For people asking if this is an ad for windsurf - it is NOT 😁 No compensation received from Windsurf team, just tried and liked the software It is sponsored by hubspot though
@AIJasonZ , very good job on the video!! but bro if you really want to share something, don't say its free while you request to fill up my email address to get it. Just post a direct link to download. otherwise YOU KNOW its not free, PLEASE !!
@@AIJasonZ It is obviously not sponsored but big news for those that code with ai: Cursor now has competition (it’s not better tho). This starting of competition between real AI IDE’s is in fact quite the milestone.
i would recommend cline it seems too be able too delete most of the code in a document thats an issue ive had with this one and just implementation and use of other logic than specified use case noted in other files.
Dude, I literally take your opinion blindly just seeing the amount of depth you achieve in your videos. Thank you for all that you do and look forward to more of your content! Just an appreciation post
As a cursor ide user for the last 4 5 months and building with great high performance multi tenant apps . I tested windsurf, and I can say it’s time to change 🎉 a great product, 50% cheaper and unlimited Claude sonnet requests ❤
Any updates on the results? for me it seems that the Cascade doesn't fully update code with the requested changes, it misses both certain areas in files and complete files altogether, even when specifically mentioning them.
@@DreamingConcepts It does not figure changes in files (made by cursor, haha), no idea how to refresh index. It seems to rely on what happened in chat, too much?
The overall pricing plan is confusing... they don't say what "Cascade (Read-Only Mode)" means in the free plan, although I imagine it's the same thing but won't be able to edit or add. Also, what does "Cascade (Full, 1000 steps/month) mean in the pro plan? What is a step? How many steps are used per message? Also, if I don't get unlimited access to Cascade (assuming the 1000 steps/month is similar to tokens but instead is the amount of steps the AI uses in it's flow) why does it say "Unlimited Access to GPT-4o, Claude Sonnet" in the pro plan?
There is a chat mode, that does not change the files - read only. A step is a model request I guess. Here a prompt can mean many request, since self-correcting etc.
I assume the "steps" are are the iterations it does on its own when encounters an error and tries to fix it. If you assume it gets everything right the first time that would mean 1000 messages to Cascade per month. If it takes it 2 attempts on each, that would mean only 500 messages per month.
Wow nice. I am a business Cursor user with a maxed out account (11x €20/month) and have to use api key. So I know the issues here well. Still, it’s the best. Am trying Windsurf now and will post findings in thread…
It takes the lead more, which I like. Has only 3 llm models, which makes sense. In Cursor I use 1. Has its own new ‘Cascade Base’ which they put next to 4o and Claude (I need confirmation if it is the 20241022 claude bc this is the best for coding). It has a lot of themes. Am exploring themes. Nah, dark theme is best.
It can’t read what’s in terminal, which would be a big difference, and is pointing out problems that aren’t actually problems. Am gonna ignore that and try to see how good it can build. I am doing Flutter project, which is for ios, Android and web apps all in one code. Jason is doing just web, which is not for true apps, but more like app-like web applications, which are simpler than so-called ‘native’ real apps. Search for ‘what’s the difference between native and web apps’. I didn’t know that when I started and it’s important. As a beginner it’s really hard.
There is no obvious way to see if it knows my code. In cursor there is a huge difference between enter and command enter. Also command J for resynch codebase is important. Here it is just ‘enter’. Here goes my benchmarking..
HOLY SHT it’s awesome. Using Cascade Base model as opposed to Claude 20241022 which I know how to handle like it’s my dog. But this one is way faster and response is what I wanted. Ok for reading codebase and getting it, it is superior. Am gonna ask it to build a component. A map and a list and some other stuff. As a beginner you’d think that ai can build whole apps but this wastes your time trying that. You let it build small pieces. Agents are a hoax, believe you me.. Ok curious what it can do for building
After testing cursor, aider, codeium, and codestory ai, I can give you my own personal opinion: 1/ Aide by codestory is the best, the best context awareness of all, it just does the job 2 / codeium is great, but ask too much questions and sometimes miss context compared to aide by codestory 3/ cursor: bad 4/ aider: ok but worst because high cost, you have to use your own key, and context awareness is not that great
Wouldn't reflect and iterate be the same thing we do manually?sounds like we are just hyping up the same capabilities 🤷♂️ it's the same models under the hood, if anything doing manually has human input which is clearly a plus
Nice find, this looks promising. I'm having the same issues with cursor so I might switch to this. Have you had issues with rate limits on larger projects? Cheers!
