Type 45 Destroyer HMS Duncan vs 17 Russian Attack Jets From Crimea In 2018 (WarGames 123) | DCS
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- We simulate the curious incident in 2018 when at least 17 Russian Su-24 Fencers and Su-27 Flanker swarmed the UK HMS Duncan Type 45 Destroyer near Crimea. In our simulation the Russian open fire. Who will win?
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Its not over modelled - That is a completely unsurprising result. Type 45 is a purpose built Anti-Aircraft, fleet defence ship, designed specifically to operate in a saturation attack environment, based on lessons learned from the falklands conflict and the type 42's inability to cope with swarm attacks. Totally realistic
The Type 42 in that conflict was hamstrung with a 1950s era Radar that was used on the County Class Destroyer. No Moving target indicator, very poor low level detection performance and to make it worse the Argentines knew about these problems as they had 2 Type 42s themselves.
@@jyralnadreth4442
Which is why, with a new radar, Type 42 was shooting down cruise missiles with exactly the same missiles it had during the Falklands!
Radar IS The Key was the lesson.
Exactly John. You don't want to be an air unit going against a Type 45. The Type 45 is arguably the best and strongest anti-air vessel in the world; it's it's primary role; it's radar and anti-air capabilities, are frankly phenomenal.
Don’t they say that five Type 42 equals one Type 45?
@@MostlyPennyCat Exactly....HMS Exeter was equipped with the Type 1022 Radar and was a nasty surprise for the Argentine Air Force as they tried the same tactics with her as the other Type 42's present.....Exeter nailed 2 A4 Skyhawks and a Lear Jet and claimed a possible Exocet on May 30th 1982
I expected nothing less than exactly what happened. Type 45 is far more capable than people realise. Not over-modelled in any way.
T45 would be able to engage all 17 targets at once. There are various figures on how many targets can be engages at once but 32 is a generally accepted figure. However ASTER missiles have their own guidance radars so do not need ship guidance. So theoretically the ship should be able to shoot all its missiles at at targets until it runs out. Once 24 Sea Ceptor are added these will be integrated too, The upgrade will have 24 Sea Ceptor and 48 ASTER 30 block 1 and then 1NT.
you know the british goverment admitted to the type 45 sucking
Type 45 could engage way more than 32 targets simultaneously if it had the missile to do so.
@@LondonSteveLee yes the radar can but the aa missles are ass
@@dogekoko9865 ASTER 15s are amongst the most capable medium range anti-air missiles in the world - but they are no good at point blank range.
@@LondonSteveLee thats what i am saying i am not a russian fan but russian supersonics close the gap before it locks on
Spoiler: we may have found out why USN Carrier Bosses like having a Type45 in the defensive mix 😮
Not really - Type 45 has probably got the best RADAR but that's about it. Too many missing capabilities, it's very vulnerable. So we'll be able to see with absolute precision what's about to sink us - rule Britannia... I suspect the enemy wouldn't conveniently sit in a holding pattern in the perfect performance envelope of your limited anti air missiles but not in a pattern that would enable them to launch an attack themselves! Late flight Arleigh Burkes are in a different league to Type 45 in all-round capabilities - they shouldn't be - it's a matter of funding. When we dropped Type 45 from 12 to 6 hulls - they promised it meant they would be fully equipped - better to have 6 fully armed destroyers than 12 skeleton ships they said - they lied. We've got 6 skeleton ships - none of which would last an hour in combat against a determined enemy.
@@LondonSteveLee when did you serve in the Navey lad?
you know the british goverment admitted to the type 45 sucking
@@mrfrisky6501 I'm pretty sure you mean Navy? And having Navy service means nothing. You don't have to be a former sailor to be well versed on hardware and the politics behind such things...
@@MrWorldwide00 predictive toxt kid - so what tec giant do you work for son?
That was actually pretty accurate from what I know about the type 45 and yes, the 4.5inch gun can engage fast jet targets.
