For people that is wondering, there are times when you dont want to trigger chain attack two early because it shortens the amount of stun time you have. For some enemy triggering at 50% daze can increase stun time for almost 3 seconds
@@Oscar303063 this is really work on bosses, for they give enough extra time to make a difference. But having a boss not stun can be tricky to dps. That being said, still don't want to trigger chain attack immediately (during recovery period) because lost of stun time.
@@SUIPIHOSHIYOMIyep lol. Even if it takes abit longer, hell, even HI3 listens if there's a very major inconvenience or disliked game mode. ie: the endgame material farms are ungodly hard for newer/lower level players, so they nerfed it after 2-3 patches by 60% LOL.
@@SUIPIHOSHIYOMIThey dont listen tho... farming planar still suck. You have to play DU or cant farm. Also where is my 400 tb per dsy?? i asked for it?? oh wait they also dont listen.
Sad... cause as a dungeon crawler enthusiast and a big fan of Darkest Dungeon (I hate what they did to Darkest Dungeon 2), I really liked the SPECIAL and puzzle variants of the HDD sections. If they could do a middle ground, I would ask of them to make the combat sections actually longer in the HDD while still maintaining the layouts. That would only pertain to the HDD hub menu missions only. The Scott outpost content should still just be the raw roguelike dungeon crawlers because those are more straight fowards and offer more combat sequences in them than the normal missions that have story which breaks the pacing among dialog, battle, and exploration
honestly I feel like the tv mode is what makes ZZZ stands out, whether good or bad, though its not THAT big of an issue (like genshins lack of a skip button), im surprised hoyo actually gave in to the criticism and listened to the playerbase. Kuro influence?
@@Sarrr1 not really, HSR also regularly listens and improve as well. It's just genshin, bcuz they have no reason to do that until they were actually threatened in their profit margin. HSR and ZZZ needed the extra effort bcuz they are a more niche game
My guess is when it says your "actions will not trigger other Agent's Chain Attacks" under "Manual Chain Attack" mode it means, the slow down time event doesn't trigger, but you can still get a chain attack by manually pressing the assist button(s) during the right moment.
You can finally change to any character for exploration!!?? FINALLY, i don't spent money on the character to only able to see them in combat. THANK GOD THEY LISTENED
3:33 this is for free to play players where not all characters especially supports aren't built up yet, people skip the chain attack to avoid losing DPS.
well i imagine no matter how well built a support is if some buffs are active already (like Suokaku as fob mentioned), it will prolly still be a loss in DPS since ur DPS will also be well built with crit ratio
That and skipping longer chain attacks animation will give a lot more time for your main dps to do their combos. From what I’ve seen it can save from 3-5 seconds.
@@AnotherVale yeah i noticed that too, tho i only use one character on all content. however i tried a team one for shiyu defence and it was slower than having to use only one character and a bangboo.
Even better, watch the zzz x street fighter roundtable, the lead guy for zzz actually seems like he's passionate about games and puts a lot of importance on player experience and feedback. So far zzz team seems like it will be the most open one to listening to it's community amongst the three hoyo games, imagine actually listing out improvements to fixes people actually asked for in less than a month instead of continously putting out questions nobody asked for 4 years in their patchly dev notes.
@@kibousn1686 theres quite a few impressive changes coming to genshin for 5.0 one od them being artifact main stat and substat selector which is impressive so i have hope
Chain attack cancel is useful for smaller mobs where they die before doing all 3 attacks (lets say it died within 2nd attack) ,now the 3rd chain attack (burst) is basically wasted .so a manual chain attack is definitely useful in that situation.
If they die before it ends, it Interrupts the chain as is.. And even if the final attack mostly whiffs, it still restores assist points. Wanting to completely ignore a chain attack to just not do it instead sounds insanely niche to me, its not like they take a long time either. In the turbo rare event you just want to skip it, you can wait a few seconds and it will pass by on its own. But hey to each their own i guess, its not a feature that will cause me any trouble so honestly i see no major reason to criticize it. More options for more people is fine by me.
Thats why we never see "Honkai(s) could never", "Mihoyo could never". Only "Genshin could never". When a team got no intense ideal, passion and positive working attitude aim for make their game become "best game in their heart", They "could never" (go through and grow from failure, always become better themselves) for sure.
They say ''Cancel CA'', ''Manual CA''... when the only fix they had to do is to make CA Prompt to NOT override your UI, and let it run and notify player in background. This way you can get few more hits in before triggering next chain in rotation. As for Soukaku dilemma, all they have to do is allow you to switch out earlier when doing Fly the Flag (tornado thing).
I don't think they're gonna simplify it more. Consensus is that they want high skill gameplay, taking fighting games as reference. Afaik you can toggle off manual chains anyways, but they're implementing manual chains so they have more control over the flow of the battle. For soukaku and stuff like that it's kinda hard since to trigger chain attacks you have to do heavy attacks anyways, so it's kinda hard to change without literally have to overhaul the game's core mechanics.
Ayo! Practicing my Kara cancels and negative edging against hologram 6 Crownless. Maybe someday I'll have enough skill to play ZZZ. I'm still too scared to play a real fighting game like ZZZ.
