@4:55:15 Four years, a new Star Wars TCG finally coming out (in 2024). Zach was pretty spot on! Will watch the Unlimited update video, and share my thoughts on it there.
You guys should showcase this game again soon! I never gave this game a shot because I was a bit salty about the CCG being shut down, however watching you guys play it made me give it a shot (I had some cards laying around) and I really liked it a lot. I pulled the trigger on some more card on ebay soon thereafter! I recommend checking out the virtual sets and maybe building some new decks, that would be super fun to see.
I'm so glad you guys played this. I've been keeping an eye on the IDC releases and perusing all of their different and cool cards for years now, but nothing beats sitting down and actually playing the game with a friend. Seeing you guys have so much fun playing this really brought me back. Thanks for invoking those good memories. Hoping you guys will revisit this game from time to time.
Man, I totally missed this game when it was played!!! Would've been on board for sure. To me, having played lots of Minis games, the dice just seem FUN! Keep it up guys! Hope to see more 'Vintage CCGs' and more of this game!
According to Mark Rosewater, who assisted with the early design of this game, Richard had the conscious goal of emulating miniatures games, but with cards. As someone who cut their tabletop teeth on SWTCG this concept went completely over my head, but I appreciate it all the more in hindsight.
Played this game when I was a kid, so cool to see it played again. Will have to dig out my bag of cards and try it out again. Thanks so much for doing these. Just started watching recently but glad to have found a treasure trove of great content!
rewatching this is 2023, probably for the 5x, and still praying for that amazing Star Wars TCG throwback series! I know you're busy with store 3.0 but one can hope!! Thanks for all uploads! Im am so grateful; this video brought me out of a +10 year hiatus from this game :) now its my fav!
Finally finished the Stream (had to attack the 5+ hours in multiple sessions). Glad they had the bid for choosing LS or DS, cuz I understand this is a sample of decks & possibilities, but seems the LS has a competitive advantage! I would love more of these...
I kinda liked the deck building mechanics of the LCG, but the actual gameplay I found really clunky. Never played the TCG but it certainly looks very cool - but then it seems similar to Conquest and that's my jam. Gotta wonder if Destiny could have stuck around longer without the expense (and hassle for the rarest heroes) of custom dice. Maybe if they had just gone "bring your own D6s" it might still be around for a cycle or two.
It was a fun game. I remember the GenCon tournament that happened after release (GC was only a couple months after) had a ton of prize support (like big screen TVs).
In my experience, unskilled players with really bland beginner decks = massive impact of dice rolls. I'm learning a lot from this! I was one of the miffed CCG fans. But this game has some real strengths.
If you mean out of the deck altogether, I don’t recall this being the case, but doing so and then shuffling them into the deck after setup, as a house rule, would definitely add more options. I’d be curious to try this out!
I loved this one. I still have a crap load from every set❤️ I haven’t played in years, but I’ve always wanted to turn it into a one round game. One long battle. Maybe double the starting build points. A custom build die(d10)that starts at three up to twelve. Start with five force and earn five per turn. Just an idea I’d like to try out🤷🏾♂️ What’s cool is that you can play one arena games too👍🏻 Character vs Character fights are cool.
re-watching this in November...wondering if that "Dead Star Wars Games" night ever happened! darn you isolation!!!! But that literally sounds like high school 2003!
Looks like a fun game, thanks for showing! I think the whole ccg vs tcg argument most likely comes down to which game you played first. I know I would have liked the TCG after watching it played, but the CCG definitely looks more thematic. There is just something to be said about locations you can move to, like in the LOTR game. Just feels good. Plus something about drawing one card a turn is so dated now and always feels limiting. What's the point of building a deck you see only half the cards of? Still the point about both strategy and tactics can't be over valued. A game that has both is rare (CCG had it too I think, but the mismatches could really through it off). The TCG looks better than Destiny and I tend to agree with Steven on the LCG. That'd be fun to see Battletech CCG, I loved that game. Didn't realize it was a Garfield one too. Definitely one of the best designers ever!
Newbie question - just learning. After choosing sides and drawing your initial hand of 7; And concluding a single mulligan step exchanging let's say 2 (non-unit) cards as an example; During the setup of building, you encounter a situation where your hand of cards is unable to exceed your opponents point value? What happens? So you play a few units each - draw replacements - but then luck out and only redraw battle/mission cards. Does the 20 or so build points you would have remaining just disappear, and you stop stuck with a hand full of non-unit cards? Perhaps statistically unlikely scenario, but useful knowledge all the same.
