@@kdot4879 I'm sure he could be pro in T1... it's just that he doesn't want to... it's a lot of work, and he's making way more as a streamer with an easier life.
major MVP of the only NA major ever won in CS (a harder game mechanically and very similar fundamentally) while IGLing, tarik could easily go pro in this game
@@mat.quantum2671 he goes pro when he chooses to join a team and actually plays in scrims and gets acclimated to teamplay again he won't do it though bc streaming makes him more money and it's a better lifestyle for him
@@alecksjr sacy is actually really good 😭 I remember in zekken clip , zekken checked his account he was like match mvp every game when he was playing Brazil
@@caykahve5869 I mean all the players recruited had tons of professional experience. U can say that TenZ and Sacy are ranked demons but the rest not so much.
I think one thing people forget is boredom, ranked isnt worth enough that people will play slow just to win 1 round but in franchising sometimes they play so slow just waiting for someone to make a mistake and capitalize on it, in ranked theyll run it down 2 v5 and sometimes get lucky
I used to play CS a lot back when I was like 15 or something. I hit global once or twice eventually end up being in a local team, played a lot of LANs, or ESLs overall the rank experience in CS GO is much different to those playing LAN events or tournaments in general. It just feel different, not the comms, not the people not the pressure, just the game itself feels different when you go out there and play for your team and not for yourself, you don't want to rank up or save your rank there, you want to fight for what you have, you don't make big decisions as it may screw up the team play, you stick to your role. Maybe I was a kid or something but I never felt the pressure, both in lan or in ranked CS GO. Although, the game does feel different somehow
@@asdsad5059 ngl, pros are mostly pros because of how well they play with their set teammates, if someone left that team it could take a while to regain the team chemistry they once had, etc. it isnt cope when ranked in valorant is just a gamble most of the time. some people play better solo or duo (the people who are consistently top of the LBs, but cant play pro play) and some people play better with their team theyre comfortable with (the pros who cant reach the top of the LBs, but are insane with their team)
@@asdsad505999% of pros would literally take the top Radiant spots and never leave. These guys train strats, set plays and teamwork, scrim and in their off time whoop the people who dedicate themselves to the ranked grind. Imagine if they actually tryharded and went elo hungry lol. Literal slaughterfest.
@@artmanromSticking to your role is not losing your creativity. For example, Nats' role might be to lurk but while he's lurking he isn't working off some rigid preset routine, he's constantly feeling out the enemy team, gathering info and going off instincts to make high risk-high reward plays all off his own individual playstyle. The only "constraint" is that he lurks not how he lurks. The freedom in these roles is very high and pro players constantly stretch these limits. If anything, high level pro Valorant is much norepinephrine creative than the autopiloting slugfest that is the ranked experience. Even a large amount of the strats you pull in your games are inspired from a pro player or coach who made those strats in the first place.
I hope Riot can sponsor or own top teams from premiere. What stopping people from going pro is that not enough team that recruits. And what stopping from new team to be establish is money. Riot can do that for 1 or 2 teams.
That's so true, also, many teams doesn't recruit unpopular people even if their stats is on par with their current team. I saw a radiant player on a cheap computer cafe, he managed rose rank on radiant having 120 fps, cheapest low poi mice, keyboard and 60hz monitor, the guy was insane, shitting on radiant players who prolly have the best pc for valorant.
Teams do have a way to go pro. They have to qualify for challengers. Then qualify for ascension. Then if they win ascension they are pro and play in the pro leagues.
@@KricketGD I didn’t misread. But no one is investing in players that haven’t proven themselves. How do you prove yourself? Take your premier team and go play in challengers qualifiers which is free.
You don’t have to have a professional org with money to qualify for challengers. Look at turtle troops. If your team wins ascension. Riot literally does what op described
@@SixhawkSix dasnerth got signed as a player not as a content creator. In reality hes both but the reason he is signed is to play competetive matches not produce content
What i had seen is that playing in a Pro team or becoming a pro player has its own ups and downs. The benefit of playing Pro is that they have a much more patience than those who are just grinding rank. It also trains their mindset to become a IGL because of all the practice and hardwork. Its always put into how they gonna approach the situation TOGETHER. Many players just plays in their own mind and isolates themselves to the play. (Although i'm not a pro player nor i'm a rank demon. I'm just an ASC 1 player telling some facts to those who played the game but not fully understand it.)
thats probably why he also had the best explanation out of the 3, because he understood the problems he had in csgo. He mentions how most of them are a 'one trick pony' and that it works in pugs because of lack of structure or use of proper utility, and he couldn't be more right. I do the same in FACEIT on CSGO, i always play whats more favorable to me, i got many shenanigan tricks that work wonders half the time and if i am VS a team that has better utility/structure it can sometimes backfire to 0% of my dumb strats working etc. As was mentioned in the video, them boring structure strats are proven statistically to win most of the time vs lucko one time tricks you do on pugs. I also follow a lot of these demons personally and its always funny to see them in PUGS doing so well. And the moment they sign up for LANS/tournaments to give it a go, they get shit on. Most recent one is the curent open qualifiers for the PGL in csgo. So funny to see all these top pug players attempting a team and losing so badly to actual teams XD.
I’ve always dreamed of having a pro team centre their entire team and play style on a Yoru main like Eggster. Maybe we’ll only ever see it with agents like Jett or prime chamber but I’ll still never lose hope lol
I don't know who Eggster is, but the issue with Yoru is how predictable he becomes. Sure in ranked he works well enough for a few player to main him, but that's exactly why they are so good, because their are few of them. Just watch how Fnatic beat PRX on Bind last year to realise that. Boaster knew every single play that Forsaken was trying to pull of.
the problem with that is that is how much the meta changes per map. its impossible to play a certain team comp on some maps, because of how unfit that agent is to compete on that map. for example, omen can be really good on some maps, but lack behind really badly on others, so someone who is an omen main whos trying to go pro is not gonna be able to compete on some maps as well as for example someone who might be worse on omen, but can play all the other controllers really really well.
