To Infinitas and beyond! Cass reports and the CBEW finally lock the stable door
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Summary
The conversation discusses the document Dignitas Infanata issued by the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF) in the Catholic Church, which addresses transgender theory. The hosts express frustration that it took the Church so long to address this issue and highlight the importance of good teaching on the topic. They also discuss the Cass review, which criticized the NHS for its approach to gender identity services for children and young people. The hosts express disappointment with the gentle and cautious tone of the Catholic Bishops of England and Wales' reflection on the issue. They also critique Pope Francis' pontificate and the way his words are used to support various ideologies. The conversation touches on the theological implications of the document and the need for true leadership in the Church. The conversation explores the lack of clarity and strong guidance from the Catholic Church on issues such as gender ideology and transgenderism. The hosts discuss the need for the Church to speak out clearly and firmly, especially in Catholic schools, to protect young people from harmful ideologies. They highlight the importance of upholding the truth revealed through scripture and tradition and the need for bishops to show courage and leadership. The conversation also touches on the confusion and division caused by Pope Francis' papacy and the challenges that the next pope will face in clearing up the confusion and bringing the Church together.
Keywords
transgender theory, Dignitas Infanata, CAS review, Catholic Bishops of England and Wales, Pope Francis, leadership, Catholic Church, clarity, guidance, gender ideology, transgenderism, truth, scripture, tradition, bishops, courage, leadership, Pope Francis, confusion, division
Takeaways
The Dignitas Infanata document addresses transgender theory and condemns it, providing much-needed guidance for the Church.
The CAS review criticized the NHS for its approach to gender identity services for children and young people, highlighting the need for improvement.
The Catholic Bishops of England and Wales' reflection on the issue is seen as too gentle and cautious, lacking a forthright opposition to gender-affirming surgery.
There is frustration with the slow response of the Church to address the issue of transgender theory and the lack of strong leadership on the topic.
The conversation raises concerns about Pope Francis' pontificate and the way his words are used to support various ideologies. The Catholic Church needs to provide clear and strong guidance on issues such as gender ideology and transgenderism, especially in Catholic schools.
Bishops should show courage and leadership in upholding the truth revealed through scripture and tradition.
The confusion and division caused by Pope Francis' papacy highlight the need for the next pope to bring clarity and unity to the Church.
The Church must protect young people from harmful ideologies and support them in understanding and embracing their God-given identity.
The conversation emphasizes the importance of speaking the truth with love and compassion, while not compromising on the teachings of the Church.
Titles
The Catholic Bishops' Reflection: A Gentle Approach
The Need for Strong Leadership on Transgender Issues The Challenges of Pope Francis' Papacy
Bringing Clarity and Unity to the Church
Sound Bites
"We're desperate for good teaching."
"It's a no brainer. This is a really obvious one from the outset."
"It's somewhere between sub-Christian and anti-Christian."
"We're all broken and in need of God."
"The kids who are being transitioned... there isn't any way back."
"Catholic schools have been badly, badly let down."
Chapters
00:00
Introduction and Technical Difficulties
07:15
The Catholic Bishops' Reflection
31:32
Bishops: Courage and Leadership
44:09
Protecting Young People from Harmful Ideologies
Pope Benedict was indeed holy, highly intelligent, enormously courageous and truly compassionate because he was sensitive and quietly aware.
As please as I was with Pope Benedicts Moto Proprio on 7/07/2007 (love that perfect number), you have to look at the entire body of his role in the church, especially beginning with Vatican 2. He has come along way, but he was not a traditionalist. I especially was not pleased with how the 3rd secret of Fatima was conveyed (some 40 years too late mind you). Please don't take this as a criticism of your comment, but rather to look at the entire life of the man. As they say, don't let the perfect be an obstacle of the good, so I do understand that about Pope Benedict.
Please pray for a friend of mine named Leslie who lives in Leeds the UK. He is feeling so hopeless and his family is unhappy with him. He tried to off himself. Please pray that he gets to a church and gets surrounded by good Christians to lift him up
I had confidence in Benedict because he was orthodox.
"The devil will infiltrate the Church at the highest level" is associated with the Marian apparitions that occurred in the village of San Sebastián de Garabandal, Spain, between 1961 and 1965
amen, big Garabandal fan here...