You are correct, the remaining build points go unused. This is normally a deck-building problem and have too many non-unit cards or too many low-build-value units in your deck.
I remember when I learned how wrong I was playing this game. My cousin(he was a few yrs older than me) “read” the rules and “taught me how to play”, and it was so wrong; IE we didn’t use dice, just applied attack values, it was bad. I do remember going to my 1st tournament and getting smoked because I was basically learning how to play on sight w/o letting on I had no idea that I didn’t know how to play(too shy) and just lucky that I always had my box of dice on me. I think I played the CCG more correct than the TCG. Taught me to read the rules for myself when learning a new game, lol. Of course, now I just find “Watch it Played” or Team Covenant” before actually reading rules. This game has a great flow with an interesting win condition, love it!! The dice change is a real struggle; roll bad, dice’s fault, toss them and get new dice!! I will say… I was surprised Zach didn’t start off as dark side for 1st game. CCG, TCG, LCG, Destiny… The CCG created movie scenes. It told a story, the most thematic. And, I think, the most fun(and worthwhile) if you have a couple hrs. The TCG was about balancing the 3 arenas, a little more area control type game. A light, quick game that felt like Star Wars. The LCG, I think, attempted to repeat the success of the CCG in creating those Star Wars movie-esc moments and just didn’t get there. Its biggest strength is the deck building restrictions in you have 10(or more) pods of cards that come together so you are forced to make use of inferior cards in a grander strategy. I very much enjoy the LCG but I do think it failed in what it was trying to accomplish. I also think having a “clock” on the game in the form of the Death Star countdown didn’t do the game justice. I would have rather seen a true asymmetrical game with some other win condition for the Dark Side. Or 1st to destroy X Objectives; I think 3 was reasonable given the Death Star clock but I would like to see a game get to 4(or maybe 5) objectives if we remove the Death Star clock. Destiny was a focused view of a duel that did itself a massive injustice with the dice mechanic. The cards have their dice chart on them anyway, just roll a generic D6. Would have been much cleaner and easier to distribute, and cheaper!! I had high hopes of this game and just didn’t live up to my expectations of a Star Wars dueling game. Though it was fun, I think I just wanted more. “…the 3 months during Quarantine…” that didn’t age well ☹. Though, the answer didn’t change. I watched Team Covenant play cards games for x hrs a day; sometimes live, sometimes (re)watching my favorite games. I would hate a Star Wars unique deck game. I’m not a fan, personally. It doesn’t feel like a card game, to me, its nothing more than a board game without a board. I think when FFG comes out with the next Star Wars card game, it will be a CoOp game. I just hope that both Light and Dark are playable. I would not be nearly as invested if I couldn’t play as the bad guys. I also would love to see Warhammer Conquest reskinning with Star Wars. There are plenty of Star Wars factions and rallying systems to your cause is perfect; through military force or political persuasion. On a similar note, I think L5R will get a 2e as a CoOp. I would love to see it similar to Marvel Champions. Pick a factions hero and a supporting Clan, that’s your card pool. Each faction also has an enemy deck along with generic “bad guys cards” that get shuffled together to form the opponent.
Thank you so much for making this video! I’m 3/5 hours in and loving it. My cousin and I had tons of these and played for several years. I still have them all. My favorite cards are the Death Star and I also have the same rare preview Darth Vader card! I stopped about halfway through the sets’ production because I was a teenager and ran out of money lol. Now I can’t find them cheap enough but really want to build out the rest of my collection. It’s hard to when they cost astronomically more than regular MTG cards. I wish WotC would reprint these! With the recent announcement of them becoming their own division and moving into more licensed content, I will hold out hope. Anyways thanks again, you earned a new subscriber!
Did Zach rank the SW card games? I'd be interested to know his ranking. I love the LCG myself, but never got into the other 3 at all. Destiny and this one just have too much luck for my liking. (I must say, after watching more of this game, I can really see why people like it)
How strange - I tried to get into TCG, but couldn't find a group. I ended up starting CCG in 2002, ended up finding a great group, and got a lot of cards on the cheap since warehouses were trying to empty them out. Feel like I'm sort of the opposite of you two.
When a unit with Retaliate is attacked, it can roll its Retaliate value in dice back at the attacker. So if you have Retaliate 6 and you're attacked, you can roll 6 dice in response (after the attack is over)! Meditate means the following: "You may play this card from the discard pile without paying the printed cost. When this card would be discarded, remove it from the game instead."
