the funny thing is that difference in price is non existent in my country. The companies that sell them in my country already "Adjusted" the prices based on real value.
And the pump will die. When it does, you are in to spend the same amount of money, again. But when a fan dies on an air cooler, it cost 10 bucks to replace.
Here I heard it here 😂 that's legit the best strategy from personal experience working at retail it would 100%work we always look at stickers and serials so if it matches it's getting RMA @@Jackikins
I just built my first ever PC and went with an aio. Decided on an Arctic lll since from everything I saw Arctic is one of the best while costing way less. So far I'm very happy with it. If it does fail earlier than is reasonable I'll go with air instead. But I hope and expect the aio to last many years.
You can get really competitive AIOs nowadays in price. Arctic at least here in the UK are god tier for that stuff. Also never had an issue with pump noise ever. I will say they are more reliable but I have also never had an issue with using one for literally 5+ years. I have literally never had one fail. I know an air cooler can last wayyyyy longer though so that is a huge W for a lot of people who want to save some on their new build they do, allowing an extra bit of cash towards the CPU or GPU.
@@lilpain1997I agree with you. I bought Corsair t170i I didn't remember the name. I bought it a year ago just for 170 euro, it has 5 years warranty. I use it to cool 13700k and I'm totally happy with AIO. My CPU doesn't goes above 70-75 degrees Celsius. Also big advantage is that you can put radiator where you want instead of putting heavy air cooler on motherboard and have risk that it will bend motherboard overtime. In my opinion paying a little bit more for AIO is win win.
I think arctic liquid freezer III 360mm aio is one of if not the best cooler for amd processors (performance is worse on intel), and is sub £70. Worth it imo.
@lilpain1997 I just built my first ever PC and went with an Arctic lll 360mm AIO. I was heavily debating going with air or aio cooling. I think either would be fine. Cooling a 7800x3d. But from everything I saw, Arctic got special shout-outs as one of the best AIOs as well as being way cheaper than equal alternatives. So ultimately I went with it. Very happy. I'm new to PC so don't have a lot of experience. But the CPU currently never goes above 57C in games. I assume that's a good temp 😂. It's also basically dead silent compared to the case fans. Not sure if I want or need to adjust the fan or pump curve, or what better settings would be. But as is right now I'm glad I went with this AIO and didnt overspend on a different brand. Looks very clean.
Yeah, I have a cheap laptop I was worried wouldn't be able to play AAA games. I dunno, it probably isn't, I haven't played a AAA game on it for months and I can't say I miss them.
Gets a new pc - plays game - bored - plays lateset AAA game - Slightly low frame - sad - looks for upgrade - new GPUs over $700 - P A N I C - Saves money - more processors - put more things in the cart - Builds another PC than upgrading the last one - broke.
Companies like Corsair, Arctic, Lian Li etc. pay a lot of money to sponsor influencers so they show off their products in every video and people think they're living in a cave when they don't build a PC like this.
I've spent $75 on CPU coolers in the past decade. It's not about fun, it's about practicality. And fucking with a faulty AIO isn't "fun". I'll take that time and money saved and reinvest it into games.
I made the mistake of getting a corsair H100i v2 at one point. The v1 was a solid product, but the v2 didn't use enough anti corrosive in its mixture and many would end up with a failure due to corrosion. Mine included in that batch. I later saw a post by a dude using his computer for work going through about 5 of them. All of then having the same failure. I just switched back to air and never thought more about it after that.
@@HanSolo__ Yeah, air coolers in general are pretty frickin quiet now. The standout quiet boy performer for a while was the Hyper 212 Evo, but now there's at least six or seven fans out at market that are just as quiet or more quiet that still keep the CPU chilly, you've gotta be doing some real wild stuff to need AIO for anything other than aesthetics, and of course no shade to those who use them for build look reasons. But certainly if you're just looking for performance and value, you should steer very clear from that and just get a tower air cooler
@@ArtisChroniclesthe thermal right peerless assassin 120 SE ... Spent $30 on it. Sure my CPU is just an i7, but it's 14th gen, and even when running at 5.6 mhZ, the temps never even worry me. I rarely ever hear the sound of my fans, and my case is running 11 of them (if we count the 3 on the graphics card). Maybe I got lucky with incredibly good airflow, maybe it's Maybelline. Or maybe, AIOs just aren't needed, lol
My GPU is white, my RAM kit is blue, my SSD and HDD are silver, my mobo is black with yellow stripes, no RGB. All in a windowless case. As long as it performs well, I honestly don't care about the looks.
