Do you want to invest into the new summon-meta (/remembrance) get Sunday. Are you already invested into break and want a replacement/addition for Harmony MC (MC will get a new path and maybe you don't want to or can't switch between the two)? Then get Fugue. The decision is pretty easy in my opinion, because Sunday and Fugue are so different.
E2S1 Firefly and E1S1 Rappa. I lost the choice a while ago, need Fugu to complete the team. Now it feels like no new dps will compare without money investment
Except if you want a replacement for HMC, aka RMC, and pulled for Fugue it would mean "you want to invest into the new summon-meta (/remembrance)". So you get Sunday. But if you get Sunday without pulling for a replacement for HMC... And the loop continues. This argument is so dumb lol.
@@acupoflatte8594 the thing is we don't know how busted is RTB gonna be. investing on fugue you can play at least 2 break teams in the challenge game modes(MOC,AS,PF) on the other hand, getting sunday will make you either play break(no fugue, forced to play HTB) or summon team[swapping HTB to RTB denying your break team because no fugue](if you don't have jing yuan or topaz, you just griefed yourself) so you'll need to use your pull funds again to get a character that has summons. this is assuming you can only get 1 limited in that patch. but if you can get both then good for you.
1.0 Jing Yuan main here, my king gets whatever he wants for carrying me until Penacony 😂 but also, Sunday feels like he will have longer term story relevance for a while so I’m curious to see what they’ll do with HSR Jesus LMAO I get that Jing Yuan is not the most competitive but he’s so reliable for me and I’m not interested in getting any other lightning dps because he already does everything I need. Imo it’s been fun getting different supports and sub dps and tailoring them to fit the different kinds of battles I encounter. Like I may have both Feixiao and Firefly and can thoughtlessly throw them into tough content, but our good old dozing general makes it fun for me by letting me playing into various styles. That he’s my only consistent AoE damage dealer is also a plus since I don’t usually get the same satisfaction with other teams and large waves have been getting troublesome these days. That, and his constant buff history is still funniest thing to me. Just like how he has been serving so long as the general of the Luofu and returns to the story, he continues to be dragged into relevance by the devs. Can’t help it when he’s such a popular character 😂
FINALLY🎉, someone who understands me and my love for the General. Haven't stopped using since the first day I pulled him when his banner dropped. I've also been waiting for Sunday for so long.
I think both characters are going to age like fine wine much like Topaz, reason being is how they benefit their respective team archetypes in significant ways while drawing from what older supports laid out previously. Sunday will have more prominence because of the Remembrance Path yes, but Fugue I feel will go under the radar and be underrated like Topaz over time I feel. Both very valuable characters overall!
I was also thinking this way b4.. But it came to me that, what if when her rerun comes, there will be better characters on her rerun.. 😢😢 But if you're really focusing to a certain meta.. Then definitely you'll not be baited with the new characters..
I have e2 Acheron and wanted Fugue because I missed Jiao. I also have the FART team except topaz. Now I’m just trying to see which new team is best investing into.
I think the situation is similar to Genshin 3.0: Dendro Traveller was a good character because at that time we didn't have other good dendro options. Now few people play them. I personally think Remembrance Trailblazer will be a good character but they will fall out probably around 3.2, since they won't probably release remembrance character each patch. So the problem comes to this: are you willing to pull for Fugue, who will replace HMC in the next couple months, upgrading your break dps, only for her to fall out once we get another good summon dps, or are you willing to pull for her no matter what, upgrading your break team but giving up on the next best harmony for future patches?
are you sure all remembrance going to be hypercarry archetype? remembrance mc might be the next meta defining char like harmony mc but if remembrance mc is going to be good with sunday its a big W for one who full for sunday. We still dont have any idea next meta is hypercarry or something to do with herta if she going to be as good as acheron. They introduce too many new archetype now sunday/ rmc /herta
Break team is still going to be useful, summon aren't going to invalidate it. In fact, we're in for some serious trouble if summon/remembrance is ever the only "valid" attack type.
i always stick to “Do not buy the promise of what something could be. Buy it for what it is today” and i think its still a valid quote to this day. i never pull characters for its future potential because i often end up regretting it (silver wolf for example lmao)
Topaz is the antithesis to what you are saying, and remembrance is inevitable with agleae, rmc, fate collaboration characters- you can't ignore blatant signs, especially since they want to sell gameplay people don't have, whereas fugue has replacements, especially with invested ruan mei
Also skipping sunday He's not very useful atm as jingyuan is the only one who benefits the most from him Currently Fugue have way more value as break teams is still meta for PF or AS Superbreak will forever be useful especially on AS where you NEED to break to gain the AV and energy.
fair point about Topaz, but i got her on her re-run. Like i got Ruan Mei on her rerun with Firefly, and Robin on her rerun with Feixiao. If you save enough and have self control it's not that bad to skip and wait two or three patches.
Me pulling for both cuz they are both future proof... Break is like DOT. It is such a core mechanic it will never go away. Summons looks like a future meta that will only get more powerful.
It's much safer to wait for a Sundays rerun. We don't know how many of the summon characters are even hypercarries, and for all we know the 3.X harmonies are dual servant buffers and we have another situation like Robin powercreeping Sparkle.
Yup, it's a pretty safe bet to take in assuming that they'll rerun him when the meta summon character is released, and being able to look at other options while waiting for the rerun is always good.
Looking at a precedent which is Ruan Mei who is at the time, a support unit who hasn't reached her full potential until 2.x break/sb teams came out, and also released at the patch before the new version, I think it's relatively safe to say that Sunday would also reach his full potential with the 3.x summon teams, with the remembrance units.
@@kiel127 Using Ruan Mei as an example, she reran half a patch after Boothill and on the same patch as Firefly and that gives a far better picture of her place in the meta. RM's value was always skewed at launch because she was the first limited harmony and was busted in comparison to Asta/Hanya/Yukong.
I'm running two Break teams right now with FF and Boothill, so there's only really one choice for me in 2.7. Grabbing Fugue would give me an opening to run RMC on a future summon team that I'll set-up. I'll grab Sunday on his rerun or a possible Robin version of his (AOE summon buffer) later down the line together with a Summon DPS, but for now, I'll bank on my Break teams.
Same here, its so high the chance for a rerun for Sunday very soon in a 3.2, I prefer to focus on Fugue and complete this cycle for break teams. Also I want Herta so Sunday gonna wait for a next time.
Wow, we have same idea. I want to create 2 break team too. The one is mono fire FF team (with future fugue, I hope I can get her) , the other is dazling rainbow Rappa team.
@@ak-sony Yeah also if Hoyo releases the eventual Acheron-level summon DPS, they'll likely rerun Sunday, assuming he's still BiS at that time for the summon meta, so I'll just grab him and that character then RMC could be part of that team, depending if they mesh together. That way Fugue can still help my break team power through end game stuff even if I'm using RMC now on my summon team. It could also help me save as much as I can to splurge on that DPS and Sunday/A harmony for summon
@@DestaLosta Yeah Rappa is probably Fugue's best team together with Boothill, so you'll probably notice a significant increase in performance if you have her running with Rappa. I'm personally thinking of running her with my Boothill team. I'm thinking of splurging and grabbing her E1 which has break efficiency buff to put her in my Boothill team, then run Bronya so that way Boothill will have the break efficiency buff, exo-toughness, and superbreak, without having to move Ruan Mei from my FF team to my Boothill team.
personally i'm not letting my regret of not pulling ruan mei in 1.6 happen to me again with sunday and the summon meta. with every new region everyone will have a few characters they'll rly like and wna pull and being locked out of building those teams properly w/o the staple harmony character rly sucks,, so sunday it is!! I'm sick of break meta too even as a boothill main lmao
@@NeverClimbingBecause there are a lot of vocally annoying people that **really** don't like break and insults everyone who is remotely associating with it. The HP bump in the latest MOC? Break's fault. Why there are so many new relic sets catering to one or two characters? Break's fault. Why there aren't a lot of new 4*s? Break's fault.
@@starless0021 And there it is. The proof to the pudding lmao. MOC HP buffs aren't due to break alone it's due the insane power creep happening in the game. Break is a symptom, not the cause. There are new relic sets that cater to one or two characters only as that *is* the way to make players continually grind for these things. Every single Mihoyo gacha with a gear system has this issue. The longer the game runs, the more Mihoyo demands you specialize. Whether that be HI3'd Stigmata, or HSR's relics. Again, break is a symptom, not the cause. Lastly, people attribute the lack of 4*s due to how easily break powers up basic hits. People point to Gallagher, and how a 4* can have single target hits that rival a DPS. "On a break team, everyone can deal damage". Except again, symptom, not cause. Mihoyo doesn't want to accidentally make a god tier 4* ever again, as it would rival 5* sales. Even if it wasn't true, you saw how Gallagher's presence influenced Lingsha's reception. They don't want that.
