well spent on this.
Marshall you cant keep us this long without a video man.
I was also looking for a new one. Great video
I love your ‘satisfaction giggle’ when you hear the click of the mainspring and the dancing of the balance. Great video as always! Many thanks.
You relax me with your gentleness. You aren’t a hobbyist any more. You are a professional.
I've watched dozens of your thoughtful restorations, and this one is a favorite. Great dialog throughout--I'm always learning something as you work through the process--and in the end, I feel comforted by your achievement. Oh, and a lust for the finished product. Great channel and pure quality of craft. Thank you.
Really cool to see this new process that you’ve learned with the plating. I was saying to myself before you got there that I thought you’d end up dipping the case in some sort of acid to strip it, and I was kinda right. LoL. Good stuff, Sir.
Beside the main spring click. I really like the first time you open an old watch and how Beautiful the Mechanism is even after all those years. Really nice restoration. Thanks for sharing 👍.
Your comment about being patient , I am of the firm belief that there is a very big difference between patience and love ! In my understanding (at least the way i see it) , patience is spending a lot of time on something you are not particularly fond of . Where as love makes it really easy to get completely lost in time without even noticing it ! I am a knife maker and i absolutely love making miniature knives . People often tell me i must have huge patience , but i am not a patient person AT ALL , but i do have a lot of love for what it do
Thank you Marshall for sharing your hobby with us , it is something i would love to get into at some stage
Nice job, and a pretty watch:) kind of surprised that you didn't address the flaking on the underneath of the dial (can be seen around 4:40). Seems like something that potentially can separate and go into the watch movement?
yeah that’s not good. the underside of the dial is important as is the varnished side. any amount of debris will find its way to a lubricated jewel… and that was a lot of rust.
Glad I’m not the only one
Nickel might have been used in early days but it was abandoned for use in jewellery as a lot of people suffer from an allergic reaction to that metal. As it was cheap it's use would have made sense on earrings and alike but for watches, which are usually more expensive they most likely did prefer other plating that was more durable?
My son is allergic to nickel. His first watch was nickel plated, and it left a nasty "burn" on his skin
The EU has a law forbidding the use of nickel on anything that’s touches the skin. White bronze or silver are good alternatives, and you can still nickel plate a base coat for durability.
@@MrMadvillan I have an aunt that is also highly allergic to nickel. She could never wear watches until they came up with a watch which had a case and strap/band made almost entirely of titanium
Marshall, I love that you film the video and then do a voiceover. It adds so much depth to this type of filmmaking. Way to go. Love your style!!!
You are a magician! Absolutely wonderful- it gives a warm glow to see you rescue these watches, all done with a gentle care and appreciation for their individual histories.
Just great! Thanks
Love your content... would you ever consider detailing an alternate movement cleaning process for those of us that don't have watch-part cleaning machines, but might have ultrasonic cleaners.
I think there are older videos before the got the machine
I should have read the comments, I just asked the same thing :-). I didn't see anything other than the 'unveiling' video of when he got his cleaning machine, but admittedly, I could have missed details in other videos.
I love this channel. I have never worked on a watch. It would be good to have a list of names of the tools you use. I might like to try my hands at watch maintenance. This is very soothing and interesting to watch you work. Thank you!
After subscribing and watching a number of your video’s, RUclips’s algorithms predictably bombarded me with watch Restoration/Repair content, and I have perused a number of different ones. This is Kudos to you for being an excellent videographer and content creator, but more importantly having the perfect blend of narration, explaining the whys and what for’s of what your doing without losing us non-watch people in the weeds. Very much appreciative of the genuine humility and likability you exude on your videos, and your skill sets are far superior to any hobbyist. Also thank you for avoiding the common mistake a lot of content creators make with annoying music, your narrations are perfect by themselves. Well done! Looking forward to more great videos.
Nice restoration again Marshall! I have to admit the old patina on the dial looks in its own way so warm and luxurious that it hearkens back to a time when it would have been worn in smoke filled bars and dens. Really looks like the dial was coated with cigar smoke. And no flying parts this time! You seem to enjoy embarrassing yourself with your little mistakes and we appreciate the honesty. Carry on!
My "smart" watch lasted about 2 years and this thing is still working after ~65 years... The only thing smart about smart appliances is the manufacturer can force you into buying a new one every few years.
Yup. I bought my first mechanical because I was sick of buying batteries.
Been watching for a while. Love that you refreshed on what some of the "ususal" tools are and really enjoyed the plating process. Finally tipped me over to join your patreon.
I have just finished putting together a 1956 Bulova. I got it off of eBay, not running, and it was the most difficult thing I’ve ever attempted. Didn’t lose any springs, had a couple close calls, but when that balance wheel kicked off, it was so very much worth it.
I want to thank you for your videos. I never would have attempted to get into watchmaking if not for them.
Thank you!
I am glad you encourage other hobbyists. I just like to watch at this point. I am learning the jargon and it's just so fun to watch. Thank you for always being so descriptive.
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Wonderful restoration of a great watch: thank you for this beautiful video, Marshall. I could not believe how well this old movement runs, but Universal Genève is up there for a reason.
Hey Marshall; I will never do this as a hobby. I guess I just love older watches and I love them fixed and running well. I watch a lot of you tube but your channel is the best? I just love watching you do this. You’re a good man my friend.
Really love your channel Marshall. It has inspired me dip my toe into the watchmaking waters. I really appreciate how you explain what you are doing, giving us the names of all the parts, along with all the other details you provide.
I like how the narriation was recorded after the fact but has the feeling of discovery of a live commentary.
This one is definitely a keeper. Die dail is just perfect.
