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5 Stupid Mistakes Beginner Riders Can Avoid (so Easy!)
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00:00 Introduction
00:18 How to find these courses
00:53 Not looking through a turn
02:18 Being scared
03:36 Riding at 15%
04:39 Look where you want to go
06:27 How to enter a corner
07:22 Know how to STOP fast
08:23 Questions?
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Hi Lali so sorry to hear Romania got his by the Russians, I hope all was ok and none of anyone close to you to you to. take care. x
Great tips!
We have similar courses in Sweden.
Something they told us is (maybe you mentioned some of these):
1. Ride at 80% capacity. This gives room for error and unforeseen things and plenty of room to grow.
2. Speed comes with technique, when you get the techniques down the speed will come also. Don't focus on speed.
3. When training it's often in a controlled area where there are no road hazards, and you don't have to think about traffic rules, and surrounded by professionals. Apply the techniques you learnt during the training on your everyday rides, but don't push yourself.
Do that in a controlled environment with professionals.
My dad often says "Åk snyggt" translates to "Ride nice / ride well".
Implies riding safe, riding fun, riding dynamic.
Åk snyggt!
You don't have to be a beginner rider, to make silly mistakes.
Be honest about your riding, don't be too proud in learning new skills.
My life experiences have always taught me that the best things in life always happen outside of my comfort zone and the other side of fear is where life truly begins, as thats where we really find ourselves 🙏💖
"at the edge of your comfort zone........" Absolutely correct.
"Keep you from unaliving yourself!" 🤣😂🤣That's hilarious!
Brilliant tips, one thing to add is - if you fall off, don’t be afraid to get back on and go again
Excellent video Lali. Can't agree more, you can always be a better rider by strengthening your riding fundamentals. Flying Eyes the saving grace for 4 eyed riders. Nothing worse than spending $600 or $700 on a helmet and it's uncomfortable wearing 👓 in it.
You are a serious legend, Lali. I did a 3ft stoppie in front of the instructor. He said the same thing, not using enough breaks. So, I used ALL OF IT. He was not mad, he just said I hate rigers in my class. I was a truck driver for 14 years. In that time I let my endorsement lapse. So I took the MSF class. Since HD lobbies the Fed to force it. It is a good thing for beginners and returning riders.
I am so blessed to live in PA ciz I don’t have money laying around to take the MSF course. I’m so lucky. Getting my license has never been so easier. When I tried getting my car license, lessons cost around 1k. HUGE difference.
Great video! I was behind someone who was obviously a new rider the other day. When we came to a casual right turn, he went all the way over into the oncoming lane. To make matters worse, he put his inside foot down and almost ran over himself! I backed way off because I expected a crash any second. We finally came to a stop sign. What I hadn't noticed was the trooper behind me. He went around both of us and stopped the rider. I can't tell you what was said, but on my way home, I came across the bike standing on the side of the road with the driver nowhere in sight. I guess he was getting a private lesson from the highway patrol. He probably saved the guys life!
I took the MSF beginner riding course back in 2000 and it covered a lot more than I ever imagined. The emergency swerve and panic stopping techniques have been valuable several times through the years.
That's already in the cbt. How long ago did you do your test?
@@101steel4 2000
I would like to make a comment in support of your content on this video. I have been riding for 51 years now and started on dirt for the first eight years of my riding experience. Everything that is taught in these courses was learned at a very young age. There were no exercises or drills. It was learned by trial and error. For some time in my adult life, I would get frustrated when everyone insisted that courses were necessary. I had never taken courses and have a huge amount of riding experience to include crossing United States multiple times. I’ve also Moto camped in 40 of the 50 states and I’ve done rides that were as long as 12,000 miles. It was easy for me to discount courses. A few years ago I started training my adult children and my 48year old wife as they were tired of watching me ride off on adventures and wanted to join. I taught them step-by-step from rocker drills on up and now each of them have completed trans continental rides. what I learning and teaching them is that if you did not grow up on motorcycles just as if you did not grow up with a second language ,then additional education is a must. The neural pathways in the brain need to be produced to master any new skill. I can admit that if I tried to learn a new language I would be better with an instructor, and if new riders didn’t start riding at the age of 5 and grow up on motorcycles then they are best served by seeking instruction also.To end my comment, I will say that your contact is improving. You have a unique combination of high, IQ and warmth that makes you an effective presenter.