You guys have any advice for where to find these cards I almost have a complete AOTC deck but can hardly find any from any other movies I was able to get some boosters for a new hope but that’s it even looking online it’s mostly aotc of ones I have
I never gave this game a real chance, I was put off by the dice rolling and none of the other CCG players picked it up. Seeing this definitely makes me want to give it a second look.
Heeey, you cannot discard Snowtrooper Elite Squad to satisfy the cost of Dark Sacrifice, because Snowtroopers cannot be discarded, they always retreat instead of being discarded. That's not cool.
That 1st game just highlighted why this game sucked so bad. The fact that only certain cards can go into certain arenas was a horrible design. It made it too easy to get completely shut out of the game due to not drawing enough of the right cards. The units should've been able to be deployed to any arena. Perhaps give them some sort of penalty for being in the "wrong" arena, but that least you'd have a chance.
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Thank you for taking me back to High School. Me and my brothers had hundreds of these cards and played for years!
@4:55:15 Four years, a new Star Wars TCG finally coming out (in 2024). Zach was pretty spot on!
Will watch the Unlimited update video, and share my thoughts on it there.
You guys should showcase this game again soon! I never gave this game a shot because I was a bit salty about the CCG being shut down, however watching you guys play it made me give it a shot (I had some cards laying around) and I really liked it a lot. I pulled the trigger on some more card on ebay soon thereafter! I recommend checking out the virtual sets and maybe building some new decks, that would be super fun to see.
I'm so glad you guys played this. I've been keeping an eye on the IDC releases and perusing all of their different and cool cards for years now, but nothing beats sitting down and actually playing the game with a friend. Seeing you guys have so much fun playing this really brought me back. Thanks for invoking those good memories. Hoping you guys will revisit this game from time to time.
Man, I totally missed this game when it was played!!! Would've been on board for sure. To me, having played lots of Minis games, the dice just seem FUN! Keep it up guys! Hope to see more 'Vintage CCGs' and more of this game!
According to Mark Rosewater, who assisted with the early design of this game, Richard had the conscious goal of emulating miniatures games, but with cards. As someone who cut their tabletop teeth on SWTCG this concept went completely over my head, but I appreciate it all the more in hindsight.
Played this game when I was a kid, so cool to see it played again. Will have to dig out my bag of cards and try it out again. Thanks so much for doing these. Just started watching recently but glad to have found a treasure trove of great content!
rewatching this is 2023, probably for the 5x, and still praying for that amazing Star Wars TCG throwback series! I know you're busy with store 3.0 but one can hope!! Thanks for all uploads! Im am so grateful; this video brought me out of a +10 year hiatus from this game :) now its my fav!
We couldn't ask for a better result! Newer does not equal better for TCGs, that's for sure.
I loved playing my clone deck back in the day. Clone Captain is one of my all time favorite cards.
Finally finished the Stream (had to attack the 5+ hours in multiple sessions). Glad they had the bid for choosing LS or DS, cuz I understand this is a sample of decks & possibilities, but seems the LS has a competitive advantage! I would love more of these...
I kinda liked the deck building mechanics of the LCG, but the actual gameplay I found really clunky. Never played the TCG but it certainly looks very cool - but then it seems similar to Conquest and that's my jam.
Gotta wonder if Destiny could have stuck around longer without the expense (and hassle for the rarest heroes) of custom dice. Maybe if they had just gone "bring your own D6s" it might still be around for a cycle or two.
This was so fun to watch. It's obvious that you both really love this game. Once you got the muscle memory back the joy was infectious. :)
We really do love this one. Such memories.
It was a fun game. I remember the GenCon tournament that happened after release (GC was only a couple months after) had a ton of prize support (like big screen TVs).
In my experience, unskilled players with really bland beginner decks = massive impact of dice rolls. I'm learning a lot from this! I was one of the miffed CCG fans. But this game has some real strengths.
I seem to remember the original rules explaining to not have battle or mission cards in your deck during the 30 build point set up.
If you mean out of the deck altogether, I don’t recall this being the case, but doing so and then shuffling them into the deck after setup, as a house rule, would definitely add more options. I’d be curious to try this out!
Just finished watching. This was amazing! Love this game. Would love to find a way to play in a large group setting!
I loved this one. I still have a crap load from every set❤️
I haven’t played in years, but I’ve always wanted to turn it into a one round game. One long battle. Maybe double the starting build points. A custom build die(d10)that starts at three up to twelve.
