CPM Scandal?!
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Well this story just keeps getting crazier. No worries, we're all going to get to the bottom of this, together as a community.
Are you a metallurgist or material science expert with a lab? If so, send us an email to info@surviveknives.com and let's start a conversation!
Put out a video saying you're not suicidal and be careful driving - 2 ways they get you.
If this has implications for the military industrial complex it's big money for them. Get news media involved. Watch your back at all times.
That thought crossed my mind last evening. So I guess just to say it publicly, I am not depressed, I'm not suicidal, I'm not going on any long trips where I will be out of communication for an extended period of time. 😂
@@Surviveknives@w4shep speaks wise words. ”Where litigation fails, wetwork prevails”.
A comment on RUclips is easy to delete - to cover your bases, I’d recommend stating this out there publicly, on a video, that people like me all around the globe can then save offline. ✊🏻
yesssssssssss@@Surviveknives
Starting to look forward to these every morning 🍿
If I'm being honest, I woke up pretty excited to make this video this morning. 😂
I am not looking forward to these videos anymore, as I have said many times I paid in full for gso 4 back in December 2022. If I would at least receive an email telling me what month I could be receiving it, it would be a big help. Instead all see and here is it will be shipping out in the next few weeks. Few weeks has been almost a year @@Surviveknives
We have everything here, wrapping up. Just shoot me an order number. I hope you can see how these issues have been affecting our schedule though, right?
Our blade counts keep changing, which means we need to keep ordering new materials to get orders fulfilled. That affects our schedule quite a bit and makes the shop unpredictable.
Material strain in the materials is causing excessive warpage in parts, something many other folks are observing, which means a lot of unnecessary time is being spent flatten these Magnacut parts.
It's that or send out blades that look like leaf springs, just for the sake of quicker progress. I'm not into that.
For what it's worth and thanks to you piquing my interest, I'm rereading Knife Engineering by Dr Larrin Thomas, copyright 2020. In chapter 2 titled "The Structure of Steel" , page 21, there is a paragraph on inclusions and one sentence stands out to me that states: "Special steelmaking practices can help reduce oxygen and sulfur content to minimize these inclusions but are never eliminated." Unless Dr Thomas figured out a way to eliminate inclusions when he developed Magnacut in 2021, this is a red flag in their mission to besmirch Survive's methods and practices.
Damn, that's a solid find.
How many open unfilled orders do you have, and how far back do they go? Asking for a friend. There might be a problem with CPM, I would bet this guy has his own set of problems. Searching the internet can help you learn things. I know a shit pot bunch of knife makers who are not reporting this, nor do they have trouble fulfilling orders from years back either.
I did not set out to become a manufacturing company, I did everything to avoid trying to become a manufacturing company. I don't really want to be running a manufacturing company now, it just needed done.
My oldest backlog was inherited from Millit Knives, projects we paid to have made, but they weren't able to follow through.
We had to work up to these larger knives, to learn how to make them appropriately as our own new manufacturing company. We are there now and getting those done.
These things would've already been done, we would've already been caught up, if our entire production had not been wiped out by decarburizing, in one nice big batch.
It's really hard for a small business to absorb the loss of 800+ almost complete parts. We had months of work in those. That isn't something you just walk off.
We had nothing to do with what happened, we didn't even ask for the service that caused it. That being said, we are working through it, we are getting orders delivered, we are pressing forward.
The Bark River CPM Magnacut knife tested by DBK channel broke easily after light use and it looked like there was a void in the metal. This is exactly what the issue is!
EXACTLY! Mike Stewart did not deserve all that bad press.
you already won Guy it is now up to you to get THE news papers and other knife illustrated and steel magazines know about defective material all up to you take care and stay strong
Keep spreading the message. It will take some time to get all of these samples collected as we continue to work and studies done through various outlets, but we will get to the bottom of this.
Why is it that comments asking for responses about open orders are not getting posted?? Not cool, Guy.
They are totally being posted, I just want to look up order numbers so that I respond thoughtfully.
Also, these things are run in batches, it takes a lot of time to answer 100 individual comments about the same knife model that is at the same place in production.
We are a small team of five people, I'm trying to focus on getting work done, while doing what I can to provide comprehensive video updates about everything.
Also, with some of these quality concerns, things we don't know about until blades are almost finished, unanticipated loss or factory seconds affect our scheduling and final blade counts. It can make things unpredictable on our end.
