Unsolved Mystery of Minecraft's Identical Worlds

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  • Опубликовано: 18 окт 2020
  • The Unsolved Mystery of Minecraft's Identical Worlds -
    Minecraft worlds are theoretically infinite, or 30 million blocks in all directions. That's a lot of blocks and a lot of chunks. Out of all the possible combinations of blocks in a chunk, and chunks in a world, could there be two seeds in which two identical chunks appear? Or even cooler, what if two identical chunks appear in the same Minecraft world? Is it even possible? Can two Minecraft Worlds be the same? Well, yes. maybe. :)
    Seeds:
    Repeating Caves: 164311266871034
    Infinite Mineshaft: 107038380838084
    'Identical' One: 6444932541743890431
    'Identical' Two: 9223372036854775807
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  • @Wifies
    @Wifies  3 года назад +3412

    Sorry I messed up the seeds at ~6:00 lol, check chat for the real seed.

    • @lakers4life71
      @lakers4life71 3 года назад +18

      Hello panda block man

    • @Jake_Josh
      @Jake_Josh 3 года назад +58

      It’s okay man. You gotta collab with Dream.
      Unsolved Mysteries of Minecraft.

    • @crazyclayagain
      @crazyclayagain 3 года назад +9

      k thanks, also pretty cool video. I wonder if you and dream could do a collab for unsolved mysteries?

    • @findingthee6049
      @findingthee6049 3 года назад +13

      I mean
      Its not like i was gonna check the seed or anything

    • @crazyclayagain
      @crazyclayagain 3 года назад

      also lol when I commented this wasnt pinned yet

  • @oldchannelnotused1
    @oldchannelnotused1 3 года назад +3048

    3:24 "Infinite Mineshaft"
    now that's maybe why I spend 5 hours exploring a mineshaft

  • @pauulthefair
    @pauulthefair 3 года назад +8658

    Me, an intellectual: **opens superflat world**

    • @pauulthefair
      @pauulthefair 3 года назад +221

      @Garrett Hager exactly

    • @theninjadog4676
      @theninjadog4676 3 года назад +568

      I know this is a joke but technically flat worlds are different because of villages.
      Edit:OK I get it you can turn structures off please stop telling me

    • @jared1689
      @jared1689 3 года назад +44

      Did Flat World has the same village town for every seed?

    • @JJMK7092
      @JJMK7092 3 года назад +57

      Nether and end is different

    • @JJMK7092
      @JJMK7092 3 года назад +33

      Even in bedrock

  • @FlakDak
    @FlakDak 3 года назад +1100

    3:22 "Yeah hold on I need to loot this mineshaft and then I'll come back up"

    • @stickboi1807
      @stickboi1807 3 года назад +87

      POV your a dad

    • @quinip8950
      @quinip8950 3 года назад +35

      its like that one guy who always say he'll be RIGHT back but then comes back like 2 days later

    • @missmichelle1290
      @missmichelle1290 3 года назад +9

      It’s like the backrooms

    • @takiben1960
      @takiben1960 3 года назад +4

      @@tkywune OH NO

    • @blazedgamingkr1438
      @blazedgamingkr1438 3 года назад +6

      My dad pulled this trick before, except it was for cigarettes.

  • @solaris1520
    @solaris1520 3 года назад +1914

    Can we talk about why he has a world named “are villagers antisocial?”

  • @leviathjensen2149
    @leviathjensen2149 3 года назад +1566

    “Both seeds converted to binary are the same but just a couple of 0s swapped in” bruh it’s binary you can say that about most numbers

    • @NamesAreObsolete
      @NamesAreObsolete 3 года назад +235

      It hurt seeing him misunderstand binary like that

    • @conradrobinson7941
      @conradrobinson7941 3 года назад +30

      Sure but the seed has to be the same length

    • @firefish111
      @firefish111 3 года назад +46

      also that first seed was also the maximum positive seed possible

    • @jordanismyname6811
      @jordanismyname6811 3 года назад +6

      the string length though

    • @Photek24
      @Photek24 3 года назад +23

      Yeah I was dying watching him talk about that

  • @zorbix3652
    @zorbix3652 3 года назад +659

    "Minecraft worlds can`t be the same.. or can they?"
    *Vsauce intensified*

  • @imlockedinmyfriendsbasment
    @imlockedinmyfriendsbasment 3 года назад +1015

    I find it beautiful that you can share the same chunk with someone you don't know, possibly on the other side of the world.

    • @HeroDestrin
      @HeroDestrin 3 года назад +43

      out of context this sounds really sus XD but yeah that's true

    • @ReiDaTecnologia
      @ReiDaTecnologia 3 года назад +8

      True, i never thought of that...

    • @Placeholder103
      @Placeholder103 3 года назад +18

      thats really wholesome

    • @Toastysoup1909
      @Toastysoup1909 3 года назад +8

      Or with someone right next to you..

    • @user-ez7lj5wi4m
      @user-ez7lj5wi4m 3 года назад +18

      I think there are a lot of people whis whom you share, as there are only 16*16*256*5000 possible arrangements of blocks in the chunk (may be some more, depending on dimension and Biomes) that is about 3.27*10**8, and a lot of this arrangements are impossible or rare (for example chunk full of chests or diamond blocks), and there are 5*10**8 people who play Minecraft, and all of them created at least one world, and thousands of chunks, so at average every chunk was seen 10 thousand times. Of course i didn't take into account that there could be much more arrangements if we will try to find not only blocks but things inside chests, but i,m almost certain that even in that case most chunks was seen not only one time

  • @yassssine5024
    @yassssine5024 3 года назад +269

    Imagine just exploring the mineshaft and you really want to explore all of it and you go all the way to the world border

    • @ShakespeareChan
      @ShakespeareChan 3 года назад +7

      Literally trying to do that, on a different seed, but there is a stupid RAVINE!!!!!