If the Devs "listen" as you say, they would of removed the TV mode since CBT when everyone was telling them it was a bad idea. It's HOYOVERSE they don't gaf
With tablet I get stuck in little trash piles, or small steps. At least one tv mission had buggy pathing that just kept repeating itself. Sometimes those missions just slow down. I like the game it's so good that I don't let my lack of third arm stop me, because the camera control farts on combat, and the basic traversal on the map. Slicker and smoother tvs 📺 - yes, but no need to get rid of them.
The point where they talked about wise and belle. The way they phrase it ,you can totally say it's gonna be at least 1.6 patch before they implement it. They say these types of things in this type of phrase to scratch your curiosity and give you kind of hope that you will get those functions but it's basically a trap to hold as much players as possible from leaving the games. And I hate this type of tactics cos they works on most of the people 🤦
ummm...??? depends??? cuz like that's if you look at genshin, genshin took 1-2 years to implement, HSR took only like 1-2 patches, which makes sense since they also have to work on new units, events, story, future maps, etc etc. You do have to count the shit ton amount of work it actually takes to do this kind of things, not to mention the shit ton amount of bugs you'll have to deal with with each characters' interaction with the environment, the amount of details they'll have to give with each character interacting with the environment etc etc..... while yes i still hate genshin because they barely even implements QOL shit unless threatened, HSR and HI3 afaik listens pretty well, taking at most 4 months to implement a QoL update, which honestly is fine for a live service game. also note, if you can see they're fixing mostly combat issues first in 1.1 and 1.2, since that's what their aim is for the game, y'know, a fighting game. They'll fix aesthetics feedbacks later. Which honestly is a goddamn fucking step up from genshin where they just ignore it.
So, anything about early game experience?` People telling me the combat gets fun after the first 10 hours is what's keeping me from playing this game the most. I don't have enough free time to waste 10 hours of it on something I can't enjoy.
more than 10 hours for me, almost 20 hours when I started to enjoy the game a little bit. but that's because I played so many good gacha games. it's mid for me, but who says we can't enjoy mid game, same as anime. if you have time, patience and fine with the size, i think you can try, just lower your expectation
Endgame mode unlocks before you can farm gear. Its extremely annoying because of low damage for 30 levels until you unlock gear farm. Who decided that should be fired.
frfr LOL, they complain the game is a button mashing game, before realizing the shit ton amount of game mechanics they have to deal with, and then zhuyuan comes out and they couldn't even use her dash attacks properly and i even saw some people (not all) complaining when they looked at the list of combos she can do 😭😭😭
3:33 You uust mentioned one situation where you swapped to Ellen and not want to use the Chain attack. There are times that when you do cancel (by waiting), the enemy will still be in the middle of max Daze mode, and attacking with Ellen will again trigger Chain attack, which will get annoying.
My guy I’ve yet to ever have eyes stutter a single time let alone bug out. I love how that’s the only thing people wanna bring up for wuwa yet zzz has been matching its name is at best mid
I wasn't a fan of ZZZ at launch but I agree, Kuro could be doing more now. These ZZZ changes are system improvements, whereas WuWa's were fixes. WuWa's launch was riddled with visual/gameplay bugs, terrible voice acting, improper localization, and to some, unplayable optimization. Free pulls are worthless if they only come with fixes and not improvements. How long have players been asking for more echo exp? Or reducing waveplates for bosses. What about new content? 1.2 is a filler patch with no new overworld areas and no continuation of the main story. That's 9-10 weeks of content drought. Kuro listened initially but now they're silent. I guess working on the PS5 release is more important than keeping your current players from leaving.
@@kingsimba9513 my guy you act like ever game doesn’t have a filler patch out the gate and we didn’t just get a new area with story this patch. They’ve been working on a lot of that stuff in just this patch but people still wanna act like it’s not enough but when zzz comes out and everyone is just shitting on the game because of it being boring and the devs do the same thing it’s magically the devs listen
@@amari7782 it because mihoyo. Sum ppl... Or lot of them will praise mihoyo No matter what happen. It just a gacha company that have predatory system that milk your money same with any gacha compny.
MANUAL CHAIN ATTACK !!!! I keep struggling to not switch out my Ellen / Zhu Yuan because i want to use them more on field, THAT WAS QUICK though Hoyo. If it were Genshin devs, I can say with 100% certainty they won't listen, they HEARD but totally ignored it
manual mode was in the beta. it holds no real purpose as far as casual players go, and it doesn't really work to maximize attack HOWEVER for people that play zzz purely to style on enemies, there re a lot of combos that get limited by the auto chain attack. the manual is a option before the battle starts that won't trigger auto chain attacks meaning if you have a combo you want to lab with any character you essentily won't be cucked by it anymore. it is there literally just for ARPG and combo addicted players. so it is kinda impressive they added it back. i honestly did not think it would happen.
Tbh idk why is it even hard for them to make us control our agents in the city. It should’ve been a concept implemented from the beginning of the game? They add Whole regions in Genshin and they can’t do this ?
iirc from CBT1, Manual Chain Attack = you will not trigger chain attack mode automatically. how it works is that you have to "hold press" the attack or skill on full daze enemy to trigger chain attack instead. so if you don't want to chain attack then you can just keep mashing buttons until rainbow daze become very low then trigger chain attack by holding button after. this however will be tricky on attacker that focused on charged attack, since you'll have to hold button for them most of the time...
If only they remove drive disc system. Stigmata system in HI3 is way better than farming those garbage that may take minimum 1 month just to get usable set for 1 character
@@xayal Not gonna happen. Relic farming allows for Hoyo to look good to investors with a stat called "player engagement", which is a fancy way of saying that they made an intentional design flaw that forces players to continue playing to get the BiS. They did it with Honkai Impact in part 2, they're never dropping this.