It's hard to run an efficient, well oiled business, when the materials sometimes feel like they are sabotaging your progress.
What about order 17995. I keep getting vague replies but no actual ship date
Hey Man, we are working on getting those through finish grinding, finishing and assembly.
Some of these issues affect our scheduling, and also affects our blade counts. That are affects our ability to serve you, as we need to re-order fresh materials to continue making more blades.
We are working on it and I will keep you guys updated with frequent video and photo posts along the way.
I always want things to go smoothly, but sometimes I just need to deal with the situation as it comes. That is not always predictable.
They sound so shady. Keeping anyone's property without permission is theft. It didn't sound like you agreed to gift those samples to them. Looking forward to the "check tearing heard round the world video.
so well said all the best to you and GUY and his team especially Jasper and Olive
Well, with these findings my end of this is now complete. I will continue to collect samples but it's in the hands of the real science guys from here. Under The Microscope: CPM Magnacut
ruclips.net/video/fiwC0wixTEQ/видео.html
You can also threaten to pursue criminal charges against that supplier because those samples are your property and if they keep your samples, then it is Theft. If the value of those samples is $900 as they said, then it would be Theft II, where I am from. If the value is $1000 or more, then it would be Theft I, which is a felony where I am from. Perhaps that threat of criminal charges will get them worried enough to return your property.
If the company is in another state, you may have to get the FBI involved; and threaten them with that.
I guess looking at it that way, the sale value of those is quite a bit over $2000. Thanks for that, I knew it was the right decision to just be open about these things. We're all better together, sharing information and ideas.
Is that a problem with CPM or NSM?
That is exactly what I am trying to understand. The metallurgical analysis will give us a lot better idea of what exactly is going on. I sincerely believe there is a valid reason they want me to sign a nondisclosure agreement.
universities also do steel testing
Send us some details!
I wonder if Bohller wouldnt like ro check out a sample...
No comment.... 😅
I hope, this works out!
Wish you the best possible outcome.
Imagine, they use this steel in the industry 😧
As long as we get answers, that will be a fantastic outcome in my book. 🤓
Haha, your great character goes a long way. I support you fine folks.
Thanks for stopping by and for the support!
Bummer to hear about you getting dicked around- hope you're able to stay the distance and get an outcome that is commensurate with the trouble you've been put through
On another note, are you able to shed some light on order # 17016...??
Best of luck from Down Under
Honestly, this journey toward becoming a manufacturing company has molded me into exactly what this situation needs. I am unbothered by anything anymore.
To your other question Sasha, those GSO-4.7s are working through finish grinding, bevel grinding and assembly in batches. Hopefully it goes pretty well, but if we see anything anomalous, we will be sure to show you guys in video what's happening.
Things like these material concerns affect our business trajectory, and our counts of blades in production, with makes scheduling less predictable. If there is a hold up where we need to order more materials, I want you to know exactly why. Thank you so much for your patience and support while we work through this. Please know that I've got your back, always.
Like most people I was initially super excited about Magnacut but alot of the real world testing videos I saw didn’t support the claims that were made for this material
It’s sad that they are not willing to work with you for product improvement
Yeah, I can see a lot of mixed results out in the world. I'm really starting to understand why.
Hey guys, still haven't heard from you regarding order number 19398. Would appreciate any reaction
Hey there! That GSO-4.5 Limited Edition looks like it shipped out to Germany with DHL, October 25th, 2023. I have a tracking number but it doesn't show up in their system anymore. I will look into this.
@@Surviveknives thanks, appreciate it, last time someone have looked at it the system status was "shipped", but the parcel was not picked up and the last update from the carrier is also in the email chain as a screenshot. I would like to get the money back
Thanks for Speaking up Guy. Watch your back. I hope you don’t get the Clinton solution
That would be amazing if it went that far. We all go one day, I'm unafraid and completely unbothered by anything like that. 👍
Keep up the good fight Guy! I certainly hope that you can get assistance, especially if the issue with CPM and MagnaCut goes beyond knife steels!
If this is what I think it is, based on my observations and from what other experts in these industries have shared with me regarding these processes, this goes way beyond knife steels.
There are a lot of very intelligent people out there with the means to chase this down. It might take some time, but we will get to the bottom of this.
@@Surviveknives
I would be willing to bet that CPM MagnaCut is used by DoD and NASA. If so this is definitely a bigger issue, beyond knife steels.
