Push to have LGBTQ club at Yeshiva University recognized
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- A judge ruled in favor of a LGBTQ group at Yeshiva University looking to get official recognition from the school, but that doesn't mean the court battle is over yet, with the university vowing to appeal, claiming it's a religious organization that doesn't have to legally recognize the group.
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How selfish do you have to be to attend one of the only religious Jewish universities just to impose an opposing idea onto it, and make the university shut down all clubs because of your selfishness?
Well if they're so selfish, u shouldn't have ever accepted federal funding, now cope and seethe
Don’t attend there then. Stop forcing your disturbing way of life on religious organizations. Just don’t attend.
Nope. The university should not accept federal funds if the don’t want to play by the rules that come with that money just like everyone else does.
@@jasonaltig985 What about the other side of the coin? If the government witholds funds from YU because of things like this, aren’t they discriminating against the institution for its religious beliefs? The 1st amendment prohibits the government from doing that.
The government owes not a single penny for religious activities, get off your high horse@@theioncow18
Katie Rosenfeld, an attorney for the YU Pride Alliance, said the decision to cancel all club activities "rather than accept one LGBTQ peer support group on campus is a throwback to 50 years ago when the city of Jackson, Mississippi closed all public swimming pools rather than comply with court orders to desegregate."
She hit the nail on the head.
No she didn't. That's a poor analogy to make. Judaism as a religion is against homosexuality. They should not need to act against their religion. Racism is not intended in a society like homophobia is intended in a religion.
Edit: in other words, there is a moral dilemma in behavior according to religion. Being a certain race is not a moral question.
Big difference between PUBLIC swimming pools and a PRIVATE university, bud
The subject Yeshiva is not just a religious organization, it is a RELIGIOUS CORPORATION. Ultimately, it all rests on the definition of what is a YESHIVA. Furthermore, is there such a thing as a "secular Yeshiva (according to all established dictionaries, such an identity seems severely oxymoronic)?"
Certainly, there must be Talmudically independent Yeshivas (more oxymorons) somewhere in America, most likely located in New York City/State. Why do these people who do not fit in with a particular Yeshiva Corporation's definition of an acceptably compliant student insist that the Religious Corporation itself change its charter in order to satisfy their own, latter-day, perversely developed, erotic beliefs?
Effectively, the LGBTQ Club -- by appealing to the judicial authority of America's secular government -- wants to schismatically impose its own alterations of Talmudic faith upon a much more conservative student body, as represented by the assaulted Yeshiva's corporate leadership. They should instead incorporate their own, more secular Yeshiva in order to propagate such dissociatively un-Orthodox beliefs.
then move to a secular one?
Or how about this university doesn’t accept public/secular funds if they want to behave like bigots.
@RS I care not if it’s offensive, only if it’s accurate, and in this case it is.
@RS are they discriminating and not allowing them the same privileges? Yes, therefore they are bigots as the majority of the religious right is.
@RS that actually defines bigot lol. Excluding another group of people for who there are is bigotry.
@RS no, not liking a position on something is not bigotry. Treating people differently based on who they are is. Why should religion get a free pass for discriminating just because they believe in a sky wizard? The Nazis had standards, does that mean they weren’t bigots?
They were not upset to accept secular funds to further their University. Those funds came with stipulations the University was well aware of... so stop your whining.
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what about the fact the torah says homosexuality is a sin?
look at chumash vayikra ( 18: 22) parshas emor.
I went to yeshiva university when I first became religious
and left after one semester.
Modern Orthodox is a confusing system.
The gemara says you try to grab everything you
get nothing, if you grab something small you get something.
Meaning, there should be torah scholars, and those who
are workers. The ones who have money support the
torah scholars, also known as the
zevulun - issachar partnership.
As for those who call torah learners leaches who do not
want to work, let me see you sit in a beis medrash and
study and pray all day, and tell me they are lazy.
Then the University should not have accepted secular funds which required it to adhere to secular rules.
@David Wang
I cannot speak for xianity or islam, but the jewish religion has no unity. 100% you could have 2 religious jews today that are totally different people in dress, personality,
and knowledge. It is the nature of religion that one wants to push their perspective over others, and this leads to clashes.
I use the torah as a personal guide in life, but I understand I am just one person. Some will like me, some will not, I could care less. I tell you honestly, when you are honest between you and g-d and have a strong connection, life is much easier.
Utterly irrelevant. If they want to behave like this, don’t take govt. funds. Pretty simple.
@@jasonaltig985
Agreed
This partnership I spoke of is on the assumption a rich person willingly will donate to support scholars.
In today's world the non religious tend to dislike the religious so they they take government funds.
I found for myself both sides have serious flaws. I take from the Torah the good but lead a somewhat modern life. I'm kind of between both. Because I see how the Torah should make you a regular person, meaning being able to relate to all people and be in the world.
The first question is whether the state statute violates the Constitution.
If it does, the New York State law as it applies to religious universities should not be continued to apply.
The discussion will continue as to whether it is appropriate for Yeshiva University or any other similar institution to accept government (i.e. taxpayer) funds. In my opinion, it was never appropriate for any government entity or agency to offer taxpayer’s money to private organizations in the first place.
People on both sides of the argument have represented and will continue to represent their side as being in favor of “freedom”.
I’m not Hebrew and I’m not a follower of Judaism but my guess is that, IF Yeshiva University were truly and strictly private (including its sources of funding), I would agree with most of what is taught at Yeshiva University (including sabbath keeping and dietary restrictions on campus, if there are any) but, If you had asked me, a while back (1980s even) about the implications of a private university accepting government funding, I was already then of the opinion that such funding would eventually be used as an excuse to limit the freedom of the institution to maintain its own academic and social standards based on the premise (with which premise I agree) that taxpayers should not ever fund the promotion of religious doctrines or practices.
That having been said (written), it should be observed that the converse is also true. If or when society in the United States swings too far to the right, private educational institutions trying to provide a purely “secular” educational environment and which accept government/taxpayer funding would be/will be required to teach “traditional values” (code for theism and its associated assumptions).
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
If you are a private enterprise and you do want to teach only to your religion and to those that 100% agree with the you; don’t get public funds from the government that represents all religious groups including atheists. But this Supreme Court is going to probably take the side of the universities despite the universities clear choice of getting finding.
Tough bigots. You accepted public funds, deal with it.
@@liamsandal6360 no, they are bigots because they believe they should discriminate because of their religion. You may think they are justified but they are in fact bigots.
@@liamsandal6360 Perhaps Jewish Nazis fits better.
@@liamsandal6360 Yes, they are.
Everyone picks and chooses their morality.
Just ask ANY 'religious' person which of their god's rules are stupid.
They will likely not give assent to any of the rules being stupid, but YET -- they all act differently, and they'll try to say that things like slavery and genocide are (in fact) detestable (while god not only condones them, the OT god explicitly orders such (on pain of death)).
Any morality must be comprised of rules which are rationally defensible. If you say that "gay" is wrong because your 'religion' says so, then YOU are accepting that, you are promoting that and you are now RESPONSIBLE for that.
If there is ANY scriptural point of dogma with which the religious adherent is not totally in compliance with, then it's resolute proof that the scripture (ie., the religion) is not the source of their morality.
@@liamsandal6360It's the opposite of absolutism. It's about rational defensibility.
Religion is absolutism.
Ok, I'll grant you the challenge.. what is gods stupidest rule, from scripture?
DISGUSTING!