@@kibousn1686 Dude... Hoyoverse is a private company, they don''t have investors or shareholders that they need to show engagement statistics to. People like you are why misinformation is so bad and everyone is so misinformed. Why are you confidently spreading false information about something you know nothing about. It's embarrassing.
Of course their going to use words like challenging for one of their nicher titles lol. Just like you'll never hear COD devs use the word hardcore to describe their gameplay. Like it or not, Genshin is their mainstream cashcow, so it will be kept casual to a certain degree. It's still by far their most complete title imo, and has only gotten better. If you quit over being jaded, you're the one missing out... 🤷
@@LUCAS420BLZpart 2 isn’t as bad as you guys are saying and are just living of fomo of part 1 characters legit part 2 is decent enough for a gacha game especially this songque part is really interesting so part 2 is really good
It WAS good. Then they tried to change the game to be more open-world due to popular demand, and then got shot when most, including most of those that advocated for it, told them the changes were shit. That's why the global revenue hasn't left the hundred-thousands for the last 4 months.
@@de_vix Unfortunately, I recently quitted after Lantern. Had enough with the rampant powercreep, poor optimisation and half-ass UI. Story also required you to be a quantum physicist to understand what they're saying. ZZZ is so much better in comparison and it is clearly meant to replace HI3.
@@mleong75power creep is in every game lol so using power creep as a complain ain’t a strong point also the UI ain’t bad it literally one of the best( not the best but around top 12 gacha I have played atleast)gacha games UI also the controls are really issue to learn lol it just button mashing and you legit don’t need to use a character that is a enemy weakness legit any character can kill any enemy my only issue with HI3 is their 2800 crystal for pull which is wack cause the rate to get crystal in the game is limited .. a person can only get 12k crystal per patch which isn’t a lot especially when a new character a player wants is the next patch and if you don’t have luck 12k crystal isn’t enough for guaranteed
You have a lot of work to do to edit Genshin Impact; it's been four years, and many patches are needed to implement things. Zzz will benefit from it since it's a newer game, a convenience for developers. Maybe if the devs listen to the genshin early era maybe genshin might be different today. Just appreciate dev they are now listening.
More level exploration based design in story = less tvs + they explicitly said "improving the connection between the HDD TV mode and combat experience", which could mean a lot of things, not excluded to the lessening of overreliance on tvs in parts of the game or story.
Some criticism were there since the first beta and they knew loud and clear what player wants then why dev resisted change til now? Because shit hits the fan in the sales department they either change or get fired. tbh I really admire ZZZ creators initial vision to the game - a rogue-like Persona Street Fighter thingy, whats holding it back is the live-service gatcha bussiness model, and oh almost forgot, for mobile. The game right now still feels very immersive, but i'm affraid the roll-backs are gonna eliminate its unique identity - not that it is perfect or anything, but it will just become more and more like Genshin/HSR outside the story.
Shit hits the fan in sales? They are over 60 million on mobiles sales already. Roflmao Good forbid a company making bank already on this game and listening to feedback
3 things can make me download this game again: 1: challenge that tests our abilities 2: Remove auto swap, this takes away our freedom and makes it seem like we are playing automatically 3:rewards, for the love of god Hoyo why does this game that probably costs less than hsr and genshin to make new patches has the worst rewards and the same rates?
Disabling chain attack thing is huge, i literally uninstalled because chain attacks were unbearable, just let me play my character without pausing every other second. Actually based devs, reinstalling lmao
Bruh stop the glazing kuro i like wuwa over zzz, but you must acknowledge their incompetent release and bugs that still around.. Free stuff doesn't make up for it
Its kind of interesting, when other devs say they'll do something I'm always like I'll believe it when I see it. but with hoyo I believe it.will be done whhen and on time too.
Man I don't know like it's really good they are listening but they should implement everything in 1.1 update but they are taking so many patches to do optimizations and implementing things man at this point I am really enjoying wuwa I am gonna wait till 1.4 or 1.5 bcz i jumped in the game as soon as it was launched and it was really disappointing they need do something special to hook me don't get me wrong the devs listened but man i don't wanna jump in the game again at this point will wait till further patches and see further Dev's notes then decide bcz i really hate the tv system and repetitive combat.
this, the unseamless world in the game sounds annoying. I don't understand for example, when we go from sixth street to parking lot it needs a loading screen😂
@@fashyakupercent20 yeah the game is literally 50gb on pc and 19gb on mobile thats almost the same as elden ring or gta 5 yet opening doors and shhiiit still needs loading screen its soo stupid
@@Retronyx Thats not the point lil bro. Let me ask you again, do you need a loading screen just to travel from the street to random play or parking lot?? I can understand when they put a loading screen with shops like Coffee, bardic needle etc. But on the other cases, its just unnecesary imo. Yes i do play on mobile, its suck to wait around 5 sec just to teleport
Hell no let the tv not be in the story it kills the momentum the tv is only good in hollow defense because the TVs are used for buffs in that one but Tv in story is terrible as fck
One undeniable facts is that their competitors are growing in both game quality and services. Hoyo would be the dumbest company if don't finally listened to players unlike past few years when Genshin sit on the throne for far too long that they no longer respect and appreciate their players
Based. TVs in the story mode just don't work because you get CONSTANTLY interrupted by some dialogue or whatever. They should just make them into a Hollow Zero exclusive mode where they fit as a glove. The ability to explore New Eridu as agents is also huge because as it is right now you essentially pull on these S rank characters, potentially even using money only to use them in combat which is only 1/3rd of the entire ZZZ experience but now you'll have more oppurtunities to actually play as them.