I've seen how Crucible makes Magnacut.. or all their steels for that matter. How anyone thought they're high quality is beyond me..
I still wish to remain hopeful honesty will trump treachery, that we still live in a society in which victims will overcome their bullies. It is sickening that there is nothing just in Justice, but only Justice served when the money follows. You are doing the right thing and I pray from the bottom of my heart that it will pay off and that you will win this fight. The fact other essential industries such as the military can be impacted is horrendous as we need our forces to have all the right tools at their disposal for the new age we are unfortunately living in.
Godspeed, Sir !
When money is the only motivator, everything else is simply an obstacle toward that goal. It is a road filled with compromise and ruin.
Offering 15k is a admission of guilt.
They took a really crazy position for sure. They denied our warranty claims, basing their judgment on reports they claim to have but won't show us now they won't return our samples for independent verification of whatever their findings are.
Now I got an email saying they are doing brand new reports, for whatever reason, which just sounds like they never actually had reports to begin with. This will all come out eventually, once we get some real reports completed.
"LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!"🔔🥊
Heck Yeah! They misjudged me, I'm a true believer.
Not totally relevant to the topic, but I have a Pikal on order in 3V. Personally I think it’s one of the better looking functional Pikals I’ve seen, and I can’t wait to see a video on a finished one
We are pretty swamped right now, but I will get on that as soon as possible. I am also very interested in that knife. It's extremely purpose driven, but it is very comfortable.
This issue should be known to a wider audience. We support you from Japan.
#solidarity
Cpm steels are used in aerospace applications?
I genuinely didn't know that. I thouggt it was just knives.
Well that's disturbing. That could be a truly massive problem.
Knife steels are just a small segment of what they do.
It’s kinda crazy with all the steel types coming from cpm that the magnacut is the only one we are seeing problems from ?
Or is it I wonder if there has been these types of issues with other products from cpm ? I don’t suppose any other makers would chime in with issues they may have experienced?
I wish you luck it’s hard enough keeping a business alive when everything is going right
I suppose you can take solace in the fact that you’re fantastic knives will keep your business alive they are highly sought after
Most of the CPM grades have been made for a very, very long time. You can see in some of my other videos that I have run into inconsistencies with 20 CV, which is why we stopped using it a few years ago.
Magnacut is a novel grade, with some different chemistry than I believe they are used to working with. New things always bring challenges, and I don't personally believe that this Crucible is quite the same as the Crucible of old.
It's run by an investment group now, I imagine decisions are more or less being driven by capital generation.
How to file a complaint with the bbb .
I’m wondering if they’re cutting the recipe for the steel because the US dollar shit just like we see in the grocery stores
I wish I knew what was really going on up there.
Dude, I'm a Lawyer (not in your jurisdiction, so the usual caveat applies to get your own legal advice). If your suppliers have provided subpar or defective materials, you almost definitely have a legal claim for Breach of Contract. Get some tests done (Expert evidence) to back up your claim, and then negotiate with the supplier for a settlement. If you're not happy with the settlement, pursue them in Court.
I get what you're doing here but be careful about burning bridges.
Under The Microscope: CPM Magnacut
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Glad the algorithm fed this to me. I have subscribed and await your upcoming testing.
Thanks for stopping by!
This is the number 1 problem with the big steel manufacturers. They have all this marketing on super steels. Yet everything is blamed on the smith or heat treatment its never the manufacturer.
Like rolling and annealing all the steels the same, then publishing data on annealing that contradicts what they're actually doing at the mill. Retained material stress from rolling at the mill that isn't addressed prior to hardening causes all kinds of fun warping.
A few concerning things; how come you're the only knife maker voicing these concerns? Too many 3V is the toughest knife steel made. You said no more CPM 3V or CPM steel in another video? Maybe you should consider halting new sales until you catch up on existing orders?
Other folks are reaching out and talking about things, but for most people, there is a huge financial component to this. Going public with these things bites the hand that feeds you.
We are already having to fistfight our way out of some of these situations, so I just don't really care. We are already transitioning to other materials.
I have made a few videos recently, explaining why some companies won't see these types of things. ruclips.net/video/c_5-tksFV3s/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Now Magnacut warping aggressively, you can find that all over the internet.ruclips.net/video/qmm89WgYNQo/видео.htmlfeature=shared
OK, now this is the right stuff! But please do not go to the dark side on this, as the nerds still need knives... My suggestion, have all of this be 100% independently done OUTSIDE of current production. I know that this is an ask but ask as I will... THE NERDS NEED THEIR KNIVES!!! & YOU NEED TO DO WHAT YOU LOVE!!!! You do not love this shit so see it for what it is and use your creative energy to create! THIS IS NOT YOUR NERD!!! GO BACK TO WHAT FEEDS YOU!!!
