$1500 phone or $500 for PS5/Xbox Series X, $400 on the Steam Deck, $300 on the Switch, $1500 on a good PC. Yeah I know where my money is going. Apple and Gaming just don't work.
@@androiduser7871 how is that irrelevant, that's literally the point they are making 😵💫 if you already have an iPhone 15 can't hurt that it's now your Xbox/switch/steam deck
@@TheHarris619 Irrelevent and delusional He said for 300$ or more you can buy a decent gaming device why would any sane one who want a gaming device pay 5 times the price for an iphknphone
I think the SSD/Ram upgrades should be cheaper. $1600.00 for a macbook pro with 8gb of ram first of all is insane but then charging us another $200.00 is like so not cool
They are making us pay to future proof the device basically.... The Ram should be so damn expensive and neither should storage.... absolutely outrageous.
Especially considering you have to make your choice at checkout cos you can't upgrade it later. But at this point, their lowest end specs really shouldn't even be a thing now. 8gb RAM shouldn't be the minimum any more - 16Gb should be. And a 512Gb drive? Seriously? We've had multi-terabyte drives for _so long_ now, that 1Tb absolutely SHOULD be the lowest spec it's possible to get at this point in time, hell I could even argue it should be 2Tb minimum. Then again, I'm also of the opinion that computer monitors shouldn't be 1080p any more and games shouldn't be designed/coded to target that resolution either - that resolution shouldn't even be an _option_ for anyone to chose, 1440p should be the new lowest-end spec you can possibly get. About time we all moved on and raised the lower floor up a level considering just how ancient all these lowest-end specs really are and how long we've had the higher-end stuff for. For me, 512Gb hard drives, 8GB RAM and 1080p monitors/screens is the equivalent of signing up to a streaming service, and because you chose the cheapest monthly subscription they ship you out a VHS player and VHS tapes. It just doesn't make any logical sense to keep those lowest end specs still going when we've had better for so long, and pushing up the lowest floor not only offers a better experience all-round, it also encourages the highest floors to be advanced more as well.
@@DavidStruveDesigns Your argument from the consumer side makes so much sense and I agree whole heartedly. Everyone in 2023 just has so much digital Bagged that 1TB should be the lowest storage spec. However Apple Gotta make their money somehow and they choose too do it by making you pay to future proof your device. I think they will have to start increasing the floor here soon because M1 was just so Good that people aren't finding a reason to upgrade anymore and a new color and chip ain't it!
@@yellowdrangon The problem is, it's really _not_ "future proof" at all. Cos after a few years Apple devices "mysteriously" start slowing down and failing. With OS updates older tech outright doesn't get them or it performs _awfully_ on that hardware, and newer software acts sluggish on older hardware too. The last Apple product I bought was an iPad (I forget the generation, it might have been a 2nd or 3rd Gen) but I had terrible timing and they'd come out with the latest generation a few months later (which was I think now 2 generations above?) - despite it being a brand new iPad and only a couple of years out of date it suddenly slowed down massively, wouldn't charge all the way despite the brand-new battery and eventually after about five months ownership it stopped working altogether. And it absolutely refused to download and install the latest OS which got a brand new version with the new model release. When I got a tech repair shop to check it out, they said the hardware was still perfect and it was being slowed by software and OS updates. So yeah the lowest end spec makes _no sense_ and forcing upgrades the way they do is unfair ESPECIALLY because their devices won't last for the lifespan of the _hardware_ inside.
??? You can literally play lies of p at 4k on a macbook now with good fps, it should make you want it even more since even though they may be slow now, they'll eventually be more gaming oriented
It's NOT that the machines are slow, is that they lack the RAM to open up all of it's said capabilities. EVERYTHING bottlenecks at the RAM and until Apple doesn't offer 32GB as the base standard configuration, you will get lag. Drop in 64GB+ of Ram and it's a whole different world for Apple machines and Timmy boy is simply dropping the ball in that regard.@@OmniKoneko
yeah its too late now gaming has long lost its novelty and financial people will only look at the profit and greed, so yeah there is no way it is going to work starting so late, maybe if they buy valve or at least partner with them hmm maybe
@@juki6377there is nothing like an iPhone or iPad right now for the mobile gaming market. More powerful? Yes but not in comparison to the M2 iPad Pro with 16gb. Power efficient with no active cooling? Absolutely not. Can get on your phone plan like iPhones and iPad? No
@@TylerKhan I don't understand what you're trying to tell me. By games I meant like PC or console games not mobile if that helps. It's not just about power its the whole support and infrastructure behind it. You might have something powerful but for whatever reason if there are no Devs or compatibility is an issue you can be running big blue you won't go far
I wish Apple had a premium version of Apple Arcade which was $10 a month where they added 3rd party games at no additional cost like RE8, Assassin Creed, Division,etc. I would definitely get RE8 for the Mac/iPhone , but not for $60 when I can get it for $20 on Xbox,PS5, and Steam. Turn Apple Arcade into a gamepass competitor and I'll be all in
Bet the reason why developers don't want to make games for Mac is because apple wants a huge cut of the money they would make plus upfront licensing just like on iPhones with the app store.
An iphone screen is just too small for a AAA game. Also, I don’t trust that if I pay a 60€ game on the app store, that it’ll still be downloadable in a couple years. So many apps I paid good money for in the past are just gone.
I mean the Switch and Steamdeck are the same or slightly smaller than the larger iPhone, and you can always dock all of them when you actually want a full screen
The thing with macOS is not that it’s bad, is that nobody uses it worldwide. I think it has not even hit that 20% total user share. That’s why Steam invested that much in Wine and ProtonDb. They can’t fight Windows so why not make it compatible with another platform?
Games should also release on Mac, but in the same way they release on consoles. Have locked down quality etc settings and only unlock the ability to change resolution and a high/low fidelity slider.
@@AstonGryffynn Why? For simplicity sake they should be treated like consoles. Since there is such a small spread in performance it'd be easy to optimize and lock down, juuuust like a console.
This is one of those things I couldn't help but read and realize that I've never cared to pay attention to something like that but I have a strange feeling you just created a future habit. You bastard.