They are losing players at a very fast rate even if one goes to the playstore the rating is 3.6 many negative comments about the game especially the TV mode and performance problems also the equipment that is not compatible with the game but at launch If they were compatible today, instead of fixing the optimization problems, I just blocked the game for those people. It's really disgusting. If it were another company, they would be creating a massive chain of hate on the Internet. I'll give this game one more month so that it becomes niche as soon as it's been there. a few weeks and it has already lost all its audience on Twitch, it is being managed by many bots and multi-accounts
Hard pill to shallow, if genshin ever released artifact loadout in hard content, than their resin sale will plummeted in the long run in the short run it is beneficial people will return and race against time to make the best loadout but in the long run? nahhhh. Im not against these changes but for a sec u guys need to understand their business decision not just shouting random GENSHIN COULD NEVER like and primitive human or something
If they let me float around as Rina, like just as one thing better in ZZZ, I will consider not uninstalling. I was gonna play for a month and see how I felt, and I've been having an @ss time for a lot of reasons even tho liking other things and have been getting so frustrated overall. IF TRUE, if they make all these changes even if they take some time, I actually will consider keeping the game.
DEVS WHAT?
INSANE!
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HOYOVERSE COULD NE---WAIT!!????
@@HousekiMitai more like GENSHIN COULD NE- oops 🙊
For people that is wondering, there are times when you dont want to trigger chain attack two early because it shortens the amount of stun time you have. For some enemy triggering at 50% daze can increase stun time for almost 3 seconds
Hope this comes with an imrpovement of the enemies actions as this is most likely going to make fights even easier
@@Oscar303063 this is really work on bosses, for they give enough extra time to make a difference. But having a boss not stun can be tricky to dps. That being said, still don't want to trigger chain attack immediately (during recovery period) because lost of stun time.
I swear every time I put any feedbacks into the surveys of HSR and ZZZ they immediately put it on the to do list
@@ywami thank you for your service
not listening is just a GI thing i guess XD
@@SUIPIHOSHIYOMIyep lol. Even if it takes abit longer, hell, even HI3 listens if there's a very major inconvenience or disliked game mode.
ie: the endgame material farms are ungodly hard for newer/lower level players, so they nerfed it after 2-3 patches by 60% LOL.
@@ch.7785 yeah, thats what pisses me off because GI only has that problem and ppl still say that hoyo as a whole doesn't listen.
@@SUIPIHOSHIYOMIThey dont listen tho... farming planar still suck. You have to play DU or cant farm. Also where is my 400 tb per dsy?? i asked for it?? oh wait they also dont listen.
Sad... cause as a dungeon crawler enthusiast and a big fan of Darkest Dungeon (I hate what they did to Darkest Dungeon 2), I really liked the SPECIAL and puzzle variants of the HDD sections. If they could do a middle ground, I would ask of them to make the combat sections actually longer in the HDD while still maintaining the layouts. That would only pertain to the HDD hub menu missions only. The Scott outpost content should still just be the raw roguelike dungeon crawlers because those are more straight fowards and offer more combat sequences in them than the normal missions that have story which breaks the pacing among dialog, battle, and exploration
Yea I really like it too, but unfortunately the majority of people doesnt, that's why they had to change it, we are just the minority sadly
honestly I feel like the tv mode is what makes ZZZ stands out, whether good or bad, though its not THAT big of an issue (like genshins lack of a skip button), im surprised hoyo actually gave in to the criticism and listened to the playerbase. Kuro influence?
@@Sarrr1 not really, HSR also regularly listens and improve as well. It's just genshin, bcuz they have no reason to do that until they were actually threatened in their profit margin.
HSR and ZZZ needed the extra effort bcuz they are a more niche game
Oh this guy ..
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Fr I have no issue about the TV like how other make it seem it's the worst
My guess is when it says your "actions will not trigger other Agent's Chain Attacks" under "Manual Chain Attack" mode it means, the slow down time event doesn't trigger, but you can still get a chain attack by manually pressing the assist button(s) during the right moment.
You can finally change to any character for exploration!!?? FINALLY, i don't spent money on the character to only able to see them in combat. THANK GOD THEY LISTENED
Glad I talked about this. Devs actually listen.
Well, it's NOT happening anytime soon but, it's nice that it will happen eventually..
3:33 this is for free to play players where not all characters especially supports aren't built up yet, people skip the chain attack to avoid losing DPS.
well i imagine no matter how well built a support is if some buffs are active already (like Suokaku as fob mentioned), it will prolly still be a loss in DPS since ur DPS will also be well built with crit ratio
@@xerxeswong1skill issue
That and skipping longer chain attacks animation will give a lot more time for your main dps to do their combos. From what I’ve seen it can save from 3-5 seconds.
@@xerxeswong1 i use Lucy.....and only Lucy.
yes i only use one character. the only chain attack i get is from my bangboo lol.
@@AnotherVale yeah i noticed that too, tho i only use one character on all content.
however i tried a team one for shiyu defence and it was slower than having to use only one character and a bangboo.