I'm all done, unless someone decides to make this right. As of today, most all relevant info regarding this matter is out there.
Making a longer video outlining everything is just a waste of precious time. I truly believe there is something they don't want to talk about, so I don't believe I will get my samples back or even a solid report from them.
We will have new samples going out to independent labs, and I will share the results once they are interpreted by several metallurgists. It's just about getting to the truth.
I don't need to be involved in that as I don't have the lab or the background. This is up to the lab people and the folks with the degrees, I'll just share what they find. ruclips.net/video/FCGjILd2frg/видео.htmlfeature=shared
I remember seeing a small tub of moon dust at an engineering college. I think that was powder metals.
So foreign bodies are going into the powder as a cause of imperfection.
I'm glad that you are onto them about it. Especially if they're making rockets out of that and stuff. Maybe the Appolo fail was because of that sort of thing?
Guy you got this. You too Ellie... Let's go:)
Hey Craig, I hope you're having a great day. Yes, I believe these are impurities in the powder, something that should not be possible. I understand that shit happens in manufacturing, but in that case, they just should've made it right rather than trying to obfuscate.
Who decided on the 900 dollar price for samples you sent ?
It’s your property.. you can can charge what you want them .. they either pay or send it back .
They were originally trying to purchase blanks back at $100 apiece. They ended up trying to apply that value to my sample parts that were sent in for evaluation.
I have now sent four separate emails to their attorney, expressing that they are not for sale, that I want my property back.
I also really want these mystery reports they are using to deny our warranty claim, so we can have an independent third-party evaluation to reconfirm their findings.
Great job Guy...we are all behind you in spirit...keep going
Thank you! That means the world to me, I hope you guys realize that. I'm a true believer in this.
Magna Fraud
You guys are giving me so many great T-shirt ideas. This comment section is winning the Internet today.
THIS S NOT YOUR NERD!!! DONT LOOSE FOCUS, YOU ARE A GREAT KNIFE MAKER, WITH PASSION!!! THE BULLSHIT WILL TAKE ALL OF THAT AWAY!!! GO BACK TO KNIVES!!!
My end of this is wrapped up with these findings. I'll continue to collect samples but it's in the hands of the real science guys from here: Under The Microscope: CPM Magnacut
ruclips.net/video/fiwC0wixTEQ/видео.html
Don't speak with them anymore and don't engage. File suit. Coming from a qa/qc stand point you are doing the right thing with asking for testing but don't keep making videos that they can attempt to counter. Doing this as a community doesn't help make you whole from the loss. If you keep all this to yourself and your Attorney they won't be able to counter you in court.
They've made their position clear at this point. I'm just going to talk about what we're seeing the in the shop and what's going on with the parts from here on out. Thanks for the heads up man.
#SurviveBackLogCrew checking in, Keep up the good fight! This can’t be easy for any small business to fight.
We will keep fighting the good fight man! I'm working on getting your order to you as soon as possible, please know that.
I can’t see my previous comment so I don’t know if something when wrong on my end, but I just wanted to check and make sure you guys got my voicemail about order change for #18272. Thank you for offering the option to change steels.
I took a screenshot of this for Tyler. Thanks for reaching out, keeping up with all of this as a small team is quite the feat. 😅
I would find an attorney who KNOWS you will win in court and let him handle this so you can focus on building great knives! It will be a load off you!
If I choose the path of litigation, I can be put under an order, where I can't talk about any of this stuff publicly until it's resolved. I'm doing this my way now, screw the lost money and time. We can work through this. We are all going to learn something from this and get to the bottom of whatever is really going on here.
Guy, I hope you understand these labs are not going to analyze and test your knives pro bono; you've indicated resources are limited for you. Full disclaimer: I am not an expert in this field. I am just rendering my opinion.
I don't think the issue is with CPM. I think NSM has a defect in their process that is causing the inclusion problem. In the rush to push Magnacut out, they might have cut some corners (NPI) or are processing this steel like they do other steels and are not realizing Magnacut needs a different approach.