Sort of - the 4.5incher can be aimed with loose guidance from SAMPSON - ie point at general threats - but it's NOT actually RADAR guided (slaved) with proper predictive aiming - that project was cancelled by Cameron's mob. A criminal act because it would have increased the effectiveness of Type 45 for peanuts (also providing cheap inch-perfect land bombardment capabilities) - particularly as the VLS missiles are not replenishable at sea - so swarm attacks with low value aircraft or drones would soon run Type 45 out of missiles. The sort of target that the main gun SHOULD be able to engage in this day and age given the world class RADAR and compute power onboard Type 45 but cannot. Penny pinching will end up with sunk 45s and dead sailors - we learned nothing from the Falklands.
There are rumours that a 4.5 inch shell destroyed an ASM in the Falklands war
@@LondonSteveLee Interesting point, indeed especially seeing the current developments in Ukraine that looks really stupid. A military expert should have seen that coming from miles away. Reminds me of our brilliant idea to cut our military spending so hard we had to retire our Gepards...
That wld never happen.
@@simonestridge6096 Yes the arguments still rages whether HMS Avenger took down the Exocet with her gun or not! In theory it's more than possible, early generation sea skimmers have very predicable flight profiles.
The radar is called s-1850m and it is a 3d L-Band aesa radar that is capable of tracking at ranges up to 2000km when used in a ballistic defense role. 6:40
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Rumble is mostly loaded up with right wing nut jobs posting crazy ass shit because Rumbl doesn’t practice any kind of standards monitoring. I really really really have a hard time with right wing nut balls,… especially the ones that post crazy ass shit.
@@grimreapers That's the big flat panel that he is talking about. The one on te mast top is an AESA S-Band that does target designation and mid course updates. Missile radar seekers are active as mentioned above. The things on the sides of the mast are satcom.
@@Medieval_Arpad_cooks
SAMPSON (the big ball) does actually perform mid course guidance, the active seekers on Aster are for terminal guidance.
As designed, to swat swarms of dumbasses getting too close. Props to the crew of the Duncan for staying so calm and professional.
Amen.
Thank you... I was on the ship during this 😅
@@Sirmartini321 well done the Duncan!
What you have just found out is that the Type 45 destroyer us the best air defence destroyer of any nation. This is not over modelled this is what they were designed to do. The Sampson radar is designed to track over 200 targets and then prioritise the threat and select the appropriate system to kill the threat. They can engage between 20 and 30 targets at once. All of this came from analysing the naval aspects of the falklands war. The Arliegh burke is probably the best allround destroyer currently in service, but as someone pointed out the US task forces love having type 45’s along for air defence as simply nothing can touch them. They have now had an upgrade which makes them even more deadly. Generally just stay out if there envelope.
Sampson can track upto 1000 targets, the size of cricket balls travelling at 'over mach 3', upto 400km away, and control 16 interceptors onto threats simultaneously. Although the rumour has always been that tracking targets at ~mach 4.5 is well within capability. Beast of a radar, but hilariously expensive, played a significant part in half the T45's being cancelled.
And yes, the main gun does have an Anit-aircraft mode, and can engage air targets at upto 20km out, but hits at that range are pretty damn unlikely.
Nowadays while main guns can attempt to directly intercept an air target their main role is they create a wall of flak along the targets flightpath by rapidly firing multiple rounds at different angles with varied fuse timers. The hostile missile/aircraft then has to fly through the flak wall thats gradually descending through the air with their own speed working against them by magnifying the damage they suffer from impacts.
Unless you have served as a PWO on a D class, you don't have the slightest idea of the true capability of the 1045 and 1046 radar sets. You make yourself look silly by pretending that you do. The reduction in procurement had nothing to do with the cost of the ship, and everything to do with political interference.
@@hb1338 Most of the stats in my post come from the Royal Navy website, what are rumours are clearly labelled as rumours. Unless you think that the Royal Navy are just pretending?
The ability for the type 45 to be actively tracking each jet from takeoff before engagement would allow them to get rockets off probably as quick or quicker then they did in the simulator
Missiles not rockets! Don't mean to be pedantic but since it's a simulation I'll correct with what I know. Asters have a guidance system hence are missiles not rockets.