Hey! Great content! Just subscribed! 👍 I am just curious for the instructions you prepared - did you use AI to help you with setting up functionalities and details on that level as It might be hard to come with all those requirements before starting with implementation. Thanks
compute is (right now, and will become even more so) the tech equiv of potable water... meaning, inferencing - even if it's just burst, but there'll be a huge amount - the way he describes will become exorbitantly expensive, and thus not sustainable (unless charging an equally large amount / usr)
Windsurf was working very good but the last days it's doing everything wrong even the most basic programming tasks I don't know if it's Claude, but there is definitely something changed. It's not good anymore, I hope they do something about it.
very very cool, Im impressed just for an hour i tried this ...its really brilliant wow. I asked for a full backend and front app with docker docker compose etc ...1 shot full stack
Windsurf worked great for me. It looks like it's built on the open source version of VSCODE which was Codeium. So unless they have changed it might not be getting as many updates as it's VSCODE brethren. It worked great for me. I was a bit bummed that Cascade didn't seem to like working in virtual environments. It seems to want to download and run everything locally. Which can be a pain if you aren't using Windsurf as just a debugger on steroids. Which it seems like this community would actually rather have it make full programs. It will run already created programs in virtual environments. But if cascade itself needs to write and run the program it wants everything local on the main command line. Even if there is an activated environment that it could use. I didn't try this with Docker. But it doesn't like anaconda.
i got news for you Jason, this _is_ a plugin. In other words, it's a VSCode distribution with the plugin bundled. It's great though and I wouldn't have known about it or even know how good it was without your awesome channel, thank you.
@@leonard1718 Can you elaborate? I've been using cursor for a while, and the 'lazyness' is becoming very true, it leans on old syntax that are outdated, despite knowing this and implemented in the app. This is all being very clear in instructions, rules and docs. I'm all ears to hear new ways from Jason on what products are worth looking at.
lol, it has same issues as other AI systems, it took an existing program that works and killed it beyond recovery, lol. It even came to the point where it started to remove functions that it considered where not necessary and it was optimizing the code, lol. This is what other AI systems do when they run low on context memory, but this has no memory issues yet behaved the same way. Yes, it did help solve a few issues and I will still use it but i will never ever again trust that it is fixing things. I will monitor every change and never turn on the WRITE mode, that is what gets you into trouble.
a year ago... IDE with access to LLM is like a magic now it's just another normally IDE do... next year IDE without AI agents built in,might be a blasphemy (migh be mate, might be...)
Is this your honest opinion or your paid opinion?? I'm new to coding and been using Cursor based on your recommendation but now this and you say it's possibly better than Cursor.. What's the real truth? Now I feel like I can't even trust you opinions... Sad day...
Things are changing every day, so there's always 10 new things I see with respect to AI everytime I open RUclips, so we need to catch up, it's really helpful that Jason and so many others are sharing the latest and greatest for us to pick and choose as per our requirements.
You know it's against the TOS and potentially even against the law to not mention when your video is actually a sponsored video/advertisement/paid promotion. Nowhere have you mentioned this despite your video clearly being an ad. You even have your unique affiliate link in the description. Very shady to say the least....
Bro, just wait for dystopian future with social credit system and stuff before starting to report people for breaking stupid laws, especially when there's no hidden bad intent behind.
For people asking if this is an ad for windsurf - it is NOT 😁 No compensation received from Windsurf team, just tried and liked the software
It is sponsored by hubspot though
bro, there are new and better AI everyday
@AIJasonZ , very good job on the video!! but bro if you really want to share something, don't say its free while you request to fill up my email address to get it. Just post a direct link to download. otherwise YOU KNOW its not free, PLEASE !!
Those who watched the video it’s HubSpot sponsored.
@@AIJasonZ It is obviously not sponsored but big news for those that code with ai: Cursor now has competition (it’s not better tho). This starting of competition between real AI IDE’s is in fact quite the milestone.
Awww that's the same thing bro lol
As a Cursor user ... project context has been the BIGGEST issue with my project work. NICE FIND ... thank you
yeah this dummy creates new endpoints instead of updating the old ones ! CONSTANTLY !