    • @JeremyHale141
      @JeremyHale141 2 года назад +2

      it would take like 1+ month

    • @yassssine5024
      @yassssine5024 2 года назад +3

      @@JeremyHale141 way more. The record to the farlands (30 thousand blocks) took 9 months or smth

    • @savetheevo
      @savetheevo 2 года назад +4

      @@yassssine5024 It's actually 12 million blocks and it actually took until 2020 for someone to actually reach the farlands on foot without cheats.

  • @user-cs2re9qh7x
    @user-cs2re9qh7x 3 года назад +367

    The Unsolved Mystery why Wifies only has 100k

    • @cuteapple8963
      @cuteapple8963 3 года назад +2

      It's because he makes boring videos just teaching us math

    • @777mato
      @777mato 3 года назад +7

      @@cuteapple8963 what about game theory/film theory? they have 10m

    • @commander8625
      @commander8625 3 года назад +4

      @@777mato game theory covers every top game on the market, and therefore staying in the mix. They increase their fanbase by covering many games or movies of many different genres. Plus, game theory includes obvious jokes and less monotone voice acting.

    • @juocyjay5732
      @juocyjay5732 3 года назад

      @Dinmeraz78 yeah but what does that matter

    • @coolcat.488
      @coolcat.488 3 года назад +2

      the real reason is because he comments on every video and grabs some clout

  • @Solowraith4life
    @Solowraith4life 3 года назад +111

    When he mentioned the pigeon hole thrown he was close. The problem was he focused on chunks rather than what generates chunks. Chunks are determined by the seed of the world, Minecraft works by hashing your seed, there's an "infinite" number of things you can input for a seed but they all get converted into a specific number using this hash function. Because there's an infinite domain and a finite range this leads to multiples of the same input mapping to the same hashed value, this is what's known as a hash collision.

    • @GayAnnabeth
      @GayAnnabeth 3 года назад +6

      ok except the seeds he was entering were the raw number, and not arbitrary strings of text
      it is very obvious that there are more than 2^64 strings of text you can enter into the seed field

  • @thiccymcdunk1745
    @thiccymcdunk1745 3 года назад +31

    I love how at 0:06 he has two worlds named “The sponge you shower with” and “Are villagers antisocial”

  • @wasabithumbs6294
    @wasabithumbs6294 3 года назад +243

    This video induces slight anxiety in those that actually know how Java Random works

    • @ehx3419
      @ehx3419 3 года назад +13

      @Chonghan L As someone who started out with Java as my first programming language, I have a hard time understanding how it could traumatize anyone. To me, it's the best programming language I've ever programmed in. There's just something incredibly satisfying about applying object oriented paradigms in a way that makes sense and feels natural.
      Then again, it's understandable if it's on your list of things you suck at. (Which there's nothing wrong with. Everyone has a list of things they suck at.)

    • @BlueSodaPop_
      @BlueSodaPop_ 3 года назад +2

      @@ehx3419 I started learning java at first and I didn't understand a single bit about it. Something about it seemed so off to me. Maybe it has something to it that makes some people feel like me

    • @ehx3419
      @ehx3419 3 года назад +5

      @@BlueSodaPop_ Most Java courses and learning books don't explain OOP until rather late, despite the fact it's a fundamental part of the language, and that might be what confuses people. I was lucky to have learned it with Greenfoot initially which follows a different approach: Before even explaining the basic code statements, it first discusses the idea behind OOP. That idea weaves through the entire course, in particular regarding modularity. This makes the chapter about classes much less of a "we introduce a whole new pattern that changes the way you code completely and that you probably noticed the whole time but never knew what it was all about" and more of an "ok, but how do you actually do OOP?", which to me feels much more consistent.
      That approach does have its downsides, though. When I subsequently studied Computer Science at the UAS, I was constantly using OOP for things where it makes zero sense (such as an entire class hierarchy to create String messages to print) and thought that's how you're supposed to do things. I learned that part rather quickly, however. Mere 2-3 semesters later, my code from early 1st semester felt embarassing to look back at.

    • @OpTubeShorts
      @OpTubeShorts 3 года назад

      @Chonghan Liu play bedrock

    • @dannygjk
      @dannygjk 3 года назад +1

      @@ehx3419 Java is unbelievably inefficient tho.

  • @OnetheBest
    @OnetheBest 3 года назад +844

    imagine if some seeds could be altered by mojang, that would be so cool. imagine a seed that has "Sub to Wifies" just built at spawn

    • @Goonqq
      @Goonqq 3 года назад +37

      That would be wholesome

    • @Wifies
      @Wifies  3 года назад +160

      dude that'd be awesome

    • @darkpotato6577
      @darkpotato6577 3 года назад +5

      ayy it’s oneTB

    • @guyv3693
      @guyv3693 3 года назад +6

      They should make it so you could customize seeds

    • @paulinajohnson368
      @paulinajohnson368 3 года назад

      Lol

  • @Meckolo
    @Meckolo 2 года назад +77

    imagine trying to explore a mineshaft and not knowing that it’s infinite

    • @failedattempttm
      @failedattempttm 2 года назад +7

      I'd start crying 😭

    • @JeremyHale141
      @JeremyHale141 2 года назад +1

      you'd either find out eventually or think you're going in a circle lol

    • @7MinutozRapsLetras
      @7MinutozRapsLetras 4 месяца назад

      @@JeremyHale141 think you're going in a square* its minecraft man

    • @arianathenova
      @arianathenova 2 месяца назад

      The backrooms

  • @NotNitehawk
    @NotNitehawk 3 года назад +22

    The last four digits of the seed, in Decimal, are responsible for structure gen. As long as you keep those last four digits the same, you will always have the same structure gen. This is something that has been known by the Minecraft Set Seed community for quite some time.