@@mooglefourteena Correct... But also pedantic 🤣
Its not a minor detail at all, a military with missiles, could flatten a military with rockets.@@Marri-Tech
Even before the Duncan picked up those aircraft , one would normally expect NATO EW assets in the region to have marked the pilots the moment they broke wind climbing into their relics , in the meanwhile NATO thanks the Russians for providing the best realistic training for its warships
I had our lovely ship down for a resounding win and she didn't disappoint. Awesome!
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(1) The Sylver VLS (as used on the T45) is listed has having a much higher rate of fire than the Mk-41. Better missile eflux handling systems. But this is per 8-cell module, so I'm not sure how relevant this is in practice.
(2) The old SM-2 required missle directors, one per target but up to 2 missles per target. The Arleigh Burks have 3 of these AN/SPG-62 fire-control radars.
The new SM-6, and Aster, uses datalinks (like Meteor) and the Sampson radar can track 1000 targets. In the case of warships, this is specifically to handle swarms of aircraft.
(3) Apparently the probability-kill p(k) for one Aster is (at least a bit) better than the P(k) for a pair of SM-2's, at least when the Aster was first designed, so they fire one per target, rather than a pair per target.
You took on one of the most advanced destroyers in the world with 17 4th gen aircraft, you can't say you're surprised at this.
The bonus footage was worth every bit of time. I'm pretty sure even the Brits on board would have to be impressed enough to put their tea cups down momentarily for a "good show" or two. Then promptly swat them out of the air lol.
The suitcase shaped things on the flat roof behind the main radar are HF radio antennas designed to go straight up and bounce off the atmosphere. They enable radio comms behind mountain ranges that would otherwise be radio blind spots.
Wow, I did not expect that! Love the Bonus Footage at the end!
Type 45 doing what it was designed to do! The Achilles heel of a 45 has always been the lack of missiles. Adding x24 Sea Ceptors into the mix will really help longevity in a fight 💪💪
I have heard that the type 45 is more of a convoy vessel, so the lack of missile is not that dreadful, considering you more than likely have an astute with a number of its own sea to air missiles nearby.
the uk admited to the thype 45 sucking
@@evelynroadmedia9415 It pretty much is. UK naval doctrine is T23 ASW, T45 AAW, and Astute for ASW, all defending the expeditionary force of the QE or the Litoral strike group.
They operate alone a lot of the time because they can all be general purpose to an extent. But if the RN sends a sole T45 into a warfighting scenario it's unlikely to go well.
@@evelynroadmedia9415 The Astute class doesn't have sea to air capability (at least not publicly disclosed) It's purpose is to deal with surface/sub-surface and land targets.
@@evelynroadmedia9415 If you really want to understand the NATO doctrine, have a look at the constitution of the various CSGs.
8:04 WOW that's some impressive flying Mr.Sock!
The scream at 14:58 is absolute comedy gold. *chef's kiss
4 years ago when the Ducan was swarmed by the Russian's the daughter of our parts manager was on that Destroyer on that tour and they were not worried (well they were worried but I mean they weren't worried about the ship capabilities) they had all the planes targeted and locked. If it had gone hot all the planes would have been dead,
Kind of like how it actually played out. ;-)
No they would not as the planes were too close - ASTER 15 won't hit s--t at under 1.8 miles at low altitude - a fantastic missile one it gets a track but the minimum engagement profile is a real problem. Type 45 desperately needs Sea Ceptor if it doesn't want to join Moskva in the black sea.
@@LondonSteveLee it is getting it 😉😎
@@LondonSteveLeeAll Type 45s will be equipped with an additional 24 CAMM tubes by 2032, Good upgrade but couldn’t come soon enough
@@LondonSteveLee To be fair a fighter isn't going to fire antiship missiles from 1 mile away either. Once they got in that close it was obvious they were buzzing the ship. The ship could probably shoot them with CIWS at that range.