@@acupoflatte8594I didn't accuse break units for it. I said it's *likely* lmao. And what's this about not being broken 4* after gallegoat. Bro like moze e6 is almost 1:1 substitute for topaz with e0s0 (except topaz generate 1-2 more stacks for Fx in Robin comp). And same goes for HM7th (free unit and e6 btw). Now I get it that they are specifically for fua comps but that doesn't discredit the fact that they produce almost same output to 5* counterparts. And let's be honest and be specific, people don't blame break for hp inflation of bosses it's Firefly specifically. Never have I heard it's break or boothill, rappa. Because they think that bh = hunt = bad and rappa = erudition= pf unit, leaving ff the only one to take the fall.
I think so too that it is going to that path.. Since the summons can either Break, DOT, FUA or any other meta we had.. So simply it is an upgrade of previous metas..
Both nihility/harmony have somewhat same value, Both are in support role and its really hard to weigh between the two, but yea: - Current: Fugue - Future: Sunday Hoyo will defintely going to sell Remembrance hard because summons can be anything (dps, specialists, amplifiers and sustains). So remembrance might be a generalized path that can pair with any path without restrictions, you literally have +1 (total of 5 members now)
My plan is to pull on Sunday until about two 10-pulls from pity, if I get him then I will have enough jades for Fugue, if not, well I still have pity built up. Fugue is the best pull for my account right now, so she is coming home.
Right now my account has what I need for Follow up. So I'm done investing for a good while there. Because I happened to pick up Ruan mei once upon a time, and because I happened to pull Himeko on standard (who served as a great break and follow-up hybrid), and because I have Gallagher, I have a foundation for a break team. So I'm probably better off getting Fuge and skipping everything until the Collab.
If you like Aglaea or Sunday himself, then pull for him. Otherwise, it's better to wait for his rerun. Pulling characters just because they “Might be useful in the future” will often end up with regrets.
this is something i told my friend as well but getting fugue without having rm is essentially getting an upgrade unit(from hmc) without having a core unit(rm). the only case where i would recommend it is if you want to play remembrance mc- all up to you though, especially if you like fugues design :3
The current expectation is that Sunday is for summons, but I don’t think it holds water anymore. The original theory was that team affects would not be able to interact with memosprites, for example Robins ult would not accelerate them, however this seems to not be the case because as shown Adventurines shield was clearly shown to affect them, so Robin will still be able to push them all up with her ult, Sunday seem to me very Hypercarry focused and not memosprite focused. Invest at your own risk.
When planning about future pulls, I try to avoid falling into sunk cost fallacy. Firefly is a sunk cost, Fugue seems more useful for Rappa, MC might be better on the new path, Ruan Mei is so universal that she can move on to the newest teams and even in the 3.x trailer Elysia expy is presented as the new MC ship.
Could you please make Fugue vs Ruan Mei as well? I do not have Ruan Mei, and I am going to pull fuge for my break team with Himeko, and I am not sure, if I will need RM in the future.
@@YuriDSC yea its missing teamwide buff. Every single target buffers can easily get overshadowed by teamwide buffers. and since it is hoyo i believe they will release a unit that does teamwide buffs maybe for summons only or both the unit and memosprite.
I have firefly break basic team with rm and no other 5 star and I have dot premium team Kafka , huo huo, black swan so who should I pull for? Char to power up dot team or someone else like entire new summons(sun) or fuge for ff I also have fu Xuan and Robin along with ratio, no 5star light cone, I only have 4 k gem and 40 pity
@@direwolfADSome people play DOTcheron teams. Kafka, Black Swan, Acheron and a support. Huohuo works. Try searching some video showcases of that team comp. Good damage but the skill point management could be a problem. Also not many 4* lightcone options for Acheron. Just saying out loud but probably not worth investing on that team comp at this point.
@@eduardomiguel4773 ya I also thought the same that's why I was thinking for starting new play style investment summons but at the same time if I start summon I will need both fuge(hmc replacement) and Sunday that's why I was asking for opnion
The roadmap to 3.0 is very tricky. There are a lot of unknowns when it comes to the Summon investment. People are forgetting that they have a chance to lose the 50/50. FTP players may need to consider investing in more immediate value over Sunday. Fugue and The Herta can possibly offer more flexibility when it comes to team building.
are we underestimating fugue? she allows superbreak, provide break buffs and def reduction, and more importantly exo toughness, which is unique in the current roster of characters
I've already spent so many months grinding jades for Sunday since he debuted in 2.0. No way I'm gonna pass him up. Besides, I feel if you don't have Bronya at all(I know I can get her in the selector) then Sunday is probably your best bet in my opinion. Fugue, yeah, she might fall off after awhile, but I feel she'll have uses for break teams. Still gonna go for her, cause I like her design/animations
The future updates are gonna be like this: 4 characters (2 rerun 2 new) and you can defo get one per patch. Ive been doing this since december 2023 and im only missing 6 premium units (i skipped 4 and i want silver wolf) all f2p
On the plus side, i dont WANT Sunday. On the downside, i pulled Lingsha specifically because i am so excited for the summons meta 😣 guess i will just have to keep saving for the Fate colab 😅
Same lol In my case Fugue is the way to go because I main Lingsha as a DPS, I failed to get Rappa and Firefly is just not for me. So it'll be Lingsha, RM, Fugue, HTB for my break team 😂
one thing im interest that if sunday is the premiere summon sustain but he is hypercarry based. so will a double remembrance dps team possible like followup happend or no or it will remain hypercarry.
>Be me >Day one f2p player >Can complete all gamemodes >Pulling for Sunday and Fugue for fun >Saw big Herta kit >I'm a SU enjoyer >Pulling all of them because 3.0 is a massive update >I can't stop gambling
@@nier6472 Luck is the best currency in gacha game not how many pulls. Not to mention they could save their jades for 3 characters in a row if they want. Being a light spender(supply pass + nameless honor) nets you about 28 more pulls compared to f2p per patch. Yeah it makes a difference but its not too much different if you are losing 50/50s all the time.
@@nier6472 I am a f2p who got sparkle, aventurine, jingliu (rerun), acheron, robin, firefly, jade All of them were back to back characters. Luck is a thing.
What is this luck u speak of? I'm losing 9/10 50:50 right here😅 and not to mention it's always high pity like losing at 86 and winning at 85 that would be 171 pull for a single character, that's the norm for me
@@nier6472 the message keeps getting deleted You can see my warps on stardb with my UID 800614308 You can see I got Acheron Aventurine and Robin without winning
My thoughts before watching: Sunday seems interesting but if a Summon character I really want, I can go for the rerun in like 3 patches - going to pull for Fugue in the meantime. I sometimes try to 0 cycle on the Firefly side just for fun so triple buffers aren't really wasted either After watching.. I think I'll probably commit to sticking to that plan, at worst, I still have an unused Sparkle and Bronya that don't have any dedicated teams for me anymore
I think it's a bit unfair to say Sunday's teams are limited right now... he gets the most of his kit in teams with summons but he still can work if you don't have Bronya/Sparkle, so he's elevating hypercarry teams they'd normally be featured in, or work in tandem with those two. Fugue has a well established team set because break's supports all exist and the dpses have had no downtime since HMC came out with Boothill who was our first serious breaker (and he still prefers hypercarry in his best teams). They had everything from the start. I guess the question is, if you played and liked the friendship is magic event, do you think you'd want to play other characters with similar gameplay? Because if so then you'll likely want Sunday to elevate future characters you might like. Fugue is in a similar boat since with HMC you likely don't need her but if you want to give RMC a chance you might need to fill that slot. We will be getting more breakers at some point, we are obviously going to get more remembrance summoners too. Both are useful now and in the future with new characters. However Sunday also has the added bonus of being for a new meta and most of the new content will cater to that.
I keep trying to think whether or not there will be another summon harmony later but it's unlikely. Sparkle is the only limited hypercarry harmony, Ruan mei is the only limited break harmony. Robin is the only FUA harmony. We don't have a DoT harmony though but that team archetype isn't really too major.
My question is whether to pick either up at all haha . Herta looks very cool, but no idea what she does. I have: DPS: Feixiao Buff: Bronya, Robin Healer: Lingsha Those are the only 5*s I have lol (brinya E2 xD). And 7k crystal/gems/Astrite(?) But also, I'm only 1/4 way through Xianzhou Loufou 1st time, so not at apenacony. This is to say I have lots of resources available to get by then I guess.. Will we get Herta's kit before Sunday banner is over?
For me the question is E0 Fugue vs. Firefly’s E2. With The Herta coming I might skip everyone in 2.7, but I definitely don’t want to go all-in on a new playstyle, future meta or not.
