15 Shmups That Teach How Shmups Work

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  • Опубликовано: 30 янв 2025

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  • @TheElectricUnderground
    @TheElectricUnderground 2 года назад +78

    Awesome work on this video my friend! I bet it was a huge undertaking putting it together!

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  2 года назад +10

      Couldn't have done it without your help. Cheers!

    • @gabrielpineirobermudez4529
      @gabrielpineirobermudez4529 2 года назад +3

      Ey! You are here as well! You and your channel are the reason why I am working on a shmup. I'll share it as soon as I have something I can feel proud of. Thank you Mark.

  • @boghogSTG
    @boghogSTG 2 года назад +42

    If you're a developer, I'd say you absolutely HAVE to get into Yagawa style games - Battle Garegga, Armed Police Batrider, Ibara, Pink Sweets. They are *very* hardcore but there are way too many great ideas there to ignore. Even if you don't find them fun, treat it as research & homework. I'd recommend everyone watch this run to get a taste : ruclips.net/video/8tPVBpjcrxE/видео.html
    For actually playing the games, a good way would be to get a taste of dynamic difficulty/resource economies in Blue Revolver's Hyper mode. Then move to Muchi Muchi Pork which is a very simplified take on Yagawa's style. After that Battle Garegga & Batrider shouldn't seem that scary & obscure.
    Also a nice guide! Covered just about every game that'd come to mind. Maybe a "how to learn" follow up is in order ;) IMO getting decent at these games is a must...it's the best way to build your dev intuition. Even if that only means you can no death clear some hard bosses with savestates, or get really good at scoring in early levels.

  • @Eener1000
    @Eener1000 Год назад +13

    Nice. It feels though like most modern shmups are the bullet hell kind. I miss the hero adventure kind like UN Squadron where it feels like you are lone pilot on a galaxy/world saving mission. Hydorah from Locomalito was a nice nod to that lost genre.

    • @anthonypimentel7218
      @anthonypimentel7218 11 дней назад

      I like Gradius and R type etc - UN Squadron is SO hard though!
      Did you know it's based on a manga named Area 88? That's why there's an 88 on the runway.
      Never played Raiden, looks good - bullet hell games are new to me, I recommend playing Dodonpachi Blissful Death, Resurrection and the other one. Wish they were available on Android, maybe can be emulated.
      Sorry I meant to say, I recommend playing them with a Stylus! A cheap one will do, apple pen also.
      And then combining with controller- I've not yet tried this, will today. Deathsmiles is a good one though, it has terrain so it's old school but lots of bullets. It's pretty easy too, I didn't think I'd be able to complete it, or the others. Still struggling with Rayforce, the whole series has just been remastered, I super recommend it, the original does some crazy stuff for a 1993 game

  • @EdWalker
    @EdWalker Год назад +10

    This is hands down the best introduction to the Shmup genre I've ever seen. Excellent work!

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  Год назад +2

      Glad you enjoyed it

  • @robertjohnson9187
    @robertjohnson9187 2 года назад +9

    I dumped a lot of quarters into Raiden at my hometown arcade way back when I was in high school.

  • @SoulHero7
    @SoulHero7 5 месяцев назад +5

    Whenever I heard anyone talk about Ikaruga, I've heard nothing but praise for the Polarity system, the music, and even the story of the game. And now that I'm learning about how Shmups work, I can see how Ikaruga was able to break so many rules of Shmup design and still have the game work and be fair BECAUSE of the Polarity system. This is the first I've heard of it being controversial.

  • @SavageDiavolos
    @SavageDiavolos 2 года назад +7

    As a new guy trying to get into Shmups recently, I greatly appreciate this amazing work with all the resources you put together. Thanks to this I'm starting to understand more the intricacies and history of this addictive genre.