Other than Chris Reeve, I haven't seen other major manufacturers be as aggressive in rolling out Magnacut. I have an order for two Spyderco knives in Magnacut that are over a year old. If Spyderco is taking their time rolling this out, it tells me they may have found some things and are working with Crucible to get this fixed.
Something is rotten in Denmark.
Hey there! A few folks have actually reached out, offering to do testing for us. Former Crucible employees are even reaching out and sharing their thoughts.
Not everyone wants to go public and they wouldn't want to go to court over it to testify, but they are willing to help.
We can work through these issues and press on. It won't be easy but we're committed to this and doing a great job.
I'm not looking for compensation anymore. This is just about finding the truth now.
I'm totally willing to jump in front of this for everyone, simply to get to the bottom of this. Information is the enemy of ignorance.
Very interesting info . I’m a bit concerned and I have a question ; how is this affecting my GSO 4 knife . I believed I placed and order for one in CPVM3V
I will make a video on that shortly.
Hi Guy, are the EDC-4 knives on your website in stock and ready for shipping?
We have the components here, Ellie is building knives now. Those will ship within 15 days. They're still built to order in batches.
Hey Guy really appreciate the updates and hope everything gets resolved! I was wondering if you had any updates on order #19618? Really looking forward to using these knives, keep up the good work!
Hey there! We are working on the GSO-5.1s right now. These material issues keep affecting our blade counts and schedule but we'll keep getting materials until we get any current CPM orders closed out.
If there continue to be setbacks and quality concerns, you guys will see explicit video and photographic evidence of exactly what's happening.
Thank you so much for your patience and support as we get this situation resolved. 👊
We've followed the evidence. It's just not Cricket!
This has been going on for a while. These emails were from late 2022. ruclips.net/video/x2fWKNAKQJg/видео.htmlfeature=shared
POV: the shift manager at McDonald's is explaining why it's taken two years for you to get your Big Mac meal
I know we have outstanding orders but willful ignorance is not a good look and that is a simplistic, inaccurate analogy.
I'm more like the shift manager that understands there is cyanide in the cheeseburger you're about to eat.
This is a large issue and these materials are insanely expensive. There is an implied quality promise by using the CPM products. These are supposed to be the best of the best. This is the backbone of our company and our production.
I don't see how some folks aren't able to connect these dots? This affects our ability to serve you.
Keep up the good work!
You got it!
Of course it’s possible they may have/have had some QC issues, but there is nothing fundamentally flawed with CPM. It’s a well proven product. This video is weird.
That opinion doesn't necessarily align with the opinion of some former Crucible employees.
Also, I'm showing you physical examples of what I'm seeing. There are definitely holes in the steel.
You can check out other videos for greater context on this upload.
Keep it up buddy.
Roger that!
I believe you hit the nail on the head: they high-cost CPM steels that are marketed to be the best for high-performance applications. The kinds of industries that spend that kind of money tend to have very high standards (like you) codified in Federal Aviation Regulations, MIL-STDs, and similar. They do not play around. A LOT of money is spent ensuring critical applications meet these standards. As NTSB investigators are fond of saying, 'the standards we live by today were written in blood.' Voids in metal housings, hydraulic pumps, valves, engine parts and more have led to stress fractures which have led to failures that led to tragic loss of life. Suppliers who knowingly supply defective parts that lead to death do not typically fare well.
The good fight you fight may be a more noble fight that we originally thought!
Exactly, you get it. I have worked in different industries over the years and I'm surprised how few people understand the implications of what I'm showing.
They think "knives" and place very little value on the issue. It is a razor sharp implement you're holding in your hand and subjecting to a lot of different stresses. Explosive failure of a hand tool like that could be catastrophic for a user.
When I look at things like that, I think about what other industries these materials are used in, how widespread this issue could be. It's concerning.
We see so many terrible things happen in the world, simply because something small was overlooked or folks turned a blind eye for money. It's not right.
I have a buddy who works in the purchasing department at Boeing.... I showed him this whole video thread....... He found it extremely interesting and is hooked on your videos now
We have a lot of recent content related to voids in material. Most people don't understand the seriousness of this, but someone in your coworker's position will understand the potential implications.
Thanks for stopping by, I'm glad the right people are starting to find each other.
When 3V came out that was a hella impressive steel, then when Magnacut came out and they were claiming it was so much better, my BS detector started going off, and I thought it's all just hype to market the next best thing and upsell people a product that is in reality only, maybe, marginally better, all in the name of profit.