As long as the head of production in zzz is not the same dude as genshin then im in, it even better if it the same dude as honkai star rail.
Even better, watch the zzz x street fighter roundtable, the lead guy for zzz actually seems like he's passionate about games and puts a lot of importance on player experience and feedback. So far zzz team seems like it will be the most open one to listening to it's community amongst the three hoyo games, imagine actually listing out improvements to fixes people actually asked for in less than a month instead of continously putting out questions nobody asked for 4 years in their patchly dev notes.
@@jasio1916 I hope neither of them are. One's bad at giving back to the players, the other is bad at maintaining powercreep.
Didn't the guy for Genshin step back for 5.0.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks ... Genshin hasn't gotten past 4.8 yet.
@@kibousn1686 theres quite a few impressive changes coming to genshin for 5.0 one od them being artifact main stat and substat selector which is impressive so i have hope
Chain attack cancel is useful for smaller mobs where they die before doing all 3 attacks (lets say it died within 2nd attack) ,now the 3rd chain attack (burst) is basically wasted .so a manual chain attack is definitely useful in that situation.
If they die before it ends, it Interrupts the chain as is.. And even if the final attack mostly whiffs, it still restores assist points.
Wanting to completely ignore a chain attack to just not do it instead sounds insanely niche to me, its not like they take a long time either. In the turbo rare event you just want to skip it, you can wait a few seconds and it will pass by on its own.
But hey to each their own i guess, its not a feature that will cause me any trouble so honestly i see no major reason to criticize it. More options for more people is fine by me.
Manual chain attack - finally. I hate that any button I press will still trigger chain attack, but instead I want to use buffed Ellen's ult.
i liked the TVs tho, made the game nice to play before going to sleep with the chill music themes
Thats why we never see "Honkai(s) could never", "Mihoyo could never".
Only "Genshin could never".
When a team got no intense ideal, passion and positive working attitude aim for make their game become "best game in their heart",
They "could never" (go through and grow from failure, always become better themselves) for sure.
This video saved my life
All my requests in the survey feedback have been answered lets goo
They say ''Cancel CA'', ''Manual CA''... when the only fix they had to do is to make CA Prompt to NOT override your UI, and let it run and notify player in background.
This way you can get few more hits in before triggering next chain in rotation.
As for Soukaku dilemma, all they have to do is allow you to switch out earlier when doing Fly the Flag (tornado thing).
beautiful suggestion lowkey. This simplifies everything
Not simple enough for casuals. Some, maybe a lot, could even miss the chain attacks altogether this way given they just keep mashing.
I don't think they're gonna simplify it more. Consensus is that they want high skill gameplay, taking fighting games as reference. Afaik you can toggle off manual chains anyways, but they're implementing manual chains so they have more control over the flow of the battle.
For soukaku and stuff like that it's kinda hard since to trigger chain attacks you have to do heavy attacks anyways, so it's kinda hard to change without literally have to overhaul the game's core mechanics.
Their listening and cooking at the same time. Goodjob hoyo
Yooooo They added KARA CANCELING CHAIN ATTACK AINTNOWAY
Ayo! Practicing my Kara cancels and negative edging against hologram 6 Crownless. Maybe someday I'll have enough skill to play ZZZ. I'm still too scared to play a real fighting game like ZZZ.
@@zealgaming8161 🤣🤣🤣
If the Devs "listen" as you say, they would of removed the TV mode since CBT when everyone was telling them it was a bad idea. It's HOYOVERSE they don't gaf
2:48 “I do wonder how the fu- (*audio censored here*)… how these will work?” 😂
With tablet I get stuck in little trash piles, or small steps.
At least one tv mission had buggy pathing that just kept repeating itself.
Sometimes those missions just slow down.
I like the game it's so good that I don't let my lack of third arm stop me, because the camera control farts on combat, and the basic traversal on the map.
Slicker and smoother tvs 📺 - yes, but no need to get rid of them.
The point where they talked about wise and belle. The way they phrase it ,you can totally say it's gonna be at least 1.6 patch before they implement it. They say these types of things in this type of phrase to scratch your curiosity and give you kind of hope that you will get those functions but it's basically a trap to hold as much players as possible from leaving the games. And I hate this type of tactics cos they works on most of the people 🤦
ummm...??? depends??? cuz like that's if you look at genshin, genshin took 1-2 years to implement, HSR took only like 1-2 patches, which makes sense since they also have to work on new units, events, story, future maps, etc etc.
You do have to count the shit ton amount of work it actually takes to do this kind of things, not to mention the shit ton amount of bugs you'll have to deal with with each characters' interaction with the environment, the amount of details they'll have to give with each character interacting with the environment etc etc.....
while yes i still hate genshin because they barely even implements QOL shit unless threatened, HSR and HI3 afaik listens pretty well, taking at most 4 months to implement a QoL update, which honestly is fine for a live service game.
also note, if you can see they're fixing mostly combat issues first in 1.1 and 1.2, since that's what their aim is for the game, y'know, a fighting game. They'll fix aesthetics feedbacks later. Which honestly is a goddamn fucking step up from genshin where they just ignore it.