  • @septum___
    @septum___ 2 года назад +6

    A Lazy Devs featuring A Skeleton !? This is a shmiracle 🤩

  • @fernfernacelli
    @fernfernacelli 7 месяцев назад +2

    *INSTANT* sub.
    With being an avid fan of shooters (what I remember calling the genre before there was a real need for distinction from, at least, first-person shooters) AND being a ‘Day 1’ Transformers fan, the chapter/guest transitions AND the coverage in this video speak to me *at my core*.
    The guests and overall effort is AMAZING here. EXCELLENT!!!
    Shout to Zanac (Atari’s Space Invaders, and then, Zanac, were how I ‘cut my teeth’) and pretty much anything in the ‘Aleste’ realm…
    AWESOME… cheers!
    \m/, 😊 ,\m/

  • @goob8945
    @goob8945 9 месяцев назад +2

    the shmup community is so tight knit its amazing

  • @AKTANEARCADE
    @AKTANEARCADE 2 года назад +4

    Hahaha the MJ reference was amazing 😂 such a great vid and something that I think is hard to put together!!! This can be referenced for a long time...

  • @daserfomalhaut9809
    @daserfomalhaut9809 Год назад +5

    I love all but 2 of these, but if there's one game I would always recommend people, it's Axelay.
    It's short and sweet, boasting excellent presentation and a feeling of adventure with stakes. Beautiful richly detailed graphics with bold audio. It's a game you play not to 1cc or set a high score but to experience. Not that it tells a phenomenal story or anything, but it's the way the game carries itself through it's tone and powerful aesthetic across varied stages that have subtle hints of world building ending in impressive bosses. It gets you invested to see it through to the satisfying ending sequence making you feel like a hero.
    It's weapon system allows you to personalize a loadout and doubles as a very beginner friendly health system. It makes it very easy to get into being a touch easier than other Konami STG's. It's everything I love about higher echelon Super Nintendo gaming. A masterpiece from Konami.

  • @ReSpark141
    @ReSpark141 8 месяцев назад +2

    the games that got me into wanting to make a schmup is indie dev's Masayuki Ito's Bullet Hell Monday, and .Decluster Zero, they both have their own kind of feel i havent been able to replicate with other schmups, probably because it was on mobile before getting steam ports, and were hella accessable

  • @PixelisedPaul
    @PixelisedPaul 2 года назад +4

    I *will* finish my Ikaruga demake. I actually feel a bit ashamed that I never saw it through for the end of "season 1" but this will surely give me the kick the up the arse to get going again.

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  2 года назад +1

      Dude, people were going crazy for the gifs you posted!

  • @zalhietzli
    @zalhietzli 2 года назад +1

    Great video ! Can't wait for what's coming next. My recommendations are Guwange, ESP Ra De, GigaWing and Progear !

  • @ToeStankin
    @ToeStankin 7 месяцев назад +1

    I always recommend any Raizing game (once you become decently comfortable with shmups) to learn how to explore scoring systems, rank, etc.

  • @MovieBinges
    @MovieBinges Год назад +6

    Great vid featuring some truly legendary Shmups!!
    But I gotta say I'm a little sad that you didn't mention any "Euro" Shmups like Sky Force and Jets'n'Guns which I personally had a lot of fun playing.
    Anyways keep it up!

  • @thomaskane7810
    @thomaskane7810 3 месяца назад

    As a newbie to Shmups, the first game I actually finished is Thunder Force III, You don't lose every weapon when you die, only the one you were using up to that point. Nor do you go back to a checkpoint, you just continue were you left off until it's game over. You can also adjust your ships speed, giving you the option for when you either have to quickly get past a hall of missiles, or make slight movements to get through tight hallways.

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  3 месяца назад

      Heck yeah! Also it looks badass and the soundtrack melts faces

  • @basiltermini
    @basiltermini 2 года назад

    Great video, thank you for taking the time to make it. And thanks to the guests for all the great suggestions for games to play and research! A recommendation from me would be a flash classic called Frantic 2. It has an awesome soundtrack and a really unique aesthetic. I got the idea of vacuuming remaining bullets to the player from the game. Unfortunately it's not easily accessible anymore since the discontinuation of Flash Player.

  • @GuilleAcoustic
    @GuilleAcoustic 2 года назад +1

    Very nice video ! My two favorites shmups might be Blazing Star (NeoGeo) and Tyrian (PC-DOS)

  • @mkavo
    @mkavo 2 года назад +1

    Wow this series is going to be amazing, really hard to understand how to build a shmuo well, vertical and horizontal, lots of tools out there but no good source of info on what to think about. Really looking forward to this. Gunveins tutorial is best I've seen for understanding shmuos better

  • @Undermog
    @Undermog 2 года назад +4

    Love it, awesome resource for learning shmup history!