This is what I want Apple to do with their iPads only have the iPad Pro the iPad mini, the regular iPad no iPad Air and then with their AirPods they only have the AirPods 3 AirPods Pro 2 and AirPods, Max and no AirPods 2 and with their computers, only have the M2 MacBook Air, and get rid of the MacBook Air with M1 get rid of the iMac and then keep the Mac mini the Mac studio and then the biggest desktop Mac they make get rid of that only have 4 models of Apple computers and also get rid of the iPad 9th generation
Reduce the price of Mac computers to be more in-line with high end Windows gaming PCs and work with publishers to ensure better compatibility / optimization with MacOS and you got a pretty viable gaming machine on your hands. Only downside is I assume you cant do dual monitors on Mac unless you're plugging in your Macbook to a monitor but that wouldn't look like the best dual monitor setup
Sadly it's the pay to play nonsense that keeps me far, far, FAR away from phone gaming (Android and Apple). AAA titles are desperately needed to make that work...and everyone is falling on their respective faces not doing this. Two or three AAA titles do not make a gaming experience on my iPhone realistic, and limiting it to just the 15 Pro just to do it in the first place..... no, just no. This needs to be taken seriously, and it isn't from anyone on both sides of the aisle here, and until they do, Switch/Steam, etc. are still the only way to go.
How do you think an SSD ages when its constantly blasted with write cycles by shuffling big games around ? It will die very timely and since the NAND chips are directly soldered on the mainboard this would magically transform the mac computer into e waste and a paper weight... + the storage & RAM upgrades sold by apple are simple way too expensive to encourage any gamers that would need those configs...
I already owned RE: Village and had access to Lies of P through Game Pass, but I bought both of the AppStore versions just to show support for games coming to the platform.
The one and ONLY time I was ever able to play any PC games was on my 2013 Macbook Pro. (at least the games they supported at the time) they have a ton of potential branch out to the gaming market, but...this ain't it chief lol
I played the New Resident Evil Village on my M1 Pro 16gb and it ran like a dream! I also play LOL on my Mac and it also runs very smooth 110+fps. I just wish there were more games available...
all apple needs to do to get the gamer market easily in their pocket, is to work with valve to integrate the steam library for metal compatibility. that, and add valves' anti cheat engine, and they're good
Valve doesn’t want to work with Apple now though, mainly because Apple dropped 32-bit which decimated their game library to Valves annoyance, and also refusing to support vulkan. It also highlighted to Valve that Apple could not be trusted to not just throw devs the towel whenever it wanted.
Dropping vulkan support was needles if anything. I mean sure, have your metal or whatever, but why bother removing an industry standard (which was already working) just to force the use of metal.
It’s crazy because when I want to download a free app and I’m unfortunate enough to have a negative balance on my card I can’t even do that. Screw Apple.
I would say the iPhone is a switch competitor with better specs except my mom doesn't try to facetime me on my switch. The single biggest downside to your phone being your gaming device (especially to hook it up to the TV with a dock/dongle) is that then you can't use it as your phone. No texting while ur gaming. If you have a phone AND a macbook already (which less people do than just iphones) and your save progress picks up instantly between them and you can run your laptop to a TV and connect a controller to that and then use a backbone with the phone on the go the maybe (maybe).
I will absolutely integrate with the apple ecosystem if I can play my games. I will buy an iPhone with airpods and get a MacBook and just dock it for games
The best modern Apple computer products for most people are: M3 Max 16 inch for extreme users of their iGPU. Examples: Machine Learning, engineering CAD, medical imaging, or extreme video editing. M3 Pro MacBook Pro 14/16 inch for professional with medium to high CPU use. Examples: Programmers, regular video/photo editors, DJs, and sound engineers. M2/M3 Air for non-professionals or professionals with light CPU use. Examples: Data analysts using Tableau, sales reps, traveling journalists, and middle/high school students. M2/M3 Mac Mini for professionals that want a customized home desktop setup. 24-inch iMac for kids and people that are not tech savvy but want an all-in-one setup. Consultants, project managers, and 13 years old internet trolls.
I looked it up, Apple sold a little over 26 million Macs last year whereas they sold over 230 million iPhones in the same year. So there is strong incentive for developers to only focus on the iPhone so they don't have to develop a Mac port for maybe 5 million people as opposed to 50 million people on iPhone (I estimating how many people game on both platforms).
12inch MacBook would never ship with an A series chip, as the M series chips are made specifically for Macs. If anything it would launch with an M1 to hit that lower price point.
valve doesnt see much of an incentive to port to OSX, as what theyve already publically said with counter strike. Apple needs to develop an OSX equivalent of proton, or conceed and allow vulkan to work on their hardware natively to lessen the work on developers. Forcing devs to do it one way and one way only when the market isn't even there will not go anywhere.
Honestly, I don't want one device that I do all my gaming and whatnot on. I enjoy different experiences, whether that be sitting at my desk playing something on my computer or laying in bed playing my ps3
Hardware doesn't matter much. Software and buisness is everything. I thought Nintendo made that clear 15 years ago. Today I'm buying a PS3 equivalent hardware just to play Zelda and Mario kart. Also, Japanese studios don't like US brands
I think instead of putting games on the Mac and that would still be awesome. I think more people would want games on the iPad if the switch can play portal one and two then the iPad should be able to play those type of games because the iPad is more powerful than the switch is more company should bring their games to the iPad steam should port a lot of their games to the iPad I need to see half-life one and two on the iPad and every other device
That’s the thing with these games. If it runs on the Mac it can run on the iPad. I think that’s why they have invested in making controller drivers that work on iOS, iPad and macOS.