Start with five force and earn five per turn. Just an idea I’d like to try out🤷🏾♂️
What’s cool is that you can play one arena games too👍🏻
Character vs Character fights are cool.
re-watching this in November...wondering if that "Dead Star Wars Games" night ever happened! darn you isolation!!!! But that literally sounds like high school 2003!
Looks like a fun game, thanks for showing! I think the whole ccg vs tcg argument most likely comes down to which game you played first. I know I would have liked the TCG after watching it played, but the CCG definitely looks more thematic. There is just something to be said about locations you can move to, like in the LOTR game. Just feels good. Plus something about drawing one card a turn is so dated now and always feels limiting. What's the point of building a deck you see only half the cards of? Still the point about both strategy and tactics can't be over valued. A game that has both is rare (CCG had it too I think, but the mismatches could really through it off).
The TCG looks better than Destiny and I tend to agree with Steven on the LCG. That'd be fun to see Battletech CCG, I loved that game. Didn't realize it was a Garfield one too. Definitely one of the best designers ever!
It seems like this game has fewer rare cards that are only good or even playable in specific circumstances or combinations. It looks fun!
can you guys post the full Vader/Bounty Hunter deck somewhere? It looks like a fun deck and I would like to try it out.
Newbie question - just learning.
After choosing sides and drawing your initial hand of 7;
And concluding a single mulligan step exchanging let's say 2 (non-unit) cards as an example;
During the setup of building, you encounter a situation where your hand of cards is unable to exceed your opponents point value? What happens?
So you play a few units each - draw replacements - but then luck out and only redraw battle/mission cards. Does the 20 or so build points you would have remaining just disappear, and you stop stuck with a hand full of non-unit cards?
Perhaps statistically unlikely scenario, but useful knowledge all the same.
You are correct, the remaining build points go unused. This is normally a deck-building problem and have too many non-unit cards or too many low-build-value units in your deck.
@@johns42 Thank you for confirming.
I remember when I learned how wrong I was playing this game. My cousin(he was a few yrs older than me) “read” the rules and “taught me how to play”, and it was so wrong; IE we didn’t use dice, just applied attack values, it was bad. I do remember going to my 1st tournament and getting smoked because I was basically learning how to play on sight w/o letting on I had no idea that I didn’t know how to play(too shy) and just lucky that I always had my box of dice on me. I think I played the CCG more correct than the TCG. Taught me to read the rules for myself when learning a new game, lol. Of course, now I just find “Watch it Played” or Team Covenant” before actually reading rules.
This game has a great flow with an interesting win condition, love it!!
The dice change is a real struggle; roll bad, dice’s fault, toss them and get new dice!!
I will say… I was surprised Zach didn’t start off as dark side for 1st game.
CCG, TCG, LCG, Destiny…
The CCG created movie scenes. It told a story, the most thematic. And, I think, the most fun(and worthwhile) if you have a couple hrs.
The TCG was about balancing the 3 arenas, a little more area control type game. A light, quick game that felt like Star Wars.
The LCG, I think, attempted to repeat the success of the CCG in creating those Star Wars movie-esc moments and just didn’t get there. Its biggest strength is the deck building restrictions in you have 10(or more) pods of cards that come together so you are forced to make use of inferior cards in a grander strategy. I very much enjoy the LCG but I do think it failed in what it was trying to accomplish. I also think having a “clock” on the game in the form of the Death Star countdown didn’t do the game justice. I would have rather seen a true asymmetrical game with some other win condition for the Dark Side. Or 1st to destroy X Objectives; I think 3 was reasonable given the Death Star clock but I would like to see a game get to 4(or maybe 5) objectives if we remove the Death Star clock.
Destiny was a focused view of a duel that did itself a massive injustice with the dice mechanic. The cards have their dice chart on them anyway, just roll a generic D6. Would have been much cleaner and easier to distribute, and cheaper!! I had high hopes of this game and just didn’t live up to my expectations of a Star Wars dueling game. Though it was fun, I think I just wanted more.
“…the 3 months during Quarantine…” that didn’t age well ☹. Though, the answer didn’t change. I watched Team Covenant play cards games for x hrs a day; sometimes live, sometimes (re)watching my favorite games.
I would hate a Star Wars unique deck game. I’m not a fan, personally. It doesn’t feel like a card game, to me, its nothing more than a board game without a board.
I think when FFG comes out with the next Star Wars card game, it will be a CoOp game. I just hope that both Light and Dark are playable. I would not be nearly as invested if I couldn’t play as the bad guys. I also would love to see Warhammer Conquest reskinning with Star Wars. There are plenty of Star Wars factions and rallying systems to your cause is perfect; through military force or political persuasion.