Lali, You are the best. Perfect way to motivate other riders to be better is to encourage each other to push SAFELY to the edge. The only way to do that is learn from people that know more about it than you do. These courses do just that. Keep the rubber on the road.
Great tips Lali! As a Dutchy, I can attest to looking at where you want to go is the way you go whilst riding a motorcycle. In The Netherlands for those who don't know, you have to do 3 exams for obtaining your motorcycle license. It's a separate license here same as car, scooter, truck, bus, trailer and tractor.
The motorcycle license are tiered in A1, A2 and A. A1 being up to 11 kw of power and max cc of 125.
A2 which is 35 kw of power and A being full so you're allowed to ride any bike you want if you pass for A license. Also it'll grant u A1 and A2 automatically as well without doing separate exams for those since you already got the highest complete. Which is the one I did, so that means 3 exams for me at least if you pass everything first try.
Theory is one of em, then you need to pass vehicle control, so riding mastery and the other is road exam, so participating in traffic whilst being watched, and given directions where to go.
On mastery you'll learn walking and parking with the bike (while your off of it), learn to accelerate, break, clutch and turn, learn to look where to go and lean and steer accordingly, emergency, normal and precision stop, evading maneuvers, figure 8 and u turns and slaloms. On RUclips there are videos named AVB which shows you what the exercises are. So a lot of them in common on what you just talked about Lali. Even though you can teach these to yourself as well especially over there in America I think it's a real good way of getting you to be a better rider and have experienced eyes teaching you to do so. I aspire to be a better rider as well. Also for off road at some point. So gor me it's a matter of keep riding and repeating the drills i've been taught as well.
Target fixation or not looking up ahead enough is some stuff I catch myself on doing sometimes still while riding, lol. 😆 It'll wear of the more I ride so i'm going the good way with that lol. 🏍
I've been reading the comments with astonishment lol. It all seems very different to Europe.
They seem to just buy a bike and do an equivalent CBT when and if they feel like it 😂
Hahaha yeah US is less strict about it, it seems. Since I think the course isn't even mandatory. Correct me if I'm wrong though. I think here in The Netherlands it may be a little to excessive but I also feel like it isn't really, lol.
@@KeViNMCMXXCIX I think the majority of Europe has the same test procedure. I did mine 3 years ago in the UK and it was a long, expensive journey. I expect/hope it produces better riders though. Better than those spending 5 minutes in a carpark anyway.
A great example of the vision thing is riding up any ramp on a bike or bicycle. If you look down at your tire and the ground right in front of it you’re screwed. If you look ahead and trust your have to guide the bike where your eyes tell it to based on your progress, you’ll soar up the ramp no problem. I do this exercise on loading ramps from my driveway to my front porch
I can’t wait for summer to come back so I can take more motorcycle courses with my Bonnie!
Thank you for making this video. As an instructor, it pains me to hear how many riders out there feel like after a few years of riding, they're too experienced to gain anything from further training. The other common misconception I hear a lot is that training is too expensive, and I agree that it's not cheap, however $300 spent on a training class will go a lot father than $300 worth of fancy mirrors or trick pegs or levers. Riders will drop $1,000 on an exhaust without batting an eye, but scoff at spending $600 on a 2-day, on track training event for street riders, it bottles my mind (yes yes, I know, boggles....hope some people got the reference.) Anyways, thanks for getting the word out there about training and encouraging riders to never stop learning.
Don't be fearless, be BRAVE.