I think it's also because not everyone wants or can spend the time grinding 'proper' Valorant against structured teams. Making a living going pro in any game is really difficult, so for a lot of those ranked demons their job or other responsibilities gets in the way.
it basically takes over your entire life, new job playing a game you're good at. i doubt most ranked demons want to do that anyway, they just want to sit at home play valorant with themselves or friends, not go crazy on stages and have the pressure of a thousand fans behind you
This is why I don’t worry about my kills all the time in ranked, I keep my options open to support my team and set them up for success, not get all the kills. The goal in winning is to plant the spike and let it blow to win, or the opposite, to defuse. Not get all the kills. But in standard ranked, people lose many rounds trying to find the last players and egoing to get kills, leaving one player to defend site over holding it strategically to win the round.
You are a small minority with a brain - 95% of monkeys playing can’t comprehend this concept. Frags/score determine skill to these apes and are more important than actually playing as a team with the main team objective of winning the round
I know youre talking about val but I started doing the same in cs. They changed the scoreboard so it doesn't show the person with the most kills at the top anymore. It's who has the most damage which helps really shows your impact, but also shows who's baiting
i love that zekken pointed out how it isnt hard to reach a pro lvl with aiming in valorant. its simply an easy aim game, much easier than any fps ive ever played. too many people think they're just gonna go grind dms and thn out aim everyone but there will be mid ascendant trashcans who have insane aim and thn people in my immortal 3/ radiant lobbies with the same aim that i had as a diamond.
I think you're looking at that wrong. They might have the same aim as you did in diamond, but that probably means that's what most responsible for your rank for you, aim. For them, they're the same rank as you, but if their aim is bad, then they have really good positioning, or util usage. They're your same level of skill, just for a different reason.
try comparing tier 1 teams to tier 3 teams (close to ranked demons) there is a big difference in decision making, teamwork, and strategy. however, aim-wise are just close
i hope players from challengers/even ppl from premier or sum arent like gatekeeped in the community bc they came from lower tier val, with the new system it should make getting into pro play easier to get ur name out there but teams better be willing to take time to develop ppl
Another big difference is that comp players have different goals. Most people want to win but won't comm or throw team util. Other's just want to get kills or goof off. The amount of times I have heard teammates tell people to stop giving comms is crazy
It’s like the difference between playing a round of soccer at a park with a bunch of strangers vs the World Cup. Same game, only one side treats it like a game as the other treats it like a job
I'm no pro player, but even 5 stacks are majorly different, I used to play league where ranked is a complete circus, even with 5 stack of friends, the games could have first blood in first 20 seconds (but usually around 1 minute mark) end with teams having 70 or even 150 kills in a game, where is in clash (leagues casual tournaments) with friends, where it's a 5v5 stack, the games could end with only 5 kills per team, first bloods only happening at 25 minute mark. It's vastly different
The most basic explanation is the ENVIRONMENT is different. When playing rank, the pressure is not strong, players can play with a chill feelings or just try to beat the game as good as they can. However, in a tournament is a completely different story, the pressure is so much, if they lost, so the audience will blame them and else, so the different between PLAYING and COMPETING is a big gap.
I'm not much of a Valorant player, however this is definitely true in other games. A person who is high on the ranking leaderboards have the skills to climb rank, but haven't hone the skills needed to compete in a "structured" team.
The thing too is how ranked demons will have to analyze general opponent mistakes, and oft freestyle, whilst pros usually have coaches whom they get their communications from, which usually leads for a more specific and less broad approach, as you might study your enemy team rather than ranked who are playing against randoms.
Yeah and what's worse is you can't always rely on your randoms to be collecting good intel that you can use to form a plan lol so you really got to just wing it constantly.
No but this is true. This is video is a great highlight of the differences and its a reminder to myself that im not good to be pro, and never will be. Thats why id rather be an analyst. Because i watch these games, i look at the strats, the coordination, the mistakes that happen, why did G2 lose multiple 4v2? Well they played X and X positions which dont help each other, allowing multiple 1v1 fights or 1v2 in a short succession. Analyzing gameplay is my go to, its my fun thing to do when watching VCT. The difference is astounding. IGLing in ranked is miserable lmfao
You know, it's kinda hard to implement things that you learnt from watching pro teams play. I am more DRX fan, and at one point of time i coordinated my game too much into team, so in just a week i lost around 30 games and won only 4 or 5. Now i just turned off my micro, and controversially started to climb up again. Therefore comp games and pro scene, definitely two different entities. Don't be too insisted on copying play style of your fav team, invest more in your abilities to come out of various in game crisises, it certainly will help you to climb up and to challenge yourself in more pro game inclined events
Your experience is literally what used to be called "A bunch of friends vs Blind Pubs" --> both team plays completely different game in same match. (whether it is moba or fps) A bunch of friends usually play typical "Power Ranger Style" where you all just group and rush/gank the isolated enemy over and over again. Surprisingly it can works even when enemy has smurfs. (cuz that 1 smurf ain't much if the rest of their team crumbles)
This is why valorant, in a tactical level, will never be something really tactical. The game sucks as a tactical shooter. I would argue even CS is more tactical
Let's be real, networking is what makes you go pro, if you don't know people that know people, you're not going pro, very simple, but the people who know people that end being pro are still cracked so it's not a huge huge deal esports wise, but definitely discouraging for players who grind which ultimately means less talent to be able to shine for the world to see.