  • @froggman66
    @froggman66 3 года назад +378

    Nobody: Wifies in 2069: how many eggs in every server are there on minecraft

    • @ezriha
      @ezriha 3 года назад +5

      I suppose you also don’t know how to enter/return

    • @want-diversecontent3887
      @want-diversecontent3887 3 года назад

      @@ezriha
      (or if you use windows,
      )

    • @itzslayr1435
      @itzslayr1435 3 года назад

      The seed were 2 lost twins

    • @ezriha
      @ezriha 3 года назад

      @@want-diversecontent3887 I’m computer and ios

    • @betne5523
      @betne5523 3 года назад +2

      I'll give him 2 weeks to do that video

  • @ForkGenesis
    @ForkGenesis 3 года назад +711

    Turned himself into a Minecraft Vsause, coolest shit I've even seen.

  • @vicsalvagun5597
    @vicsalvagun5597 3 года назад +133

    so, i remember before 10 years i was watching a mc youtuber who had just started a new world, o month later i started a game WITH THE EXACT CHUNKS as his. Same biomes, some villages etc.

    • @marlosuper
      @marlosuper 3 года назад +20

      this is a certified what moment

    • @ollympian_art
      @ollympian_art 2 года назад +9

      @@notkyoze r/ihavereddit

    • @siopal9021
      @siopal9021 2 года назад +2

      proof?

    • @fransiscayulianita68
      @fransiscayulianita68 2 года назад +3

      @@siopal9021 Trust me bro.

    • @icespirit
      @icespirit Год назад +2

      liar moment. you can only randomly generate one of the seeds of a "set of copies" and the chances are still 1 in 2^48

  • @QuietTurbinesVods
    @QuietTurbinesVods 3 года назад +67

    Me seeing this video with 1 minute before class:
    Also me:
    Yeah, I've got time.

    • @mr.theGOAT420
      @mr.theGOAT420 3 года назад

      I am in a zoom session while I am commenting

  • @progamerdgd943
    @progamerdgd943 3 года назад +447

    Wifies: some seeds have copies
    Antvenom: *I am four parallel universes ahead of you*

  • @iljone
    @iljone 3 года назад +407

    nobody gonna talk about how the skywars footage was recorded two months ago

    • @Wifies
      @Wifies  3 года назад +123

      lol this was just scheduled a while ago but yes. I have this huge folder of background footage I randomly select from

    • @cn7032
      @cn7032 3 года назад +6

      @@Wifies hi wifies how are you

    • @akkredstone4052
      @akkredstone4052 3 года назад +1

      :/?

    • @user83nf3
      @user83nf3 3 года назад +1

      no
      no one's gonno

    • @cy-bernet-ix
      @cy-bernet-ix 3 года назад +1

      @@Wifies i've seen this exact footage in like 3 different videos from you smh

  • @emberaes3915
    @emberaes3915 3 года назад +68

    Ok, so I go into a world to speedrun, right? I see a ruined portal and a village, loot the village, go into the portal, then explore and found another ruined portal in the nether with the exact same loot as the overworld one. Just thought this was weird

    • @bigfatstinkyrat9167
      @bigfatstinkyrat9167 3 года назад +2

      But more importantly what was your time?

    • @eclecticsoffy
      @eclecticsoffy 3 года назад +2

      May we have the seed?
      Also, did you complete it, and what is the time?

    • @emberaes3915
      @emberaes3915 3 года назад +3

      @@bigfatstinkyrat9167 nope, cuz there was no fortress for a solid 5 min

    • @emberaes3915
      @emberaes3915 3 года назад +6

      @@eclecticsoffy I'll have to re find the seed, hopefully I didn't already delete it. And no, I didn't complete it.

    • @eclecticsoffy
      @eclecticsoffy 3 года назад +5

      @@emberaes3915 welp, too bad you didn't complete it, but who am I to tell you that you must complete a speedrun

  • @theoceanskyesystem9463
    @theoceanskyesystem9463 3 года назад +19

    Wifies: **Spitting numbers**
    Me: I didn't get a word of that.

  • @nathana.2381
    @nathana.2381 3 года назад +276

    6:45 "Its basically the same thing, but with zeros swapped out for the ones"
    That's binary there's only zeros and ones.

    • @randombanana640
      @randombanana640 3 года назад +2

      exactly what i was thinking bruhhhh

    • @kangalio
      @kangalio 3 года назад +4

      I don't see the problem..?

    • @randombanana640
      @randombanana640 3 года назад +24

      @@kangalio Umm Maybe You Don't Understand Binary Completely :)

    • @jammiejammed
      @jammiejammed 3 года назад +4

      @@randombanana640 what's here to understand tho it's literally 1 or 0 😭

    • @randombanana640
      @randombanana640 3 года назад +3

      @@jammiejammed Lol 😂

  • @mickzivpetreanu3267
    @mickzivpetreanu3267 3 года назад +187

    420vapemaster69 WHAT A NAME!