In the next couple years Type 45 will start to get an additional 24 tubes for CAMM increasing the firepower on these beautiful ships, It’s just a shame money constraints ruled out more SYLVER VLSs
Should have 100 missile minimum along with anti sub and real offensive anti ship missiles. It's a ship that would have been brilliant in the Falklands but not great in 2023. The fault lies with corrupt peado government scumbags cutting costs
I think this one went off really well guys. The type 45 would have been on alert and tracking everything before the engagement which would make sense as to why it was firing so quickly. They already had the targets all they had to do was push the button so to speak.
Well it is a highly specialised anti air warfare destroyer designed from the ground up for this sort of situation so it’s not really over modelled
Great video as always :) These types are my favs.
Sampson is freakin' awesome as a radar.
The war in the Donbas has been going on since 2014.
Yeah Obama installed zelinsky exactly for this purpose,why do you think they pulled out of Afghanistan so quickly?
They knew they had another war right around the corner,
@@stephencollins9062 Nothing happens in a vacuum. Yes Obama is a big player in this sorry affair.
the Chinese type 055 is a much larger vessel than the Type 45. For reference, the type 055 is bigger than a Tico.
Exactly. A Type 45 vs a Type 052D is a even fight. Type 055 is another weight class.
That went exactly how I thought. Duncan is doing exactly what it was made for.
The Sampson Radar spikey ball (Type 1045) is AESA and the S1850M (Type 1046) the rectangular one is 3D and is a AESA...the Type 45 has 2 AESA radars
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Incorrect - how many aerials does the 1045 have ?
Great video same thing happened with closer range to HMS Defender ships from the Russian coastguard firing but out of range but they still had to get fireproof gear out because of the threat
GR did that video as well a bit back 😀
@@Davros-vi4qg well a breakdown when it happened I have watched since the long range was a phoenix missile from an f14 and the reapers blowing up star destroyers
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Interesting video and fun to watch. One point to note is that Duncan would fire salvos against inbound Mx. 2-3 Aster minimum against a smart munition, so that brings the saturation side of things further into focus.
Says who?
Aster is a hit to kill munition, you're only supposed to shoot one at each target because they don't miss.
That was the whole point, not needing to salvo.
@@MostlyPennyCat Respectfully - I'm pretty well qualified to say what I said.
@@EdGeyy If you were, you wouldn't be here.
@@hb1338 Right, because fanciful wartime scenarios are reserved for the unemployed. I'm here for entertainment, just like you.
ASTERS were designed with the philosophy to hit what they are fired at - they are expected to be 1 missile 1 kill missiles. You do not fire salvos of ASTERs - that's why Type 45 only has 48 cells. - each missile is supposed to count.
While stationed at port Stanley the type 45 can paint targets setting off from Buenos Aires! The argies hate it as their ews just screeches at them as soon as their airborne!
There are no Argentinian combat aircraft based anywhere near Buenos Aires.
In terms of EMPing them with radar, it's probably not about frying yourself much as it's directional. It's more likely the 1/r² element of RF which makes it less effective.
Modern ship and aircraft radars have an attack mode where they really do try and knock out the enemy with concentrated beam strength, they also have the ability to insert hostile code into enemy systems though those functions are really really classified.
@@watcherzero5256 .. so classified that you don't have the slightest idea whether or not they exist.
@@hb1338 Oh I KNOW they exist :)
I really hope they will model the Admiral grigorovich frigates. It would be awesome for y’all to do these Black Sea war games. With the best ships remaining in the Black Sea
Can DCS model drunken poorly trained sailors and half the systems broken from lack of maintenance? Of course even with those failings the Grigorovich frigates would still defeat Type 45 which currently has no anti-ship capability outside sending Torpedo armed Lynxes off to be shot down. Removing Harpoon before NSM was available was a criminal act of negligence - as was delaying the fitment of Sea Ceptor.
@@LondonSteveLee disgusting appraisal of Russian people.
"Clear to engage"....
"Okaaayyyy...so. Ice cream then?"
Well a Type 45 is the only thing that could kill James Bond.
😂😂😂 faxts
Was chatting about this just yesterday. Interesting times for all!
Love the outtake at the end; could watch an entire episode of you lot shooting the s*** as you arse around!
The 45 desperately needs the additional mk41 and the Martletts on the auto cannon mounts.