Fear keeps you on your toes and without it you would loose the most basic of instincts, that would leave you without the need to live. To be afraid keeps you hungry for life. So be fearful and use it to your advantage, and be BRAVE! Be brave enough to stand, to fight, to LOVE, to win,... to loose, to hurt, to be different. To hell with "No-fear", be amazing, be out there, and most of all... be the very best YOU!
Great video! Back in prehistoric times I bought a then high performance motorcycle. Yeah it accelerated plenty fast, but it had twin disc front brake which was rare back then. I found it just as fun to try to stop as fast as I could from 70 mph. I would do it a lot not to practice but because it was fun. I believe doing that saved my bacon several times since. Any new to me bike one of the first things I do is several hard braking stops.
I took the intermediate course after riding for 22 years, I thought I would not learn anything, was I ever wrong. Looking where you need to go in a turn or an emergency stop was a major epiphany that recently saved me when a car pulled in front of me and stopped. I braked hard and steered to behind the car. It was close.
When you get up to speed and hit the front brake hard and cause the rear tire to come up it's called a Stopie. I've taken Basic rider 1 and 2 and the Prorider course in York when it was around and all have made me better. I also learned the Smith System as a professional driver and I've applied it to my riding as well.
Were have u been 8n my lurning process the last two or three months I have watched videos from noob Dan Dan few others and they never really answered a lot of the questions and new people have or at least not in a way that a noob would understand and you did hands down you are incredibly awesome
I absolutely recommend the ART class. I had to pay $300 here in Utah, but the instructors were AWESOME and definitely worth every penny!
Thank you for this clear and honest review and advice to take courses, I live in the Netherlands and we have some pretty good courses as well, and most of them (if not all of them) can save your live and for sure it will give you more pleasure riding your motor. And yes its intimidating to leurn hard braking from 120 k/h till your rear wheel feels like lifting, but wow you are stopping way faster that way. And indeed you can do more with your bike then I was thinking before i starded this courses, great video thank you,
Awesome video. I have taken many advance classes but never this one. Love this kind of content. You have a new Subscriber. Thanks I’ll be following.
I did IRS 2 months after I started riding. That was a stretch and was quite out of the comfort zone. I agree with all 5 points.
That turn sequence on Suzuki at 1:48 is a good illustration of my mistake the IRS coach highlighted when I made too many unnecessary adjustments in turns.
You are so ready to ride track days, please ride your local track. It’s life changing! I went through all that, but the fear hasn’t left me yet 🤔
Great review of the course and your response! Every rider needs to hear this, regardless of how long you’ve been riding or what you ride. Even better, all riders should take this course occasionally. Thanks and ride safe Lali! ✌🏻👌🏻🇺🇸👍🏻
I’m a 58 yr old new rider and I wear 3 level progressive lenses, so definitely checking out the glasses! This video was full of useful info and very well done. Thank you!
Very good stuff. I’m getting some Flying Eyes glasses one of these days too
Lali, you are the best! I can't help smiling along with your gorgeous beaming. Great video too.
Great tips, wish such things had been around in the distant past when I started riding but it's never too late to learn! Finally did a 2-day CA Superbike School a couple of years ago, not cheap but worth every penny (VIR is a blast, and it's hard to beat an S1000RR to ride while doing it). Don't know if they have these courses in MD, need to look into that, but PA isn't far away (I was just up there last week).
I miss regular videos from you. I hope you are doing fantastic with your studies. Some solid nuggets of information here. I'm going to have to try to work out my brakes a bit more the next time I'm out. Take care!
More to come!
@@AntiParallali awesome! Can't wait!
Thank you very much. I need to take one of those courses again. Myself in my older age now, I don't have the confidence I had a few years back anymore.
This is awesome! I was thinking about taking a course to improve my riding skills, but now i'm 100% motivated. Thanks Lali :3
Go for it!