  • @tritonmame1282
    @tritonmame1282 2 года назад +2

    My personal recomendation is resogun - a gradius-style shooter from housemarque with perfect arcade structure.

  • @GojiGuy
    @GojiGuy 2 года назад

    Great video! This is like the absolute crash course in shmups

  • @LoveXKnife
    @LoveXKnife Год назад

    I love your channel so much.
    Thanks for all your videos, amazing work.

  • @bc_uk
    @bc_uk 2 года назад +5

    There are very few shmups that can lay claim to being "atmospheric". Maybe just a couple of the R-Type titles (especially the original arcade R-Type) and the original arcade 3-screen Darius with stereo sound come to mind. Even the very top-tier STGs I would not really associate with the term "atmospheric". This is an under-developed area in the STG formula I think, or at least long-forgotten.

    • @347573
      @347573 Год назад +1

      Sound maybe in fact a very key ingredient as "Bad Apple" enlarged community can prove!...

  • @gamewatcher4417
    @gamewatcher4417 Год назад

    Two that I would like to recommend everyone to play are Progear and Vasara

  • @blackcitadel37
    @blackcitadel37 8 месяцев назад +1

    The entire yt shmup pantheon in a single video :D

  • @gsbenassi1735
    @gsbenassi1735 2 года назад

    I'm creating a Shmup with modes and art that embrace modernity as well as classics. Shmup is a very small niche these days, but with the right mechanics and game modes, it can attract new players who aren't fans of it.
    The main feature of mine is the "lifetime" that the game will have, as it is possible to be a quick game that pleases niche players, but also has a story mode, with indeed a story that is well developed and attracts interest. With 9 characters (+ 4 types of ships for each), the game will have a great diversity of gameplay and combat, as each one will have unique consequences on the maps, such as a secret boss.

  • @Eurallis2
    @Eurallis2 2 года назад

    My recommendations:
    Modern
    Resogun [PS4/PS3/Vita]
    Sky Force Anniversary and Sky Force Reloaded [PC/Switch/PS4/PS3/Xbox/iOS/Android (almost everything)]
    Classic
    Space Megaforce/Super Aleste [SNES]
    Parodius [Arcade/GB/GBC/PSX/PSP/Saturn/Super Famicom]
    I love the long term card collecting and pilot collecting of Sky Force being in my pocket at all times and being able to play one handed. It's a bit rough getting built up, but it always gave me something to come back for more. Resogun, as someone already mentioned, will never leave my PS4. The classics mentioned here are ones that I would love to just zone out and play over and over. Great job with the shmup tutorial Lazy Devs, and keep up the great work you are doing.

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  2 года назад

      Oh man, initially I had Paroidus as a recommendation instead of Gradius. Spent a lot of time with that game on the Game Boy!

  • @shaunfreeman972
    @shaunfreeman972 2 года назад

    Rtypes definitely had that 'just one more go' thing. The minotaurs Gridrunner has to get a mention..

  • @rogueabyss
    @rogueabyss Год назад

    the pico-8 rtype is cool (zeroranger, and shildmaid MX are fun)

  • @ty-xq7bl
    @ty-xq7bl 2 года назад

    that was an unexpected collab not that im not complaining

  • @headman82
    @headman82 2 месяца назад

    Picking a favorite Shmup is like choosing your favorite child. But here goes. I definitely prefer R-type, where memorizing and tactical decisions is the name of the game. R-type dimensions on 360 is what really made me a Shmup fan.

  • @rogueabyss
    @rogueabyss Год назад +1

    I honestly don't get why gradius's follower things are called options

  • @MladenMihajlovic
    @MladenMihajlovic 2 года назад +1

    My favourite has always been Slap Fight (also known as Acon) - great graphics, great mechanics, just great game. Also Xenon 2 🙂

  • @DaKing08
    @DaKing08 Год назад +1

    I can’t believe you forgot Bullet Hell Monday!
    the mission system and destruction rate feature makes BHM much more intuitive and makes you more inclined to explore, especially since completing all missions in a stage gives more AP for upgrades.
    Some missions have you developing a scoring strategy while others have you speedkilling enemies to complete the stage as fast as possible. Maybe No Miss No Bomb (NMNB) a boss? What about timing it out and waiting until it explodes on itself?
    Seriously, play Bullet Hell Monday.