I have two accounts just bc that’s how I always am with gacha, so I’m going to go for Sunday and remembrance on my main, and get herta as my my first limited on my ult and then save for any characters who don’t fit into the summon meta but I still really want. That acc is only around tbl40, so i luckily have a lot of wishes left that I can grind out
I am in a similiar position. I also have two accounts, and my philosophy was to not go for characters that I already have on my other account. (So that I can play both, or explore other ways of playing.) Consequence is / was that I am now in the strange position where my DoT, Acharon, and Jingliu Account is not always as powerful as my F2P account where I have Jing Yuan, Firefly, Topaz, Lingsha and Aventurine, as well as Sparkle and Imbibitor Lunae. - All those are characters that I don't have in my main account, while I was getting all the others with my main account. But if I were to rate the most important instances it would be, both, Firefly, and Feixiao, which I do (!) have in my main account, but Topaz, Lingsha and Aventurine make all the difference. My Fei-Xiao Follow-Up Team (in the main account) is not as powerful as the one I have on my side-account. And I already feel that my second account needs Ruan-Mei, which I do have in my main account. Now, why am I saying this? I'm saying this, because I think that there are characters, which you need to pull on both accounts, even though it might feel like a waste of Jades, at first. But in the long run it might be the case that there are some characters, which open up a few possibilities, which you might need, if you want to get the full potential out of some of your characters. I'm just saying this as a friendly advice, not to start a deep discussion. 😄🙂
@ that makes a lot of sense, thank you! Don’t worry, I’m moreso focused on the idea of getting the characters I like most, and then pulling their best supports regardless of if I already have them on another account
@@aidenbarello2452 That's good to hear! I'm glad, if some of this was a little bit of use to you, or others! 😄 And, as usual, getting the characters that you like most, takes priority over everything else. I think that goes without saying, except when you are a meta-player. But as players with two accounts we are already the odd ones, I would assume! 😄👍
@ definitely! I’m just someone who wants to use the characters I love most, but I also want to make them strong if I can, so the two accounts is so that I have a chance at getting all of the characters I love and still having the supports they need to thrive
For me it looks like that, Sunday is much more important for the future and so he is the "must pull" here, then u have to look how much u have left and decide if Fugue or any of the new chars is more worth. Good thing is that Fugue is on the second banner so we get much more infos meanwhile about The Herta and others and can just wait it out.
Im stuck. Currently sitting at a very solid FUA team and a partially formed break team. Running HMC Lingsha Rappa and Himeko for now, intended to swap himeko for fugue. Sitting on about 100 pulls. Do i stick to plan or swap to sunday and plan for summon future? Or do i skip it all and plan for erudition with The herta and Rappa and himeko? 😖
I'm so torn whether to get Sunday or Fugue for Boothill, because if content shifts in a way where break isn't effective, having Sunday and swapping to RMC makes that easier and Sunday seems to be an upgrade to Bronya for BH, like Fugue is an upgrade but if break is still effective for a while, I don't know how much you really need her to keep it effective and RMC can still swap to HMC if break is effective. It really depends on enemy design, I'm here anticipating a bunch of new enemies that block out their weakness and regenerate toughness without breaking so Hoyo forces everyone to shift from break.
For current value, I think you glossed over the fact that Sunday powercreeps Sparkle, Bronya, and Tingyun all at the same time in every single hypercarry composition as well. DHIL? It's been shown that E0 sunday performs similarly with DHIL as e6 sparkle in showcases. Any composition with bronya such as Boothill or Jingliu? Sunday is the best now. E2 Acheron? A showcase today by Cornflake compared Robin, sparkle, and sunday while adjusting builds correctly for E2 Acheron and guess who was the best? Once again Sunday. Yunli or Clara? Once again it's going to be Sunday + Robin as the best in slot comp with Sunday replacing Tingyun. More sp efficient than Sparkle at 0.66 SP/turn vs Sparkle's 0.33 sp/turn. 100% action advance vs sparkle's 50% action advance Stronger buffs than Bronya 40 energy per ultimate vs Tingyun's 60 energy per ultimate, but if you factor in your main dps getting an extra turn, he generates more energy than Tingyun. (Explanation: Sunday 100% advances your main DPS every turn and if your DPS uses basic attack during this "free" turn they gain an additional 20 energy, but if they use skill they gain an additional 30 energy) Buffs that last 2 turns instead of 1 turn All of this ON TOP of becoming the cornerstone of the summon meta with his future value. If you still like to use 1.x units then he is a great improvement for all those characters while also having the next meta probably be for him
I'm not sure I buy the argument for Sunday vs Fugue for a F2P player. Particularly if we're talking about new players who can leverage past content pulls for ~2 limiteds at least. I definitely think in terms of current value Fugue wins since a new F2P player could possibly have Fugue + Firefly/Himeko and Harmony MC setup for this patch. Though that doesn't necessarily translate to more resources even in 1 patch cycle (which is kinda foolish to pull for since then you could argue pulling Sunday + Jing Yuan) since a 2nd team would hold a new player back in all endgame modes. As a new player they would also only have 1 patch worth of invesment which will probably only bring their 1st team up to scratch. If we extend it to 2 patch cycles then suddenly new players may then have access to Sunday+Aglaea/RMC. The reality is a new f2p player has to be looking at pulling across multiple patches anyway and Remembrance is likely going to be set up for more support in 2.7 onwards whereas the future of super break characters is not certain (Ruan Mei rerun/replacement?). In that case I think a safer bet for a fresh 2.7 player is aim for summon team and wait to see what develops for the 2nd team. Edit: Even on your subreddit it's a common theme for newer accounts. They have 2-3 limiteds or even a full team already but struggle with 2nd teams after the new player resource runs dry. They also tend to be undercooked since building even 1 team takes a long time (I imagine relic efficiency won't be very good for quite a while). So the 1st team needs to be future proof while you slowly pull that 2nd team together or be general enough to split which was easier with a hypercarry meta rather than the 2.0 niches.
This is the hardest decision for me to make. Who should I get? I like Firefly and use her a a lot with Mei . But I also like topaz and I have robincand aventurine I use a lot for my second team. I guess when it comes to long term goals who more investment? I assume it's Sunday since he's new while fugue may only work well with firefly and I fear she may be irrelevant in the future.
kinda true that sunday don't have someone yet to buff (except at JY) and remembrance is still like next year jan or feb most likely, maybe ill get Fugue as f2p.... right now i only have e0s1 firefly, HMC e6, Ruan Mei e1s0, Lingsha e0s0/Gallagher e6, didn't roll for Rappa (same for Acheron and Aventurine rerun banner, since i already have Acheron e0s1, no Aventurine also), and when HMC was gonna be replaced to RMC ... Fugue can help for FF (i dont know if fugue will help for my acheron though since fugue is nihility haha, i have Jaoqui e0s1 too 😊) Looks like Fugue for me i guess 😅.
My biggest issue is Sunday being single target for buffs while Fugue helping the main dps to break fast & that exo toughness is Himeko's best blessing. If they release an AoE Harmony unit for summons, Sunday will suffer a bit. For now, I plan on getting JY's LC for Hime after seeing how my 50/50 goes for Aven(70 pity).
Is it just me or is anybody thinking that the way they drip marketed the RMC is unusual. I'm thinking they may get a different character slot like DH/IL, or is it too much hopium
I see people say "invest in Sunday if you want to invest in summon meta". The issue is that Fugue replaces HMC to give you an extra remembrance character, which seems to be the summon class. So they BOTH are (in my eyes) different ways to invest in the summon meta. And that's what makes the choice so hard for me.
I'm thinking about pulling both. Im a newer player and have alot of pulls saved up, I dont have a single summon unit. I don't really like sunday that much as a character, but i know he'll be very solid for rememberance, and want lingsha copies for my new clara ill pick with selector. I love my himeko and want fugue for her and to get Gallagher. I dont have ruan mei, and if i do get fugue without sunday, itll feel like im freeing up trailblazer for nothing
Since im on a guarantee. Ill pull for sunday ... who knows the next time he reruns i may even lose the 50/50 and knowing that we are headed into the summon meta i dont want any regrets.
Is pulling for Sunday for 20% crit rate for a low crit rate low spd Acheron's team a good idea? or pulling Fugue for Firefly, which I believe is not the best synergy (edit: but MC might be core in 3.x team so she is kind of necessary) better?
It’s such a catch 22, you need Sunday if you want to play rememberance, which everyone will because it’s the new exciting path, but then if you invested in break, which a very large portion of the player base did, your MC will need to be replaced by tingyun, since your Sunday team will likely be taking MC
Of all the morally dubious characters we've recruited in the past, Sunday is the only one that crossed the line for me. He's gonna need one hell of a redemption in 2.7 for me to want to forgive *checks notes* uh... "trying to use mind control to enslave an entire star system (for their own good, of course)". Oh well, there's a lot of room for making it right (even if I can't really imagine it right now), but I do hope summon teams get more than just him for support.
remembrance roster gonna be very limited and specific early on so if you don't plan on getting almost all of them just skip them and focus on the side upgrade that'll accompany the summon meta throughout 3.x. if you already have some of the current top tier meta atm(feixiao, robin, ff, rm) then you have the capital to sit by the side and watch the meta develop for 3-4 patch as they'll stay relevant till at least this time window then decide to invest once the 3.x start rerunning their character and the meta is more defined.