I recommend trying the ProRider courses as well, lots of fun. I'm taking them this weekend. Yesterday I was doing stoppies all through the emergency braking exercises, and the 20' 360 is challenging.
Thanks Lali!! You just convinced me to do the Intermediate course…although I might wait till fall as August down south is a bit brutal.
I have always set my bike up before hitting the brakes my KZ 1000 A1. brakes surprised me at 80 mph to a complete stop where I had to pull up behind the dumb woman trying to go the wrong way down a one way 😮
in two weeks ill take msf course i cant wait
For riders outside of the US: In springtime ive seen policestations offer riding courses for free aka donation only. Took one in austria a few years ago and really learned a lot. Handling at crawl speed, emergency braking from 60mph, avoiding a sudden problem while aready cornering and a whole lot of other things. Never knew that especially the police would offer such a thing for free if not mentioned by a buddy of mine.
Yes, it's common in Hungary too.
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So true ... Look where you want to go and breaking hard is so importsnt to lesrn. Lali so gets it!!!
I really don't use my brakes much on the Street on my Yamaha FZ-07 as it has very strong engine braking.
I got my brakes hot for sure riding Tail of the Dragon hard..
I also have a Buell Ulysess which will stop hard with 1 finger on the front brake lever.
You can get a lot of practice on Tail of the Drago all the curves are 2nd and 3rd gear on an MT-07 .. I was keeping up with Dudes in Leather race suits and knee pucks on Ducati's on my Yamaha..
I recognize my colleagues Brian and Barclay from this video, they are top notch Instructors!
Their banter was great haha
Repeating the beginners courses also has value. Most people miss more than half the information and skills in the classes the first time they take it. A lot of the things in the advanced courses are introduced in the beginners courses. The available of beginners courses is greater. The cost of beginners courses is less. And beginners courses make us much more ready to take an advanced course.
Note that several variations of the looking through the turn exercise Lali taked about in the intermediate and advanced course are in the beginners courses. Do you remember them?
I can only echo what you said. I had been riding for 28 years and took the advanced riders course, thinking they weren't going to teach me anything. I was so wrong. It was the best course (PA) I ever took!! Like you, I was only woman taking the course :) It was really hot that day and a lot of people people copped out. Those people probably don't ride anymore...
Training is awesome. Fun and skill building.
I liked this video...thanks for the information...I don't know if you remember me but you inspired me to get my bike license in 2020...I then bought a z650 which I put 16000 km's on...update...lol...I just bought a gsx s1000...way more power but I'm very careful while getting used to the bike...stay safe...looking forward to your next video.
Hey Lali,
Female rider and BRC instructor here. I appreciate your videos and would love to ride together some time. Just wanted to help your fans, PA is the only state that pays for it's riders to take classes. In all other states riders have to pay for themselves.
Thank you for that info!
It is very important to keep practicing and learning more skills or at least try to improve you. Lali and all the other RUclipsrs promoting safety, learning and good way of taking care and being safe in general when riding is doing a very important role model info that reaches a lot of people.
Let’s all try to at least think about safety and not saving seconds to loose a lifetime♥️
Thanks Lali for reminding us and showing us the good and positive sides of learning good skills🙏🏻♥️
I practiced everything on my own before ever going on the street im starting on a 2005 gsxr 600 though so not much margin for error while pushing the bike, I do try not to push it too hard though cus i only got a helmet and gloves.
Fantastic video Lali 🌶️🏍️
Thank you 😁
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I just got my flying eyes about a month ago. I'm ABSOLUTELY LOVING THEM! I used your code. Thank you 😎
Great to hear!
No, they're for seeing.
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Hello Vampire lady (Just kidding). I have just started riding a motorcycle for the first time and unfortunately i got involved in an accident on my city. Im okay and everyone its okay however, after analizing the experience my conclusion its that the reason was lack of patience from me and lack of training. This video helped me a lot realizing a need to get better and gave me confidence about not giving up. Thank you so much for sharing your experience and knowledge.