In that article by Damian Thompson, he writes, "It’s a fair bet that, in their pre-conclave conversations, most cardinals will agree that the next pope must be someone capable of supervising an emergency repair job that clarifies doctrine, the scope of ecclesiastical authority and puts an end to the jihad against traditionalist Catholics, many of whom are a generation or two younger than the jargon-spouting Boomers harassing them." Let's hope he is right. Above all, clarification of doctrine, meaning going back to traditional Catholic teaching and affirning it strongly.
I love Damian Thompson and his articles .
Utter fantasy. Most of the cardinals were appointed by Francis. Only God's punishment can put an end to this.
Catholic Faith Forever and Ever !👍💪🙏⛪
Soooo happy to see the three of you back together again. Your insightful commentary is encouraging and very helpful to me in clarifying my own understanding of these tumultuous times. 🙏
The way some Pharisees and scribes treated Jesus is similar to the way the secular and some religious media treated Pope Benedict. Jesus said that His disciples would be treated the same way that He was treated, namely people resorting to lies to try and kill the truth.
Some of the older bishop's, close to retirement, could have made a stand on this issue.
A few at a time, in three or four groups would have made an impact with Catholic, maybe even Christian families.
Think it was from the messages at Fatima that Our Lady said (speaking about bad doctrines being introduced) "Those who should speak will fall silent."
The contrast between Benedict and Francis is staggering.
Like between true and false.
Remember that Benedict showed himself to be no good shepherd, but a hireling, abandoning the sheep to the wolves, failing to install truly Catholic bishops, and sowing confusion about his own canonical status and that of Francis. Not. A. Good. Pope.
It is futile to condemn transgenderism without condemning its parent: feminism
Yes. And also contraception.
We did need to reform society in some ways regarding its relation to women, in both theory and practice, but as a **movement**, feminism was actually based in the occult - see excellent National Catholic Register author Carrie Gress in her articles & books. It's shocking. Also see the latest book from Jennifer Roback Morse called Sexual State, about the push from the luciferian elites for contaception and sexual revolution.
God bless you and your loved ones.
Do you condemn all aspects of feminism? I don’t. That said I would define feminism so we’re all on the same page. I’m not taking issue with your statement other than it’s a touch broad.
@@andrewvavuris8789 I condemn feminism in its entirety. There is no "good" version or aspects. I define feminism as "one huge inferiority complex"
The usurper is liked by those who wish that the "deplorables" are all destroyed.
Cowardice is Cowardice; irrespective of when the Bishops eventually stand up to be counted, just like before Covid, they looked after their own interests and remain in their indefensible position.
I agree
A hostage to fortune is a denial of Faith, I deem.
@@luciadegroseille-noire8073 Aye, Right!
Absolutely spot on. Cowards!
Every human being is finite therefore no human being apart from Jesus and Mary through her relationship with Jesus has infinite dignity. Our dignity is in proportion to our relationship with God. Satan is undignified.
It seems England helped save Europe a long time ago and we are being given hope that a few from that isolated Island will help save the USA Today…
I just rewatched
Nepherious. Anything come to mind. Pray, pray, pray.
Excellent commentary God bless you all🙏
👍💖🙏
Critical theory isn't about following what is right, it's about attacking what is right and good. That's what must be remembered about the enemy the devil.
Very interesting discussion. It may be that also the Church may need to be subjected to a 'burning to the ground' for it to then rise from the ashes like a phoenix - something akin to the second coming of Christ but not so much as a in a single human person but in many people that are even now awakening.
Speaking of Schadenfreude and a new Pope, the following papal conversations were recorded shortly after the election of the new Pope.
“Good morning, Tucho. I have an important new job for you. I am making you Abbot of a Trappist monastery.”
“Good afternoon, Arthur. I have a new job for you. I am making you Papal Nuncio to Uzbeckistan. I think that job eminently suits your talents.”
In part is it that Children are still the humans without a voice or valued enough to have their issues brought forward first before our own issues as adults?
The Catholic bishops’ (of GB) failure to act is wretched. Any faithful parent knows the Bishops are phony. It’s obvious. They deliberately chose to look the other way (hide) as this butchery took place amidst their silence.
Amen! Thank you! God bless from America!
Thank you once again.
Another comment came to my mind.
The complication of media and children being given Phones. Even with parental controls the children are very advanced in their skill of getting around to finding what they are being protected from in spite of those controls.
They become overstimulated, indoctrinated made to believe they are not enough just the way they are.