That's sadly how the world works, this is why you can have politicians and people running governments and companies even if they are truly incompetent themselves. Their money and networking makes them privileged and invulnerable to the rules.
As someone previously ‘semi-pro’/verge of pro cs 1.6, I can vouch. You can be the best player in the world, but unless you’re ‘known’ by top tier players, you aren’t going pro.
i disagree. if u can prove to teams that are looking for players that u deserve a spot, and that u have good chemistry with the other players, u will most likely get on the team rather than someone who is well known, slightly worse, and has bad chemistry. pro play imo, is just proving urself to people that u could do well in that said pro scene. to me its mostly just letting ur gameplay speak and proving u are worth the time and commitment.
Its like comparing Pro Panna Footballers, to Pro Footballers. Pro Panna players in niche situations can manhandle a team, but put them in a league like Premier or LaLiga, where the competition is insanely high, the Panna players would crumble down on pressure. Sometimes they dont, not telling all do, example is Neymar (he isnt exactly a Pro Panna Player, but you get the point). Its the same with Pro Ranked and Pro Players themselves, without the experience it is just very hard for the Pro Ranked players.
Not that I'm ever likely to go pro, or even particularly likely to hit radiant lol, but i like to think that if I ever do, it helps that I main astra and already have to know what my team is doing (often just based on what it looks like they're about to do, in games where no one uses comms. Which is reasonably often since I'm only in gold one haha). But, I dont heve any site executes or protocols, because i either solo q or play with a friend or two.
Haven’t played val in years, but this applies to majority of FPS games. Currently been t100 rank in Ow2 since Ow2, including peaking at #5. However I tend to lose a good chunk of scrims against former OWL players, who sometimes don’t even reach that t500 rank. The thing that often times separates a “rank demon” and a professional, usually boils down to game sense, team play, etc. essentially experience when playing. As most of the time, there isn’t a large mechanical difference between these kinds of players.
Man I wished this video existed for my school team. At first our team was made up of 1 high Imortal, 3 high plat to low diamond, and me a silver and it was great. We won in the NECC Emergents Division as first seed and got to play in nationals. In a year later we made a new team it was made of people almost completely new to the pro play scenes. The team was made up of 1 high diamond low Immortal, 2 gold, 1 silver(me still), and 1 bronze player. This team only lasted about a semester of school. By the spring no one on the team wanted to play. I felt that the new team didn't have the discipline or patience that is required for a ameture pro player. Almost everyone, including me, was treating the game as if it was a ranked game. By the time the season ended we didn't even qualified for regionals. In my eyes this video is perfect to show to struggling new ameture pro teams that have a hard time in transitioning from the ranked scene to the pro scene.
A simpler explanation is that pros are used to going against one way that other pros think. They have fine-tuned play against those specific types of people that they follow those specific rules and it looks so smooth because both teams have the same kind of thinking. Ranked play, is much more chaotic. These pros talk game sense, except the very PUGs that they play, their own game sense goes out the window because they aren't used to the chaos of enemy teams, and the high risk moves. While the pros can deal with it, they end up panicking just like other players because they definitely aren't used to playing outside of their ecosystem. This is also why its *very* difficult for a player to advance up to a "higher" pro bracket: even the sectioned off "lower" brackets end up generating their own ecosystem of tactics and strategies.
What's the difference between Rank Demons and Pro Players? Pro players have coaches and resources pumped into their training. They also play over and over and over with the same team. Really doesn't seem like much of a barrier -- just a lack of opportunity. Sure there's options for people if they want to take it seriously... but it's just a hard field to get into to. Especially when Esports is not doing well as a whole.
The problem in Valorant is that duelists generally get more rr than support players. Most of your round score comes from kills, and if you play breach or controllers, you don't have the utility support to get kills. All you can do is to help your teammates, and now you are 9/12/999, and your duelist flames you for not doing anything. Now, the game ends. How much rr do you get? Maybe 15? How much does your Reyna get? 30. Riot should make assists worth much more for controller and initiator players. Controllers are the most valuable agents in the game, so why does riot punish those who play them?
1:07 does anyone know why here the reaver vandal headshot symbol is all red with like a bunch of crosses? i haven't seen this headshot kill logo before.
Back when halo reach was absolutely popping off I played in a team and competed in smaller LAN tournaments. And whenever I played with friends in random public lobbies they'd always talk so much shit when I did bad or was just playing casually. like "omg mr pro over here is gettin gcarried" (it didn't help that was a cocky teen at the time 😅) but honestly people just play differently when they don't have a reason to win. And going from scrims to that is almost like a culture shock at times.
Demon1 is VCT demon bro. The next diablo. The guys himself started that i don't even play ranked too much. Only had 200 hours when we was signed for EG. Guys out of league
....as hiko said, most people dont want to play support, and the thing is because there is no obligation of winning, toxic and throws, trolls just become a Normal thing to face in ranked games.
If all the pro players played ranked and tried to climb, I think they would all be on top. People can get radiant because not many pros try to climb and they can easily stream snipe
I’m trying to get better at a game called breakpoint, it has a surprisingly good pvp, and would like to run a team there with some solid strategies and structure, but there aren’t that many good players playing anymore, so it’s difficult to find good matches and people to practice against. Any ideas?
@@JeffDays bro literally has him competing at his local tournament as his pfp. I'm not surprised you think everyone wants to be a pro gamer. Your whole identity is a guy who never made it. Yikes hahahaahha
@@JeffDays codey. he said he got an offer to be on G2's roster in the early days of val. he doesn't like the idea of going pro nor does he even like the game lmao.
The Premier mode is so good for that too. I love playing premier and i almost always play better than in ranked eventhough we are mostly playing against people in higher Ranks than me.