Because Gaming needs more anti-consumer companies. You do realized Apples entire market cap is based on how much money they siphon out of consumers? That's their only business. They arent a tech company, they are a money sponge and you all cheering it along is pathetic
I've build a lot of pc's back in the days. But in 2009, i was diagnosed with leukemia and i needed to stay for longer periods in the hospital. So i wanted a good laptop. Back then, Windows laptops were just garbage. (Mostly the battery or the hdd failed.) So i went with a Macbook Pro 15". Once i came home, i bought a 27" Apple cinema display and i was completely sold! I never looked back at Windows computers. (Only up until recently actually.) Because i still love the build part of a Windows computer. I just don't really like the OS experience. But honestly, that really depends on the person! Anyway, i don't see why Apple is "dumb." While they absolutely lack in the gaming departement. They are doing better than any time before! Including even ray-tracing in the iPhone. Something that i absolutely didn't ever see coming. I think in a couple of years, we'll have a completely different conversation. Though, as i've seen the GTA6 trailer online, i don't know if that game would be able to run on the available Mac's in 2025. But that's something we'll have to wait and see i guess!
I used to play the dark knight rises on mobile back in 2012. I used to spend hours on the game even though it was more repetitive than dynasty warriors. I don't know what happened to the dark knight rises mobile game by the gameloft developer. I play bright memory with the backbone controller and bright memory on pc has ray tracing. Bright memory on mobile looks good for a mobile device and I have all the graphics settings maxed out. I'm even playing bright memory in 4k from my sony xperia 1 iv from it's 4k 120 hz oled display. When I sideloaded rainbow 6 mobile, there is no support for game controllers when I googled game controller support according to all forums. I have ark:survival evolved for my 2022 razer blade 15 4k 144 display with the 3080 ti 16gb vram version gaming laptop and the same ark:survival evolved ported with mobile.
I have the most basic M1 MacBook Air you can get and it is fully capable go gaming. I played Minecraft Java and Roblox on here. The problem I see, is that the library of games on Mac is so laughably small, that I don't recommend getting a Mac if you are a PC gamer. I still keep around my Windows laptop, just to play my Steam games and what not(not that I game on a laptop anyways). This lowest spec M1 MacBook Air runs circles around my Windows laptop, yet gets laughed at when you compared sizes(gaming library sizes). This Mac has real potential to make me game on a computer again, but as long as Apple refuses to actually acknowledge developers, I can only recommend getting a Mac if you use Apple's apps or you need battery life. I would love to play all my favorite games on here, but most of them are just not available even through Rosetta. And I don't want to pony up several thousand dollars for a laptop with a "better GPU" only to be immediately outdated in 6 months just for some exclusives that are several years old at this point. Imagine spending that full $7,000 just to play Skyrim but next year you only have to pay $6,900 but you get to play Fallout 4.
apple can easily manufacture the ultimate hand held gaming system, team up with nintendo, sony, or someone else who has the rights to some old awesome games (007 goldeneye) and make it happen. they have the technology.. they should really go face first into the gaming industry.. but they’ll have to create something specifically for gaming
You have a multi billion dollar mobile industry and Apple is watching Microsoft pour money into losing profits. It’s not a big enough return on investment
It's not up to apple if apple becomes a more gaming capable device. Devs have already put PC on the back burner with ports these last few years. I mean there was an 6-8 month stretch between the end of last year and mid-way into this year where literally every single AAA PC port was absolute trash. You really think these already stretched thin developers are going to throw yet another platform on the pile they need to cater to? Not unless apple pays them to or apple goes out of it's way to make that tool a virtually effortless way to put games on apple devices.
Ok hear me out 1500 for a phone is too much I can buy a phone for 450 then buy a laptop for 800 and buy xbox gamepass ultimate and also emulate ps game if I want to simple I saved around 250 bucks which I can spend on anything and buying keyboard and mouse or a switch or just buying a capable second hand pc for 700 or 600 and ditching the laptop
"apple is for gamers" yeah... Just the rich gamers that want to spent hundreds of dollars on a overpriced machine. as a gamer, this will be a life, and still not gonna be worth it
Here's the thing, Apple just wants to repurpose their devices to be makeshift gaming devices. If they're so serious then make hardware or a proper service to compete. Most people who buy a Mac are not gamers. If they were, then they wouldn't buy a Mac. It's not that gamers are missing out on these Apple products, Apple is missing out on selling to gamers. Apple wants to bring more gamers over to their ecosystem. The thing is, a lot of gamers don't ever want to be locked to one ecosystem which is why you see mods, hardware mods, emulation, game streaming, and push back on things like DRM. Apple's philosophy doesn't align with that of gamers or hardcore tech enthusiasts and that's why some will NEVER move over to anything Apple other than maybe an iPhone if they aren't power users. Apple by definition is extremely anti-consumer--probably one of the most anti-consumer companies to ever exist. Now look at Valve; they're the anti-Apple company which is a big reason why the Steam Deck and Steam is loved by so many gamers and tech enthusiasts.
I’d take an iPhone or iPad on my cellphone plan than any gaming setup. It’s more versatile and cheaper. If you’re in the apple echo system, apple is literally just one step away from playing you’re video games anywhere and on any device. The only thing missing now is an Apple TV with the IPhone 15 pro’s chip in it.
@@garrusvakarian8709 Ipads don't have that problem but I mean IOS isn't broken for iPhone if it doesn't support extended display using an external monitor. Dex on phones is still a very niche thing on the android side of things. If gaming starts to pick up for Iphones and Ipads then that will most likely bring extended screen support for Iphones. At least for games.
Just imagine gaming on their magic mouse 😂😂😂, but jokes aside, even if they have the power, the motion rendering and input lag are very bad at least on the Macbook side. I tried game streaming as well on it and even that felt bad af.
Actually, I unironically do this, and the Magic Mouse is legitimately an amazing gaming mouse. The secret is using a glass mousepad and a mod to make it zero friction. It’s actually hilarious because they made an amazing mouse and then made everyone think it’s terrible just because they are so bad at advertising what it actually does well
_The point is not the price_ Spoken like a true Apple fan. They know who they market to and know they are willing to overpay for their products to discourage them to think they need other products.