Fugue may replace HMC when they shift to RMC but that's assuming RMC is as critical for summon meta as they were for break meta. I'm willing to risk it on Sunday more and RMC not being too necessary for summon meta. Worst case MC can switch back and forth for me.
I need both.. I thought of getting Herta or Aglaea when they were drip Marketed.. But I have changed my mind.. I'm seeing a summon meta coming.. But like how I see it.. I'm also seeing their value in this meta.. Just a gut feeling though.. I hope I don't go back to this comment regretting everything.. Hhahaha
@@dreamsandhopes6802I feel like they would only action advance all summons then if they were to release a character like that which offers a different niche than Sunday who advances the character as well
Or u can use both supports for double summoner team and 0 cycle everything? Or it's not interesting for u to strategize game without sustain and autoplay everything?
What Sunday look to be weak on is, he is strictly single target harmony, what really will guarantee that he will not suffer the same fate as Bronya and Sparkle being replaced by Robin? It looks like Remembrance characters aren't only limited to one per team.
I'm pulling sunday as soon as he comes out, But I'll probably consider pulling fugue since shes second. That means I can wait for more info on the 3.0 characters.
So i have the break team and FUA team. I want a third team and have acheron with her lc. The issue is i dont like that rememberance is being so pushed after superbreak and fua was thrown in our face. I dont like Sunday as a character but worry nit getting him means there wont be much point in pulling rememberance characters.
I'm curious how good is Sunday and robin together. I assume a lot of people have robin since she's popular and on that front would Sunday be better investment than Fuugue?
Its not a tough choice. For those who have jing yuan, topaz, or lingsha. Consider sunday to synergies well. For those who have break teams such as TB, ruan mei, Boothill, Firefly, or consider Xuei, i recommend Fugue. Good video breakdown nonetheless thank you.
I'm going for Sunday .. i expecting to get 1 remembrance unit in future. Maybe aglea on rerun if there's no remembrance unit that i like. Also he should be good with non-summon hypercarry unit 😁
my plan is whoever I lose 50 50 I dont get it XD sunday banner is really bad for me fugue is ok i dont have a single idelon for galaghar witch i use and mika witch i dont use i am close to pity so i dont mind trying to get sunday if i dont i guess is see him in his rerun
HAHAHA me honestly. If I can't decide whether to pull or not, I'll let fate decide it for me. If I win the 50/50, great! But if I don't, I'll just brush it off as the character isn't meant for me, or future character is much better for my account.
I mean Ruan Mei came before break was a thing Robin came just before Hsr went all follow up sparkle … ahem anyways Even a non harmony black swan came and made dot damage real even tho it died few patches after So the real thing is never think low of new supports especially when they seem too specific
Ruan Mei hype was especially because she was the first limited harmony unit. While Robin being party buffer but in fua comps, who is to say that they won't release a harmony with teamwide summon buff and AA. I'm merely speculating, but from what I can see hypercarry is in a weird spot, cos hyv likes to release units that synergize with each other eg. break, fua, dot comps, seeing how dps like JL, dhil, blade fall off once the following teams started completing. A full summoner comp is also not out of scope.
@ no this is too real the fact that sparkle sits jobless is wild cuz the fact that they just don’t want to make a character that can clear instead make teams and then upgrade one of them and sell it this way sadly
This is pretty tough, but I think I might skip. My account is already pretty well rounded and I definitely do not need any new characters for the break meta. It will be hard to skip these two from a collection standpoint, but I’m honestly more interested in The Herta
I can get either Sunday E0S1 and skip Fugue OR Sunday E0S0 and Fugue E0S0. Literally Boothilll is my only break carry and I don't have Ruan Mei. Man this is a rough decision
although i use firefly team i think her current team is fine as it is and fugue is not a necessity, especially when we entering summon meta so break meta will probably fall off soon like how hypercarry meta fell off during 2.x. sunday will age like fine wine once we get more summon characters and probably also gonna be wanted for the fate collab teams too
If they follow what they did with RM and Robin, they will retun Sunfay with the meta defining Summoner which is when It makes more sense to pick up imo
I'd like Fugue but Sunday is the way to go if you're f2p bc that's the 3.x meta. Fugue is MC replacement since you'll need MC for summons. Sometimes you may not. I'm kicking myself for not getting rabbit healer. If you have the General already awesome if not, wait for the new lightening summoner. I will skip since I have my lightening atkr. I will get other elements.
I want Fugue cause she's pretty but with all the characters coming after her, can't really justify it. But even without being a Jing Yuan main, I love Sunday's story and I want one of those damn siblings on my account. Robin refused to come to me both times i pulled on her. I finished my prefarming for him already.
Superbreak is fine as it is, better to invest in a new meta than to win-more on a team that's already stomping. It's like farming relics for a character when all your pieces are 4/5 crit rolls. Just farm a different set for a different character. And if the meta isn't there for that team yet, just use the current superbreak team. Once a character you're looking forward to comes along and you don't have Sunday, you'll be kicking yourself. Not picking up Fugue just means that your current tier 0 team doesn't reach it's potential, but it's still a tier 0 team, and by the time a full Remembrance team is out, it'll likely be stronger than superbreak anyway even with Fugue, and you can go back to having HMC over RMC anyway if you still want to play superbreak. Outside of waifu points I really don't see much value in Fugue. They really fumbled her kit imo.
I’m so sad because was set up for Sunday, lost 50/50 for linsha and hard pity so two pulls away from a gurantee. I pulled for Acheron and now Sunday is literally the cornerstone of the new meta and it is unlikely I will get him. Honkai star rail is getting quite expensive. It’s no longer a situation where you can sit comfortably with one archetype. Even if I got Sunday, i have no characters with summons and I’m pretty sure w will have to grind an entire patch for a chance at a remembrance character ☹️.
Do you want to invest into the new summon-meta (/remembrance) get Sunday. Are you already invested into break and want a replacement/addition for Harmony MC (MC will get a new path and maybe you don't want to or can't switch between the two)? Then get Fugue. The decision is pretty easy in my opinion, because Sunday and Fugue are so different.
im collecting all harmony characters and im invested in break teams it's not easy😢
But why would you wanna replace MC if you didn't go for Sunday? He ll be the best support for the summon mechanic
E2S1 Firefly and E1S1 Rappa. I lost the choice a while ago, need Fugu to complete the team. Now it feels like no new dps will compare without money investment
Except if you want a replacement for HMC, aka RMC, and pulled for Fugue it would mean "you want to invest into the new summon-meta (/remembrance)".
So you get Sunday.
But if you get Sunday without pulling for a replacement for HMC...
And the loop continues. This argument is so dumb lol.
@@acupoflatte8594 the thing is we don't know how busted is RTB gonna be. investing on fugue you can play at least 2 break teams in the challenge game modes(MOC,AS,PF)
on the other hand,
getting sunday will make you either play break(no fugue, forced to play HTB) or summon team[swapping HTB to RTB denying your break team because no fugue](if you don't have jing yuan or topaz, you just griefed yourself)
so you'll need to use your pull funds again to get a character that has summons.
this is assuming you can only get 1 limited in that patch. but if you can get both then good for you.
I want Fugue. But Herta is too gorgeous to skip. Sorry miss snappy neck, I'll get you on your rerun
Im considering this too
Omg xDDD Miss Snappy neck?!
Lol miss snappy neck 💀
snappy neck is crazy 💀💀💀😭
If Herta has overworld quality of life features like Ruan Mei on Simulated Universe, then Herta is a must pull because QoL is eternal.
1.0 Jing Yuan main here, my king gets whatever he wants for carrying me until Penacony 😂 but also, Sunday feels like he will have longer term story relevance for a while so I’m curious to see what they’ll do with HSR Jesus LMAO
I get that Jing Yuan is not the most competitive but he’s so reliable for me and I’m not interested in getting any other lightning dps because he already does everything I need. Imo it’s been fun getting different supports and sub dps and tailoring them to fit the different kinds of battles I encounter.
Like I may have both Feixiao and Firefly and can thoughtlessly throw them into tough content, but our good old dozing general makes it fun for me by letting me playing into various styles. That he’s my only consistent AoE damage dealer is also a plus since I don’t usually get the same satisfaction with other teams and large waves have been getting troublesome these days.
That, and his constant buff history is still funniest thing to me. Just like how he has been serving so long as the general of the Luofu and returns to the story, he continues to be dragged into relevance by the devs. Can’t help it when he’s such a popular character 😂
FINALLY🎉, someone who understands me and my love for the General. Haven't stopped using since the first day I pulled him when his banner dropped. I've also been waiting for Sunday for so long.