I had a friend who was top tier hitting max radiant 17. The reason he never went pro is just it was too much work for him. He was on a few rank 2 and 3 teams and did scrim against a lot of other rank 2 and 3 but he kind of hit a block of just getting bounced around by teams and kinda just gave up ontop of that he is also in high school so it just took up all of his personal time.
People are forgetting that a lot of people just want to enjoy the game on their free time and at their convenience and that’s it. Not everyone wants to go pro team and practice 15 hours a day and live together in the same house with four other teammates and make this their life. There are a lot do things in life than just practice Valorant 15 hours a day. People want to travel, cook, climb mountain, snowboard, sky dive, deep dive, and the list goes on.
Sentinels have officially entered that phase everything org reaches where they live off of past brilliance and enjoy the ride to the end while coping very hard. TenZ at this point is more of a ranked demon than a pro player.
Yeah when I understood this it kinda killed my drive to climb ranked ladders. I'd rather play with a group of friends and get good teamplay than focus on my rank so much. But, it hinders me when I wanna go solo que or duo. I am un-able to put things together with randoms or set my self up super well.
the reson why there are not many people in valorant that want to play like support or smth like that is because in ranked when you don't do kills you aren't getting much rr even if you are winning
@@SentinelsI agree, I’m not fully disagreeing with you guys. But you guys should take some “ranked demons” who play together and aren’t pros, and give them some show match time and really show off how different it can be.
Labelling Tarik as a ranked demon who can’t go pro in the thumbnail is somehow so ironic yet 100% true
Tarik could def do damage in t2 if he wanted to
@@kdot4879 I'm sure he could be pro in T1... it's just that he doesn't want to... it's a lot of work, and he's making way more as a streamer with an easier life.
major MVP of the only NA major ever won in CS (a harder game mechanically and very similar fundamentally) while IGLing, tarik could easily go pro in this game
@@freightFPS he goes pro when he doesn’t roza for 3 days in a row
@@mat.quantum2671 he goes pro when he chooses to join a team and actually plays in scrims and gets acclimated to teamplay again
he won't do it though bc streaming makes him more money and it's a better lifestyle for him
SEN are lowkey recruiting rank demons and they thought we wouldn’t notice but we did
i think only TenZ is a ranked demon on sentinels lol
@@alecksjr sacy is actually really good 😭 I remember in zekken clip , zekken checked his account he was like match mvp every game when he was playing Brazil
@@alecksjr maybe but my comment was that they’re recruiting players lol
@@alecksjr Isn't Sacy the only player to be rank 1 in 3 different regions?
@@caykahve5869 I mean all the players recruited had tons of professional experience. U can say that TenZ and Sacy are ranked demons but the rest not so much.
I think one thing people forget is boredom, ranked isnt worth enough that people will play slow just to win 1 round but in franchising sometimes they play so slow just waiting for someone to make a mistake and capitalize on it, in ranked theyll run it down 2 v5 and sometimes get lucky
Idk why but I find that more fun than ranked
@@woken5088 It is because there are things at stake.
I hate to be that guy but that's patience not boredom
@@timothychinye6008 think about your sentence
Nah he s totally right @@Natty11100
Next Video = Why Spike Rush Demon Never Play VCT
It’s bc it would be too easy for spike rush demons. They need a REAL challenge. VCT too easy
perfectly described why I play spike rush. I need genuine challenge.
I feel attacked
Swiftplay*
@@carllively4813 very true
I used to play CS a lot back when I was like 15 or something. I hit global once or twice eventually end up being in a local team, played a lot of LANs, or ESLs overall the rank experience in CS GO is much different to those playing LAN events or tournaments in general. It just feel different, not the comms, not the people not the pressure, just the game itself feels different when you go out there and play for your team and not for yourself, you don't want to rank up or save your rank there, you want to fight for what you have, you don't make big decisions as it may screw up the team play, you stick to your role. Maybe I was a kid or something but I never felt the pressure, both in lan or in ranked CS GO. Although, the game does feel different somehow
you're right these guys are making huge cope tbh lmao 99% of "pros" cant even hit top rank or hang with top rank
@@asdsad5059 ngl, pros are mostly pros because of how well they play with their set teammates, if someone left that team it could take a while to regain the team chemistry they once had, etc. it isnt cope when ranked in valorant is just a gamble most of the time. some people play better solo or duo (the people who are consistently top of the LBs, but cant play pro play) and some people play better with their team theyre comfortable with (the pros who cant reach the top of the LBs, but are insane with their team)
So "pro"- play takes your creativity away turning you in just a cog in a machine, that's not everyone is willingly to give away.
@@asdsad505999% of pros would literally take the top Radiant spots and never leave. These guys train strats, set plays and teamwork, scrim and in their off time whoop the people who dedicate themselves to the ranked grind. Imagine if they actually tryharded and went elo hungry lol. Literal slaughterfest.
@@artmanromSticking to your role is not losing your creativity. For example, Nats' role might be to lurk but while he's lurking he isn't working off some rigid preset routine, he's constantly feeling out the enemy team, gathering info and going off instincts to make high risk-high reward plays all off his own individual playstyle. The only "constraint" is that he lurks not how he lurks. The freedom in these roles is very high and pro players constantly stretch these limits. If anything, high level pro Valorant is much norepinephrine creative than the autopiloting slugfest that is the ranked experience. Even a large amount of the strats you pull in your games are inspired from a pro player or coach who made those strats in the first place.
0:05 The fact that icy is a pro player now
fr that was the first thing i noticed lol
Now Sen needs to win LCQ so i can regain some of my sanity and not lose my voice.
lol sen sucks, aqui é favela caralho aspas top 1
107 likes and no replies lemme fix that real quick
i been! losin it
how didn’t you lose it when they lost year and somehow thought shroud would fix their problems
No wait this is so real
I hope Riot can sponsor or own top teams from premiere. What stopping people from going pro is that not enough team that recruits. And what stopping from new team to be establish is money. Riot can do that for 1 or 2 teams.