Mac would have to do several 180s before i even thought twice to buy 1 for gaming just from a upgrade reparability stand point absolutely no thanks those things are designed so u cant mess with them and thats half the fun with a pc is building ur own replacing upgrading components and that just isnt really possible with Apple
If they made different levels of Apple Arcade then they could get around this make it work for everything restriction. Sony seems to be ok with tiers of PS Plus....
personally i dont like having everything linked to one brand/company. thats like an exploit that can end your entire career all at once if something goes bad. and even then, apple is soo blind ri8 now trying to go against windows gaming that by the time they figure it out, android gaming will be a better option thanks to it having vulkan, more gaming featured phones and a larger user base already available. ppl are just waiting for snapdragon to come up with something that can do what the A17 pro can do now but better. the new 8Gen3 thats coming out in flagship phones in the next 6 months with UE5 features such as lumen just screams its time for AAA gaming on android to become a thing. and not just them, samsung also figured out their AMD colab Xeynos SoC and announced their next gen xeynos to have competitive GPU performance. it truely is a great time to see miracles like GTA 5 running natively on a device that is in your pocket.
I have a MacBook Pro with the M2 chipset, and I did get it with the hope that gaming would come to it eventually. I am excited for the Death Stranding release. Also, Kojima is an Apple fan. Look at MGS4. Hal Emmerich uses a MacBook Pro.
Wait, you think Apple pays these developers to appear at the event? And yet for Today at Apple sessions... they pay presenters in Apple products... ANY developer would LOVE to work with Apple to get an early hands-on with upcoming tech releases and then get chosen to appear at an event to present what they've done with it, because of the massive audience that either watches it, or hears about it through recap articles and videos. Getting first out the gate and having this marketing boost is any developer's dream, and Apple knows it... they don't need to pay developer's in that way. They will get a boost in interest and potential buyers of the apps and subscriptions (and then complain about the 30% Apple tax 😆). Clearly Apple used this event to show off what Macs can do for gaming, otherwise they wouldn't have added the same elements from the iPhone processors into the M-chips for ray-tracing, etc. It's up to the developers to update their games for better performance on MacOS. They're probably still playing catch-up from iOS work when iPhone added this power. But better update quickly -- gotta be early out of the gate before others.
Serious Question Here: (The iCar that may or may not be in development aside) If Steve Jobs came back from the dead and met with Tim Cook he would say what? (Leave Your Thoughts Here) about Apple's recent "innovation/ recent game changing products".
I imagine he'd recognize how much TC has grown apple and go back to his dirtnap without comment. What was Apple's market cap and share at the moment Jobs ate it versus today?
Apple gaming is a complete joke in macOS. You get a crippled version of w(h)ine or a steam environment that can only run games developed for the mac. It is one of the reason I have built myself a gaming rig that dwarfs my M2 MAX. I got rid of all my consoles and now just have the MBP and a fabulous gaming rig.
never use my phone as gaming divice I have s23 ultra is awsome and powerfull for gaming but I get ayaneo odin 2 becuase I dont want kill my battery life I get Switch becuse I want zelda metroid I have iPad pro m2 and pay for resident evil 8 on it but I dont play games on that was dumb I pay for 2 years old game I had on PS5
OK, as a true Apple Head since the Mid 90's and an Apple Tech (PROFESSIONALLY, Not an wet behind the ears Genius Bar "tool") since 1999, the M1 with all its Apple Silicon talk is in fact just talk, Talk, TALK, TALK. TALK, because for all it's incredible "POTENTIAL", its downfall is in the sheer total lack of RAM and no amount of bullshit talk WILL EVER negate the fact that THERE IS SIMPLY ZERO SUBSTITUTE FOR PHYSICAL RAM!!!! Shame on Tim Cook and whatever TOOL at Apple THOUGHT that 8GB should have even been offered in 2022, and that even 16GB was adequate with the memory REQUIREMENTS of hungry Applications today!!! IDK why you guys and LTT aren't lighting this total lack of Ram "fire" under Apple's ass and highlighting how this is the real CRIPPLING issue with Apple's last 3 Generations of computers.
Apple OK plus Apple TV needs to be the thing make the Apple TV become a little game console like a Xbox series s A Windows nook, and they’re off to the races
$1500 phone or $500 for PS5/Xbox Series X, $400 on the Steam Deck, $300 on the Switch, $1500 on a good PC. Yeah I know where my money is going. Apple and Gaming just don't work.
Well what phone are you using?
@@TheHarris619lrrelevant
@@androiduser7871 how is that irrelevant, that's literally the point they are making 😵💫 if you already have an iPhone 15 can't hurt that it's now your Xbox/switch/steam deck
For real lol stop lying Austin you rich white boy you ain’t over apple until apple is over you
@@TheHarris619 Irrelevent and delusional
He said for 300$ or more you can buy a decent gaming device why would any sane one who want a gaming device pay 5 times the price for an iphknphone
I think the SSD/Ram upgrades should be cheaper. $1600.00 for a macbook pro with 8gb of ram first of all is insane but then charging us another $200.00 is like so not cool
They are making us pay to future proof the device basically.... The Ram should be so damn expensive and neither should storage.... absolutely outrageous.
Especially considering you have to make your choice at checkout cos you can't upgrade it later. But at this point, their lowest end specs really shouldn't even be a thing now. 8gb RAM shouldn't be the minimum any more - 16Gb should be. And a 512Gb drive? Seriously? We've had multi-terabyte drives for _so long_ now, that 1Tb absolutely SHOULD be the lowest spec it's possible to get at this point in time, hell I could even argue it should be 2Tb minimum. Then again, I'm also of the opinion that computer monitors shouldn't be 1080p any more and games shouldn't be designed/coded to target that resolution either - that resolution shouldn't even be an _option_ for anyone to chose, 1440p should be the new lowest-end spec you can possibly get. About time we all moved on and raised the lower floor up a level considering just how ancient all these lowest-end specs really are and how long we've had the higher-end stuff for.
For me, 512Gb hard drives, 8GB RAM and 1080p monitors/screens is the equivalent of signing up to a streaming service, and because you chose the cheapest monthly subscription they ship you out a VHS player and VHS tapes. It just doesn't make any logical sense to keep those lowest end specs still going when we've had better for so long, and pushing up the lowest floor not only offers a better experience all-round, it also encourages the highest floors to be advanced more as well.
@@DavidStruveDesigns Your argument from the consumer side makes so much sense and I agree whole heartedly. Everyone in 2023 just has so much digital Bagged that 1TB should be the lowest storage spec.