I think both characters are going to age like fine wine much like Topaz, reason being is how they benefit their respective team archetypes in significant ways while drawing from what older supports laid out previously.
Sunday will have more prominence because of the Remembrance Path yes, but Fugue I feel will go under the radar and be underrated like Topaz over time I feel. Both very valuable characters overall!
Sparkle did that for hype rcarries, she did everything, but age like fine wine.
I feel very pessimistic about Fugue, I see them releasing some new bosses that counter toughness reduction any time now
Maybe I'll grab Fugue on a rerun, but for now I'm picking up Sunday for my Jing Yuan and the inevitable 3.x summon units.
Sunday will rerun way faster than fugue 💯
I was also thinking this way b4.. But it came to me that, what if when her rerun comes, there will be better characters on her rerun.. 😢😢 But if you're really focusing to a certain meta.. Then definitely you'll not be baited with the new characters..
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I have e2 Acheron and wanted Fugue because I missed Jiao. I also have the FART team except topaz. Now I’m just trying to see which new team is best investing into.
Fart team?
@@zeodark2761 Feixiao, Aven, Robin, Topaz Team
I think the situation is similar to Genshin 3.0: Dendro Traveller was a good character because at that time we didn't have other good dendro options. Now few people play them. I personally think Remembrance Trailblazer will be a good character but they will fall out probably around 3.2, since they won't probably release remembrance character each patch. So the problem comes to this: are you willing to pull for Fugue, who will replace HMC in the next couple months, upgrading your break dps, only for her to fall out once we get another good summon dps, or are you willing to pull for her no matter what, upgrading your break team but giving up on the next best harmony for future patches?
are you sure all remembrance going to be hypercarry archetype? remembrance mc might be the next meta defining char like harmony mc but if remembrance mc is going to be good with sunday its a big W for one who full for sunday. We still dont have any idea next meta is hypercarry or something to do with herta if she going to be as good as acheron. They introduce too many new archetype now sunday/ rmc /herta
Break team is still going to be useful, summon aren't going to invalidate it. In fact, we're in for some serious trouble if summon/remembrance is ever the only "valid" attack type.
i always stick to “Do not buy the promise of what something could be. Buy it for what it is today”
and i think its still a valid quote to this day. i never pull characters for its future potential because i often end up regretting it (silver wolf for example lmao)
Amazing quote my brother ❤
Topaz is the antithesis to what you are saying, and remembrance is inevitable with agleae, rmc, fate collaboration characters- you can't ignore blatant signs, especially since they want to sell gameplay people don't have, whereas fugue has replacements, especially with invested ruan mei
@@jadendevos8696they could always release another harmony for fate you never know they want money after all
Also skipping sunday
He's not very useful atm as jingyuan is the only one who benefits the most from him
Currently Fugue have way more value as break teams is still meta for PF or AS
Superbreak will forever be useful especially on AS where you NEED to break to gain the AV and energy.
fair point about Topaz, but i got her on her re-run. Like i got Ruan Mei on her rerun with Firefly, and Robin on her rerun with Feixiao. If you save enough and have self control it's not that bad to skip and wait two or three patches.
Me pulling for both cuz they are both future proof... Break is like DOT. It is such a core mechanic it will never go away. Summons looks like a future meta that will only get more powerful.
It's much safer to wait for a Sundays rerun. We don't know how many of the summon characters are even hypercarries, and for all we know the 3.X harmonies are dual servant buffers and we have another situation like Robin powercreeping Sparkle.
Sure I skip Sunday to check the 3.0 harmony characters as well.
Yup, it's a pretty safe bet to take in assuming that they'll rerun him when the meta summon character is released, and being able to look at other options while waiting for the rerun is always good.
Looking at a precedent which is Ruan Mei who is at the time, a support unit who hasn't reached her full potential until 2.x break/sb teams came out, and also released at the patch before the new version, I think it's relatively safe to say that Sunday would also reach his full potential with the 3.x summon teams, with the remembrance units.
There is suppose to be a quantum harmony 3.2 who has a puppet. Sunday powercreep?
@@kiel127 Using Ruan Mei as an example, she reran half a patch after Boothill and on the same patch as Firefly and that gives a far better picture of her place in the meta. RM's value was always skewed at launch because she was the first limited harmony and was busted in comparison to Asta/Hanya/Yukong.
I'm going to pull Sunday in my second account. I will invest in summon meta. Just like when I pull topaz when her first released.
I'm running two Break teams right now with FF and Boothill, so there's only really one choice for me in 2.7. Grabbing Fugue would give me an opening to run RMC on a future summon team that I'll set-up. I'll grab Sunday on his rerun or a possible Robin version of his (AOE summon buffer) later down the line together with a Summon DPS, but for now, I'll bank on my Break teams.
Same here, its so high the chance for a rerun for Sunday very soon in a 3.2, I prefer to focus on Fugue and complete this cycle for break teams. Also I want Herta so Sunday gonna wait for a next time.
Wow, we have same idea. I want to create 2 break team too. The one is mono fire FF team (with future fugue, I hope I can get her) , the other is dazling rainbow Rappa team.
@@ak-sony Yeah also if Hoyo releases the eventual Acheron-level summon DPS, they'll likely rerun Sunday, assuming he's still BiS at that time for the summon meta, so I'll just grab him and that character then RMC could be part of that team, depending if they mesh together. That way Fugue can still help my break team power through end game stuff even if I'm using RMC now on my summon team. It could also help me save as much as I can to splurge on that DPS and Sunday/A harmony for summon
@@DestaLosta Yeah Rappa is probably Fugue's best team together with Boothill, so you'll probably notice a significant increase in performance if you have her running with Rappa. I'm personally thinking of running her with my Boothill team. I'm thinking of splurging and grabbing her E1 which has break efficiency buff to put her in my Boothill team, then run Bronya so that way Boothill will have the break efficiency buff, exo-toughness, and superbreak, without having to move Ruan Mei from my FF team to my Boothill team.
It is impossible to create 2 break teams, there are no 2 MEIs. Fugue will not do what MEI does to break comp.
personally i'm not letting my regret of not pulling ruan mei in 1.6 happen to me again with sunday and the summon meta. with every new region everyone will have a few characters they'll rly like and wna pull and being locked out of building those teams properly w/o the staple harmony character rly sucks,, so sunday it is!! I'm sick of break meta too even as a boothill main lmao
Option 3: Neither, and hope current roster can carry for a bit longer until we know more about summon meta
FUA last so long. why can't break last?
@@NeverClimbingBecause there are a lot of vocally annoying people that **really** don't like break and insults everyone who is remotely associating with it.
The HP bump in the latest MOC? Break's fault.
Why there are so many new relic sets catering to one or two characters?
Break's fault.
Why there aren't a lot of new 4*s?
Break's fault.
@@acupoflatte8594first two points are actually likely to be true, idk about the third tho
@@starless0021 And there it is. The proof to the pudding lmao.
MOC HP buffs aren't due to break alone it's due the insane power creep happening in the game. Break is a symptom, not the cause.
There are new relic sets that cater to one or two characters only as that *is* the way to make players continually grind for these things. Every single Mihoyo gacha with a gear system has this issue. The longer the game runs, the more Mihoyo demands you specialize. Whether that be HI3'd Stigmata, or HSR's relics. Again, break is a symptom, not the cause.
Lastly, people attribute the lack of 4*s due to how easily break powers up basic hits. People point to Gallagher, and how a 4* can have single target hits that rival a DPS. "On a break team, everyone can deal damage".
Except again, symptom, not cause. Mihoyo doesn't want to accidentally make a god tier 4* ever again, as it would rival 5* sales. Even if it wasn't true, you saw how Gallagher's presence influenced Lingsha's reception. They don't want that.
@@acupoflatte8594I didn't accuse break units for it. I said it's *likely* lmao.
And what's this about not being broken 4* after gallegoat. Bro like moze e6 is almost 1:1 substitute for topaz with e0s0 (except topaz generate 1-2 more stacks for Fx in Robin comp). And same goes for HM7th (free unit and e6 btw). Now I get it that they are specifically for fua comps but that doesn't discredit the fact that they produce almost same output to 5* counterparts.
And let's be honest and be specific, people don't blame break for hp inflation of bosses it's Firefly specifically. Never have I heard it's break or boothill, rappa. Because they think that bh = hunt = bad and rappa = erudition= pf unit, leaving ff the only one to take the fall.
I think like dendro, Mihoyo will force the summon meta in HSR, I just hope it will uplift every team type like dendro buffed electro.
That’s what RMC is for. Hopefully summons will be just as accessible as super break but we’ll see
I think so too that it is going to that path.. Since the summons can either Break, DOT, FUA or any other meta we had.. So simply it is an upgrade of previous metas..
So if it goes this way.. Then HSR could be planning to increase enemy stats not long from now (when there are already many Remembrance)..