That's so true, also, many teams doesn't recruit unpopular people even if their stats is on par with their current team. I saw a radiant player on a cheap computer cafe, he managed rose rank on radiant having 120 fps, cheapest low poi mice, keyboard and 60hz monitor, the guy was insane, shitting on radiant players who prolly have the best pc for valorant.
Teams do have a way to go pro. They have to qualify for challengers. Then qualify for ascension. Then if they win ascension they are pro and play in the pro leagues.
@@cooldude32ism I think you misread what OP was saying. He said that most people don't have enough money to make a pro team happen.
@@KricketGD I didn’t misread. But no one is investing in players that haven’t proven themselves. How do you prove yourself? Take your premier team and go play in challengers qualifiers which is free.
You don’t have to have a professional org with money to qualify for challengers. Look at turtle troops. If your team wins ascension. Riot literally does what op described
really like this type of content, would love to see more info about this stuff!
"They're like a one trick"
*Shows Dasnerths stats😂
Dasnerth is a pro now
@@thegodkira3953 no he isn't, he joined BRKA as a content creator
@@srinjansingharoy202 hes a player not content creator
@@mattsayer5623 Bruh he literally has 100k followers on Twitch and 50k on RUclips wdym he's not a content creator?
@@SixhawkSix dasnerth got signed as a player not as a content creator. In reality hes both but the reason he is signed is to play competetive matches not produce content
What i had seen is that playing in a Pro team or becoming a pro player has its own ups and downs. The benefit of playing Pro is that they have a much more patience than those who are just grinding rank. It also trains their mindset to become a IGL because of all the practice and hardwork. Its always put into how they gonna approach the situation TOGETHER. Many players just plays in their own mind and isolates themselves to the play. (Although i'm not a pro player nor i'm a rank demon. I'm just an ASC 1 player telling some facts to those who played the game but not fully understand it.)
From what I have seen is that most of time coordinating is hard and peoples just play for themselves even if u make selfless plays
One of the main reasons is, going pro requires so much time and focus on this game where you have to abandon a lot of things.
Why would Tarik ever wanna go pro again when he makes 10x entire teams salary streaming
2:00 one day bro is gonna go inside his monitor 💀
Hes gonna get sucked in on some rick and morty shit lmao
@@therealnotunreal lmao
At some point he’s gonna have like vr headset for valorant
LOL
6:40 Sen casually roasting themselves
nah that was a flex they like "pug type shit hella loses to long term strategized play but our team yeeted it anyway and shit on em"
some og TSM shit
@@free_microwave i took it as them saying "we dont scrim and practice as much as other teams leading to a pug type of playstyle in matches"
Perfect explanation for Tenzs CSGO career. Insane on ESEA but dropped the ball in pro play.
thats probably why he also had the best explanation out of the 3, because he understood the problems he had in csgo.
He mentions how most of them are a 'one trick pony' and that it works in pugs because of lack of structure or use of proper utility, and he couldn't be more right.
I do the same in FACEIT on CSGO, i always play whats more favorable to me, i got many shenanigan tricks that work wonders half the time and if i am VS a team that has better utility/structure it can sometimes backfire to 0% of my dumb strats working etc.
As was mentioned in the video, them boring structure strats are proven statistically to win most of the time vs lucko one time tricks you do on pugs.
I also follow a lot of these demons personally and its always funny to see them in PUGS doing so well. And the moment they sign up for LANS/tournaments to give it a go, they get shit on.
Most recent one is the curent open qualifiers for the PGL in csgo. So funny to see all these top pug players attempting a team and losing so badly to actual teams XD.
True
I’ve always dreamed of having a pro team centre their entire team and play style on a Yoru main like Eggster. Maybe we’ll only ever see it with agents like Jett or prime chamber but I’ll still never lose hope lol
that's PRX
I don't know who Eggster is, but the issue with Yoru is how predictable he becomes. Sure in ranked he works well enough for a few player to main him, but that's exactly why they are so good, because their are few of them. Just watch how Fnatic beat PRX on Bind last year to realise that. Boaster knew every single play that Forsaken was trying to pull of.
@@yutanox2798 yea :/
the problem with that is that is how much the meta changes per map. its impossible to play a certain team comp on some maps, because of how unfit that agent is to compete on that map. for example, omen can be really good on some maps, but lack behind really badly on others, so someone who is an omen main whos trying to go pro is not gonna be able to compete on some maps as well as for example someone who might be worse on omen, but can play all the other controllers really really well.
i doubt that hypothetical team could even get to t2 pro play
I think it's also because not everyone wants or can spend the time grinding 'proper' Valorant against structured teams. Making a living going pro in any game is really difficult, so for a lot of those ranked demons their job or other responsibilities gets in the way.
it basically takes over your entire life, new job playing a game you're good at. i doubt most ranked demons want to do that anyway, they just want to sit at home play valorant with themselves or friends, not go crazy on stages and have the pressure of a thousand fans behind you
This is why I don’t worry about my kills all the time in ranked, I keep my options open to support my team and set them up for success, not get all the kills.
The goal in winning is to plant the spike and let it blow to win, or the opposite, to defuse. Not get all the kills. But in standard ranked, people lose many rounds trying to find the last players and egoing to get kills, leaving one player to defend site over holding it strategically to win the round.
You are a small minority with a brain - 95% of monkeys playing can’t comprehend this concept.