However Apple Gotta make their money somehow and they choose too do it by making you pay to future proof your device.
I think they will have to start increasing the floor here soon because M1 was just so Good that people aren't finding a reason to upgrade anymore and a new color and chip ain't it!
@@yellowdrangon The problem is, it's really _not_ "future proof" at all. Cos after a few years Apple devices "mysteriously" start slowing down and failing. With OS updates older tech outright doesn't get them or it performs _awfully_ on that hardware, and newer software acts sluggish on older hardware too. The last Apple product I bought was an iPad (I forget the generation, it might have been a 2nd or 3rd Gen) but I had terrible timing and they'd come out with the latest generation a few months later (which was I think now 2 generations above?) - despite it being a brand new iPad and only a couple of years out of date it suddenly slowed down massively, wouldn't charge all the way despite the brand-new battery and eventually after about five months ownership it stopped working altogether. And it absolutely refused to download and install the latest OS which got a brand new version with the new model release. When I got a tech repair shop to check it out, they said the hardware was still perfect and it was being slowed by software and OS updates. So yeah the lowest end spec makes _no sense_ and forcing upgrades the way they do is unfair ESPECIALLY because their devices won't last for the lifespan of the _hardware_ inside.
This video just makes not want any apple products even more then I did before watching this
Same. Only problem is I'm poor
??? You can literally play lies of p at 4k on a macbook now with good fps, it should make you want it even more since even though they may be slow now, they'll eventually be more gaming oriented
It's NOT that the machines are slow, is that they lack the RAM to open up all of it's said capabilities. EVERYTHING bottlenecks at the RAM and until Apple doesn't offer 32GB as the base standard configuration, you will get lag. Drop in 64GB+ of Ram and it's a whole different world for Apple machines and Timmy boy is simply dropping the ball in that regard.@@OmniKoneko
@@OmniKonekowhat if I want to play another game?
@@bandito241 Have patience for more releases in the future, just like linux it has to go through the process
I can see this going the same way as Stadia did
yeah its too late now gaming has long lost its novelty and financial people will only look at the profit and greed, so yeah there is no way it is going to work starting so late, maybe if they buy valve or at least partner with them hmm maybe
@@juki6377there is nothing like an iPhone or iPad right now for the mobile gaming market. More powerful? Yes but not in comparison to the M2 iPad Pro with 16gb. Power efficient with no active cooling? Absolutely not. Can get on your phone plan like iPhones and iPad? No
@@TylerKhan I don't understand what you're trying to tell me. By games I meant like PC or console games not mobile if that helps. It's not just about power its the whole support and infrastructure behind it. You might have something powerful but for whatever reason if there are no Devs or compatibility is an issue you can be running big blue you won't go far
I wish Apple had a premium version of Apple Arcade which was $10 a month where they added 3rd party games at no additional cost like RE8, Assassin Creed, Division,etc. I would definitely get RE8 for the Mac/iPhone , but not for $60 when I can get it for $20 on Xbox,PS5, and Steam. Turn Apple Arcade into a gamepass competitor and I'll be all in
GeForce Now is on MacOS.
They can start by paying rockstar to bring Grand Theft Auto 6 to Apple Macs. That would be a huge good step in the right direction.
Isn't it a bit too late? I guess it depends on which stage of development the game is in, but if it is already well in, you're doing GPT stuff anyway
Man if they could Bring GTA6 to Mac.....it would be Amazing!
@@_shreyash_anand Nah Rockstar releases on console then ports to pc around a year to a year and a half later.
I have the M1 Mac and I am extremely happy with so far. I’ve had a few years now and haven’t had any reason to upgrade
Bet the reason why developers don't want to make games for Mac is because apple wants a huge cut of the money they would make plus upfront licensing just like on iPhones with the app store.
An iphone screen is just too small for a AAA game.
Also, I don’t trust that if I pay a 60€ game on the app store, that it’ll still be downloadable in a couple years. So many apps I paid good money for in the past are just gone.
I mean the Switch and Steamdeck are the same or slightly smaller than the larger iPhone, and you can always dock all of them when you actually want a full screen
Apple is too expensive. They gotta start at 500 - 700 for a macbook with all these gaming features.
The thing with macOS is not that it’s bad, is that nobody uses it worldwide. I think it has not even hit that 20% total user share.
That’s why Steam invested that much in Wine and ProtonDb. They can’t fight Windows so why not make it compatible with another platform?
Also a large portion of the users have base level hardware where even Gpu is trashed by discrete Gpus not to talk about that 8gb of shared ram/vram...
Games should also release on Mac, but in the same way they release on consoles. Have locked down quality etc settings and only unlock the ability to change resolution and a high/low fidelity slider.
Why
Eew. If that's your endgame don't bother.
@@AstonGryffynn Why? For simplicity sake they should be treated like consoles. Since there is such a small spread in performance it'd be easy to optimize and lock down, juuuust like a console.
thats actually smart. allowing devs to extract more performance than comparable pc specs
the problem is not the performance, but the code, porting for mac is a fucking nightmare
Apple is just too expensive... Not very practical tbh
8:06 me rewinding to see how matt drinks
This is one of those things I couldn't help but read and realize that I've never cared to pay attention to something like that but I have a strange feeling you just created a future habit. You bastard.
@@Butt_Muffinlol thanks
The more versatility for a $1200 device the better imo
problems solved if they just bring back bootcamp
Gaming is expensive enough without getting apple involved
Honestly If Nintendo had their gaming library available on iPhone I probably Would buy the Max iPhone for a bigger screen and around device.