Both nihility/harmony have somewhat same value, Both are in support role and its really hard to weigh between the two, but yea:
- Current: Fugue
- Future: Sunday
Hoyo will defintely going to sell Remembrance hard because summons can be anything (dps, specialists, amplifiers and sustains). So remembrance might be a generalized path that can pair with any path without restrictions, you literally have +1 (total of 5 members now)
My plan is to pull on Sunday until about two 10-pulls from pity, if I get him then I will have enough jades for Fugue, if not, well I still have pity built up.
Fugue is the best pull for my account right now, so she is coming home.
Right now my account has what I need for Follow up. So I'm done investing for a good while there.
Because I happened to pick up Ruan mei once upon a time, and because I happened to pull Himeko on standard (who served as a great break and follow-up hybrid), and because I have Gallagher, I have a foundation for a break team. So I'm probably better off getting Fuge and skipping everything until the Collab.
Thank you I needed this so much!!
If you like Aglaea or Sunday himself, then pull for him. Otherwise, it's better to wait for his rerun.
Pulling characters just because they “Might be useful in the future” will often end up with regrets.
20:07 bro i was thinking of the wrong thing 😭😭
I have FF but no RM. Should I pull for Fugue, or would it be better to switch to the new summon meta with Sunday to pull for?
This is the same dilemma I'm in. Long time player but took a 6 month break. Have Robin FF, BH. No break support. It's managed but could be better.
this is something i told my friend as well but getting fugue without having rm is essentially getting an upgrade unit(from hmc) without having a core unit(rm). the only case where i would recommend it is if you want to play remembrance mc- all up to you though, especially if you like fugues design :3
I pull Sunday for my seele 😅
The current expectation is that Sunday is for summons, but I don’t think it holds water anymore. The original theory was that team affects would not be able to interact with memosprites, for example Robins ult would not accelerate them, however this seems to not be the case because as shown Adventurines shield was clearly shown to affect them, so Robin will still be able to push them all up with her ult, Sunday seem to me very Hypercarry focused and not memosprite focused. Invest at your own risk.
When planning about future pulls, I try to avoid falling into sunk cost fallacy.
Firefly is a sunk cost, Fugue seems more useful for Rappa, MC might be better on the new path, Ruan Mei is so universal that she can move on to the newest teams and even in the 3.x trailer Elysia expy is presented as the new MC ship.
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Could you please make Fugue vs Ruan Mei as well? I do not have Ruan Mei, and I am going to pull fuge for my break team with Himeko, and I am not sure, if I will need RM in the future.
Sunday is just an ultra cracked version of bronya
It's not even "ultra cracked", it's just a better version, but nothing groundbreaking like RM or Robin
@@YuriDSC yea its missing teamwide buff. Every single target buffers can easily get overshadowed by teamwide buffers. and since it is hoyo i believe they will release a unit that does teamwide buffs maybe for summons only or both the unit and memosprite.
I have firefly break basic team with rm and no other 5 star and I have dot premium team Kafka , huo huo, black swan so who should I pull for? Char to power up dot team or someone else like entire new summons(sun) or fuge for ff I also have fu Xuan and Robin along with ratio, no 5star light cone, I only have 4 k gem and 40 pity
I have difficulty in apocalyptic shadow like 6 star while for moc and pf I am 1 or 2 star short for complete clear as my main second team is dot
@@direwolfADSome people play DOTcheron teams. Kafka, Black Swan, Acheron and a support. Huohuo works. Try searching some video showcases of that team comp. Good damage but the skill point management could be a problem. Also not many 4* lightcone options for Acheron. Just saying out loud but probably not worth investing on that team comp at this point.
@@eduardomiguel4773 ya I also thought the same that's why I was thinking for starting new play style investment summons but at the same time if I start summon I will need both fuge(hmc replacement) and Sunday that's why I was asking for opnion
Sunday is a easy choice for me since i chose not to invest into break style. i will be starting my investment into summon meta soon hehe
The only break character I have is Boothill
The roadmap to 3.0 is very tricky. There are a lot of unknowns when it comes to the Summon investment. People are forgetting that they have a chance to lose the 50/50. FTP players may need to consider investing in more immediate value over Sunday. Fugue and The Herta can possibly offer more flexibility when it comes to team building.
are we underestimating fugue? she allows superbreak, provide break buffs and def reduction, and more importantly exo toughness, which is unique in the current roster of characters
I've saved for this moment for quite a lot. I will pull for both sunday and fugue and also finally pull for Firefly e2. Firefly main until the end 💚💚💚
I've already spent so many months grinding jades for Sunday since he debuted in 2.0. No way I'm gonna pass him up. Besides, I feel if you don't have Bronya at all(I know I can get her in the selector) then Sunday is probably your best bet in my opinion.
Fugue, yeah, she might fall off after awhile, but I feel she'll have uses for break teams. Still gonna go for her, cause I like her design/animations
She won't fall off. She gives passive superbreak and her ult hits regardless of toughness type.
The future updates are gonna be like this: 4 characters (2 rerun 2 new) and you can defo get one per patch. Ive been doing this since december 2023 and im only missing 6 premium units (i skipped 4 and i want silver wolf) all f2p
You don't get 80 pulls per patch
On the plus side, i dont WANT Sunday. On the downside, i pulled Lingsha specifically because i am so excited for the summons meta 😣 guess i will just have to keep saving for the Fate colab 😅
Same lol
In my case Fugue is the way to go because I main Lingsha as a DPS, I failed to get Rappa and Firefly is just not for me. So it'll be Lingsha, RM, Fugue, HTB for my break team 😂
one thing im interest that if sunday is the premiere summon sustain but he is hypercarry based. so will a double remembrance dps team possible like followup happend or no or it will remain hypercarry.
Dang already knew who i was going for but loved the analysis. Cant wait to build firefly, rappa, ruan mei, fugue team. Lol. XD
>Be me
>Day one f2p player
>Can complete all gamemodes
>Pulling for Sunday and Fugue for fun
>Saw big Herta kit
>I'm a SU enjoyer
>Pulling all of them because 3.0 is a massive update
>I can't stop gambling
I call cap on f2p, coz either u skipped everything past 2 patches or never pulled on banners, f2p don't get enough jade to get 3 units back to back
@@nier6472 Luck is the best currency in gacha game not how many pulls. Not to mention they could save their jades for 3 characters in a row if they want. Being a light spender(supply pass + nameless honor) nets you about 28 more pulls compared to f2p per patch. Yeah it makes a difference but its not too much different if you are losing 50/50s all the time.
@@nier6472 I am a f2p who got sparkle, aventurine, jingliu (rerun), acheron, robin, firefly, jade
All of them were back to back characters. Luck is a thing.
What is this luck u speak of? I'm losing 9/10 50:50 right here😅 and not to mention it's always high pity like losing at 86 and winning at 85 that would be 171 pull for a single character, that's the norm for me
@@nier6472 the message keeps getting deleted
You can see my warps on stardb with my UID 800614308
You can see I got Acheron Aventurine and Robin without winning
Yah I'm lucky enough to have enough jades to get both that said here I am just curious which one you think will have the longer staying power.
My thoughts before watching: Sunday seems interesting but if a Summon character I really want, I can go for the rerun in like 3 patches - going to pull for Fugue in the meantime. I sometimes try to 0 cycle on the Firefly side just for fun so triple buffers aren't really wasted either
After watching.. I think I'll probably commit to sticking to that plan, at worst, I still have an unused Sparkle and Bronya that don't have any dedicated teams for me anymore
I think it's a bit unfair to say Sunday's teams are limited right now... he gets the most of his kit in teams with summons but he still can work if you don't have Bronya/Sparkle, so he's elevating hypercarry teams they'd normally be featured in, or work in tandem with those two.
Fugue has a well established team set because break's supports all exist and the dpses have had no downtime since HMC came out with Boothill who was our first serious breaker (and he still prefers hypercarry in his best teams). They had everything from the start.
I guess the question is, if you played and liked the friendship is magic event, do you think you'd want to play other characters with similar gameplay? Because if so then you'll likely want Sunday to elevate future characters you might like. Fugue is in a similar boat since with HMC you likely don't need her but if you want to give RMC a chance you might need to fill that slot. We will be getting more breakers at some point, we are obviously going to get more remembrance summoners too. Both are useful now and in the future with new characters. However Sunday also has the added bonus of being for a new meta and most of the new content will cater to that.
Hypercarry isn't meta and he has no team bro.
I keep trying to think whether or not there will be another summon harmony later but it's unlikely. Sparkle is the only limited hypercarry harmony, Ruan mei is the only limited break harmony. Robin is the only FUA harmony. We don't have a DoT harmony though but that team archetype isn't really too major.
Might be grabbing an E0 Sunday or an E1 or 2 fugue, or I might do vice-versa. S0 for both or I night go s0 for Sunday and use a different LC for fugue
I want to get Fugue's Eidolons, but I'd like to know if its preferable to obtain the lightcone over her eidolons?