Frags/score determine skill to these apes and are more important than actually playing as a team with the main team objective of winning the round
Don't you automatically win if you kill everyone though
I know youre talking about val but I started doing the same in cs. They changed the scoreboard so it doesn't show the person with the most kills at the top anymore. It's who has the most damage which helps really shows your impact, but also shows who's baiting
our "good buddy" tarik 🙏
There’s a big scrim factor too. You can be t500 in ranked but if you don’t scrim, people won’t know who you are.
i love that zekken pointed out how it isnt hard to reach a pro lvl with aiming in valorant. its simply an easy aim game, much easier than any fps ive ever played. too many people think they're just gonna go grind dms and thn out aim everyone but there will be mid ascendant trashcans who have insane aim and thn people in my immortal 3/ radiant lobbies with the same aim that i had as a diamond.
I think you're looking at that wrong. They might have the same aim as you did in diamond, but that probably means that's what most responsible for your rank for you, aim. For them, they're the same rank as you, but if their aim is bad, then they have really good positioning, or util usage. They're your same level of skill, just for a different reason.
Yea valorant is an incredibly easy game. Zero shooting mechanics at all. Cs is way better
@@jcoxy1057 everyone that says that can barely reach or leave diamond.
Tenz vs Tarik. Lets Actually see them against each other, it would be hilarious.
Technically that did happen because Tarik tried out to replace tenz on the team but didn’t make it or smth
@@duitnaa2396how did he try to?
@@duitnaa2396 you can't just take his words that seriously, he's always trolling
@@duitnaa2396 the only thing that is true is he joined them as a content creator and a sub
@@duitnaa2396 tenz fanboys always knows how to make everyone laugh😂
try comparing tier 1 teams to tier 3 teams (close to ranked demons)
there is a big difference in decision making, teamwork, and strategy. however, aim-wise are just close
thats what zekken says in the video
there's probably immortals with better aim than some pros
@@wimpymike there's ascendants with better aim than some pros they just have the game sense of bronzes
i hope players from challengers/even ppl from premier or sum arent like gatekeeped in the community bc they came from lower tier val, with the new system it should make getting into pro play easier to get ur name out there but teams better be willing to take time to develop ppl
Another big difference is that comp players have different goals. Most people want to win but won't comm or throw team util. Other's just want to get kills or goof off. The amount of times I have heard teammates tell people to stop giving comms is crazy
It’s like the difference between playing a round of soccer at a park with a bunch of strangers vs the World Cup. Same game, only one side treats it like a game as the other treats it like a job
I'm no pro player, but even 5 stacks are majorly different, I used to play league where ranked is a complete circus, even with 5 stack of friends, the games could have first blood in first 20 seconds (but usually around 1 minute mark) end with teams having 70 or even 150 kills in a game, where is in clash (leagues casual tournaments) with friends, where it's a 5v5 stack, the games could end with only 5 kills per team, first bloods only happening at 25 minute mark. It's vastly different
the sinergy you get in a pro team is just another game indeed
Demon1 is also an example of a ranked demon who became even better in pro
He claims he barely played ranked. & was just doing AM scrims and stuff
@@Fc11124 oh seriously? Ignore my comment then
@@kenarnarayaka nah his "barely played" still is at least 1k hrs lol
The most basic explanation is the ENVIRONMENT is different. When playing rank, the pressure is not strong, players can play with a chill feelings or just try to beat the game as good as they can. However, in a tournament is a completely different story, the pressure is so much, if they lost, so the audience will blame them and else, so the different between PLAYING and COMPETING is a big gap.
Rank Demons Vs. Pro Players.
I want to see that!
This is why we love you guys! You break it down. You give us the cops video from vct and the breakdown of the roles
I'm not much of a Valorant player, however this is definitely true in other games. A person who is high on the ranking leaderboards have the skills to climb rank, but haven't hone the skills needed to compete in a "structured" team.
or you can say didnt get he opportunity
The thing too is how ranked demons will have to analyze general opponent mistakes, and oft freestyle, whilst pros usually have coaches whom they get their communications from, which usually leads for a more specific and less broad approach, as you might study your enemy team rather than ranked who are playing against randoms.
Yeah and what's worse is you can't always rely on your randoms to be collecting good intel that you can use to form a plan lol so you really got to just wing it constantly.
No but this is true. This is video is a great highlight of the differences and its a reminder to myself that im not good to be pro, and never will be. Thats why id rather be an analyst. Because i watch these games, i look at the strats, the coordination, the mistakes that happen, why did G2 lose multiple 4v2? Well they played X and X positions which dont help each other, allowing multiple 1v1 fights or 1v2 in a short succession. Analyzing gameplay is my go to, its my fun thing to do when watching VCT. The difference is astounding. IGLing in ranked is miserable lmfao
you can of you really put yourself to it
You know, it's kinda hard to implement things that you learnt from watching pro teams play. I am more DRX fan, and at one point of time i coordinated my game too much into team, so in just a week i lost around 30 games and won only 4 or 5. Now i just turned off my micro, and controversially started to climb up again. Therefore comp games and pro scene, definitely two different entities. Don't be too insisted on copying play style of your fav team, invest more in your abilities to come out of various in game crisises, it certainly will help you to climb up and to challenge yourself in more pro game inclined events
i feel like it’s implied that set strats are meant for if you consistently play in a 5 stack
Duh ur supposed to study how they use their abilities and gamesense and also theyre teams have comms
Your experience is literally what used to be called
"A bunch of friends vs Blind Pubs" --> both team plays completely different game in same match. (whether it is moba or fps)
A bunch of friends usually play typical "Power Ranger Style" where you all just group and rush/gank the isolated enemy over and over again. Surprisingly it can works even when enemy has smurfs. (cuz that 1 smurf ain't much if the rest of their team crumbles)
This is why valorant, in a tactical level, will never be something really tactical. The game sucks as a tactical shooter. I would argue even CS is more tactical
Tarik was the IGL in C9 when they won the major lmao
I’m so glad someone finally addressed this topic
just came back and if you look icy who is now on g2 was then a ranked demon but is now a pretty good player in tier 1.
bro pulled up Dasnerths tracker 1:29 LMAOOOOOOOO
LOL
Let's be real, networking is what makes you go pro, if you don't know people that know people, you're not going pro, very simple, but the people who know people that end being pro are still cracked so it's not a huge huge deal esports wise, but definitely discouraging for players who grind which ultimately means less talent to be able to shine for the world to see.