This is what I want Apple to do with their iPads only have the iPad Pro the iPad mini, the regular iPad no iPad Air and then with their AirPods they only have the AirPods 3 AirPods Pro 2 and AirPods, Max and no AirPods 2 and with their computers, only have the M2 MacBook Air, and get rid of the MacBook Air with M1 get rid of the iMac and then keep the Mac mini the Mac studio and then the biggest desktop Mac they make get rid of that only have 4 models of Apple computers and also get rid of the iPad 9th generation
Reduce the price of Mac computers to be more in-line with high end Windows gaming PCs and work with publishers to ensure better compatibility / optimization with MacOS and you got a pretty viable gaming machine on your hands. Only downside is I assume you cant do dual monitors on Mac unless you're plugging in your Macbook to a monitor but that wouldn't look like the best dual monitor setup
Sadly it's the pay to play nonsense that keeps me far, far, FAR away from phone gaming (Android and Apple). AAA titles are desperately needed to make that work...and everyone is falling on their respective faces not doing this. Two or three AAA titles do not make a gaming experience on my iPhone realistic, and limiting it to just the 15 Pro just to do it in the first place..... no, just no. This needs to be taken seriously, and it isn't from anyone on both sides of the aisle here, and until they do, Switch/Steam, etc. are still the only way to go.
How do you think an SSD ages when its constantly blasted with write cycles by shuffling big games around ? It will die very timely and since the NAND chips are directly soldered on the mainboard this would magically transform the mac computer into e waste and a paper weight... + the storage & RAM upgrades sold by apple are simple way too expensive to encourage any gamers that would need those configs...
I already owned RE: Village and had access to Lies of P through Game Pass, but I bought both of the AppStore versions just to show support for games coming to the platform.
You are what is wrong with the world hahah😢
Ah yes buying to support poor Devs.....
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Always preferred Pear myself
The one and ONLY time I was ever able to play any PC games was on my 2013 Macbook Pro. (at least the games they supported at the time) they have a ton of potential branch out to the gaming market, but...this ain't it chief lol
Matt: intro ideas for this video austin?
Austin: *motorboats a couple times*
I played the New Resident Evil Village on my M1 Pro 16gb and it ran like a dream! I also play LOL on my Mac and it also runs very smooth 110+fps. I just wish there were more games available...
The reason gamers dont want to game on a mac is, if I wanted a console, I'd buy a ps5. I don't want a console as a computer.
all apple needs to do to get the gamer market easily in their pocket, is to work with valve to integrate the steam library for metal compatibility. that, and add valves' anti cheat engine, and they're good
It would probably cost Apple their "appstore tax" to make this deal and they wont give that up
Valve doesn’t want to work with Apple now though, mainly because Apple dropped 32-bit which decimated their game library to Valves annoyance, and also refusing to support vulkan. It also highlighted to Valve that Apple could not be trusted to not just throw devs the towel whenever it wanted.
Dropping vulkan support was needles if anything. I mean sure, have your metal or whatever, but why bother removing an industry standard (which was already working) just to force the use of metal.
It’s crazy because when I want to download a free app and I’m unfortunate enough to have a negative balance on my card I can’t even do that. Screw Apple.
I would say the iPhone is a switch competitor with better specs except my mom doesn't try to facetime me on my switch. The single biggest downside to your phone being your gaming device (especially to hook it up to the TV with a dock/dongle) is that then you can't use it as your phone. No texting while ur gaming. If you have a phone AND a macbook already (which less people do than just iphones) and your save progress picks up instantly between them and you can run your laptop to a TV and connect a controller to that and then use a backbone with the phone on the go the maybe (maybe).
i dont think i know any there plays on a mac or any apple produkts
They just need native vulkan support
I will absolutely integrate with the apple ecosystem if I can play my games. I will buy an iPhone with airpods and get a MacBook and just dock it for games
The best modern Apple computer products for most people are:
M3 Max 16 inch for extreme users of their iGPU. Examples: Machine Learning, engineering CAD, medical imaging, or extreme video editing.
M3 Pro MacBook Pro 14/16 inch for professional with medium to high CPU use. Examples: Programmers, regular video/photo editors, DJs, and sound engineers.
M2/M3 Air for non-professionals or professionals with light CPU use. Examples: Data analysts using Tableau, sales reps, traveling journalists, and middle/high school students.
M2/M3 Mac Mini for professionals that want a customized home desktop setup.
24-inch iMac for kids and people that are not tech savvy but want an all-in-one setup. Consultants, project managers, and 13 years old internet trolls.
I looked it up, Apple sold a little over 26 million Macs last year whereas they sold over 230 million iPhones in the same year. So there is strong incentive for developers to only focus on the iPhone so they don't have to develop a Mac port for maybe 5 million people as opposed to 50 million people on iPhone (I estimating how many people game on both platforms).
12inch MacBook would never ship with an A series chip, as the M series chips are made specifically for Macs. If anything it would launch with an M1 to hit that lower price point.
GTA on Mac would be incredible, doubt we’ll see it.
I've been over them since Steve Jobs passed away
Austin's intro reminded me of an excited pigeon.
Simply Mac needs to partner with steam. Instantly have access to steams library and boom you're ready to go it's also beneficial to both companies.
valve doesnt see much of an incentive to port to OSX, as what theyve already publically said with counter strike. Apple needs to develop an OSX equivalent of proton, or conceed and allow vulkan to work on their hardware natively to lessen the work on developers. Forcing devs to do it one way and one way only when the market isn't even there will not go anywhere.
Guaranty Apple would want a huge cut and they would want to control Steam... No deal.
Honestly, I don't want one device that I do all my gaming and whatnot on. I enjoy different experiences, whether that be sitting at my desk playing something on my computer or laying in bed playing my ps3
You forget the life hack of Bluetooth your wireless controller to your iPhone and bam if you want to game on your phone
Hardware doesn't matter much. Software and buisness is everything. I thought Nintendo made that clear 15 years ago. Today I'm buying a PS3 equivalent hardware just to play Zelda and Mario kart. Also, Japanese studios don't like US brands
Trying to argue with a narcissist saying that they are better than others, is losing game.
Apple.Colt can't think outside of the box.
Apple is crazy...
Apple would love to be in gaming. It's the Devs who do not see it as viable. Blame them.
Bug part of why it is not viable for devs is Apple.
Bring on the PIPPIN 2😂😂🙌🏿❤💯
I think instead of putting games on the Mac and that would still be awesome. I think more people would want games on the iPad if the switch can play portal one and two then the iPad should be able to play those type of games because the iPad is more powerful than the switch is more company should bring their games to the iPad steam should port a lot of their games to the iPad I need to see half-life one and two on the iPad and every other device
That’s the thing with these games. If it runs on the Mac it can run on the iPad. I think that’s why they have invested in making controller drivers that work on iOS, iPad and macOS.