Thank you for considering f2p pov, great video!
My question is whether to pick either up at all haha .
Herta looks very cool, but no idea what she does.
I have:
DPS: Feixiao
Buff: Bronya, Robin
Healer: Lingsha
Those are the only 5*s I have lol (brinya E2 xD). And 7k crystal/gems/Astrite(?)
But also, I'm only 1/4 way through Xianzhou Loufou 1st time, so not at apenacony. This is to say I have lots of resources available to get by then I guess..
Will we get Herta's kit before Sunday banner is over?
For me the question is E0 Fugue vs. Firefly’s E2. With The Herta coming I might skip everyone in 2.7, but I definitely don’t want to go all-in on a new playstyle, future meta or not.
I have two accounts just bc that’s how I always am with gacha, so I’m going to go for Sunday and remembrance on my main, and get herta as my my first limited on my ult and then save for any characters who don’t fit into the summon meta but I still really want. That acc is only around tbl40, so i luckily have a lot of wishes left that I can grind out
I am in a similiar position. I also have two accounts, and my philosophy was to not go for characters that I already have on my other account. (So that I can play both, or explore other ways of playing.) Consequence is / was that I am now in the strange position where my DoT, Acharon, and Jingliu Account is not always as powerful as my F2P account where I have Jing Yuan, Firefly, Topaz, Lingsha and Aventurine, as well as Sparkle and Imbibitor Lunae. - All those are characters that I don't have in my main account, while I was getting all the others with my main account.
But if I were to rate the most important instances it would be, both, Firefly, and Feixiao, which I do (!) have in my main account, but Topaz, Lingsha and Aventurine make all the difference. My Fei-Xiao Follow-Up Team (in the main account) is not as powerful as the one I have on my side-account. And I already feel that my second account needs Ruan-Mei, which I do have in my main account.
Now, why am I saying this? I'm saying this, because I think that there are characters, which you need to pull on both accounts, even though it might feel like a waste of Jades, at first. But in the long run it might be the case that there are some characters, which open up a few possibilities, which you might need, if you want to get the full potential out of some of your characters.
I'm just saying this as a friendly advice, not to start a deep discussion. 😄🙂
@ that makes a lot of sense, thank you! Don’t worry, I’m moreso focused on the idea of getting the characters I like most, and then pulling their best supports regardless of if I already have them on another account
@@aidenbarello2452 That's good to hear! I'm glad, if some of this was a little bit of use to you, or others! 😄
And, as usual, getting the characters that you like most, takes priority over everything else. I think that goes without saying, except when you are a meta-player. But as players with two accounts we are already the odd ones, I would assume! 😄👍
@ definitely! I’m just someone who wants to use the characters I love most, but I also want to make them strong if I can, so the two accounts is so that I have a chance at getting all of the characters I love and still having the supports they need to thrive
For me it looks like that, Sunday is much more important for the future and so he is the "must pull" here, then u have to look how much u have left and decide if Fugue or any of the new chars is more worth. Good thing is that Fugue is on the second banner so we get much more infos meanwhile about The Herta and others and can just wait it out.
Im stuck.
Currently sitting at a very solid FUA team and a partially formed break team.
Running HMC Lingsha Rappa and Himeko for now, intended to swap himeko for fugue.
Sitting on about 100 pulls.
Do i stick to plan or swap to sunday and plan for summon future? Or do i skip it all and plan for erudition with The herta and Rappa and himeko? 😖
Sunday the new sparkle? 🤔
I'm so torn whether to get Sunday or Fugue for Boothill, because if content shifts in a way where break isn't effective, having Sunday and swapping to RMC makes that easier and Sunday seems to be an upgrade to Bronya for BH, like Fugue is an upgrade but if break is still effective for a while, I don't know how much you really need her to keep it effective and RMC can still swap to HMC if break is effective.
It really depends on enemy design, I'm here anticipating a bunch of new enemies that block out their weakness and regenerate toughness without breaking so Hoyo forces everyone to shift from break.
For current value, I think you glossed over the fact that Sunday powercreeps Sparkle, Bronya, and Tingyun all at the same time in every single hypercarry composition as well. DHIL? It's been shown that E0 sunday performs similarly with DHIL as e6 sparkle in showcases. Any composition with bronya such as Boothill or Jingliu? Sunday is the best now. E2 Acheron? A showcase today by Cornflake compared Robin, sparkle, and sunday while adjusting builds correctly for E2 Acheron and guess who was the best? Once again Sunday. Yunli or Clara? Once again it's going to be Sunday + Robin as the best in slot comp with Sunday replacing Tingyun.
More sp efficient than Sparkle at 0.66 SP/turn vs Sparkle's 0.33 sp/turn.
100% action advance vs sparkle's 50% action advance
Stronger buffs than Bronya
40 energy per ultimate vs Tingyun's 60 energy per ultimate, but if you factor in your main dps getting an extra turn, he generates more energy than Tingyun. (Explanation: Sunday 100% advances your main DPS every turn and if your DPS uses basic attack during this "free" turn they gain an additional 20 energy, but if they use skill they gain an additional 30 energy)
Buffs that last 2 turns instead of 1 turn
All of this ON TOP of becoming the cornerstone of the summon meta with his future value. If you still like to use 1.x units then he is a great improvement for all those characters while also having the next meta probably be for him
I'm not sure I buy the argument for Sunday vs Fugue for a F2P player. Particularly if we're talking about new players who can leverage past content pulls for ~2 limiteds at least. I definitely think in terms of current value Fugue wins since a new F2P player could possibly have Fugue + Firefly/Himeko and Harmony MC setup for this patch.
Though that doesn't necessarily translate to more resources even in 1 patch cycle (which is kinda foolish to pull for since then you could argue pulling Sunday + Jing Yuan) since a 2nd team would hold a new player back in all endgame modes. As a new player they would also only have 1 patch worth of invesment which will probably only bring their 1st team up to scratch.
If we extend it to 2 patch cycles then suddenly new players may then have access to Sunday+Aglaea/RMC.
The reality is a new f2p player has to be looking at pulling across multiple patches anyway and Remembrance is likely going to be set up for more support in 2.7 onwards whereas the future of super break characters is not certain (Ruan Mei rerun/replacement?). In that case I think a safer bet for a fresh 2.7 player is aim for summon team and wait to see what develops for the 2nd team.
Edit: Even on your subreddit it's a common theme for newer accounts. They have 2-3 limiteds or even a full team already but struggle with 2nd teams after the new player resource runs dry. They also tend to be undercooked since building even 1 team takes a long time (I imagine relic efficiency won't be very good for quite a while). So the 1st team needs to be future proof while you slowly pull that 2nd team together or be general enough to split which was easier with a hypercarry meta rather than the 2.0 niches.
This is the hardest decision for me to make. Who should I get? I like Firefly and use her a a lot with Mei . But I also like topaz and I have robincand aventurine I use a lot for my second team. I guess when it comes to long term goals who more investment? I assume it's Sunday since he's new while fugue may only work well with firefly and I fear she may be irrelevant in the future.
Sunday is definitely a summon meta support, but he is pretty good for hyper carry as well. He's like a better Bronya.
I’m probably coping here but I really hope it’s viable to use Sunday with a future DPS along with Sparkle and Fu Xuan
kinda true that sunday don't have someone yet to buff (except at JY) and remembrance is still like next year jan or feb most likely, maybe ill get Fugue as f2p....
right now i only have e0s1 firefly, HMC e6, Ruan Mei e1s0, Lingsha e0s0/Gallagher e6, didn't roll for Rappa (same for Acheron and Aventurine rerun banner, since i already have Acheron e0s1, no Aventurine also), and when HMC was gonna be replaced to RMC ... Fugue can help for FF (i dont know if fugue will help for my acheron though since fugue is nihility haha, i have Jaoqui e0s1 too 😊)
Looks like Fugue for me i guess 😅.
My biggest issue is Sunday being single target for buffs while Fugue helping the main dps to break fast & that exo toughness is Himeko's best blessing. If they release an AoE Harmony unit for summons, Sunday will suffer a bit.
For now, I plan on getting JY's LC for Hime after seeing how my 50/50 goes for Aven(70 pity).
Is it just me or is anybody thinking that the way they drip marketed the RMC is unusual. I'm thinking they may get a different character slot like DH/IL, or is it too much hopium
I see people say "invest in Sunday if you want to invest in summon meta". The issue is that Fugue replaces HMC to give you an extra remembrance character, which seems to be the summon class. So they BOTH are (in my eyes) different ways to invest in the summon meta. And that's what makes the choice so hard for me.