And Sea Ceptor - and DS30M fitted to all ships - not just Duncan. When we dropped from 12 to 8 then 6 hulls the promise was to fully equip the ships - lies as usual!
🇬🇧🇬🇧please read this (not worried about you reading it out just info for you) I watched that as it happened and the way the Russians buzzed they wasn't swarming HMS Defender it was a jet every fer seconds. I honestly think that they would have lost out big time. 🇬🇧🇬🇧
I know I'm going to be biased but I genuinely think that the original jet's would have gone down. They would have sent more after and THEN we would have paid but like I said we WOULD have knocked them out the sky 👍🏻 I'd love to see it run like that. Keep up the good work guys
It seems very accurate for public information of the ship. It was designed to be purely anti aircraft and to be sailing in a fleet with different specialisms. This doesn't surprise me at all. Brits learnt a lot in the Falklands.
We learned nothing from the Falklands we still have under-funded air defence destroyers with half their intended systems missing.
@@LondonSteveLee Unfortunately, it will take another conflict, like the Falklands, to remind our government of the importance of the Royal Navy. (Remember, hey were about to sell off one of our carriers when they were invaded)
Did you hear about the British bulldog that killed a bear?
Bear choked on it. ☺️
oof
Loved the video @Grim Reapers! Can't wait for the next video man! The British Type 45's are quite Interesting as well as the Type 22 Frigates. It would be Interesting to see how a Multinational Force with a Ticonderoga-class Cruiser, A Few Flight I and Flight IIA (Technology Insertion) Arleigh Burke-class Destroyers, 1 or 2 Type 45 Destroyers, 3 or 4 Type 22 Frigates, a Nimitz-class or Gerald R. Ford-class Aircraft Carrier, a Queen Elizabeth-class Aircraft Carrier and The French Aircraft Carrier Charles De Gaule were to Grab the Unexpected Attention of 2 Krivak-class Frigates, 2 Neustrashimy-class Frigates, 3 Admiral Gregorovich-class Frigates, 6 Grisha-class Corvettes, 1 Tarantul-class Corvette, 1 Bora-class Corvette, 4 Buyan-M Corvettes, 3 K-300P Batteries, 12 Su-24 Fencer's, 18 Su-27 Flanker's and 8 Mig-25 Foxbat's. I know this is a Tall Order given that you've got the Current Entirety of the Russian Black Sea Fleet with Their Top Notch Aircraft and Anti-Ship Missile Batteries in support going against the American, British and Some French Forces in the Area but it should be quite the Fireworks Display nonetheless.
Can't wait to see how things go and I'll catch you in your next video!
The current Royal Navy frigate is the type 23. The Type 45 destroyers will also soon have Sea Ceptor SAM's.
Type 22''s are in Other navies e.g. Romanian. They carry 7 inch Guns. The missile systems aren't great.
The type 23's also help in defence and offence.
Both large spiny radars are 3D AESA radars (although the L band antenna has weaker elevation resolution). The black flat panel Thales radar just operates at a lower frequency (requires a larger antenna, has greater range but less resolution). The round Sampson radar operates at a higher frequency, has better resolution all around and is much better at picking out close low flying threats.
The 2D radars are the small ones that are used for marine navigation the side of the mast.
The S1850 has a range upto 2000km and is the main volume air search radar while the Sampson radar has a range of 400km and is used for fire control.
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@@watcherzero5256 Sampson is multi-function.
I well remember shooting a media piece on HMS Daring many years ago, they showed us a video of the CIWS in operation tracing out letters. But they wouldn't let us use it..
Wonder why.... Some one spelling out fuck Boris....
I'm sadden by Cap....he forgot to mention the biggest wrestler back then.... Andre the Giant.
Andre! And Animal and Hawk, and the Natural DIsasters.
I like the Su-24 "Fencer" mainly because it's an "Aardvark-ski". The Russian near equivalent of the F-111. Does this mean the Duncan is a "Flanker Spanker"?
Apparently so...