I just tested Windsurf, it could complete areas Cursor has been stuck on. Truly an impressive product. I am switching.
really? time to try, i think.
I was gonna say the same
@@Whatismarketingshowhe was saying he's going to try based on your recommendation...
i would recommend cline it seems too be able too delete most of the code in a document thats an issue ive had with this one and just implementation and use of other logic than specified use case noted in other files.
yeah I would say it's prob best on the market.
Dude, I literally take your opinion blindly just seeing the amount of depth you achieve in your videos. Thank you for all that you do and look forward to more of your content! Just an appreciation post
I appreciate that!
I approve and support this message, keep up the good unbiased work Jason
As a cursor ide user for the last 4 5 months and building with great high performance multi tenant apps . I tested windsurf, and I can say it’s time to change 🎉 a great product, 50% cheaper and unlimited Claude sonnet requests ❤
Someone wrote 1000. So quarter price in a way.
Any updates on the results? for me it seems that the Cascade doesn't fully update code with the requested changes, it misses both certain areas in files and complete files altogether, even when specifically mentioning them.
@@DreamingConcepts It does not figure changes in files (made by cursor, haha), no idea how to refresh index. It seems to rely on what happened in chat, too much?
Windsurf is out of this world! As mentioned, the most amazing capability, it can do complex app editing really well.
such a good walkthrough. Loved seeing your workflows in-depth. Keep making videos like this 💪
I love this AI stuff, as a penetration engineer this tool is so nice, that will create less educated devs who will bring more and more work for us)
itcs like herd immunity - like turtles born same time - you need sleep, can't hack us all!))
keep dreaming. you're almost out of work.lmao
I've been a pentester and am an AppSec Engineer ATM and I'd disagree, it tends to fix bugs instead of bitching and moaning about it.
@ fixing it because you point them or it writes it without bugs?
@@ordinarygg the former mostly. I've yet to meet a dev that writes code without bugs on the first try
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about Windsurf, it was really helpful
The overall pricing plan is confusing... they don't say what "Cascade (Read-Only Mode)" means in the free plan, although I imagine it's the same thing but won't be able to edit or add. Also, what does "Cascade (Full, 1000 steps/month) mean in the pro plan? What is a step? How many steps are used per message?
Also, if I don't get unlimited access to Cascade (assuming the 1000 steps/month is similar to tokens but instead is the amount of steps the AI uses in it's flow) why does it say "Unlimited Access to GPT-4o, Claude Sonnet" in the pro plan?
There is a chat mode, that does not change the files - read only.
A step is a model request I guess. Here a prompt can mean many request, since self-correcting etc.
I assume the "steps" are are the iterations it does on its own when encounters an error and tries to fix it. If you assume it gets everything right the first time that would mean 1000 messages to Cascade per month. If it takes it 2 attempts on each, that would mean only 500 messages per month.
Wow nice. I am a business Cursor user with a maxed out account (11x €20/month) and have to use api key. So I know the issues here well. Still, it’s the best. Am trying Windsurf now and will post findings in thread…
It takes the lead more, which I like.
Has only 3 llm models, which makes sense.
In Cursor I use 1.
Has its own new ‘Cascade Base’ which they put next to 4o and Claude (I need confirmation if it is the 20241022 claude bc this is the best for coding).
It has a lot of themes. Am exploring themes. Nah, dark theme is best.
It can’t read what’s in terminal, which would be a big difference, and is pointing out problems that aren’t actually problems.
Am gonna ignore that and try to see how good it can build.
I am doing Flutter project, which is for ios, Android and web apps all in one code.
Jason is doing just web, which is not for true apps, but more like app-like web applications, which are simpler than so-called ‘native’ real apps.
Search for ‘what’s the difference between native and web apps’.
I didn’t know that when I started and it’s important.
As a beginner it’s really hard.
There is no obvious way to see if it knows my code. In cursor there is a huge difference between enter and command enter. Also command J for resynch codebase is important. Here it is just ‘enter’. Here goes my benchmarking..
HOLY SHT it’s awesome. Using Cascade Base model as opposed to Claude 20241022 which I know how to handle like it’s my dog. But this one is way faster and response is what I wanted.
Ok for reading codebase and getting it, it is superior.