Definitely will be taking more courses and always eager to learn. Thanks for posting this.
You learn your best just a little bit past your comfort zone.
My extreme example is (way past comfort zone), you only have to hit your thumb with a hammer once to learn how to make sure it never happens again 😭
And (for newbies), depending on where your riding I highly suggest not riding anywhere near 90% on the street (without first checking the surfaces at < 50%) because all it takes to have a bad day at 90% is a little bit of dirt, gravel, oil or coolant. I went down at low speed one time (rear end did a 180+ deg. slide around) the last day I owned one of my bikes (was already sold). I was leaning pretty far over but I wasn't going any faster than I normally did around this particular turn (there was no oil on this turn the day before)...
I’m more of a ball to the wall type of guy 😂. I like to save a little for other things.
hello i only recently found your channel but i thoroughly enjoy your content its jam packed with information laid out in very easy to digest segments all around i think your video formatting is great on top of the fact i found flying eyes through your channel theyre perfect for someone as clumsy as me since im pretty rough on my glasses and them being so durable and comfortable on and off the bike is definitely a life saver.
I'm also not the most careful with my glasses so I appreciate the bendy side frames. Thanks for stopping by, I'm planning on being way more active on the channel with the videos very soon
I took a course some years ago,cost quite a bit,but I really wanted to learn. Unfortunately, 1 guy who's had his license for years, and I don't really know why he took the class and had a cvo harley, Was screwing around the entire time ,the instructors called him Johnny rocket because he would do everything fast,run into the back of the rider in front of him,wheelies ,hard braking skids on every excercise,making fun of each rider ,just a total idiot,the instructors just laughed it off telling him to stop the behavior,bad experience all around
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Your videos are so cool ! I just got my motorcycle driving license, can't wait to be part of the motorcycle riders community !
Welcome to the coolest community ever! 😎
Great video Lali! You did a fantastic job explaining about these very important facts about riding a motorcycle. Thank you!
Video is fabulous, and missed your vids
Yeah, very good Information 😊
Nice to see you back
great video lali! ! more people need to see this video!
Gosh that Instructor in the straw hat and whitish shirt looks a lot like King Kenny Roberts..
I think l'm going to get some of those flying eyes and snap on sunnies. Gr8 vid Lali👍🍻
Free wow, I wonder if they have-em in Cali...
❤ I love it so much! Thank you!
I need new glasses really badly, but its a 2 year plus wait to get into an optometrist.... thanks Canada. I'm really interested in Flying eyes, the check all the boxes for what I need in glasses. Only thing that's holding me back is their lack of styles for men, or everyone in general. But might just have to look uglier then I already am to have decent glasses.
Oh jeez! 2 years?! I'd look into online eye exams, supposedly they are just as accurate as in person exams.
@@AntiParallali interesting, never heard of that. Thanks 👍
I've been riding for 2 years and while I practice different skills a lot, one thing I regret not doing is taking the MSF beginner and intermediate courses. they're only offered every few months and they're always 1.5-3 hours away from me here in Louisiana. My wife thinks she wants to upgrade from backpack to rider, so i'm hoping the beginner course is something we can do together in the coming months. There's also an ADV course offered in Texas that's about a 4 hour drive that I really want to take as well.
I say do it, the ones I took were about 1.5 hrs of riding to get there but it was worth it
So what is the learning, training and test procedure in the US then?
All seems very different
@@101steel4 I just had to ride around a parking lot and got the M endorsement to ride anything. It should be different but we can't even agree on helmets requirements here
@@ar1stippus739 wow that definitely is different. You need a days course (CBT) just to ride a 125cc on L plates in Europe lol
Then a staggered 3 part test, including a theory, and two practical tests. One in a test centre doing different manoeuvres and emergency stops, and one out on the road followed by an instructor connected via radio.
Then if you pass all that you have a full bike licence. oh and only if you're over 24. Under 24 you are restricted to what cc you can ride.