  • @spaceglidinmio2388
    @spaceglidinmio2388 3 года назад +19

    0:30
    I actually has that seed as one of my hardcore world once
    I still remember that spawn point

    • @itzk1ndah945
      @itzk1ndah945 2 года назад +2

      Did you die in the hardcore world or no?
      If you did die, how?
      Just curious

    • @CamrynChanelC
      @CamrynChanelC 2 года назад

      I've got this seed too

    • @Redslayer88
      @Redslayer88 Год назад

      That like very familiar

  • @TonyThigh
    @TonyThigh 3 года назад +9

    I remeber that in the old times, when putting a seed, if you out alot of "0" you get infinite mountains and ravines too

  • @mooing_cowmilk
    @mooing_cowmilk 3 года назад +278

    The entire part of can there be the same chunk in the same chunk on two different seeds is always a yes. It is called sister seeds that share all the same loot and structures (and biome(s) to a %). For every world you make there are 2^16 -1 other seeds just like that one (that's 65535
    seeds). Sisters are used a lot when finding the perfect seed for speedrunning. The same chunk in different coords is interesting and currently unknown. Also just as a note: sister seed is not a shadow seed, they are 2 completely different things.

    • @annaw.1951
      @annaw.1951 3 года назад +44

      Just thought I'd add some details here: Minecraft uses Java's built-in random number functions to generate structures and loot, but some other algorithm (perlin or simplex noise, I believe) for terrain.
      Java uses a linear congruential generator with a 48-bit seed to generate random numbers. The seeds you provide to Minecraft are 64 bit.
      What this means is that the structure generation essentially "cuts off" the highest-order 16 bit of the seed and uses the remaining 48 bit to generate structures, but the terrain and biome generation still uses the whole 64-bit seed. Note how the two seeds Wifies shows that have the same structures only differ within the first 16 bit. When he changed 8 random bits, he didn't take any care not to change the lower 48 bit, so the structures were different.
      This means that there are 65536 times fewer possible structure seeds than there are world seeds. Consequentially, there will always be sets of 65536 seeds that share exactly the same structures.

    • @AlexisTwoLastNames
      @AlexisTwoLastNames 3 года назад +11

      @@annaw.1951 this comment makes me want to continue my learning abt algorithms lol

    • @pardeepgarg2640
      @pardeepgarg2640 2 года назад +2

      If your information and my calculations are right coming across two such seeds in row has percentage
      3.1553... × 10^(-30)
      But by terrain generation noises and equation
      Two seeds having same block in same x,y,z coords has percentage
      68.1 × Rarity factor × Constant (depending on seeds)
      But by this
      Coming across such seeds is like 1 in Septillion that is quite low as compared to above :/

  • @Stella_X
    @Stella_X 3 года назад +314

    Can we all appreciate the rare tall birch forest in the intro while he was showing the terrain for a moment?

    • @prettylilhedpoppyseed
      @prettylilhedpoppyseed 3 года назад +7

      Birch is my fave, and i had no idea these existed.. Thank you.

    • @Stella_X
      @Stella_X 3 года назад +1

      @@prettylilhedpoppyseed ur welcome

    • @enforcingolive4307
      @enforcingolive4307 3 года назад +7

      Is it really an actual rare birch tree biome? I thought it was just a result of his FOV

    • @Stella_X
      @Stella_X 3 года назад +16

      @@enforcingolive4307 yes, it is a sub variant of a birch forest, and its actually the 5th rarest biome in the game, and you can look it up if you want to fact check it.

    • @felixergastulis6808
      @felixergastulis6808 3 года назад +5

      My first Minecraft world of 2021 I spawned in one, I didn’t realize how rare they were

  • @CRT_Static
    @CRT_Static 3 года назад +21

    "Now I dont know that much about world generation-"
    **proceeds to explain in depth how it works**

  • @Randy_Marsh
    @Randy_Marsh 3 года назад +53

    The vsauce music, the “or is it”. This is a masterpiece. You’re definitely Michael, or are you? *vsauce music plays

  • @georgelaycock737
    @georgelaycock737 3 года назад +58

    so the last few numbers or so of a seed when converted into binary are what define the structures, the former characters are what define the biomes and what not, so if you add 2^16 to a seed, you'll get a "sister" seed, they have the same structure generations but different biomes. this strategy was used in the 1.8.9 SSG speedrun to find the most optimal seed for the run.

  • @annabethmoo1213
    @annabethmoo1213 3 года назад +128

    ...I can't be the only one that laughed at the calculator saying infinity for five mins straight, right?

  • @zqrxxx
    @zqrxxx 2 года назад +5

    Just wait till they find that one iron ore block out of place..

  • @singingcat02
    @singingcat02 Год назад

    I really love watching your videos, and one of the reasons is you making the effort of doing your own research and calculations. It's not really common to see gaming youtubers using their own calculations as backup to their theories and as further and clear explanation of how the game system genuinely works. It's good to see someone who can start from pure facts and build something strong only from them. Your reasonings are just pleasant to hear, even though I may struggle to understand english, especially fast-spoken, sometimes ! Keep up the good work !

  • @Jake_Josh
    @Jake_Josh 3 года назад +817

    Dream and Wifies should collab and do a Unsolved Minecraft to start off season 2 Episode 2 in style.

    • @anaccount4354
      @anaccount4354 3 года назад +9

      Start off season 2? The Herobrine video does exist, ya know.

    • @EthanAlexander
      @EthanAlexander 3 года назад +1

      @@anaccount4354
      LoL it should be a different series

    • @sunny_xiao
      @sunny_xiao 3 года назад +1

      No

    • @Redditard
      @Redditard 3 года назад +1

      Agreed

    • @catshmil8617
      @catshmil8617 3 года назад +2

      Absolotly

  • @ART3K_
    @ART3K_ 3 года назад +71

    There's Vsauce music in the backround. Wifies is mutating.

  • @Fireknight886
    @Fireknight886 3 месяца назад +1

    You could literally have an identical seed except for 1 chunk because all worlds are infinite.
    Video is also super cool, I appreciate all the effort you put in!