Considering
walk around as agents is fkin great
So, anything about early game experience?`
People telling me the combat gets fun after the first 10 hours is what's keeping me from playing this game the most. I don't have enough free time to waste 10 hours of it on something I can't enjoy.
more than 10 hours for me, almost 20 hours when I started to enjoy the game a little bit. but that's because I played so many good gacha games. it's mid for me, but who says we can't enjoy mid game, same as anime. if you have time, patience and fine with the size, i think you can try, just lower your expectation
Endgame mode unlocks before you can farm gear. Its extremely annoying because of low damage for 30 levels until you unlock gear farm. Who decided that should be fired.
11:23 please tell me they gonna work on wise and soldier11 models because they look good in the art and animation but the endgame model is so bad
it's so funny when the comments say: ZZZ devs >> Hoyo LOL
HSR Devs>> ZZZ Devs>>. Genshin
And people will say these updates are made for a "casual only" game.
frfr LOL, they complain the game is a button mashing game, before realizing the shit ton amount of game mechanics they have to deal with, and then zhuyuan comes out and they couldn't even use her dash attacks properly and i even saw some people (not all) complaining when they looked at the list of combos she can do 😭😭😭
DEVS ?! LISTENED
3:33 You uust mentioned one situation where you swapped to Ellen and not want to use the Chain attack. There are times that when you do cancel (by waiting), the enemy will still be in the middle of max Daze mode, and attacking with Ellen will again trigger Chain attack, which will get annoying.
Aint no way zzz devs did more for the players in 1 (one) patch than genshin devs did in 4 years
Wuwa could never. They only do so when their game are stuttering and bugging out and the players called it " dev listen " LULW
My guy I’ve yet to ever have eyes stutter a single time let alone bug out.
I love how that’s the only thing people wanna bring up for wuwa yet zzz has been matching its name is at best mid
I give you the best clown award for today
I wasn't a fan of ZZZ at launch but I agree, Kuro could be doing more now. These ZZZ changes are system improvements, whereas WuWa's were fixes. WuWa's launch was riddled with visual/gameplay bugs, terrible voice acting, improper localization, and to some, unplayable optimization.
Free pulls are worthless if they only come with fixes and not improvements. How long have players been asking for more echo exp? Or reducing waveplates for bosses. What about new content? 1.2 is a filler patch with no new overworld areas and no continuation of the main story. That's 9-10 weeks of content drought.
Kuro listened initially but now they're silent. I guess working on the PS5 release is more important than keeping your current players from leaving.
@@kingsimba9513 my guy you act like ever game doesn’t have a filler patch out the gate and we didn’t just get a new area with story this patch.
They’ve been working on a lot of that stuff in just this patch but people still wanna act like it’s not enough but when zzz comes out and everyone is just shitting on the game because of it being boring and the devs do the same thing it’s magically the devs listen
@@amari7782 it because mihoyo. Sum ppl... Or lot of them will praise mihoyo No matter what happen. It just a gacha company that have predatory system that milk your money same with any gacha compny.
MANUAL CHAIN ATTACK !!!! I keep struggling to not switch out my Ellen / Zhu Yuan because i want to use them more on field, THAT WAS QUICK though Hoyo. If it were Genshin devs, I can say with 100% certainty they won't listen, they HEARD but totally ignored it
manual mode was in the beta. it holds no real purpose as far as casual players go, and it doesn't really work to maximize attack HOWEVER for people that play zzz purely to style on enemies, there re a lot of combos that get limited by the auto chain attack. the manual is a option before the battle starts that won't trigger auto chain attacks meaning if you have a combo you want to lab with any character you essentily won't be cucked by it anymore.
it is there literally just for ARPG and combo addicted players. so it is kinda impressive they added it back. i honestly did not think it would happen.
Tbh idk why is it even hard for them to make us control our agents in the city. It should’ve been a concept implemented from the beginning of the game? They add Whole regions in Genshin and they can’t do this ?
Kuro Devs are a blessing
For making a game full of bugs? 😂
Bro acting like hsr or even hi3 devs never listened
The WuWa effect stays undefeated lol
Least delulu kuro fanboy
You guys can't stop glazing kuro for one second... i love wuwa but you guys are just being spammers in the end
iirc from CBT1, Manual Chain Attack = you will not trigger chain attack mode automatically.
how it works is that you have to "hold press" the attack or skill on full daze enemy to trigger chain attack instead. so if you don't want to chain attack then you can just keep mashing buttons until rainbow daze become very low then trigger chain attack by holding button after. this however will be tricky on attacker that focused on charged attack, since you'll have to hold button for them most of the time...
what about agents who has hold EX's? how does that work?
If only they remove drive disc system. Stigmata system in HI3 is way better than farming those garbage that may take minimum 1 month just to get usable set for 1 character
@@xayal Not gonna happen. Relic farming allows for Hoyo to look good to investors with a stat called "player engagement", which is a fancy way of saying that they made an intentional design flaw that forces players to continue playing to get the BiS.
They did it with Honkai Impact in part 2, they're never dropping this.
The stigmata system is way better than relics imho.
lmso you did not just glaze gscha gear system.. holy hi3 shill
@@kibousn1686 Dude... Hoyoverse is a private company, they don''t have investors or shareholders that they need to show engagement statistics to. People like you are why misinformation is so bad and everyone is so misinformed. Why are you confidently spreading false information about something you know nothing about. It's embarrassing.
Main Character Selection is HUGE!!!!!!! OMGGGG.
bro said they left him speechless, dude was yappin more than ever
yay! less TV.
nice video mr fobberto, it truly left you speechless feelsokayman teatime.