I replaced my side panel with this server fan panel with 4 massive fans. Hooked up the fans to am adjustable voltage transformer to a very low setting and get massive airflow. I always turn off the power strip to my PC anyway so it's perfect and my 6950 XT went from 80 degrees to 65 degrees just replacing the side panel with the 4 fans panel. It's janky but I literally have zero desire to get any sort of proper setup. Even the $50 for a decent case can be added to the savings for my next CPU upgrade. No frills and all performance.
same, i recently built my first ever pc and i didn't bother looking at how parts looked, whether they had rgb or not. it still somehow came out looking good and stylish tho xd
also, the money saved while getting similar performance (at least at 1440p, like with the 2 builds here) can be used for a better mouse, better keyboard, better audio (both speakers and headphones/IEMs) and of course a way better monitor (or multiple monitors) than someone originally would have gotten if they had used that money for the tower. $400 is A LOT for a setup if used outside the PC.
Yeah. I made a whole desktop 🖥️ set up for 1500 dollars on newegg (to match a price range 😅). Also I didn't by that because I didn't have 1500$ to spend
I think people spend way too much on peripherals that don't offer any real advantage. There's virtually no meaningful performance difference between £14 60% mechanical keyboard and a £100 name brand one. Similar with mouse - Rapoo VT9Pro for £24 will perform as well as any Logitech money can buy. Most gaming headsets people buy have garbage audio quality and/or atrocious microphone but then Beyerdynamic MMX100 exists at £50 and blows them out of the water. Most "gaming" accessories are a complete ripoff garbage with HUGE markup. IMHO all that money should go towards a decent monitor, which is the aspect most people neglect.
I actually don't mind sponsor spots. Sometimes i actually hear about something I'm legitimately interested in. Usually I just tune it out until it's over 😊
@@ArtisChroniclesI skip instantly for the sponsors that I see so often. I don't need to hear about Brilliant or Raid Shadow Legends for the 400th time, I would skip.
I've never built a PC before, but I plan to by the end of the year, and I recently found your channel, and it's been giving me great info. Thank you. I'm not in this for looks, I'm in it to spend a lot, and get even more. I don't plan to buy another PC for at least 6 years afterwards, if not longer.
i use water cooling because of it's small form and ease of install on mothearboard, instead of installing huge air cooler radiator. that's about it. that's real tangible pro of water cooling. also keep in mind that having radiator inside flows all that hot air inside the pc and then exhausts it via airflow, whereas water cooling flows all that hit outside right away, so even on ryzen 5 my gpu runs 5c cooler and my rams are cooler aswell, because that extra part heat isn't exhausted inside. it becomes even more important if u have heavily flawed gpu like 3090 which has extremely hot memory and that 5c temp drop becomes 10c temp drop.
Majority of user installed AIO will be front mounted with fans blowing the hot air inside the case that will need just as many case fans required to expel the heat accumulated. So what really matters is case flow dynamics. Otherwise best scenario is having the radiator external and preferably in another room or outside...
@@UncannySense i haven't seen anyone around me installing AIO radiators in front. it dooesn't makes sense. unless one has absolutely zero understanding of airflow or no ability to use google (at which point i doubt they'll be able to install AIO anywhere for that matter) - noone would install it in the front.
Jeez, where were you where people were saying shit like that? I honestly can't even imagine sleeping on the value of these air coolers. I think a lot of kids today just don't understand how unprecedented they were. AIOs were actually great for a while, but that was back when you had to buy Noctua to get good air performance, which was in a similar price range. Ever since Thermalright decided they wanted to undercut the market it's been a no-brainer for any budget conscious gamer. If you *really* want watercooling just because it's cool, then you should spend the fortune it takes to actually do it yourself. Otherwise air is a no-brainer and that's before you even start talking about longevity.
you are right, PCIE3 NVMEs are good enough. You dont need PCIE4. but what you want are probably TLC cells instead of QVC. Also you probably want an NVME with DRAM cache. For this reason you should have chosen the Teamgroup M34 over the MP33. While both are PCIE3 (which is totally enough), only the MP34 has a DRAM cache
i dont get AIO cooling for the better temps but to keep the temps out of my case. I also like the tubes in my case and the added extra rgb fans. that is worth the price for me.