That's sadly how the world works, this is why you can have politicians and people running governments and companies even if they are truly incompetent themselves. Their money and networking makes them privileged and invulnerable to the rules.
100%, having a big name exponentially increases your chances of being on a pro team
Yes. Ranked demons can easily adapt to pro environment. Its really the networking
As someone previously ‘semi-pro’/verge of pro cs 1.6, I can vouch.
You can be the best player in the world, but unless you’re ‘known’ by top tier players, you aren’t going pro.
i disagree. if u can prove to teams that are looking for players that u deserve a spot, and that u have good chemistry with the other players, u will most likely get on the team rather than someone who is well known, slightly worse, and has bad chemistry. pro play imo, is just proving urself to people that u could do well in that said pro scene. to me its mostly just letting ur gameplay speak and proving u are worth the time and commitment.
Its like comparing Pro Panna Footballers, to Pro Footballers. Pro Panna players in niche situations can manhandle a team, but put them in a league like Premier or LaLiga, where the competition is insanely high, the Panna players would crumble down on pressure.
Sometimes they dont, not telling all do, example is Neymar (he isnt exactly a Pro Panna Player, but you get the point).
Its the same with Pro Ranked and Pro Players themselves, without the experience it is just very hard for the Pro Ranked players.
This is a very good comparison
Not that I'm ever likely to go pro, or even particularly likely to hit radiant lol, but i like to think that if I ever do, it helps that I main astra and already have to know what my team is doing (often just based on what it looks like they're about to do, in games where no one uses comms. Which is reasonably often since I'm only in gold one haha). But, I dont heve any site executes or protocols, because i either solo q or play with a friend or two.
6:54 ok I’m not talking bout how u put urselves with fnatic, navi, Dre and loud
Haven’t played val in years, but this applies to majority of FPS games.
Currently been t100 rank in Ow2 since Ow2, including peaking at #5. However I tend to lose a good chunk of scrims against former OWL players, who sometimes don’t even reach that t500 rank.
The thing that often times separates a “rank demon” and a professional, usually boils down to game sense, team play, etc. essentially experience when playing.
As most of the time, there isn’t a large mechanical difference between these kinds of players.
Man I wished this video existed for my school team. At first our team was made up of 1 high Imortal, 3 high plat to low diamond, and me a silver and it was great. We won in the NECC Emergents Division as first seed and got to play in nationals. In a year later we made a new team it was made of people almost completely new to the pro play scenes. The team was made up of 1 high diamond low Immortal, 2 gold, 1 silver(me still), and 1 bronze player. This team only lasted about a semester of school. By the spring no one on the team wanted to play. I felt that the new team didn't have the discipline or patience that is required for a ameture pro player. Almost everyone, including me, was treating the game as if it was a ranked game. By the time the season ended we didn't even qualified for regionals. In my eyes this video is perfect to show to struggling new ameture pro teams that have a hard time in transitioning from the ranked scene to the pro scene.
dude u got a silver in pro team its not gonne work
@@BbCslayer123 at first it didn't but I started to improve. Just didn't play ranked is all.
Im surprised you got in. How did you keep up?
@@samuellinn repeated practice with the team and just practicing how to playin a pro scene
I looove these videos, and the editing is god tier
How the editor does that effect? It’s awsome. I mean the map-like thing with all the abilities.
A simpler explanation is that pros are used to going against one way that other pros think. They have fine-tuned play against those specific types of people that they follow those specific rules and it looks so smooth because both teams have the same kind of thinking.
Ranked play, is much more chaotic. These pros talk game sense, except the very PUGs that they play, their own game sense goes out the window because they aren't used to the chaos of enemy teams, and the high risk moves. While the pros can deal with it, they end up panicking just like other players because they definitely aren't used to playing outside of their ecosystem.
This is also why its *very* difficult for a player to advance up to a "higher" pro bracket: even the sectioned off "lower" brackets end up generating their own ecosystem of tactics and strategies.
5:31 this exact footage is what sets Sentinels content team apart from the other orgs'
What's the difference between Rank Demons and Pro Players? Pro players have coaches and resources pumped into their training. They also play over and over and over with the same team. Really doesn't seem like much of a barrier -- just a lack of opportunity. Sure there's options for people if they want to take it seriously... but it's just a hard field to get into to. Especially when Esports is not doing well as a whole.
is this a whole ad for premier?
The problem in Valorant is that duelists generally get more rr than support players. Most of your round score comes from kills, and if you play breach or controllers, you don't have the utility support to get kills. All you can do is to help your teammates, and now you are 9/12/999, and your duelist flames you for not doing anything. Now, the game ends. How much rr do you get? Maybe 15? How much does your Reyna get? 30. Riot should make assists worth much more for controller and initiator players. Controllers are the most valuable agents in the game, so why does riot punish those who play them?
They forgot to say the simplest reason, maybe some of these ranked demons just didn't want it lmao.
1:07 does anyone know why here the reaver vandal headshot symbol is all red with like a bunch of crosses? i haven't seen this headshot kill logo before.