Am gonna ask it to build a component. A map and a list and some other stuff.
As a beginner you’d think that ai can build whole apps but this wastes your time trying that.
You let it build small pieces.
Agents are a hoax, believe you me..
Ok curious what it can do for building
Cascade Base model is wild in a bad wide. Messes up your code. Don’t use it. Trying it with Claude now
Having use it strictly for about 14 - 17 hours straight.
I can tell you that it's okay at automating boilerplate code, and builds. That's about it.
Congratulations on sharing your knowledge, if you said it's better, then I believe it, I'm migrating, a big hug from your friend from Brazil.
After testing cursor, aider, codeium, and codestory ai, I can give you my own personal opinion:
1/ Aide by codestory is the best, the best context awareness of all, it just does the job
2 / codeium is great, but ask too much questions and sometimes miss context compared to aide by codestory
3/ cursor: bad
4/ aider: ok but worst because high cost, you have to use your own key, and context awareness is not that great
really, Aide, the free and open source one is better than Codeium? Is Aide missing anything the others have?
why is Ade's codestoryai twitter account suspended?
Lmao, cursor: bad?
Windsurf guys also made Codeium, BTW.
Bro that is the CEO of Codeium, not just some engineer 😅
Gonna try it out tonight 🎉
Wouldn't reflect and iterate be the same thing we do manually?sounds like we are just hyping up the same capabilities 🤷♂️ it's the same models under the hood, if anything doing manually has human input which is clearly a plus
Nice find, this looks promising. I'm having the same issues with cursor so I might switch to this. Have you had issues with rate limits on larger projects? Cheers!
I think indexing is Codeiums strength - could work for large projects.
Looks fantastic. Good find.
Cursor and THEO the bought influencer with equity agenda - GAME ON
Really good review 👏👏!
Instead of using the structured output from opening eye, you should use BoundaryML
i am using this IDE right now and im loving it!
How did you inform WindSurf to wait you before starting the next step ? As you prompt, lets move the step #3 .. etc
Hey! Great content! Just subscribed! 👍
I am just curious for the instructions you prepared - did you use AI to help you with setting up functionalities and details on that level as It might be hard to come with all those requirements before starting with implementation.
Thanks
compute is (right now, and will become even more so) the tech equiv of potable water... meaning, inferencing - even if it's just burst, but there'll be a huge amount - the way he describes will become exorbitantly expensive, and thus not sustainable (unless charging an equally large amount / usr)
Windsurf was working very good but the last days it's doing everything wrong even the most basic programming tasks I don't know if it's Claude, but there is definitely something changed. It's not good anymore, I hope they do something about it.
Thanks
I see you did not build a PRD this time, is it because the project was quite 'simple'
Are you able to share the next.js project you have in the 'converter' folder?
Where is the paper that he talked about the parallel LLM to check if the context is relevant
Lo probe y esta genial , entiende perfecto el contecto del proyecto
very very cool,
Im impressed just for an hour i tried this ...its really brilliant wow.
I asked for a full backend and front app with docker docker compose etc ...1 shot full stack
Are yall not using @Codebase or at least adding files to the context?
The context awareness is actually a really important thing that we need on cursor. I mean it could finish projects with fewer prompts.
Maybe Supermaven joining Cursor will help them there?
@@NostraDavid2 too early to say anything
Do you share the code for this project in your community
better than cursor for me at least. 80% less hallucinations in my use case.
Can you paste in pics? UI, etc. I am part way through testing and I could not past in error images
Can this IDE work fully locally or offline with no internet connection?
Like a normal local AI running on a computer without network ?
love windsurf
Windsurf worked great for me. It looks like it's built on the open source version of VSCODE which was Codeium. So unless they have changed it might not be getting as many updates as it's VSCODE brethren. It worked great for me. I was a bit bummed that Cascade didn't seem to like working in virtual environments. It seems to want to download and run everything locally. Which can be a pain if you aren't using Windsurf as just a debugger on steroids. Which it seems like this community would actually rather have it make full programs. It will run already created programs in virtual environments. But if cascade itself needs to write and run the program it wants everything local on the main command line. Even if there is an activated environment that it could use. I didn't try this with Docker. But it doesn't like anaconda.
How does it compare to cline? Cline is the best I used so far.