Agree with this - I've ran some pretty powerful GPUs (Vega 64/2080Ti/4080 Super) - all over 300W and some approaching 350W and I'd like to not have the heat dumped from them onto a CPU heatsink.
Fun fact, i play at 4k 144hz on a 7900xtx and my CPU is a 7600 non X. Yes, because i will never need a better CPU to play at 4k, i will never be able to get 250fps. With a gigachad air cooler that runs at low speed the CPU never reach 60c. The only place i overspent is the GPU, to be able to also run its fans at low speed and have a super quiet system at full load.
Thank you so much for this video. You have no idea how many setups I see with useless stuff that bumps up the price for absolutely no reason. People can spend those money on things that really matter like a stronger gpu/a better monitor but no.
and what to do to people who already got RTX 4080 which is literally enough for all currently but they got some spare money. Why everyone check each other's wallet I dont get it
I have EXACTLY 2 reasons for using an AIO. It looks nicer and when i build a PC for fun and sell it, it's less likely to be damaged while moving it around with an AIO rather than a tower cooler.
I have the Peerless Assassin ARGB. It was $42 Canadian, looks great, runs cool and quiet. Used Arctic MX-6 instead of stock paste. Buy a good air cooler, put the money you save towards a better graphics card. That will make your system run better for the same overall price.
never in my life have I ever learnt so much from a singular youtube video. Thank you so much for educating me on something i had no idea about but was just soo obvious. you truly are underrated vex. been a sub since 40k i think. i usually dont comment but i mean yah
I just recently went from a 280mm aio to a Noctua air cooler. It's significantly quieter because of that pump and cools basically the same. I work from home and use the computer for roughly 10-13 hours a day. The noise reduction was worth the trade.
The same argument could be had for saving the money today to hold for a future CPU purchase in a few years. You pay more today for performance than you will in the future plus you don't need that performance today. The longevity argument is not a great one.
I've considered going back to an aio several times but what pulls me away is aio pumps go bad. It's guaranteed. But air coolers, the only thing that could go bad are the fans which are cheap replacements in comparison. Unless you're overclocking, you don't need those extra few degrees. Peerless Assassin all day long here and I have yet to hit high 70s.
I've had a fairly cheap Coolermaster ML240L running in my PC for six years now with the pump maxed - I do think it helps running pumps at a fixed RPM for the lifespan. Prefer to have AIOs which has more thermal capacitance and so you don't need to have the fans ramping so aggressively as you would with an air cooler , which gets saturated quickly.
I still have the Noctua NH-U12P cooler I bought back in 2008 (!) - I just slapped a new Noctua fan on it replacing the old one and got the mounting kit for LGA 1200 for free from Noctua. it's cooling my 11700 without breaking sweat :).
Same. I'm on my second cpu with the same Noctua and have never had a temp issue. No reason to get water coolers unless you absolutely cannot fit one but can fit a water cooler, or if you just want one for aesthetics.
This sounded deep yo, like actually like a movie, The build up explaining the terrible situation then quoting :"This is how you escape the Republic !!!"
@@Playingwith3Dyou don't need all the parts. I have my aio fastened with random brackets that didn't come with it. Lol CPU runs 40c while gaming and overclocked so it's doing it's job.
@@christophermullins7163 That is the performance I remember from it. I used it on the FX8320 space heater at the time and it would keep it at around 32c all times. I have a 5800x with an AIO and its always running between 60-70c
I actually prefer the air cooler sound over that liquid cooler sound. That pump needs to be turned down a smidge. I hope they give better control over pump speed if they haven't provided it already.
Watching your videos helps me enjoy the house chores while doing it. Not gonna lie, I’m doing dishes while watching this video and finished exactly when the video ended. 😂 About this video, I was thinking of going for AIO water cooler CPU Fan, but my mid tower is not good for it, and I realized that I don’t need it for I’m only rocking a Ryzen 5 5600G, which is not that powerful for intensive tasks. I’m still using a used RTX 2060S tho, and I’m contented with its performance 😄
Awesome video! I've never understood people who buy chip CPU and GPU with overpriced motherboard and memory. In addition to that they buy expensive watercooling, tons of fans, and a fancy-looking case. I can understand people who don't care about performance and want a good-looking PC or have enough money for anything they want but if you don't have money and you spend everything on appearance it's just ridiculous.