On a similar note, I think L5R will get a 2e as a CoOp. I would love to see it similar to Marvel Champions. Pick a factions hero and a supporting Clan, that’s your card pool. Each faction also has an enemy deck along with generic “bad guys cards” that get shuffled together to form the opponent.
Great thoughts here Joe. Thanks for sharing!
God i miss this game. was so sad when it died out in my local area then overall.
Man. I would totally have come to Tulsa for that.
Miss this game big time
Conquest mechanic with SW Theme. Exactly my Thinking.
Thanks for all the Star Wars card games videos 8) - anyone know if the TCG version was ever printed in japanese?
Thank you so much for making this video! I’m 3/5 hours in and loving it. My cousin and I had tons of these and played for several years. I still have them all. My favorite cards are the Death Star and I also have the same rare preview Darth Vader card! I stopped about halfway through the sets’ production because I was a teenager and ran out of money lol. Now I can’t find them cheap enough but really want to build out the rest of my collection. It’s hard to when they cost astronomically more than regular MTG cards. I wish WotC would reprint these! With the recent announcement of them becoming their own division and moving into more licensed content, I will hold out hope. Anyways thanks again, you earned a new subscriber!
Great to have you! This was the game that really got Steven and Zach into the hobby.
Dice rolls in a TCG is interesting, I haven't seen that before. Could give a second life to my jar of Shadowrun d6es 🤣
If you have a few d20s laying around, check out Warlord CCG. It has some extremely fun dice implementation.
Did Zach rank the SW card games? I'd be interested to know his ranking.
I love the LCG myself, but never got into the other 3 at all. Destiny and this one just have too much luck for my liking.
(I must say, after watching more of this game, I can really see why people like it)
If Zach had to rank them he'd die.
@@teamcovenant hahaha...ok fair enough. must be like picking his favorite child.
How strange - I tried to get into TCG, but couldn't find a group. I ended up starting CCG in 2002, ended up finding a great group, and got a lot of cards on the cheap since warehouses were trying to empty them out. Feel like I'm sort of the opposite of you two.
You mentioned The Spoils any chance for a throwback stream playing that?
We actually have it queued up.
Can I ask how does it work the hability of "retaliate" and "meditate", it will be helpfull
When a unit with Retaliate is attacked, it can roll its Retaliate value in dice back at the attacker. So if you have Retaliate 6 and you're attacked, you can roll 6 dice in response (after the attack is over)!
Meditate means the following: "You may play this card from the discard pile without paying the printed cost. When this card would be discarded, remove it from the game instead."
Holy nostalgia Batman
Did I hear a 'Bye Felicia?' If so, awesome Friday reference Zach!
Is the print on that play mat a Stargate?
It's actually a gladitorial arena - from Arena Rex, a favorite game of ours.
You guys have any advice for where to find these cards I almost have a complete AOTC deck but can hardly find any from any other movies I was able to get some boosters for a new hope but that’s it even looking online it’s mostly aotc of ones I have
Maybe Category One? That sounds like where we've seen them before.
If they made conquest with Star Wars skin I would be all in, just make some tweeks but the Star Wars lcg had a ton I liked also.
Way too much randomness with the dice rolling for me, as a deck building game. As a casual have a cube ,and roll some dice kinda game, I'm into it.
I never gave this game a real chance, I was put off by the dice rolling and none of the other CCG players picked it up. Seeing this definitely makes me want to give it a second look.
Just undusted the cards I got 10 years ago and never learned how to play haha
Why are these cards so high?
The prices on these classic TCG/CCG's has been going up steadily for years and for one reason or another, a lot of them 'popped' during the pandemic.
also my decks would destroy these. my dark side before i quit was geared at destroying the chewie deck and any light side beatdown
Heeey, you cannot discard Snowtrooper Elite Squad to satisfy the cost of Dark Sacrifice, because Snowtroopers cannot be discarded, they always retreat instead of being discarded. That's not cool.
That 1st game just highlighted why this game sucked so bad. The fact that only certain cards can go into certain arenas was a horrible design. It made it too easy to get completely shut out of the game due to not drawing enough of the right cards. The units should've been able to be deployed to any arena. Perhaps give them some sort of penalty for being in the "wrong" arena, but that least you'd have a chance.
Nowdays there are multiarena units. They have brown border. Also some units can attack targets in other arenas.
Star Wars TCG is vastly inferior to the CCG...
nope