  • @TurkJD
    @TurkJD 3 года назад +1

    You’ve gotta be my favorite MC YT’er, every other Yt’er always sounds cringy, like a child, and never fully gets to the point directly. I appreciate your videos. EZ Sub

  • @inconspicuoususername
    @inconspicuoususername 3 года назад +333

    This really isn't even remotely unsolved, and we know exactly why all of these anomalies happen. It's just that the explanation is so technical and requires so much understanding of computer science that very, very few people truly understand enough to explain it in detail.

    • @conradrobinson7941
      @conradrobinson7941 3 года назад +27

      Thats what unsolved mysteries is. Unsolved by the creator.

    • @jensbkgaardmastai6571
      @jensbkgaardmastai6571 3 года назад +15

      so you're saying it's so unexplainable, that it ACTUALLY can't be explained? woah! sounds like an unsolved mystery.

    • @inconspicuoususername
      @inconspicuoususername 3 года назад +65

      @@jensbkgaardmastai6571 But it's completely explainable, provided you're willing to put effort into even trying to understand. Hell, you can still dumb the explanation down enough for laymen, it's just that people haven't been arsed to do either of those things. So it's neither unexplainable, nor unsolved, unless your definition of "unsolveable/unexplainable" is simply "complicated to explain"

    • @jensbkgaardmastai6571
      @jensbkgaardmastai6571 3 года назад +1

      @@inconspicuoususername well okay

    • @sa.rahtonin
      @sa.rahtonin 3 года назад +3

      @@jensbkgaardmastai6571 wait are you the same guy who just consoled me about my dead dog today

  • @BrodieEaton
    @BrodieEaton 3 года назад +87

    I'm actually strangely knowledgeable in the area of infinite terrain generation, although the jargon in IT is "progressive terrain generation" since it's not actually infinite, it just progresses as the player progresses. Although I don't know exactly how Minecraft does their progressive terrain, there is some technical knowledge I can supply, and hopefully I'll be able to help solve the mystery shown at 6:00.
    For starters, the surface of the world is generated using a type of visual noise known as "Perlin Noise", used to generate visual black-and-white noise that transitions smoothly between minimum and maximum values. This noise script is added onto itself as many times as the developers choose to generate Fractal Noise, to give smaller details on top of the larger shape. However, this type of script has one fatal flaw, being that every single instance of Perlin Noise is identical; you can't have random Perlin Noise.
    So, what developers do to get around this is they randomise where the Perlin Noise is initially sampled from, and these values are so high that it might as well be random Perlin Noise. When it comes to fractal noise, each layer of Perlin Noise (aka each octave of Perlin Noise) is sampled individually from the other layers, allowing each layer to be sampled from entirely different locations, providing more randomness to the terrain. The easiest way to accomplish this is to just put the world-seed into a random-number generator to spit out an x-offset and y-offset for each layer of Perlin Noise. Then, to turn the shape of the fractal noise into an actual 3D surface, each value within the perlin noise is interpreted by Minecraft's code as a value between 0 and 255, with interpretations being different depending on the biome the values are being interpreted in.
    Now, with all of this knowledge presented, I'm going to show you why these two worlds were completely identical at these specific coordinates and why there are probably many more coordinates in these worlds that are identical, and it has to do with the way that random number generators actually work. For starters, there is no such thing as a "random number generator". They're actually "pseudo-random number generators", with "pseudo-random" meaning "fake random". While I won't go into detail on how they work, RNG is nothing more than basic mathematics with really large numbers outputting relatively small numbers, to make the outputs look random. Which means the same input for an RNG script will give the same output. The other thing to know about RNG is that each output it generates will always become the input the next time it's called, unless the code changes the input directly. It is very possible that two numbers, when put into the same random-number generator, will output the same number. And, since that output becomes the next input, the second, third, fourth, fifth, and every other number that is generated by that random number generator will be identical, until the input is directly changed by the code. If you were paying attention earlier, you might be able to piece this mystery together now.
    Like I said before, the sampling of Perlin Noise is offset randomly using a random-number generator, where the world-seed is the initial input. So, what has happened here is that these two seeds, when put through the random-number generator, outputted exactly the same result for the first time it was called, meaning every other time this random-number generator was called outputted the same numbers for both seeds, giving both of the worlds exactly the same Fractal Noise. That's why they were identical when you got to those coordinates. Which then raises the question as to why it was only at these coordinates that the worlds were identical, but if you were paying attention earlier you'd probably know that too, and it has to do with the biomes. Like I mentioned earlier, each biome interprets the fractal noise differently, so that the surfaces of different biomes generate differently to each-other.
    I have no clue as to how Minecraft's biome-distribution works (although I'm beginning research on biome distribution shortly), but what's happened is these biomes just so happened to be identical at these coordinates. And, since the fractal noise for both worlds are identical, and the biomes at this location is identical, the surface for both worlds were generated identically at this location. The ores, grass, caves, trees and ruined portals, are probably also generated with a similar process using RNG, which is why these were also identical at these location.
    Theoretically, so long as the biomes for both worlds are identical at a certain locations, there could be so many more locations within these worlds that are identical. I'd suggest going to the ChunkBase Biome Finder and trying to find some coordinates where the biomes in each world are identical. I just found a point at X -6378, Z -12297 if someone wants to give that a go.

    • @BlueSodaPop_
      @BlueSodaPop_ 3 года назад +17

      I didn't understand a single word but I just wanted to appreciate your effort.

    • @DarkShadows713
      @DarkShadows713 3 года назад +2

      This is really interesting, but now I want to know, if the Perlin for these two worlds is identical, and the surface is therefore identical, but the biomes are different, then the biomes must be determined by a different RNG, right? So how are those determined?