Then they are so vulnerable and inexperienced. I’m sorry where ARE the parents. The children are not even being protected in the schools because the education system does not want the responsibility. Then, on this issue somehow a very aggressive and intently orderly group approaches educators helping to facilitated the gender reassignment program as a necessity to augment grave changes to developing children in puberty and clearly excludes the parents authority of their own children.
Whereupon the sterilization and mutilation of vulnerable children is done with dire consequence’s that are irreversible.
Has anything more heinous happened to children?
Well, yes abortion! That’s an issue for another time. I only mention it here because it concerns children.
And what’s more important than children’s well-being, health,protection and education?
Apparently, every thing else matters more.
It takes decades to even bring up their horrifying issues and the damage is done. Acting in a more timely manner would have saved lives, but too many are in need of trauma therapy, if possible., innocence lost that can never be regained, disfigurement, mutilation and sterilized.
How was this so easily perpetrated?
And the phones are used for accessing pornography early, leading to misogynistic attitudes to women, culminating in deaths from domestic violence.
Accessing persons on the internet pushing gender dysphoria is also just as bad. The human brain we're told doesn't stop evolving until the age of 25, yet under age, they're being offered operations that effectively mutilate their bodies, eased by psychiatry and counselling services, which is inhabited by persons who are equally sexually dysfunctional and who were responsible for recognition of the alphabet groups as "normal". It's well known about the psychiatrists themselves who pushed these issues on the basis of science, when it was purely on the basis of their sexual preferences. The certain group of psychiatrists who were responsible for the removal of the previous classifications from the DSM manuals, were themselves supportive and active homosexuals. It comes down to a minority pushing their agenda on everyone else.
Parents do not have a chance with woke, leftist teachers bringing in these issues to a school's curriculum, and even in libraries, with the physically ugly transvestite men dressed in frocks reading sweet stories to young children, trying to normalise the oddity of it all. When I was growing up, there were notorious murders committed in Adelaide by a loose group of homosexual males that would lure young street children to their lingering and sadistic deaths using transvestite males. There were also two notorious cases, still unsolved, of child abduction, where it was rumoured that the perpetrator also was a male dressed as a female. It was, and still is the stuff of nightmares and is abnormal.
It is shameful that our progressive Pope is pushing this agenda on our Churches, with the fiducia supplicans document and the resultant blessings of these males in marriage and unholy unions and even the repulsive and highly disturbing and sacrilegious and blasphemous funeral in the New York cathedral. Honestly, he's should step down as Pope. The sooner the better, because the Catholic Church is being riddled with moral rot, and the lack of action over homosexual priests that one hears about having homosexual orgies with drugged young male prostitues, and the lack of action over paedophiles is just appalling. His inaction is beyond words. I truly hope that when he dies, all his progressive immoral rubbish is swept away, along with all memories of him as well. The Pope we didn't really need to have. Consign him as a footnote to the history books on the papacy.
How much longer, Lord Jesus? Your sheep are being slaughtered spiritually & physically while the shepherds lead the carnage.
Good one . And on the news this morning they were talking about a man who is identifying as a woman …..debating which hospital ward he should be admitted onto if needing medical care ….
However I do wonder if we are misunderstanding Pope Francis ? He may well be lighting fires then putting them out etc ….but when I read next Sundays reading from Acts re Peter and Cornelius. They are surprised that Gods Kingdom includes all,peoples, the good, the bad and the ugly ! I believe the Pope is continually emphasising that Gods Love embraces all , trans , gays everyone, modern lepers .
Even White people who don't want their lands overrun with hordes of Third World savages?
popefrancis and Trucho fernandez = Confusion !
Meanwhile, the bishops have omitted to state the even more obvious fact that transgenderism is gravely dangerous not just to the body, but more importantly to the soul. It's unbelievably tragic that they have to tag along after the Cass Report has (at last!) spelled out the horror being inflicted on these poor deluded young people. However, the far graver, far more important issue is eternal salvation. Obviously hell seems to be just an optional extra in these 'enlightened' times, but it's the no. 1 job of our bishops (and the Pope) to warn of grievous spiritual dangers. Transgender ideology leads to hell; it's a direct insult to God the Father. The failure of the bishops to point out this basic truth is beyond shocking.
Gavin, how funny that story of Diane Montagna - I mean, 'Tucho's answer is funny (Freudian slip?), ie that it's Pope Francis' idea that 'when he gets there' (where?) 'that hell may well be empty'. Hmmm. When Francis gets where? Hell?? Let's pray for his speedy conversion and journey to Heaven.