Go fugue and if you still want Sunday later on get get sunday
I'm thinking about pulling both. Im a newer player and have alot of pulls saved up, I dont have a single summon unit. I don't really like sunday that much as a character, but i know he'll be very solid for rememberance, and want lingsha copies for my new clara ill pick with selector. I love my himeko and want fugue for her and to get Gallagher. I dont have ruan mei, and if i do get fugue without sunday, itll feel like im freeing up trailblazer for nothing
Since im on a guarantee. Ill pull for sunday ... who knows the next time he reruns i may even lose the 50/50 and knowing that we are headed into the summon meta i dont want any regrets.
Harmony rerun faster than others so probably early 3.x
Is pulling for Sunday for 20% crit rate for a low crit rate low spd Acheron's team a good idea? or pulling Fugue for Firefly, which I believe is not the best synergy (edit: but MC might be core in 3.x team so she is kind of necessary) better?
I'm gonna try to get both and see if a Rappa Fugue Lingsha Sunday team can cook, I feel like hypothetically it could be great
It’s such a catch 22, you need Sunday if you want to play rememberance, which everyone will because it’s the new exciting path, but then if you invested in break, which a very large portion of the player base did, your MC will need to be replaced by tingyun, since your Sunday team will likely be taking MC
Not a catch 22, you can skip both.
Of all the morally dubious characters we've recruited in the past, Sunday is the only one that crossed the line for me. He's gonna need one hell of a redemption in 2.7 for me to want to forgive *checks notes* uh... "trying to use mind control to enslave an entire star system (for their own good, of course)". Oh well, there's a lot of room for making it right (even if I can't really imagine it right now), but I do hope summon teams get more than just him for support.
remembrance roster gonna be very limited and specific early on so if you don't plan on getting almost all of them just skip them and focus on the side upgrade that'll accompany the summon meta throughout 3.x. if you already have some of the current top tier meta atm(feixiao, robin, ff, rm) then you have the capital to sit by the side and watch the meta develop for 3-4 patch as they'll stay relevant till at least this time window then decide to invest once the 3.x start rerunning their character and the meta is more defined.
Hi! Was just wondering (or maybe you can answer this in the future), but is Firefly still worth pulling considering the shifting Meta?
U can pull e1 fugue and make any char in game break dps, lingsha with fugue can be even better than ff in aoe scenario
Fugue may replace HMC when they shift to RMC but that's assuming RMC is as critical for summon meta as they were for break meta. I'm willing to risk it on Sunday more and RMC not being too necessary for summon meta. Worst case MC can switch back and forth for me.
I need both.. I thought of getting Herta or Aglaea when they were drip Marketed.. But I have changed my mind.. I'm seeing a summon meta coming.. But like how I see it.. I'm also seeing their value in this meta.. Just a gut feeling though..
I hope I don't go back to this comment regretting everything.. Hhahaha
For now sunday.
BUT IF hoyoverse suddenly release team wide summoner support, then sunday will be easily powercrept
This. Summoner robin like character would swallow sunday very easy
@@dreamsandhopes6802I feel like they would only action advance all summons then if they were to release a character like that which offers a different niche than Sunday who advances the character as well
@@choerrim7745 There is at least one harmony character scheduled on 3.0
Or u can use both supports for double summoner team and 0 cycle everything? Or it's not interesting for u to strategize game without sustain and autoplay everything?
What Sunday look to be weak on is, he is strictly single target harmony, what really will guarantee that he will not suffer the same fate as Bronya and Sparkle being replaced by Robin? It looks like Remembrance characters aren't only limited to one per team.
his eidolons might allow buffing for multiple targets
I'm pulling sunday as soon as he comes out, But I'll probably consider pulling fugue since shes second. That means I can wait for more info on the 3.0 characters.
So i have the break team and FUA team. I want a third team and have acheron with her lc. The issue is i dont like that rememberance is being so pushed after superbreak and fua was thrown in our face. I dont like Sunday as a character but worry nit getting him means there wont be much point in pulling rememberance characters.
sunday might be meta for FATE collab about servants so either strengthen current the break or acheron teams or save for new summon meta
Would fate be 3.4?
I'm curious how good is Sunday and robin together. I assume a lot of people have robin since she's popular and on that front would Sunday be better investment than Fuugue?
I have no summon characters but i have Rappa....going for Fugue (even though ive lost every 50/50 since version 2.0)
Its not a tough choice. For those who have jing yuan, topaz, or lingsha. Consider sunday to synergies well.
For those who have break teams such as TB, ruan mei, Boothill, Firefly, or consider Xuei, i recommend Fugue.
Good video breakdown nonetheless thank you.
I'm going for Sunday .. i expecting to get 1 remembrance unit in future. Maybe aglea on rerun if there's no remembrance unit that i like.
Also he should be good with non-summon hypercarry unit 😁
my plan is whoever I lose 50 50 I dont get it XD sunday banner is really bad for me fugue is ok i dont have a single idelon for galaghar witch i use and mika witch i dont use i am close to pity so i dont mind trying to get sunday if i dont i guess is see him in his rerun
HAHAHA me honestly. If I can't decide whether to pull or not, I'll let fate decide it for me. If I win the 50/50, great! But if I don't, I'll just brush it off as the character isn't meant for me, or future character is much better for my account.
I mean Ruan Mei came before break was a thing Robin came just before Hsr went all follow up sparkle … ahem anyways
Even a non harmony black swan came and made dot damage real even tho it died few patches after
So the real thing is never think low of new supports especially when they seem too specific
Ruan Mei hype was especially because she was the first limited harmony unit. While Robin being party buffer but in fua comps, who is to say that they won't release a harmony with teamwide summon buff and AA.
I'm merely speculating, but from what I can see hypercarry is in a weird spot, cos hyv likes to release units that synergize with each other eg. break, fua, dot comps, seeing how dps like JL, dhil, blade fall off once the following teams started completing. A full summoner comp is also not out of scope.
@ no this is too real the fact that sparkle sits jobless is wild cuz the fact that they just don’t want to make a character that can clear instead make teams and then upgrade one of them and sell it this way sadly
i will trust in my gacha skills and pull for aventurine sunday and fugue
This is pretty tough, but I think I might skip. My account is already pretty well rounded and I definitely do not need any new characters for the break meta. It will be hard to skip these two from a collection standpoint, but I’m honestly more interested in The Herta
Do Fugue good with Acheron E6S1?
I can get either Sunday E0S1 and skip Fugue OR Sunday E0S0 and Fugue E0S0. Literally Boothilll is my only break carry and I don't have Ruan Mei. Man this is a rough decision
But if i were to rate between the two sunday is your pick i wont get him but it would be sunday
I was about to pull for Sunday, but 2.7 lives + upcoming 3.x characters made me want to save 😵
although i use firefly team i think her current team is fine as it is and fugue is not a necessity, especially when we entering summon meta so break meta will probably fall off soon like how hypercarry meta fell off during 2.x. sunday will age like fine wine once we get more summon characters and probably also gonna be wanted for the fate collab teams too
If they follow what they did with RM and Robin, they will retun Sunfay with the meta defining Summoner which is when It makes more sense to pick up imo
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I'd like Fugue but Sunday is the way to go if you're f2p bc that's the 3.x meta. Fugue is MC replacement since you'll need MC for summons. Sometimes you may not. I'm kicking myself for not getting rabbit healer.
If you have the General already awesome if not, wait for the new lightening summoner. I will skip since I have my lightening atkr. I will get other elements.
Definitely going for Sunday. Fugue is there to replace harmony MC
I want Fugue cause she's pretty but with all the characters coming after her, can't really justify it. But even without being a Jing Yuan main, I love Sunday's story and I want one of those damn siblings on my account. Robin refused to come to me both times i pulled on her. I finished my prefarming for him already.
Superbreak is fine as it is, better to invest in a new meta than to win-more on a team that's already stomping. It's like farming relics for a character when all your pieces are 4/5 crit rolls. Just farm a different set for a different character.
And if the meta isn't there for that team yet, just use the current superbreak team. Once a character you're looking forward to comes along and you don't have Sunday, you'll be kicking yourself. Not picking up Fugue just means that your current tier 0 team doesn't reach it's potential, but it's still a tier 0 team, and by the time a full Remembrance team is out, it'll likely be stronger than superbreak anyway even with Fugue, and you can go back to having HMC over RMC anyway if you still want to play superbreak. Outside of waifu points I really don't see much value in Fugue. They really fumbled her kit imo.
Also choosing for e1-2 firefly :(
Do it if u can go for e2 she became another character
Lets be honest, Sunday is gonna have an early rerun like his sister like what i did to her buns
I’m so sad because was set up for Sunday, lost 50/50 for linsha and hard pity so two pulls away from a gurantee. I pulled for Acheron and now Sunday is literally the cornerstone of the new meta and it is unlikely I will get him. Honkai star rail is getting quite expensive. It’s no longer a situation where you can sit comfortably with one archetype. Even if I got Sunday, i have no characters with summons and I’m pretty sure w will have to grind an entire patch for a chance at a remembrance character ☹️.
Since i dont have a summon or break dps its much better for me to get Firefly