Devs listened 🗣️
Of course their going to use words like challenging for one of their nicher titles lol. Just like you'll never hear COD devs use the word hardcore to describe their gameplay. Like it or not, Genshin is their mainstream cashcow, so it will be kept casual to a certain degree. It's still by far their most complete title imo, and has only gotten better. If you quit over being jaded, you're the one missing out... 🤷
Would be cool if you linked the post in the description.
they're slightly turning this game similar to Honkai Impact 3rd lol, which is a plus honestly HI3rd systems are really good.
If only they didn't fumble part 2
@@LUCAS420BLZpart 2 isn’t as bad as you guys are saying and are just living of fomo of part 1 characters legit part 2 is decent enough for a gacha game especially this songque part is really interesting so part 2 is really good
It WAS good. Then they tried to change the game to be more open-world due to popular demand, and then got shot when most, including most of those that advocated for it, told them the changes were shit.
That's why the global revenue hasn't left the hundred-thousands for the last 4 months.
@@de_vix Unfortunately, I recently quitted after Lantern. Had enough with the rampant powercreep, poor optimisation and half-ass UI. Story also required you to be a quantum physicist to understand what they're saying. ZZZ is so much better in comparison and it is clearly meant to replace HI3.
@@mleong75power creep is in every game lol so using power creep as a complain ain’t a strong point also the UI ain’t bad it literally one of the best( not the best but around top 12 gacha I have played atleast)gacha games UI also the controls are really issue to learn lol it just button mashing and you legit don’t need to use a character that is a enemy weakness legit any character can kill any enemy my only issue with HI3 is their 2800 crystal for pull which is wack cause the rate to get crystal in the game is limited .. a person can only get 12k crystal per patch which isn’t a lot especially when a new character a player wants is the next patch and if you don’t have luck 12k crystal isn’t enough for guaranteed
I started to enjoy the TV mode more because they got more creative.
Maybe this is why none of the devs in genshin listen... all the responsive devs got tossed to ZZZ.
You have a lot of work to do to edit Genshin Impact; it's been four years, and many patches are needed to implement things. Zzz will benefit from it since it's a newer game, a convenience for developers. Maybe if the devs listen to the genshin early era maybe genshin might be different today. Just appreciate dev they are now listening.
Oh jesus they didnt even say less tv in the notes, i got clickbaited.
More level exploration based design in story = less tvs + they explicitly said "improving the connection between the HDD TV mode and combat experience", which could mean a lot of things, not excluded to the lessening of overreliance on tvs in parts of the game or story.
They say "the story elements"
I think exploration and hollow zero will be what it's
Some criticism were there since the first beta and they knew loud and clear what player wants then why dev resisted change til now? Because shit hits the fan in the sales department they either change or get fired. tbh I really admire ZZZ creators initial vision to the game - a rogue-like Persona Street Fighter thingy, whats holding it back is the live-service gatcha bussiness model, and oh almost forgot, for mobile. The game right now still feels very immersive, but i'm affraid the roll-backs are gonna eliminate its unique identity - not that it is perfect or anything, but it will just become more and more like Genshin/HSR outside the story.
Shit hits the fan in sales? They are over 60 million on mobiles sales already. Roflmao
Good forbid a company making bank already on this game and listening to feedback
I don't care what they do to HDD. But i need The Prophet part 2, part 3, etc
the thumbnail OMEGA
Plz add a toggle to skip animations when you pick up chests, power-ups and f-ing buttons to open gates.
3 things can make me download this game again:
1: challenge that tests our abilities
2: Remove auto swap, this takes away our freedom and makes it seem like we are playing automatically
3:rewards, for the love of god Hoyo why does this game that probably costs less than hsr and genshin to make new patches has the worst rewards and the same rates?
Continuously updated gamemode makes me think roguelike hoping for it tbh
Hoyoverse can no officially come into my house and take all my money.
Disabling chain attack thing is huge, i literally uninstalled because chain attacks were unbearable, just let me play my character without pausing every other second. Actually based devs, reinstalling lmao
i literally uninstalled because of ben lol
If only they could implement these faster you know? Well at least having a confirmation that they will be done is good enough.
I work in programming and I can tell you, its take a lot of work to add things user might seem trivial. Please give them some time to put out features
@@zlash1148they a billion dollar company with thousands of employees it should take a month at most especially for such basic stuff
I was one of those that really wanted an avatar button. I’m so so happy we’re getting them😭
Great analysis Fob!
Devs showing their listening skills !!
Chain attack canceling ❌
Goober canceling ✅
Waiting on iyo to label these in fighting terms glossary. I'm gonna negative edging because of this news
bro think hes kuro
Bruh the dev has been saying this for years that he would hear players feedback for game release.. not everything is kuro lmao
don't worry, they won't fumble like kuro
First time a hoyo game listened on 1.1 patch, I wonder why😂
Bruh stop the glazing kuro i like wuwa over zzz, but you must acknowledge their incompetent release and bugs that still around.. Free stuff doesn't make up for it
@@No-cc1fqits kuro bc 1.0 was a failure and then the devs patched everything in 1.1 for both games 😑
He sound zesty damn. coming out soon?
The only excusable tv mode is the one in "the prophecy" side quest
Golden city and Hollow zero are okay too tho
I only enjoy hollow zero
other place? not so much fell asleep too many time
@@darweath
You should get tested for narcolepsy then
TVs are fine.