From someone who knows T45s, the Long Range Radar Type 1850M would have these aircraft as soon as they took off (along with satellite picture) and 1045 (Multifunction Radar) would 'paint' every one of those aircraft with a missile. One false move and the hatches open and an Aster is on it's way. I'd say at least 15 splashed on first engagement. Phalanx and MS30 will have anything else which comes near. Those Russian aircraft are seriously old. And T45s don't have NSM. They had Harpoon
But the Russian jets were allowed to get well within the minimum engagement profile of ASTER 15 at (near) sea level. Duncan was a sitting duck.
Freaking love this video you guys always make my day and I'm always laughing.
My first GR video was the Kerch Bridge attack. Been here ever since.
Love the videos as always
Your trip around the sensors suit of a 45 was waaaaay off 😂
Russian main tactic in situations such as this is: approach the target from multiple directions (minimum 4 directions), have every plane launch at least 2 missiles so that they roughly reach the target at the same time, turn around and GTFO real fast!
That scenario against the Chinese destroyers didn't take into account That Royal Navy sailors would make a massive differance. I highly doubt the Chinese are anywhere near competant as the Royal Navy
Good video, Cap. No tanker or AWACS assets?
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Ikr lol.. It's almost as if when you put a ship designed almost exclusively for air defence in the role it's designed for ( ie Air Defence ) it will do impressively well compared to what happens when trying to make it conduct anti ship or land attack. Who knew and could have guessed that 🤣
Are they my golf clubs going round on top of that ship radar? Thanks again guys
14:58 is my favorite part
I think the scary part is this ship model, which did not perform the best up against the Chinese benchmark, is acturally not over-modeled. I believe aircraft in a random pattern around the ship like that just flying close by without using the advantage of long range missiles, should and will (did) get oblitrated per the video. You have a giant moving SAM site that can defend itself and has the capacity of a basically all the missile batteries you'd come across for hundreds of miles in all directions. The video doesn't even model the EW capabilities that should be far superior to any RU jet.
This is what makes me excited for the future DDG(X) model. They're essentially keeping the successful Arleigh Burke model and building a new ship/design because they need an abundant amount of more physical space and power to support freakin' laser beams, crazy electronic warfare capability, and adequate room to support decades of upgrades.
.. nor does it model anti-missile EW capability.
You guys need to get on as many platforms as possible, may I suggest Utreon as an additional option.
The longer range but 2D radar is the big one on the top. The medium range but high accuracy 3D radar is the large black one on the back.
The other radars are for various other senses and systems.
I definitely did not see this coming. Aster 30, best Aster!
Apparently so.
I really wasnt too suprised by the result ... The Russian craft were not aggresive enough in getting off as many missles as they could thou..
That being said the Type 45 is a top of the line destoyer and I would expect it to wipe out air wings ...
The ship is not over modelled, it was designed to do exactly that. In fact, in reality, if we were at war, those jets would have died almost as soon as they’d taken off.
I don't think it's over modelled either - but - the earth isn't flat, they wouldn't be shooting aircraft down they cannot see. Realistically (unless during total war) the rules of engagement would mean Type 45 wouldn't return fire until there's actual threat (ie an ASM in the air) by that stage Duncan is dead as there would already be more ASMs than Duncan has missiles to deal with (if Russia meant it) - don't forget that 30 miles off Crimea would put Duncan in range of an unknown number of land-launched ASMs as well as the attack aircraft - there would also undoubtably be an AWACs flying giving the Russians precise targeting information. If the original Channel 5 situation happened (aircraft are well under 2 miles) Duncan is toast, ASTER 15 needs nearly 2 miles to get a solution on anything at sea skimming altitude - it has to get the initial burn phase out the way before it could get down there. But as this scenario was scripted it was perfect for Type 45 - lots of loitering targets at 3-10 miles - easy pickings for Type 45 which could simultaneously engage all of them.