I still stand by statement that good old 440c, properly heat treated will be more than enough of a stainless steel performer for the large majority of knife users. But it's not the latest whiz bang thing, and companies can't charge $300 for it anymore.
Am I really that wrong?
I've always told people I would take a mediocre steel with an excellent heat treat, over a super steel with a bad heat treat.
I think the same thing can be applied to some mythical chemistry, that may or may not actually pan out for manufacturability.
Question. Why can’t another company use the science to make magnacut? Can u talk to Bohler about producing magnacut and 3v? It this a patent thing?
If I'm being honest, from what I have heard, they don't want it. Looking at patents, I believe they are trying to skin this cat from a different direction.
Don’t cash that check !!
No way!
I refuse to purchase another CPM product until they address this
I will keep you in the loop. Until then, I'll just focus on showing you guys what I am seeing with the actual product.
At this point, it seems like their position is clear. It feels like they investigated themselves and found that they did nothing wrong.
transparency is everything you guys have my respect
It has not been an easy road.
I’m guessing that the knife I’ve been waiting on that was in a CPM steel, may now be in whatever steel you deem appropriate at the time it eventually gets made?
We are continuing to fulfill open orders for CPM products, as they were placed. If we continue to fall short due to these concerns, we will order more materials to fulfill those orders. There will be lots of photos and videos along the way.
That being said, if you would prefer to switch your order to one of the knives in production in a Bohler or Uddeholm grade, I can totally make that happen as well.
Best of luck to you. I fully support small businesses. And as someone who has collected and played with knives since they were 8, I'm 45 now. When I opened that box and held it in my hands, it was like being a kid getting that first knife you begged your parents for.
Just dont shoot yourself in the foot with unfactual slander. What you are doing now is fine, but you're walking a fine line. However, this is why free press holds others accountable. If there are faults found in their steel in aerospace or defense it will shut them down until the issue is resolved. This is not ideal for any company. Keep it up but CYA. (Cover Your Ass!)
I know I'm dancing on a line. I'm trying to be as careful as I can, while managing my feelings about the situation. I have definitely needed to sleep on some things before making a post. With this subject though, I have the emails that they sent and the voicemail from their attorney.
This is wild.
Super wild.
Will be interesting if larren Thomas gets involved in this.
Since I believe he is financially benefiting from publicizing the magnacut material, I've given up on caring about his opinion.
He has a conflict of interest, and therefore I don't know if he can be open and objective. His doctorate aside, I would also like to know what his manufacturing experience is.
Magnacut.... the Swiss cheese of knife steels.
From where I'm standing, based on my observations, that checks out.
You need to lawyer up and take their asses to court
That costs a lot of money and they are a much larger company. I believe that is very much the game they want to play. At this point, for me, this is just about transparency and getting down to the bottom of what is actually happening. Lab tests are a lot less expensive than litigation.
Are there any issues with CPM-3V?
There have historically been some random voids and weirdness, but nothing like we're experiencing with Magnacut.
This little situation here though did piss me off the other day. This is 3V. ruclips.net/video/ksNReTD85T0/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Sounds like a lawsuit in the progress
I'm not pursuing anything with them. That's their arena, I'm going to stand out here and just talk about what I'm seeing and what others are seeing through scientific analysis.
@ShoahBiz
I hope you sue them for Millions for their shady corrupt behavior! Not to mention the horrible impact it has made on your business! Go for it! You’ll be able to have all the equipment you could ever need and give you the boost to really need to secure you business for years to come!
I honestly just want them to make the situation right. I'm willing to work, I just need the ability to do so and not have materials that sabotage our work and standards.
I hate the game of wait-and-see, where we have all of the work in these parts, just to find out they have holes in them.
If they can't guarantee that's not going to continue to happen, just get the materials off my floor. They won't even acknowledge the issue, in the face of physical, video, and photographic evidence. It's insane.
Now I need to go get independent testing, just to figure out what the heck is actually going on. If I need to deal with all of these blades, I want to know what's happening inside the parts.
If I'm going that far, I might as well take all of you guys along for the ride. We're all going to learn something.
Call Larin
He is on Crucible's side in this. I'm also not sure about his manufacturing background.
Now I'm worried about counting on my magnacut blade (RMJ Tactical)
Under The Microscope: CPM Magnacut
ruclips.net/video/fiwC0wixTEQ/видео.html