Then find a game better suited for you. The TV across the board is good.
Now only make it so we can choose substat when we use the special resin material
Its kind of interesting, when other devs say they'll do something I'm always like I'll believe it when I see it. but with hoyo I believe it.will be done whhen and on time too.
Man I don't know like it's really good they are listening but they should implement everything in 1.1 update but they are taking so many patches to do optimizations and implementing things man at this point I am really enjoying wuwa I am gonna wait till 1.4 or 1.5 bcz i jumped in the game as soon as it was launched and it was really disappointing they need do something special to hook me don't get me wrong the devs listened but man i don't wanna jump in the game again at this point will wait till further patches and see further Dev's notes then decide bcz i really hate the tv system and repetitive combat.
Iyo talk to the zzz team, and said they need to change or else he gonna kara canceling them.
I play on mobile, it over heats so much but its worth it😭🙏
how about removing that loading on opening doors
this, the unseamless world in the game sounds annoying. I don't understand for example, when we go from sixth street to parking lot it needs a loading screen😂
Yeah just open the fucking door.. add fading animation when it open so dont take to much time
@@fashyakupercent20 yeah the game is literally 50gb on pc and 19gb on mobile thats almost the same as elden ring or gta 5 yet opening doors and shhiiit still needs loading screen its soo stupid
this isn't an actual open world game like genshin lil bro.
@@Retronyx Thats not the point lil bro. Let me ask you again, do you need a loading screen just to travel from the street to random play or parking lot?? I can understand when they put a loading screen with shops like Coffee, bardic needle etc. But on the other cases, its just unnecesary imo.
Yes i do play on mobile, its suck to wait around 5 sec just to teleport
I want the TV to be kept I like puzzles
T.V you can find them in hollow zero and exploration game mode
Hell no let the tv not be in the story it kills the momentum the tv is only good in hollow defense because the TVs are used for buffs in that one but Tv in story is terrible as fck
TV just wasting time
The pace is great 👍, but some of the tv maps seem to bug out even.
Nobody plays on phone ? You think we are the center of the world ? 😂 A shit ton of chinese play on phone.
Majority of Asia player play on phone 😂 we ain't that rich to own a PC
@@shard135 yes and tbh, a game that is played 15min daily Should run and play good on phones.
@@HazardTone Yet Asia player spends thousands of dollars on gacha game LMAO
LESS tv? man i wish they didnt listen to the complaints, it’s so good.
HOLY NUCLEAR ATOMIC DEVS LISTENED 😂
One undeniable facts is that their competitors are growing in both game quality and services. Hoyo would be the dumbest company if don't finally listened to players unlike past few years when Genshin sit on the throne for far too long that they no longer respect and appreciate their players
always good to have competitors, but this also means... bring more toxic players 😂
what competitor??
The devs negative edging all over their playerbase
Fob gave me a zhu yuan and this video save my life 😊
Based. TVs in the story mode just don't work because you get CONSTANTLY interrupted by some dialogue or whatever. They should just make them into a Hollow Zero exclusive mode where they fit as a glove. The ability to explore New Eridu as agents is also huge because as it is right now you essentially pull on these S rank characters, potentially even using money only to use them in combat which is only 1/3rd of the entire ZZZ experience but now you'll have more oppurtunities to actually play as them.
Beta tester already complained this before. But never been addressed. Now suddenly listening to feedback? Such a cheap marketing move.
UI guy did it again
I appreciate the time stops
Can we use character outside mission?
MiHoYo cooking
They are losing players at a very fast rate even if one goes to the playstore the rating is 3.6 many negative comments about the game especially the TV mode and performance problems also the equipment that is not compatible with the game but at launch If they were compatible today, instead of fixing the optimization problems, I just blocked the game for those people. It's really disgusting. If it were another company, they would be creating a massive chain of hate on the Internet. I'll give this game one more month so that it becomes niche as soon as it's been there. a few weeks and it has already lost all its audience on Twitch, it is being managed by many bots and multi-accounts
I literally asked for customize mobile ui NOWAY
Hard pill to shallow, if genshin ever released artifact loadout in hard content, than their resin sale will plummeted in the long run in the short run it is beneficial people will return and race against time to make the best loadout but in the long run? nahhhh. Im not against these changes but for a sec u guys need to understand their business decision not just shouting random GENSHIN COULD NEVER like and primitive human or something
Now... if only they add more male characters...
Mr fob I hope you post more YT vids!
actually DEVSLISTENED ?!?!?!
gotta wait and see if they actually deliver on the "challenging" game modes, atm this gacha is a complete snooze fiesta.
reach lvl 45 and say it again lmao
@@nagi-springfield93 Im 42 atm. I mean leveling up will make it even more of a nap party than what it already is right
their market for 12+ so don't expect too high they will release actually "challenging" game modes
Yep they will listen now even genshin is listening now
what is rally?
Watching mr. :Jackass: strimmer so he doesnt have net negative on youtube om
If they let me float around as Rina, like just as one thing better in ZZZ, I will consider not uninstalling. I was gonna play for a month and see how I felt, and I've been having an @ss time for a lot of reasons even tho liking other things and have been getting so frustrated overall. IF TRUE, if they make all these changes even if they take some time, I actually will consider keeping the game.
More changes the better
hoyo devs listened whaaa
Jena...Uiguy wins
I'm negative edging right now!!!
Devs listened?