Wow! I would be proud to wear that little beauty!!! Nice job, Marshall!!!🥰
Great job, that looks great and nice strap choice. I appreciated seeing the plating process. As always, thanks for taking us along on the journey.
This was a particularly excellent journey. It gives those of us who are wrestling with gremlin-filled movements the inspiration to keep moving forward. Many thanks!
I literally gasped when the barrel arbor went flying LOL! Using a tan/deer colored band was a great choice...plays to the tone of the patina on the dial.
I would love to own that watch. I have a new Relic that is supposed to look like that, but nothing compares to real patina and real wear and tear. Magic!
Marshall! It is a genuine pleasure to watch you do you thing. Honestly, there is not one single thing you could do better. The cinematography, the editing, the narration. It's all perfect. Well, there is one thing... I would love for you to make more videos. Thank you so much.
Normally I am all for restoring or replacing the dial... but, this is GORGEOUS. Another great video!!!
fun to listen to your commentary, which is rare, keep up the work and the light-hearted commentary
Being and engineer, this channel is so satisfying and inspirational. I've always been facinated by watch making and I am considering beginning this as a hobby.
That band compliments the watch so nicely
For someone that does it as a hobby you’re doing very well but I would recommend to grab the nicely finished Pieces (bridges) more from on top ( the screw hole) than from the side.
It is just something that we need to learn in swiss watchmaking shool… but you are doing really great and keep it up with your video’s and if you have any questions just ask.
and the moment you hat with forgetting to put a piece in happens more than you may thiand in this situit was a quick fix… I once had to disassemble the whole watch
I think the fact that you have to be so gently and patient is exactly what makes watchmaking so magnificent. I love doing little models, hewlery and so on and if you just listen to a podcast or some good music, its like meditation ^^
Thank you for walking through the nickel re-plating process. I found a few old watches I would love to work on but the cases are very bad. This gives me hope that I could bring them back to a presentable condition. Thanks!!
I wandered onto this channel last month. I have no idea why it was in my algorithm but today I rec'd my first watch - Seiko 5 Sports Pepsi. Thank you very much Wristwatch Revival.
You saved another watch for history! I agree that these are pieces of history and that a functioning imperfect piece is better than a perfect broken one. Look forward to the next one as always.
Well done! Thoroughly entertaining with a dynamic end result! Thank you for letting us come along for the journey!
When I'm hyper-focused, I become patient. I lose patience, is when I'm doing something pointless. This was a perfect video.
your commentary is wholesome. it shows your enthusiasm for learning. teaching and appreciation for the watch itself. you are modest in your approach which makes you relatable. you don't need to hear this from me. but keep up the good work. I recently started selling vintage Seiko 5 and citizen 8200s and will need to learn some basics soon
I started with this hobby because of your channel, I tried repairing a pocket watch I got off ebay but sadly failed; it's missing one of the two staffs on the balance wheel which move the fork. I'm proud of myself to have noticed it and correctly identified the issue, hopefully I can get another balance for that movement... Recently I found my grandfather's old pocket watch which wasn't running and also identified the issue; this one was missing a jewel on the wheel train which I later found inside the case. I'm fairly confident I can make it run again, just have to gather up the courage to get at it again.
Absolutely love your videos.
Can't get enough of them and the way you explain things is so calm and precise without sounding like your talking down.
Love It ❤
I love the intricacy of the watch mechanisms. Never thought about owning a time piece but now I am and videos like this help you to gain appreciation for the art of their machining. Whereas most people wear them but haven't the slightest clue what's on the inside. Glad I've stumbled on your channel!
I have always admired watch makers, and you make it look like it's fun and something I would truly enjoy. Thank you for your amazing content sir. Much appreciated, especially in times like these!!
You sir have the hands of a surgeon! That was a great informational video on watch repair. I was amazed simply by the fact you knew where every part went back let alone all the other talent you have. Thank you!!
As a hobbyist watch restorer myself I'm envious of the tools you have but you inspire me to buy better tools and use your processes as you restore these old watches. I think it's a great hobby, it inspires patience, a little innovation when things go sideways and provides quite a lot of satisfaction when someone actually pays for your work.
How did you learn? I want to get into the hobby myself.
Just ran across your question a year later...sorry.
I already had a vast collection of watches saved over many years, most running but a few not. Since they were cheap I started taking them apart and see if I could get them running and then reassemble them. I quickly learned that I liked Swiss watches because of their layered design unlike a Timex with is a sandwich design. Then started buying just a few better tools and I still do not have all the tools that Marshall has to his disposal.
But you do not need all of them, you will adjust based on how serious you are about watch restoration. For instance I do not have the re-plating tools and machines. I just don't buy distressed watches like Marshall just restored in this video. A also found some local resources here in Seattle that helped with certain parts. My only advice, do not ever try to restore or clean a vintage watch dial, you will ruin it. I clean and refurbish every watch I buy and to date I have sold about 640 watches on eBay.@@asensibleyoungman2978
@@devonshire56 Thank you. Much appreciated.
i love your enthusiasm even u can hear it in your voice, specially after putting the thing back together and finding out its accurate hah
I like the off set seconds hand. I thank it makes the watch look more vintage
When you put the watch in the time grapher, after the cleaning, I saw the amplitude and WOWed at the same time as you did.
It is a joy to watch these videos! I like the attention to detail and the pleasant way in which you comment on what you're doing. Every video is like a journey !!
Hi Marshall. Your videos are motivating me to get back in the hobby. I "enrolled" in Timezone's Watch School years ago, but got busy with life and sort of walked away. (I still have my tools and mini-bench.) You're really very good for a hobbyist.
Very well done! Appreciate you showing your mis steps, that is encouraging to us who are also in the hobby.