Unless things change another Cadaver synod will be in order.
Cardinal Pierbattista Pizzaballa, is the next pope please.....NPP -t shirt.
However, like Francis is without KEYS, 2 Restrain!
Gav, u think like the clergy, that things will be better after Francis, ..that assumption is incorrect.
With the restrainer removed things can only go 1 way.......
I enjoy your discussions. I have to say that I don't believe that Pope Francis has any evil intentions, he seems to me to be of a weal character who wants to be evertybody's friend, which never leads to good leadership but only confusion.
He epitomizes the Boomer myopia.
I wonder what Dr Ashenden makes of Larry Chapp's recent remarks in The Catholic Thing:
"The fact that Dignitas Infinita grounds its title in a statement from St John Paul II gives us a strong indication that it is in the sense of 'unending or unbounded' that this recent DDF Declaration is using the term 'infinite'. Therefore, the various condemnations from numerous sources of the document for its use of the term 'infinite' seem to be hyperbolic and uncharitable."
Even though this papacy is disastrous in so many ways and Damian Thompson's article says it all, the remark that the Pope has "gone with Rousseau" strikes me as both hyperbolic and uncharitable.
Bishops conference question is huge. Connects with synodality question. Is the consensus paralysis a deliberate tool in order to promote modernist/heterodox/heretical ideas and confusion?
It is a tool that can easily be turned against its wielder.
Gavin, respectfully, you overstated your case agaist the statement that hell may be empty.
The reason hell may be empty is BECAUSE of Christ's death and resurrection! There would be no other reason for it!
Please edit. It's not "infanata," but "infinita," as in "infinite." Spelling counts. Overall a good job, but for Pete's sake.
I realized that I am an unofficial sedevacantist. John Paul made a lot of serious mistakes. but I always felt that he was my pope . Even more so, Benedict was always my pope. I cannot honestly say that I feel that about Francis. And, according to this non_literal sedevacantistism I believe there are many many more who feel the same way.
Regarding private interpretations of magisterial documents, I understood that the pope and the magisterium could not err even in non-infallible ordinary magisterium. To read the documents carefully with charity and through the lens of unerring tradition, at most I could wish they were less ambiguous. Regarding too little, too late on Rome’s teaching on transgenderism, Francis’ has spoken often over the years against it, calling it at one point, “the ugly ideology,” and in fact, there are articles in the queer community strongly criticizing the pope on his statements regarding their lifestyle choices. That said, I would like to see a non-Jesuitical approach in the next papacy!
Of course the buzzword “lifestyle choices “ 🙄
How on earth can the pope and magisterium "not err" in these documents when they explicitly overturn and contradict documents brought out by previous popes?
Hyperpapalism is a heresy. The papal office is sacred and precious - individual popes not necessarily so, especially when they attempt to redefine the Faith rather than promote its abiding truth.
Did you see the worship of Pacha Mama? Do you see the worship of ancestors, blowing in the wind?
I can’t believe that it has taken you this long to find fault with our Pope Francis. The double speak from the Pope are lies! Simple as that!
@@josephmaxwell5033 Maybe this video will convince you otherwise on the ‘pagan idolatry’: ruclips.net/user/livems2nnVEVizE?si=_yIGUYDHO4gUfXWb
@@aelbereth6690 I’m afraid the burden of proof lies with you on this one. How has this pope in his magisterial teachings strayed from tradition? Either the Church is indefectible or it isn’t. This is dogma!
Pope St Gregory the Great not Gregory VII ref “Servus servorum Dei”
its INFINITA, not Infanata
Peronist
Dear Friends, it seems there was once a now dissapeared deep assessment on Bergoglio's aptitudes to be a bishop requested by JP - II from the then, in the nineties, S.J. - general Hans Peter Kolvenbach that concluided very negatively concerning this appointment possibility arguing for a clear case of sociopathy on the part of this already then very unruly jesuit colegue. It has only now become to clear Kolvenbach had his finger on the soar spot and, truly great and most beloved JP-II tought wrongly, sadly, he had to kiss the Quran again. You don't do these unfortunate Goodwill gestures towards the Antichrist's instruments without later utmost damage to what You most love, the Church of Christ Jesus.
Infinita, not infanata. Get your act together!