Plus everyone has to wear a helmet. 😬
@@101steel4 You don't even need to take the courses. A friend can teach you and you can show up to the department of motor vehicles in your state, take the riding test and if you pass...that's it. But you can also do it through the courses where you first get professional instruction for one or two days and then they administer the test. It's not nearly enough but better than nothing. Smart riders will take the initiative afterwards to practice some more.
always great to watch your videos .keep up the great work ....I hope one day my videos will be as good as yours ...cheers
I did not find RX lenses as an option for the Ninox glasses..??
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Awesome video!
Great vid!
Yes, yes, yes and yes... Oh and yes... Good one Lali.
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Any advice for a petite woman who struggled with maneuvering the large cruisers MSF courses use? I felt like I could barely duckwalk the turns (the 100+ heat in DE yesterday didn’t help.) and struggled with letting out the clutch (small hands). Two of the instructors were great, but one wanted me gone almost immediately bc of my struggle with duckwalking the turns. I had been counciled out bc of heat exhaustion, but I’m going back in Nov and know I can do it, just feeling a bit shot in my confidence.
I am sorry to hear about your experience with the impatient instructor. I have witnessed instructors that seem to think that students can suddenly grow bigger muscles to turn the motorcycle around. The key point of the exercise is clutch control and use of the friction zone. The ability to turn the motorcycle around is a very minor thing in that exercise. Experienced riders almost always use the motorcycle engine power to turn around. That isn't done in that exercise because riders are still developing that skill. It would be hazardous to have them use the motorcycle's own power. What I am saying is that the one instructor should have been more focused on your clutch using, clutch/ throttle coordination, your eyes being up and smooth brake applications. He should have been less focused on you have troubles turning the motorcycle around. He should have been more patient.
As you experienced heat can be a major problem. So can cold. It is always hotter or colder in a motorcycle course than what seems likely. Be more prepared that you expect that you will need to be. Motorcycle riding in the fall is much colder than winter skiing. I suspect that the heat was effecting you sooner than you realize.
Some states and schools offer some form of a pre- beginners courses. Usually these are the first few exercises at a much slower pace. Getting to do things more times. This means more time to get comfortable. There is also usually time for much more personally focused instruction. If available considering taking one of these classes. Taking one of these class can have more value than just repeating the beginners class due to the more personal focus. (Note, you will still need to take the beginners class to get your motorcycle license or endorsement.)
Make sure that you are totally prepared and running early for your classes. This way you get first dibs for the smallest motorcycle.
Most beginners motorcycle classes have a prerequisite of being able to ride bicycle. Unfortunately they really don't define what this means. Too many bicycle riders start moving by giving their bicycle a big push by one foot against the ground. This isn't good bicycle riding and it wouldn't work on a motorcycle. A bicycle rider should always start out with the peddles positioned to be able to start out by pushing down on a peddle without pushing off the ground. The bicycle peddles should be horizontal not vertical. This is using the peddles to start out much like a motorcyclist uses the motorcycle engine to get moving. "Power walking" is for balancing the motorcycle not pushing the motorcycle. Get on a bicycle and confirm that you are starting from a stop with a power stroke of the peddles. If you are not, practice doing this until it becomes very natural. This will help get you into a better mind set for using the fiction zone on the motorcycle clutch.
You sound totally committed to getting into riding. If true, buying or borrowing a motorcycle to getting comfortable with the basics is an option. Some states and motorcycle school may even permit you to use your own motorcycle in the beginners class if it meets certain requirements. If you find a motorcycle that fits you well you may want to ask the school if you can use it in the beginners class.
Consider doing some motorcycle dealership window shopping if you haven't already. Take a friend with you to spot you when you are holding up motorcycles. Sit on motorcycles see how it feels to hold them up. Feel the difference position of handle bars, foot pegs, and controls. Just don't get attached to the idea of any particular motorcycle model or even brand.