  • @FrankEBailey
    @FrankEBailey Год назад +1

    O hai Mark!

  • @shikasketchbook7610
    @shikasketchbook7610 2 года назад

    During the late 80s and 90s I played Raiden at the arcade losing alot of coins and remember the later Raiden, u can get the purple homing fat lasers, it was so satisfying to see the fat purple homing laser wipe the screen. Air gallet first I dislike the green laser frm the circling balls then I learn to like it when u get to lock the balls and by keep pressing the button for auto shoot. Progear-love the pixel art, contrast pastel background against the foreground,very cinematic.Classic like Air buster & Air duel I'm glad I played them at the arcade before. Cosmic cop is like a proto Metal Slug (pallette) but with 90s cyber punk anime, the art is A+. Banpresto Super Space Fortress Macross art is amazing too when I played in the arcade, I look forward to the cut scene which is beautiful to look at.
    Basically i think bullet hell is just a live-evolving-floating maze you have to find entry and exit lol, Tq for your time/energy for all your videos

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  2 года назад +1

      Ah yeah the purple toothpase laser. That was Raiden II. Not my personal favorite but a close runner up. And I totally get why it is such a popular entry in the franchise. The particle effects are insane!

  • @Chronosv2
    @Chronosv2 2 года назад +1

    If you want to check out a shmup treading new ground, give REVOLVER360 a try. It's a shmup where you rotate the playfield around the axis of travel, making it possible to dodge bullets in unique ways and even discover secrets. It's a game I really enjoy and would love for more people to experience.

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  2 года назад

      Good recommendaion! I have it in my Steam library. Just never got to it.

  • @Brosefish1019
    @Brosefish1019 6 месяцев назад

    Is there a category name for those early 80's shmups like Galaga or Space Invaders?

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  6 месяцев назад

      No agreed-upon name AFAIK. "Fixed Shooter" because the screen is not scrolling. Or perhaps just "Space-Invader-Like"?

  • @martinwohrle7887
    @martinwohrle7887 Год назад

    What a great video, thanks!!

  • @1InVader1
    @1InVader1 2 месяца назад

    Throw Raptor - Call of The Shadows in there. It's the definitive PC schmup made for MS-DOS way back in the day.

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  2 месяца назад

      Popular but just not a good Shmup. Poster child of Euroshmup Syndrome, I'm afraid

    • @1InVader1
      @1InVader1 2 месяца назад

      @@LazyDevs It has mouse movement, which is important for PC, progression and it's very easy. What makes it bad?

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  2 месяца назад

      ​@@1InVader1 The real reason why you remember it is that it came out at a time where there weren't many competing Shmups out on PC and emulation wasn't viable yet. In hindsight it is not even a good game among the Euroshmups. If you want to learn more about why Euroshmups have a bad repution, Electric Underground has a few of videos on this topic
      ruclips.net/video/0sOzq0ikzMM/видео.html

  • @nuclearicebreaker
    @nuclearicebreaker Месяц назад

    I noticed the Blues Brothers reference

  • @arcoelho01
    @arcoelho01 2 года назад

    First of all, thank you for your videos! I would like to recommend "Squad 51 vs. the Flying Saucers", it's available on Steam. It is a shmup with a cinematic sci-fi b-movie visual and aesthetics.

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  2 года назад +1

      I saw that! That looked so rad!

  • @dnos1979
    @dnos1979 2 года назад +1

    Definitely a big fan of Raiden and Raiden 2. Sky Force series is also very good. What about old dos shooters Raptor and Tyrian? They were awesome shmup rpgs.

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  2 года назад +2

      Raptor, Tyrian and Sky Force count to the so-called Euroshmups. Generally not very liked in the Shmup community. Will discuss later why. I have to admit that Sky Force does a good job at keeping you motivated.

  • @RobertoRenovato
    @RobertoRenovato 2 года назад

    I recommend Super Hydorah, by Locomalito, if you haven't seen already. He also made other very cool retro-inspired games.