Visual bug
Back when halo reach was absolutely popping off I played in a team and competed in smaller LAN tournaments. And whenever I played with friends in random public lobbies they'd always talk so much shit when I did bad or was just playing casually. like "omg mr pro over here is gettin gcarried" (it didn't help that was a cocky teen at the time 😅) but honestly people just play differently when they don't have a reason to win. And going from scrims to that is almost like a culture shock at times.
Now i understand why sentinels became a ranked team after iceland
This video is so valuable. Thank you!
This is a question I've always had when it comes to gamers, amazing video
Major issue with these tactical games are the maps once mastered you can exploit every pixel. Esoecally left/right headglitches
tenz wearing fear of god is pretty cool
the graphics for this explainer video are incredible!
this is s sick video great format
I love the content you're creating, amazing
2:01 DAM! so close to the moniter
Play a game with no structure but the enemy team doesn't know to confuse them
That difference is why i dont queue premiere anymore, only one of my friends wanted to play the teamgame...
thumbnail is hilarious bc Tarik has accomplished more in the professional fps scene than Tenz ever will.
yoo that guy at 2:32 used to be on my friends list
that guy used to talk shit to me in ESEA
Idk how they managed to stretch the simple answer of "teamwork" into an 8 minute video, very impressive!
No shot you put Demon1 as a rank demon example.
Im pretty sure they put him as a ranked demon who put in the time and effort to go pro and had success
Demon1 is VCT demon bro. The next diablo. The guys himself started that i don't even play ranked too much. Only had 200 hours when we was signed for EG. Guys out of league
@@genn8062 He doesn't have many hours in ranked...
to be fair, this Americas league was his debut, so until literally a month ago, he was a ranked demon
@@itsAvient No, he was active in other tier tournaments. He had almost no hours in ranked.
....as hiko said, most people dont want to play support, and the thing is because there is no obligation of winning, toxic and throws, trolls just become a Normal thing to face in ranked games.
4:35 Always wanted to play as support, Because I'm shitty with aim so can't entry.
This was super helpful thank you
If all the pro players played ranked and tried to climb, I think they would all be on top. People can get radiant because not many pros try to climb and they can easily stream snipe
I’m trying to get better at a game called breakpoint, it has a surprisingly good pvp, and would like to run a team there with some solid strategies and structure, but there aren’t that many good players playing anymore, so it’s difficult to find good matches and people to practice against. Any ideas?
6:53 They really slid Sentinels there 💀💀
cuz ur watching a video from sentinels, Use ur small brain 💀 💀
What did you expect? It's their video/content.
lmfaooo they really thought no one would notice
You have to gel with a random team on the fly, vs practiced teamwork with the same players.
Some people just dont want to go pro but theyre really good at the game.
name 1
@@JeffDays bro literally has him competing at his local tournament as his pfp. I'm not surprised you think everyone wants to be a pro gamer. Your whole identity is a guy who never made it. Yikes hahahaahha
@@ArJayDM I've never seen someone so defensive over one word and a number before. did Jeff pay for that or do you just enjoy giving head?
@@ArJayDM that's legit from 2014 when I was a kid haha. whats your identity, anime eyes?who hurt you man? everything ok?
@@JeffDays codey. he said he got an offer to be on G2's roster in the early days of val. he doesn't like the idea of going pro nor does he even like the game lmao.
The Premier mode is so good for that too. I love playing premier and i almost always play better than in ranked eventhough we are mostly playing against people in higher Ranks than me.
so i just saw a pro radiant guy other day he was streaming on yt he just had like 5 subs now he stopped streaming now i cannot find him
is that icy from g2 at the start in #3
I want to see a 5radiant top vs sen
1:58 How can a person do anything sitting that close to a screen
I had a friend who was top tier hitting max radiant 17. The reason he never went pro is just it was too much work for him. He was on a few rank 2 and 3 teams and did scrim against a lot of other rank 2 and 3 but he kind of hit a block of just getting bounced around by teams and kinda just gave up ontop of that he is also in high school so it just took up all of his personal time.
Next Video: ranked demons vs pro team 5v5
People are forgetting that a lot of people just want to enjoy the game on their free time and at their convenience and that’s it. Not everyone wants to go pro team and practice 15 hours a day and live together in the same house with four other teammates and make this their life. There are a lot do things in life than just practice Valorant 15 hours a day. People want to travel, cook, climb mountain, snowboard, sky dive, deep dive, and the list goes on.
Icy ranked demon in intro went pro
2:01 that is CRAZY😂. What he doin there?
what a video.. it really helps somebody out there who wants to be a pro..
thank u sentinels
u wont be a pro i hope you fail
Give up
Sentinels have officially entered that phase everything org reaches where they live off of past brilliance and enjoy the ride to the end while coping very hard. TenZ at this point is more of a ranked demon than a pro player.
Bro thought we wouldnt recognize tarik in the thumbnail 💀💀💀
personally i think most ranked demons arent used to work as a team or dont follow a certain strategy which is very important for a esports
Yeah when I understood this it kinda killed my drive to climb ranked ladders. I'd rather play with a group of friends and get good teamplay than focus on my rank so much. But, it hinders me when I wanna go solo que or duo. I am un-able to put things together with randoms or set my self up super well.
2:00 bro looks like hes gonna eat the dam monitor
5:08 music?
the reson why there are not many people in valorant that want to play like support or smth like that is because in ranked when you don't do kills you aren't getting much rr even if you are winning
Where is kaplan from?
All good, then conduct a Show match series with Sen vs Ranked Demons maybe?
Alright.
WTF
@@SentinelsI agree, I’m not fully disagreeing with you guys. But you guys should take some “ranked demons” who play together and aren’t pros, and give them some show match time and really show off how different it can be.