Many text books for beginner riders say that you should be able to put both feet flat on the ground. Keep in mind this is a recommendation to make learning easier. It is not a requirement. Not being able to just makes learning harder and take more time. Don't be frustrated by not having a motorcycle that you can flat foot. Many experienced riders cannot flat foot their motorcycles.
If a friend teaches you how to ride still take the beginners class. Most friends think that once you can start out, stop and shift gears you are ready to go. Your not ready at that point. Most beginner classes you are expected to be able to do those things by two hours after you first start the motorcycle. That is at about a quarter of the way through the riding part of the beginners class. And honestly the pace of new information and experiences picks up at that point.
Learning to ride motorcycle isn't as easy as many people make it sound. If you really want to do it commit to it. Don't let people including instructors discourage you. You many need to take the class several times. Just plan on this in advance. If you complete the class and pass the license test sooner that planned enjoy and celebrate. If you get counciled out again ask permission to attend the rest of the classroom and to observe the rest of the range exercises. Listen to the range exercise instructions. Many people learn a lot by observing others learning. I have heard beginners say it was only after they were counciled out and were watching others that they understood what they really needed to do. We are not good judges of what we are actually doing.
Most important is to do your best to enjoy the learning experience.
I have a video with tips for short riders! ruclips.net/video/VyHbprCPLvk/видео.html
sadly my city doesn't have it :(
Lali is a vampire. Confirmed!!!
It's mandatory for all Romanians 😂
What are their methods for dealing with loose gravel on turns?
Too bad they don't have this course in Oklahoma 😢, but thanks for the video
I just did a Google search. It looks like Oklahoma uses the MSF curriculum. The Basic Rides Course 2 is MSF's intermediate rider courses. It is offered in Oklahoma per the Google search results. The courses has gone by different names over the years. The reason that MSF includes "Basic" in the course name is that it is intended to also being used for experienced/ returning motorcyclist to use to get their motorcycle license/ endorsement. Some states have laws that require that only "Basic" or "Beginners" courses be used for getting a motorcycle license/ endorsement. Hence the name.
MSF also has the Advanced Riders Course. This course is somewhat based on the Military Sportbike Course developed jointly by the USA military branches and MSF about 15 years ago to reduce the number of fatalities of servicemen on motorcycles during leave. (At that time we were losing about as many servicemen to motorcycle and sport car accidents as combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.)
Unfortunately it doesn't seem like the Advanced Riders Course is offered through the Oklahoma motorcycle safety program. It is possible that the Basic Rides Course 2 is only offered by Oklahoma because the word "Basic" is included in the name. You may want to take Basic Rides Course 2 and realize that the course is more that the name implies. There may even be a substitute like in Pennsylvania that covers part of the cost just because of the name. There was nothing in Lali's video that suggested to me that the Total Control intermediate course was more advanced than the MSF Basic Rides Course 2.
Lee Park's originally Total Control curriculum was mostly targeted at racers and high performance riders. About ten years ago Lee Parks expanded the curriculum. The body position drill/ exercise/ demo was part of the original curriculum. So I am thinking that the Advanced Course has a lot of similarities to his originally curriculum. Considering this the Advanced Total Control class may be better for those more focused on performance. The MSF Advanced Riders Course may be better for experienced riders focused more on safety.
(MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation) curriculums, Lee Parks Total Control curriculums and Team Oregon curriculums are the commonly used curriculum in the USA. Usually the Team Oregon curriculum is given a different name based on the state it is being offered in.)
(I think it was nearly 10 years ago that Pennsylvania switched from MSF to Lee Parks' Total Control.)
You can attend out of state courses! Here for example a NY resident can come to PA and take it, they just have to pay bc they are out of state but otherwise nobody is stopping ya
Lali... pls come back 2 me 🥺
Hold up, Emergency Breaking is a lesson for "Intermediate" riding?? That's part of the fundamental course we have to pass in order to get our motorcycle license in my country😮
They teach it in the basic riding course too, but you go through more exercises in the intermediate one
Excellent video as always.