    • @BrodieEaton
      @BrodieEaton 3 года назад +2

      @@DarkShadows713 I have no idea and I've been trying to work that out myself for the terrain tool I'm working on. My best guess is that Biomes use a type of visual noise that is specific for its cause, but in the end I have no clue.

    • @ulasgolbasi9719
      @ulasgolbasi9719 3 года назад

      what. the. F*CK. was. this. now?

    • @roryr9639
      @roryr9639 2 года назад +1

      didn't read it all since it's SOOO long but you seem to have a lot of knowledge on terrain generation

  • @CrimsonJewel
    @CrimsonJewel 3 года назад +4

    The seed: *I can't think of a type of world generation style on this chunk. Maybe I'll just copy the others.*

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 3 года назад

    Great analysis! Thanks for uploading!

  • @t4rgetedd
    @t4rgetedd 3 года назад +204

    Theory:
    Every world is connected with eachother.

    • @t4rgetedd
      @t4rgetedd 3 года назад +1

      @CoaliceYT oh ok

    • @ghostwhodoesthemost9886
      @ghostwhodoesthemost9886 3 года назад +8

      IVE BEEN THINKING THIS FOR SO LONG

    • @archangel.....
      @archangel..... 3 года назад +6

      I think every world has a similar chunk from other world in it

    • @t4rgetedd
      @t4rgetedd 3 года назад

      @@archangel..... yes ig

    • @InterTheGalactican
      @InterTheGalactican 3 года назад +1

      acctually this might apply to roblox but not directly connected

  • @ghostella_8348
    @ghostella_8348 3 года назад +164

    In 0.7 pocket edition its actually the same seed just different location

    • @Wifies
      @Wifies  3 года назад +43

      That's actually really cool, I had no idea

    • @Versuffe
      @Versuffe 3 года назад +15

      @@Wifies spawn on seeds are different. So these worlds you have An area inaccessible on another next to border.

    • @storm_fling1062
      @storm_fling1062 3 года назад +2

      @@Wifies maybe the seed has littrally just one tiny block diffrent

    • @YoshiLikesFate
      @YoshiLikesFate 3 года назад

      @@storm_fling1062 SOME seeds

    • @bettercalldelta
      @bettercalldelta 3 года назад +4

      When I first played Minecraft, I always thought that the world is the same but I appear in different locations

  • @nimeesha4388
    @nimeesha4388 3 года назад

    Wow I respect u cause u did so much research for this. Earned a sub

  • @thebardsdungeon
    @thebardsdungeon 3 года назад

    Dude! I thought I was a savant because of some of my ridiculous builds, but you have to be a savant because of the things you are able to work out! Respect!

  • @Walnusskreis
    @Walnusskreis 3 года назад +82

    0:35 Hello vsauce wifis here!

  • @BalintCsala
    @BalintCsala 3 года назад +6

    Those seeds at around 5:30 aren't different completely, they have the same remainder when divided by 2^48, which due to some technical reasons related to java is what matters for structure generation

    • @BalintCsala
      @BalintCsala 3 года назад +2

      Essentially, if you put these into the random generator of java and request a sequence of 64 bit random numbers, it will give you the exact same results

    • @BalintCsala
      @BalintCsala 3 года назад +2

      The reason the seeds don't look the same is because the two numbers don't have the same remainder when divided by 2^64 (2 to the power of 64) and terrain generation uses the full 64 bits

  • @Justanothergirl009
    @Justanothergirl009 2 года назад

    Good job buddy!
    Really appreciate all your hard work.

  • @chibiyuka
    @chibiyuka 3 года назад +2

    so I recently learned this from one of the videos I came across with. The specific binaries you've pointed out that are similar are what affects those generations for the ruined portals and such so it's high likely there are multiple other seeds with the same location generation regardless of the biome due to the difference in the first few binaries.

  • @The7thFleet
    @The7thFleet 3 года назад +33

    ”Unsolved mystery”
    haven’t seen that title for a long time

  • @madkirk7431
    @madkirk7431 3 года назад +23

    He became Vsause the second that music started.

    • @LawrenceEvers
      @LawrenceEvers 3 года назад

      Ye like nice knock off vsause with the "or can they" start

    • @OpTubeShorts
      @OpTubeShorts 3 года назад

      You're everywhere

  • @MrSilver172
    @MrSilver172 2 месяца назад +2

    I'm no expert, but maybe the two identical chunks have something to do with 9223372036854775807 being the 64-bit integer limit?

  • @minerobloxer1gaming663
    @minerobloxer1gaming663 2 года назад +1

    0:30 Objection from PW:AA on note blocks love it!

  • @greenman784
    @greenman784 3 года назад +48

    "Same World, Different Seed"
    People who discovered the world in the title screen in Minecraft: **chuckles** I'm in danger

    • @Yqe-
      @Yqe- 3 года назад +2

      Why would we be in danger?

    • @randomlightstand
      @randomlightstand 3 года назад

      @@Yqe- because it might be a different seed

    • @Yqe-
      @Yqe- 3 года назад

      @@randomlightstand what? you do know that all sister seeds for the title screen are known, and since it's beta 1.7 they all generate the exact same

    • @randomlightstand
      @randomlightstand 3 года назад +2

      @@Yqe- its just a joke wth

  • @shapeswitch_mood7221
    @shapeswitch_mood7221 3 года назад +17

    I appreciate the Attorney Ace noteblock music you put when you make a plot twist.