@@bandito241 well, then bring more games over I need half-life, one and two on my iPad yesterday
Because Gaming needs more anti-consumer companies. You do realized Apples entire market cap is based on how much money they siphon out of consumers? That's their only business. They arent a tech company, they are a money sponge and you all cheering it along is pathetic
I've build a lot of pc's back in the days. But in 2009, i was diagnosed with leukemia and i needed to stay for longer periods in the hospital. So i wanted a good laptop. Back then, Windows laptops were just garbage. (Mostly the battery or the hdd failed.) So i went with a Macbook Pro 15". Once i came home, i bought a 27" Apple cinema display and i was completely sold! I never looked back at Windows computers. (Only up until recently actually.) Because i still love the build part of a Windows computer. I just don't really like the OS experience. But honestly, that really depends on the person!
Anyway, i don't see why Apple is "dumb." While they absolutely lack in the gaming departement. They are doing better than any time before! Including even ray-tracing in the iPhone. Something that i absolutely didn't ever see coming. I think in a couple of years, we'll have a completely different conversation. Though, as i've seen the GTA6 trailer online, i don't know if that game would be able to run on the available Mac's in 2025. But that's something we'll have to wait and see i guess!
I used to play the dark knight rises on mobile back in 2012. I used to spend hours on the game even though it was more repetitive than dynasty warriors. I don't know what happened to the dark knight rises mobile game by the gameloft developer. I play bright memory with the backbone controller and bright memory on pc has ray tracing. Bright memory on mobile looks good for a mobile device and I have all the graphics settings maxed out. I'm even playing bright memory in 4k from my sony xperia 1 iv from it's 4k 120 hz oled display. When I sideloaded rainbow 6 mobile, there is no support for game controllers when I googled game controller support according to all forums. I have ark:survival evolved for my 2022 razer blade 15 4k 144 display with the 3080 ti 16gb vram version gaming laptop and the same ark:survival evolved ported with mobile.
I have the most basic M1 MacBook Air you can get and it is fully capable go gaming. I played Minecraft Java and Roblox on here. The problem I see, is that the library of games on Mac is so laughably small, that I don't recommend getting a Mac if you are a PC gamer. I still keep around my Windows laptop, just to play my Steam games and what not(not that I game on a laptop anyways).
This lowest spec M1 MacBook Air runs circles around my Windows laptop, yet gets laughed at when you compared sizes(gaming library sizes). This Mac has real potential to make me game on a computer again, but as long as Apple refuses to actually acknowledge developers, I can only recommend getting a Mac if you use Apple's apps or you need battery life.
I would love to play all my favorite games on here, but most of them are just not available even through Rosetta. And I don't want to pony up several thousand dollars for a laptop with a "better GPU" only to be immediately outdated in 6 months just for some exclusives that are several years old at this point. Imagine spending that full $7,000 just to play Skyrim but next year you only have to pay $6,900 but you get to play Fallout 4.
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apple can easily manufacture the ultimate hand held gaming system, team up with nintendo, sony, or someone else who has the rights to some old awesome games (007 goldeneye) and make it happen. they have the technology.. they should really go face first into the gaming industry.. but they’ll have to create something specifically for gaming
The only problem is, apple isn't really into going headfirst into new categories, other than MAYbe the vision pro.
Calm down
You have a multi billion dollar mobile industry and Apple is watching Microsoft pour money into losing profits.
It’s not a big enough return on investment
Increasing the 4GB app store size limit would be helpful to devs aswell
It's not up to apple if apple becomes a more gaming capable device. Devs have already put PC on the back burner with ports these last few years. I mean there was an 6-8 month stretch between the end of last year and mid-way into this year where literally every single AAA PC port was absolute trash. You really think these already stretched thin developers are going to throw yet another platform on the pile they need to cater to? Not unless apple pays them to or apple goes out of it's way to make that tool a virtually effortless way to put games on apple devices.
Ok hear me out 1500 for a phone is too much I can buy a phone for 450 then buy a laptop for 800 and buy xbox gamepass ultimate and also emulate ps game if I want to simple I saved around 250 bucks which I can spend on anything and buying keyboard and mouse or a switch or just buying a capable second hand pc for 700 or 600 and ditching the laptop
"apple is for gamers" yeah... Just the rich gamers that want to spent hundreds of dollars on a overpriced machine. as a gamer, this will be a life, and still not gonna be worth it
$1000 trash phone
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$1000 flip phone
Here's the thing, Apple just wants to repurpose their devices to be makeshift gaming devices. If they're so serious then make hardware or a proper service to compete. Most people who buy a Mac are not gamers. If they were, then they wouldn't buy a Mac. It's not that gamers are missing out on these Apple products, Apple is missing out on selling to gamers. Apple wants to bring more gamers over to their ecosystem. The thing is, a lot of gamers don't ever want to be locked to one ecosystem which is why you see mods, hardware mods, emulation, game streaming, and push back on things like DRM. Apple's philosophy doesn't align with that of gamers or hardcore tech enthusiasts and that's why some will NEVER move over to anything Apple other than maybe an iPhone if they aren't power users. Apple by definition is extremely anti-consumer--probably one of the most anti-consumer companies to ever exist. Now look at Valve; they're the anti-Apple company which is a big reason why the Steam Deck and Steam is loved by so many gamers and tech enthusiasts.
Just finished playing Cyberpunk for the last 3 hours for the first time!!
I’d take an iPhone or iPad on my cellphone plan than any gaming setup. It’s more versatile and cheaper. If you’re in the apple echo system, apple is literally just one step away from playing you’re video games anywhere and on any device. The only thing missing now is an Apple TV with the IPhone 15 pro’s chip in it.
@@garrusvakarian8709 Ipads don't have that problem but I mean IOS isn't broken for iPhone if it doesn't support extended display using an external monitor. Dex on phones is still a very niche thing on the android side of things. If gaming starts to pick up for Iphones and Ipads then that will most likely bring extended screen support for Iphones. At least for games.