Lol it keeps making me feel bad that im closing in on somewhere between 15 and 20 years in the saddle and stull agevnt taken a course. Ill find the time eventually. I promise.
I know in my last crash, my ability for evasive maneuvers and panic braking where what provided the edge between a rough tumble down the highway and jumping through the back window of a car that was aggressive twords bikers.
But as im growing kicking and screaming into an old salt, i will remind you, training is the key to victory no matter what. But without practice, training is wasted. So im going to charge everyone that reads this with a task. get some dollar store sports cones, and find someplace thats willing to let you practice your training biw and then so you dont need to try your stoppie on the streets right after the street sweeper spreads gravel fines all over the road.
We should be teaching kids these ideas when they ride their bicycles. As you know, our bike, bicycle, or car will hit exactly what we are focused on. The sooner we learn this. I have a friend who is paralyzed from a mountain bike crash. Easily avoided if he understood target fixation, but it's too late, now.
Ride at your comfort speed and never let your ego take over
I have definitely found my bikes breaking limit. Maybe I should have gotten something with abs. But she is so stable even sliding =D (Cruisers don't "Stoppie", if anyone reading this is confused) =)
Abs is deadly on a motorcycle
Locking up the brakes doesn't necessarily means that you found the braking limits. It could also mean poor technique. I have seen the same motorcycle do both a front wheel skid and a brakey due to variations in technique. During at least one point of the brakey the rider had a greater rate of deceleration. Ideally there should be no skidding and the rear tire should be light but on the ground. Once the rear wheel gets height the use of the front brake needs to be reduced to keep from going over.
Like you said brakeies rarely happen with cruiser style motorcycles. But the technique is basically the same with a little less bias towards use of the front brake.
I am assuming that you had a front brake lock up. If it was a rear brake lockup and skid there is a possibility that you were nowhere near the limits.
Don't grab the front brake, progressively squeeze harder quickly. Grabbing the front brake i.e. slamming or hitting the brakes will eventually get you a low side. We need to load the tire and gain grip before getting maximum brake pressure.
@@erniecolussy1705 sounds like good info. I feel like the more the back tire leaves the ground the less it can assist in stopping though. 👍
@@moosecapades1722 yup, but I had to stop before hitting the car in front with no escape route. people drive fairly aggressively here (NYC)
Well guess I’m traveling to Pennsylvania. Guess I will stock up on Amish made goods while I’m there.
I guess my question is I just bought my bike and I did take the basic course but it's been years and since I bought my bike this is the first time owning a motorcycle or riding a bike on the street. Should I go back to the main course or go to intermediate
Shouldn't a lot of this already be incorporated in training before you take your test?
I know there's advanced training courses available after you get a full licence, but this did seem pretty basic tbh.
Would you recommend buying a motorcycle before or after taking your fundamental course?
Fantastic video girl, knowledge is power.. you are gorgeous,,just saying
You can only ride at 100% or as racers will say 10-Tenths
yeah I wouldn't advise most people to explore 90% of their bike's capabilities on the street...
Hi laly hi from Israel
Just an FYI your flying eyes link results in a 404 not found error....
maybe they taught you this in the class, but you didn't make it clear in your explanation... you should not actually be doing stoppies (the opposite of a wheelie) in real world riding. that is not the maximum braking potential of your bike. the maximum stopping power is just before a stoppie, so that your rear brake can also be useful. so yes, it's good to learn to do stoppies because then you'll understand where that point is, and know that you need to be just shy of it.
also, for people on cruisers, you probably can't even do a stoppie. on most cruisers, the front wheel will slip before you reach that point. of course there are probably exceptions, but just as a rule of thumb, don't try it on cruisers. it's not what they're for. if you want that life, get... pretty much anything else. (i will always recommend a naked bike. they're so perfect.)