  • @Julianiolo
    @Julianiolo 3 года назад +10

    For everyone that's confused about the binary stuff:
    He is right, there is an interesting pattern behind them
    The seeds in binary are (binary is just a way of writing a number with just 0 and 1):
    0101 1001 0111 0000 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 and
    0111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111
    Both are 64 "places"(called bits) long.
    The special thing is that both seeds only differ in the first 16 ones and zeros (technically 15 bc of the 0 in the start), the rest is all 1.
    The second one is because of all the 1s the biggest number you can write (with 64 many 0s and 1s).
    The third thing is that the 1st place is always 0.
    Thats also why i think the possible number of seeds with this pattern are not 2^16 = 65536, but infact probably only 2^15 so 32768. That is just speculation on my side though.
    The last 48 bits of the number are the same.
    Minecraft uses all bits for the terrain generation, but only these last 48 for generating structures, which is likely the reason the last 48 bits are the same.

  • @anyadina2913
    @anyadina2913 2 года назад

    incredible video, as always !

  • @victoriawhitfield8943
    @victoriawhitfield8943 3 года назад +44

    I used to rule the world
    Chunks would load when I gave the word
    Now every night I go stow away
    Hide from the mobs I used to slay
    They once were terrified
    Every time I looked into their eyes
    Villagers would cheer my way
    For a hero I was, that's what they'd say
    One minute we had it all
    Next our world began to fall
    Away from all that it had once become
    They all cried for my help, but I stood there numb
    I gaze off into the boundless skyline
    Noteblock choirs playing in the sunshine
    Turn 'round pick up my sword and wield
    The blade that once forced evil mobs to yield
    And hope one day that this chaos and
    Destruction turns for the better
    Never a bow in hand
    That was when I ruled the land
    It was the creepers and Skeletons
    Blew down the doors and boxed us in
    Arrows whizzing by like streaks of light
    I tried all that I could to stay and fight
    As the undead roamed the street
    Families broken at my feet
    Life itself suspended by a thread
    Oh, why is it that I wasn't dead
    I gaze off into the boundless skyline
    Noteblock choirs playing in the sunshine
    Turn 'round pick up my sword and wield
    The blade that once forced evil mobs to yield
    If this battle should leave me slain
    I know Herobrine will call my name
    Better to take a stand
    That was when I ruled the land
    I gaze off into the boundless skyline
    Noteblock choirs playing in the sunshine
    Turn 'round pick up my sword and wield
    The blade that once forced evil mobs to yield
    If this battle should leave me slain
    I know Herobrine will call my name
    Better to take a stand
    That was when I ruled the land

  • @amayans4230
    @amayans4230 3 года назад +23

    Yes, in the end dimension there are plenty of identical chunks

  • @brunoberti8790
    @brunoberti8790 3 месяца назад +2

    Antvenom has a video on "shadow" seeds, witch might be fenómeno you're experiencing here

  • @pepetheleaksta6456
    @pepetheleaksta6456 3 года назад

    Really appreciated this video thanks

  • @user-dl3vn8ze9n
    @user-dl3vn8ze9n 3 года назад +46

    I could listen to RUclipsrs doing math all day, as long as I DON'T have to do it.

  • @fanimationsoldacc
    @fanimationsoldacc 3 года назад +6

    Since when did you hit 120K?! Congrats!

  • @user-pr6ed3ri2k
    @user-pr6ed3ri2k 3 месяца назад +1

    3:55 that mineshaft was really weird, imagine loading up a new world and traversing that shaft for eons

  • @kavkazdemon
    @kavkazdemon 3 года назад

    Bro this channel is noice I always learn something new when watching

  • @danielw2807
    @danielw2807 3 года назад +3

    5:00 this happend to me once in a creative and surivial world and I just thought WTF I HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE, sadly it was so long ago, I do not remember the seeds

  • @komodokraft7814
    @komodokraft7814 3 года назад +19

    0:37 lmao you sound like vsauce
    1:55 LITERALLY using vsauce music lolol

    • @sandpaperunderthetable6708
      @sandpaperunderthetable6708 3 года назад +2

      Plot twist he is vsauce

    • @FasterBueno
      @FasterBueno 3 года назад +1

      Plot twist WE are V sauce

    • @astracrits4633
      @astracrits4633 3 года назад

      @@FasterBueno Plot twist: the real VSauce was the friends we made along the way.

    • @eeeee6431
      @eeeee6431 3 года назад

      @@astracrits4633 Plot twist: We’re out of milk get some more

  • @notdolandark
    @notdolandark 2 года назад +3

    This is also the same reason that if the universe is infinitely large there’s an infinite number of you doing an infinite number of things and an infinite number of you doing the exact same thing as you

  • @juliefarrell6688
    @juliefarrell6688 3 года назад

    The ace atoury music is really the cherry on top for this vid!

  • @adamr7963
    @adamr7963 3 года назад +15

    Who's this Wifies kid and why did I sub at 1k? Ok well I guess I'll watch some more.
    love the vids man keep up the great work :D

    • @ofareh
      @ofareh 3 года назад

      same

  • @marloplayztsbthespaceboy1807
    @marloplayztsbthespaceboy1807 3 года назад +3

    15:22 SUPER MATH TIME STARTS

  • @-na-nomad6247
    @-na-nomad6247 3 года назад +1

    13:46 "Dear Notch, Hi ! It's me ! Austin !"

  • @59garymajor
    @59garymajor 3 года назад

    This reminds me of the shadow worlds of Minecraft, worlds that generate biomes in the same place/cords but everything else is different, makes you think about how random isn’t really random.

  • @staredgazer6961
    @staredgazer6961 3 года назад +9

    And in conclusion, there are a lot of pigeons.