Just imagine gaming on their magic mouse 😂😂😂, but jokes aside, even if they have the power, the motion rendering and input lag are very bad at least on the Macbook side. I tried game streaming as well on it and even that felt bad af.
Actually, I unironically do this, and the Magic Mouse is legitimately an amazing gaming mouse. The secret is using a glass mousepad and a mod to make it zero friction. It’s actually hilarious because they made an amazing mouse and then made everyone think it’s terrible just because they are so bad at advertising what it actually does well
Who's Tem?
Anker has done very good things with their speakers. Same with their headphones. And cheap to boot. 5:40
_The point is not the price_
Spoken like a true Apple fan.
They know who they market to and know they are willing to overpay for their products to discourage them to think they need other products.
Austin's smile gives me life
They are utilizing all their yield of chips
Mac would have to do several 180s before i even thought twice to buy 1 for gaming just from a upgrade reparability stand point absolutely no thanks those things are designed so u cant mess with them and thats half the fun with a pc is building ur own replacing upgrading components and that just isnt really possible with Apple
Because they don't sponsor your youtube channel....... Like Microsoft
If they made different levels of Apple Arcade then they could get around this make it work for everything restriction. Sony seems to be ok with tiers of PS Plus....
personally i dont like having everything linked to one brand/company. thats like an exploit that can end your entire career all at once if something goes bad. and even then, apple is soo blind ri8 now trying to go against windows gaming that by the time they figure it out, android gaming will be a better option thanks to it having vulkan, more gaming featured phones and a larger user base already available. ppl are just waiting for snapdragon to come up with something that can do what the A17 pro can do now but better. the new 8Gen3 thats coming out in flagship phones in the next 6 months with UE5 features such as lumen just screams its time for AAA gaming on android to become a thing. and not just them, samsung also figured out their AMD colab Xeynos SoC and announced their next gen xeynos to have competitive GPU performance. it truely is a great time to see miracles like GTA 5 running natively on a device that is in your pocket.
I have a MacBook Pro with the M2 chipset, and I did get it with the hope that gaming would come to it eventually. I am excited for the Death Stranding release. Also, Kojima is an Apple fan. Look at MGS4. Hal Emmerich uses a MacBook Pro.
Wait, you think Apple pays these developers to appear at the event? And yet for Today at Apple sessions... they pay presenters in Apple products... ANY developer would LOVE to work with Apple to get an early hands-on with upcoming tech releases and then get chosen to appear at an event to present what they've done with it, because of the massive audience that either watches it, or hears about it through recap articles and videos. Getting first out the gate and having this marketing boost is any developer's dream, and Apple knows it... they don't need to pay developer's in that way. They will get a boost in interest and potential buyers of the apps and subscriptions (and then complain about the 30% Apple tax 😆). Clearly Apple used this event to show off what Macs can do for gaming, otherwise they wouldn't have added the same elements from the iPhone processors into the M-chips for ray-tracing, etc. It's up to the developers to update their games for better performance on MacOS. They're probably still playing catch-up from iOS work when iPhone added this power. But better update quickly -- gotta be early out of the gate before others.
Serious Question Here: (The iCar that may or may not be in development aside) If Steve Jobs came back from the dead and met with Tim Cook he would say what? (Leave Your Thoughts Here) about Apple's recent "innovation/ recent game changing products".
I imagine he'd recognize how much TC has grown apple and go back to his dirtnap without comment. What was Apple's market cap and share at the moment Jobs ate it versus today?
Until Apple spends 5-10 billion on gaming it will have to place on Mac’s
8GB ram M3 is a good buy.
If Apple could use their capital to build a partnership with valve they would instantly be at the top of the food chain
Just run bootcamp
Is there anyone more overrated in the gaming industry than Hideo Kojima
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Apple gaming is a complete joke in macOS. You get a crippled version of w(h)ine or a steam environment that can only run games developed for the mac. It is one of the reason I have built myself a gaming rig that dwarfs my M2 MAX. I got rid of all my consoles and now just have the MBP and a fabulous gaming rig.
MAC is too cool to pander to the nerds, geeks and tinkerers LOL
Apple blows
Gamers talk alotmof talk but they really don’t buy like that Apple has to get studios/developers
Apple should buy Atari since it was Steve Jobs first job and they make there own chips and build a console to take on Sony Nintendo and Microsoft
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never use my phone as gaming divice I have s23 ultra is awsome and powerfull for gaming but I get ayaneo odin 2 becuase I dont want kill my battery life I get Switch becuse I want zelda metroid I have iPad pro m2 and pay for resident evil 8 on it but I dont play games on that was dumb I pay for 2 years old game I had on PS5
hi im kyle the dbag
Apple is going to need to buy publishers or spend heavy on getting Metal3 support lmfaoooo
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For the price of a mac, i could buy a decent phone and a great gaming pc. A whole setup even. Just give up. Apple isnt for games. Its just to flex
the last thing i want is apple near the gaming industry. that's what we need, overpriced apple exclusives. no thank you.
OK, as a true Apple Head since the Mid 90's and an Apple Tech (PROFESSIONALLY, Not an wet behind the ears Genius Bar "tool") since 1999, the M1 with all its Apple Silicon talk is in fact just talk, Talk, TALK, TALK. TALK, because for all it's incredible "POTENTIAL", its downfall is in the sheer total lack of RAM and no amount of bullshit talk WILL EVER negate the fact that THERE IS SIMPLY ZERO SUBSTITUTE FOR PHYSICAL RAM!!!!
Shame on Tim Cook and whatever TOOL at Apple THOUGHT that 8GB should have even been offered in 2022, and that even 16GB was adequate with the memory REQUIREMENTS of hungry Applications today!!!
IDK why you guys and LTT aren't lighting this total lack of Ram "fire" under Apple's ass and highlighting how this is the real CRIPPLING issue with Apple's last 3 Generations of computers.
Potato
Apple OK plus Apple TV needs to be the thing make the Apple TV become a little game console like a Xbox series s A Windows nook, and they’re off to the races