  • @Saturn2888
    @Saturn2888 5 месяцев назад

    I was thinking I'd see some more accessible shmups like Tyrain, Ikaruga, and Jamestown (I always play co-op). It's got 2 outta 3. I think Gradius V had save states where you could pickup where left off. Many other games shown look way too complicated, and I played games like these as a kid. Minishoot Adventures is my favorite so far, but it wasn't out when this video was made.

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  5 месяцев назад +1

      Minishoot Adventures is a twin-stick shooter. That is a different type of shooting game

    • @Saturn2888
      @Saturn2888 5 месяцев назад

      @@LazyDevs I didn't realize. It looks like a bullet hell though. What's different?

  • @rogueabyss
    @rogueabyss 2 года назад

    ohhhh, there is gonna be a phase 2

  • @soratheorangejuicemascot5809
    @soratheorangejuicemascot5809 2 года назад

    19:03 his Bayonetta 3 video is turning into a microwave.

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  2 года назад

      Bayonetta was always a hot take magnet. Not touching that game before the dust has settled.

  • @divtag1967
    @divtag1967 2 года назад +1

    ppl have phd's and doctorates in shmups?..... who knew... ? hehe😄
    i never was a superfan of the genre as im more into platformers
    but after participating in the first tutorial series basicly to learn a little coding.. the charm is getting to me.
    And about charm.... Raiden instantly caught my eye, love the style.
    But the Indie games.........
    why is the indie games so much better looking than the big studio releases?? ZeroRanger!! Hallelujah.... 100%

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  2 года назад +2

      Oh man yeah Zero Ranger is SUCH. A. LOOKER

  • @soratheorangejuicemascot5809
    @soratheorangejuicemascot5809 2 года назад

    Great video. I tend to prefer weirder shmups like Suguri and Hellsinker but those games can teach you a bad habit.

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  2 года назад

      Oh man, need to wrap my head around Hellsinker!

  • @LoveXKnife
    @LoveXKnife Год назад

    Epic crossovers

  • @harrihaffi2713
    @harrihaffi2713 8 месяцев назад

    I wonder what shmup has the best story…

  • @PlasmaSnake369
    @PlasmaSnake369 Год назад

    Raiden borrows very heavily from Toaplan's vertical shooters like Truxton and Fireshark

  • @VanArtic
    @VanArtic 2 года назад

    34:06
    oh look its me :)

  • @wewyllenium
    @wewyllenium Год назад

    moai are in gradiius because 80s japan was into ancient aliens.

  • @adamfreidin5319
    @adamfreidin5319 6 месяцев назад

    Where's Black Bird?

  • @347573
    @347573 Год назад

    Xenon 2 Megablast!! :)

  • @AxiomofDiscord
    @AxiomofDiscord Месяц назад

    Mortal Kombat is not pronounced the same a better fighting game to take a Raiden from who lets you know in his intro how to say his name is Fatal Fury / KoFs Raiden.

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  Месяц назад

      The Mortal Kombat Raiden is precisely the same name as Raiden as in the Shmup - using the Kanji 雷電. The similarity was so close that certain ports of the game spell the English name "Rayden" because Acclaim was worried about legal action

  • @319t.j.5
    @319t.j.5 2 года назад +1

    play eschatos

  • @rochesternewyork7814
    @rochesternewyork7814 Месяц назад

    The word SHMUP should never be said again. Just say shooter , STOP saying SHMUP PLEASE!!! Blazing Lasers wasn't called a Shmup when it came out.

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  Месяц назад +1

      I sorta agree. Discussed in the Glossary video
      ruclips.net/video/QwQaXsXnce8/видео.html
      But also, the term "shoot-em-up" was being widely used as early as 1985, perhaps even as early as 1978 - well before the release of Blazing Lazers

  • @FabricioKarim
    @FabricioKarim 2 года назад

    I dont play many shmups, buy Tiger Heli, Steal Empire and Thunder Force V...I player a Lot!
    PS: I Sense Superfriends vibes

    • @LazyDevs
      @LazyDevs  2 года назад

      Oh yeah Tiger Heli was basically the game that Raiden copied. Need to play Thunder Force. Heard good things about it!

    • @saddemon3913
      @saddemon3913 17 дней назад

      ​@@LazyDevsfor me Thunder 4 on Genesis is also good, soundtrack is just cool