  • @Dex-YT-rl1ek
    @Dex-YT-rl1ek 3 года назад +6

    0:37 vsauce music starts playing

  • @jakeparkinson7695
    @jakeparkinson7695 3 года назад +2

    whats funny is terrain generation is separate from cave generation, so theoretically you can get worlds that have different caves and the same terrain or the opposite.

  • @CollapseWasHere
    @CollapseWasHere 3 месяца назад +1

    When I was a kid, I didn't have an actual minecraft copy so my mom got me a pirated version off some website she got music off of (early 2010's eastern europe dw). I spent so much time in a single world, my base was a hole dug in to a tiny hill which I remember distinctly. After some time, I got bored of the world and decided to make a new one. I spawned in a completely different location and ran around to find a nice place to dig yet another hole to call home. I remember, clear as day, walking through a forest, and through a small opening, I saw the same, identical planes biome with that same exact hill. I remember thinking "Ah, the memories" before waddling away to dig myself in the ground 2 minutes later because I was scared of spiders xd. I legit thought that every world was the same, just the spawns were really far away so they all seemed different.

  • @woowee3280
    @woowee3280 3 года назад +4

    i could have sworn your skywars background gameplay was in another video of yours...
    at 3:49
    Edit : AHA! ive found it! its in “V O I D L A D D E R”!

  • @Kapin05
    @Kapin05 3 года назад +4

    Plains and ocean chunks in particular seem like great candidates for duplication. They don't generate emeralds or trees and have very predictable surface heights.

  • @iuse4rchbtw
    @iuse4rchbtw 3 года назад +1

    4:55 Fun fact: this is also the limit of a long long int (64-bit integer)

  • @koboiii1178
    @koboiii1178 3 года назад +1

    5:24 The fact that there was a spawner under the ruined portal is just...
    Incredible

  • @oldchannelnotused1
    @oldchannelnotused1 3 года назад +83

    am i the only person that doesn't understand a SINGLE thing said in this video?

    • @OnetheBest
      @OnetheBest 3 года назад +2

      have u watched the full video?

    • @oldchannelnotused1
      @oldchannelnotused1 3 года назад +3

      @@OnetheBest nope. i have watched like a quarter of it and i dont understand a single thing so far.

    • @InMySillyEra
      @InMySillyEra 3 года назад +2

      I'm halfway but still don't get it ;-;

    • @loristonkatsu6417
      @loristonkatsu6417 3 года назад +3

      I understand a little.But i dont understand the math😐

    • @zombieoverlord8441
      @zombieoverlord8441 3 года назад +3

      I actually find it really easy to understand

  • @shakewell42
    @shakewell42 3 года назад +9

    “Are villagers antisocial”
    *mood*

  • @Placeholder103
    @Placeholder103 3 года назад

    14:40 The "Hall of the Mountain King" song fit the mood so much

  • @TakoyakiDonuts
    @TakoyakiDonuts 3 года назад

    I remember running into basically my first world seed on the old Xbox 360 version. It was really interesting. I found the exact same mountain I made my first house on with the exception that it wasn’t a snowy biome, which when I first came across it in my first world, it was.

  • @thewhitefalcon8539
    @thewhitefalcon8539 3 года назад +8

    "we have no idea why the duplication happens in the first place" - you displayed a forum post, ON THE VIDEO, that tells you why!

  • @Sup-ih3mt
    @Sup-ih3mt 3 года назад +5

    16:07 look at the background footage! lolol

  • @Magnezone-ki5rg
    @Magnezone-ki5rg 3 года назад

    13:43 that is very fast... must've taken you a lot of tries... good work... i appreciate it... :D

  • @anongamercatlover2196
    @anongamercatlover2196 2 года назад

    “This Minecraft world is identical to a world you’ve already seen” is where I got spooked a bit because yes, that was, quite literally, a world that looked pretty much identical to one that I have loaded up on my own computer

  • @ignoremypaststupidity2719
    @ignoremypaststupidity2719 3 года назад +3

    In theory if something is infinite there will be an infinite number of things that are the same except for a slight single change. Technically if Minecraft worlds were truly infinite there would be an infinite amount of world the same except one block off

  • @cwj4618
    @cwj4618 3 года назад +3

    2:00 64 snowballs
    That’s illegal

  • @Post_the_most
    @Post_the_most 4 месяца назад +2

    In 2010 it sounds also more likely because there were fewer blocks

  • @thatminecraftplayer8767
    @thatminecraftplayer8767 3 года назад +2

    1:13 thats the rarest biome in minecraft the tall birch forest

  • @pookie6992
    @pookie6992 3 года назад +19

    omg not only is wifies entertaining and awesome at Minecraft, he’s also extremely smart

  • @Psi-9_AbyssGazers
    @Psi-9_AbyssGazers 3 года назад +3

    I remember on the pocket edition days when my cousin gave me a seed called "villagepls" and found an oak village connected to a sandstone village, I didn't know that a few PE players use the same world but a different seed

    • @tianosbits
      @tianosbits 3 года назад +1

      Do you know seed 999? I remember it used to be different villages if the mode for worlds are different (from what i mean modes its like infinity, old and flat) and i was shocked when someone was playing on that seed. Good times

  • @Yoyo.365
    @Yoyo.365 3 года назад +1

    I had this happens to me once when I opened a other world to test stuff on, it was same every where.

  • @alicechoi8950
    @alicechoi8950 3 года назад +2

    I'm brazilian and I was hearing him okey. But when he started talking fast at 13:50, I give up because I didn't understand anything he said, and I'm sad

    • @Alpha-rx8kc
      @Alpha-rx8kc 3 года назад

      Também não entendi nada sem a legenda