This looks Promising
Does Windsurf support custom docs, just like Cursor?
would be useful to be able to upload images to code ui
i got news for you Jason, this _is_ a plugin. In other words, it's a VSCode distribution with the plugin bundled. It's great though and I wouldn't have known about it or even know how good it was without your awesome channel, thank you.
I see the potential but honestly right now it is so bad, it got stuck on a loophole on a project of mine and was never really able to fix it.
This is actually so bad
Any seasoned Cursor, whish one is better? Cursor or Windsurf.
Winter season Sir😂
Dude, we are at day 1.
@@leoingson Oh really? Sorry.
you are great ,thanks
is this an ad?
Without watching yes
Yes, al his "bad" claims about cursor aren't true 😂 Or he doesn't know how cursor really work😅
I would love to know
@@leonard1718unfortunately he knows how cursor works very well
@@leonard1718 Can you elaborate? I've been using cursor for a while, and the 'lazyness' is becoming very true, it leans on old syntax that are outdated, despite knowing this and implemented in the app. This is all being very clear in instructions, rules and docs. I'm all ears to hear new ways from Jason on what products are worth looking at.
Yeah been Windsurf for about 15 years now its been great 👍 so stable
tried it. This sucks compared to cursor. I was having high hopes finally there was a competitor to cursor. This is like a baby at the moment.
What didn’t you like and what functions did you miss from Cursor ? I am also a Cursor user and will test Windsurf in the weekend.
Yeah, it's not like cursor has a @codebase that literally gives it rag of you codebase.
Can anyone tell me how windsurf is giving access to claude sonnet for free with unlimited use with any api or charges?
lol, it has same issues as other AI systems, it took an existing program that works and killed it beyond recovery, lol. It even came to the point where it started to remove functions that it considered where not necessary and it was optimizing the code, lol. This is what other AI systems do when they run low on context memory, but this has no memory issues yet behaved the same way. Yes, it did help solve a few issues and I will still use it but i will never ever again trust that it is fixing things. I will monitor every change and never turn on the WRITE mode, that is what gets you into trouble.
I've found the exact opposite. Windsurf starts to fail on understanding the structure faster than Cursor
any way to paste images?
Seems not to exist.
You had me going for 2 minutes until I realized this is just an add to this so-called "Windsurf". Well done! Very tacit!
Could you kindly share your `instructions.md` file?
I just wanted the e-book, but hubspot wants my dna ... nah bruh
I was here
Not long since we could ask AI to ask other AI to create apps for us 😂
Vscode ?
very good
What do u say about supermaven and cursor?
小伙子，不错
a year ago... IDE with access to LLM is like a magic now it's just another normally IDE do... next year IDE without AI agents built in,might be a blasphemy (migh be mate, might be...)
biggest diff is Cursor doesn’t understand the context. it just spits out code..
Marvelous
Is this your honest opinion or your paid opinion?? I'm new to coding and been using Cursor based on your recommendation but now this and you say it's possibly better than Cursor.. What's the real truth? Now I feel like I can't even trust you opinions... Sad day...
This does look better, new features and new programs will come out, expect that
Cursor has a big problem with context awareness, this new tool "seems" to fix it. To know if it's true, you have to test it and have your own opinion.
@ I downloaded the demo and will definitely give it a shot, thanks for the reply.
Things are changing every day, so there's always 10 new things I see with respect to AI everytime I open RUclips, so we need to catch up, it's really helpful that Jason and so many others are sharing the latest and greatest for us to pick and choose as per our requirements.
Cursor is best and this is something new that he has found and is pointing out.
windsurf is way better competition is king
ah. another ai code editor subscribe to. hope it is worth it
Awesome ❤
Cursor honestly sucks. It ruins my codebase far more often than it helps
Installed.and trash
No thanks
You know it's against the TOS and potentially even against the law to not mention when your video is actually a sponsored video/advertisement/paid promotion. Nowhere have you mentioned this despite your video clearly being an ad. You even have your unique affiliate link in the description. Very shady to say the least....
Give him a break, he should disclose, but an affiliate link can just be a tracking link for analytics.
Bro, just wait for dystopian future with social credit system and stuff before starting to report people for breaking stupid laws, especially when there's no hidden bad intent behind.
It is against my laws that you cry in the comments about this thing
lol
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