@@LondonSteveLee you’re right, the earth isn’t flat but none of these aircraft were flying on the ground, so, as I said “if we were at war”, type 45 can track, identify and target aircraft WAY beyond visual range and would be able to knock all of the ones in this scenario out of the sky at max range. You brought up an added AWACS for the Russians…..we have them too 😉
@@Bob10009 An AWACS could easily sit beyond the range of ASTER 30 and track a ship sized target - actually even a normal fighter aircraft would detect a ship beyond the range of ASTER 30. My point is modern namby pamby rules of engagement would mean the aircraft would get inside the minimum engagement profile of ASTER 15 before we'd react - too late - dead ship. Type 45 desperately needs effective point defence and we need to get on with fitting the auto-cannon to the rest of the 45s - it's only on two as far as I know - unlike Phalanx the auto-cannon has a reasonable chance of engaging something sub-sonic flying on a fairly static course before it gets close enough to do real damage on kinetic energy alone.
@@LondonSteveLee as does sea captor which will be fitted soon.
@@Bob10009 The Russians are down one AWACS aircraft at the moment.
Nice comeback for the Type 45!! It may not be able to take on similar class ships, but it can scrub the skies of 2 flights of enemy aircraft with speed and style! Great run guys, always good to have Grumpnik back in the skies and Sock is.....Sock. Sweet paint job on that Flanker tho!
We have Astutes to deal with all those lovely Chinese cruisers ;)
I'm pretty sure that the loss to the chinese anti-ship missiles was a glitch of some sort, Sampson is more than capable of tracking them, yet the missiles simply didn't fire.
@@godalmighty83 As I recall, they all fired but they simply ran out: they were chucking Aster 15s and 30s at a rate at least twice the rate of the Chinese destroyers sending their own anti-missile missiles, and thus ran out first. 4-1 per vampire was simply far too great a rate of fire then was needed. Mind you this is almost certainly a DCS thing. I am sure IRL they would be more sensible and sending 2 or at MOST 3 per incoming. But hey, we're all armchair admirals in the end.
I never, never, never expected that result!
I did, that is what the 45s are designed to do.
A high powered radar can fry the electronics of a poorly built fighter, but it's easy enough to EM shield electronics so that's it's not an issue. It does take attention to detail though.
Hence it being a problem for Russia lol
May be better if you allow the Russians to get the first shot off (and see how the Type 45 responds) and also allow some of the Russians to be BVR.
I don't know if the ship was over modeled but the speed that ship was dishing out aa missles and smashing Russian aircraft was impressive to say the least.
From my knowledge I believe Type 45 can salvo launch/control 16 missiles at once hitting different targets
The radars unclassified figure is it can guide 16 missiles at a time (real figure higher) so launching salvoes of 8 at a time as it did in the video was actually under modelled, would probably be closer to the missile spam of the Arleigh Burke Flight III DCS model they created in real life.
Yea the British usually underplay their weapons heavily to the public. The released numbers are on avg between 25-50% worse than they actually are.
@@danielmichaels1505 Just to add another number, they can launch 8 missiles in 10 seconds from the Sylver launchers.
Man Cap really new some of the greatest professional wrestlers. Back when wrestling was actually fun to watch. Maybe it’s just because I was a kid.
Na, it was friggin awesome back then.
the EW is the little spikes on the upper part of the main mast, the domes on either side are most likely COMMs
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I also heard a quote from the Captain in which he stated that the EWS could drop the aircraft out of the sky, but that was a surefire way to start WW3
hopefully the fencers are armed with Kingbolt and AS17. because thats what I always used to use in Harpoon, and looking at the numbers.... no, not enough SAMS.... dumb bombs on an antiship mission, not best plan
Type 45 is a beast. Real life situation I read that all the jets were locked on, and in a flick of a switch missles are launched at once its a absolute machine.
I would have loved to hear the Russian Comms, when they discovered that every one of them was locked.
No wonder it didn't kick off 😂
Still wouldn't have the Ensign on the quarterdeck while at sea, entering/leaving harbour or alongside only.
14:57 when grump dogged that missile 😂
I want to see a similar simulation, but using an Aegis-equipped destroyer
For the CIWS problem: could you give it a refillable magazine with a really short reload time?
We can add CWIS but not actually edit it as it is a "core game" weapon.
Great video, moving to rumble
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Loved this.
One more coat of paint and that jet would have hit the ship lol.
Looking at the Wiki pedia entry, you are under loading the type 45. Before we argue the merits of wikipedia, it's a benchmark. there should be an extra SeaCeptor (24x) cells. This then enables the Asters to all be Aster 30's (48x).
None of the ships have received the firepower upgrade yet, the first ship with the power plant upgrade has only just returned to the fleet.
@@Akm72 and the type55 has everything as well?
As to upgrades... there are some with them. Considering they sail past where I live. Some have additional things on them.
@@gavin1506 I just use the Royal Navy Lookout website as a source for what's going on. No doubt they are not 100% right on all things, but they let me keep more or less up to date.
@Akm72 I think my point is.. Wikipedia states its coming. The type 55 from China states its coming. So using it as the standard... just add it.
As far as things go Wikipedia is full of propaganda... but if you use it for all sides it's fine.
@@Akm72 Incorrect.
Wow. French doorknob was new for me. Takes a lot of flexibility
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*NERD ALERT* In the HMS Duncan video they are calling out what seem like random words, these are NATO codenames for radars. 'Slot Back' is the N-019 pulse-Doppler target acquisition radar used on the MiG-29, 'Drop Kick' is the fire control radar from the SU-24M and then we get to the odd one out; 'Top Plate' is not an aircraft radar, it is shipborne. From what I can tell 'Top Plate' is fitted to Kirov class battlecruisers and also Slava class cruisers. At 1:58 as the monitor shows the aircraft flying around you can see the silhouette of a large vessel in the distance.
Love the video, btw :).
Slot Back also serves the early Su-27 Flankers I believe?
@@grimreapers you might be right, as it was definitely a flanker flying around. I just assumed they didn't film the Fulcrum, if there was one.
i followed yal to rumble, but watching here until your not here because this works better
Roger, guessing about 3 months until R is fully working.
@13:33
Fire Control Room:
“prank em lads”
Great videos very fun to watch. In this video you got to decide who would fire first and how to equip the attackers? The SU24 had the KH31s mostly AI? the SU27 had dumb bombs? While numerous aircraft flew a holding pattern waiting for their aster the SU24 the greatest distance fired at the ship... a second su24 fired it was no where near closest either. These were the AI I am guessing? Watching on small device so cant see the the details distance details etc.
I think if you are going to set it up you ought to throw in a version with the Flankers or aircraft firing first. There was about a 18 second gap from aster out to first KH31 ??20 plus seconds to second jet firing its KH31?
So question is how to beat a type 45 might be having more than two aircraft of 17 fire at it? Or better yet let the flanker Pilots decide if they want to drop their bombs when they buzz it? Similar fashion might be flip it over allow the air craft to fire first and the ship to respond 18 seconds later? That who fires first might change things a bit.
Su-24 were all AI. Most refused to fight due to the amount of missiles and just ran away.
@@grimreapers Would love to see this replayed, but with the Russian squadron actually coming in for a full attack instead of first flying for intimidation. If the Fencers can actually get their full missile loads off, does the Type 45 have enough shots to swat them down and the follow-up Flankers?
13:30 "Hoist up the thing! Batten down the whatsit! What's that thing spinning?? Somebody should stop it!!"
Thanks!
The Bear IS aware of the reason Bulldogs have such short noses and protruding jaws, right? ;)
Duncan’s captain at the time was a lady Cap! Eleanor Stack is her name.
Followed you all on rumble too.
Welcome!
17 Russian aircraft attacking ..... HMS Duncan " hold my tea"
About wrestlers: Cactus-Jack was cool. Weird late 70´s post-deadhead cactus dude in spandex. Or how about "Ludwig Borga" (Tony Halme). The man that came member of Finnish parliament, but was shooting in his house so that his wife and children had to run, and later OD´d. Was also in the Die Hard 2 btw... That "has to be thug with Late-Communist baddie" kinda dude.
8:05 thats some shaving stuff
Eddy Wally Wow Meme always scares the sh!t out of me. lol
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Is the 45 going to get updated at all? They’re adding 24 camm missiles, and the uk is adding the abm block 1 aster 30 that might really help against the type 55
Yes.