If I win the lottery ima make an entire PC out of pure gold just to flex my build on Reddit. Have it liquid-cooled with $10,000 champagne, giant precious gems for buttons. Shuck yea dawg.
I still love the art of air cooling; you have to plan the airflow, use the smallest case possible to reduce the volume of air your fans move and if you do it right, you can match some AIO temps. Watercooling is still overkill and expensive for most builds but people keep falling for it as the 'ultimate cooling'.
@@GeneralS1mba yeah, decent air coolers aren't cheap either and problem is many cheap ones are trash, that pushes more people towards AIO..also case art; a big brick is less sexy that glowing tubes and led stripes..and ther theres the install-n-forget comfort of that brick...as someone once said "It just works"😁
Air coolers are gigantic now and make it a huge hassle to work around it (meaning ideally you would make it the last thing you install in your build). The problem however is when you want to tweak your build i.e change out the ram you are using, replace fans that just died etc you basically have to remove the air heatsink while with water cooling you can leave the pump in since its around the same size as the cpu socket itself. This is why I am going AIO water cooling for my next upgrade, creates so much more room around the motherboard to get your hands in to do what needs to be done.
Definitely agree with the points. when I first built my am4 build I could have saved on ram and fans by just getting plain colours and not RGB. Yeah, it was nice for a week but now I don't like it and most of time when I do eventually use my pc it's on the window sill with the curtains in front of the glass panel 😂😅 Am definitely jealous of your blacked out pc asthetics
Crazy to me some people spend $300 on a motherboard to drop in an i5 and never overclock or ever use any of the extra features they paid hand over fist for. That and RGB AIOs that have screens on them for mid-range builds. Actual hardware spec over RGB and looks every-time. I prefer FPS gain over staring through my side-panel.
I use my cars old intercooler. Bonus of this is that the old engine oil residue helps reduce friction and wear on the CPU cores and increases multithreading performance.
Good suggestions! I did one water cooling project back when most of the components had to be purchased from pet/home stores. Since then I've never had the desire to do water cooling again even though it's plug-n-play. 😄 It's cool seeing it go mainstream with AIOs, but yeah... their actual uses cases feel much more niche than popularity would suggest.
One reason for the need of better cooling, is when you want get the largest benefits from PBO which allows you to sacrifice efficiency for a small performance boost, especially for the non-X3D parts where PBO can be pushed much harder.
First of all, great video, spent too much on cooling when i was inexperienced and now I recomment air cooling for most of my friends but about the sound, maybe the pumpsound comes from the pump not being at the utmost top spot of the loop. Maybe it only looks like this in the shot but if the pump gets filled with air that often gives annoying sounds as u know :)
A small note for the SSDs, always check the rated endurance of the drive (TBW value) especially with cheap drives to ensure that it won't die within a few years.
I went with an all white build I built last year with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 ram in the phanteks nv7. The pc is a beast and I clean it once a month. I went with air cooling to keep it simple especially when I clean the pc.
@@JustSomeoneRandomProgrammer is this sarcasm? I have 12 fans in my build which is my profile picture. I play at native 2k or native 4k high settings with or without raytracing depending on the game and if I feel like using raytracing. My temps are very good and I deep clean the pc once a month maybe twice a month sometimes.
I have an deepcool AK500 and that thing is great. At max load my 7800x3d hits 80ish degrees. Air cooling is way better imo. Unless you’re doing a custom loop then go with watercooling, but for most it’s just not worth the effort
This is a great video and can't like it enough. PC Building has always been about marketing and it gets worse every year. I generally will build out of the same case for at least 10 years so I get at least 2 builds out of it so I will spend a little more there. Another place you can waste money is fans there are fans out there now that are 30 USD each some even more. I don't want to know how much I've blown on fans over the years (no pun intended) All the little extra's such as lights fan controllers etc. can increase build cost. I've had pretty good luck with AIO's I've got one I'm about to replace just due to its age. I will replace it with something from Thermalright An area where you shouldn't skip is PSU get the best one you can and get one that is warrantied for 10 years.
I'm running a the same 212 air cooler I installed 8 years ago on my daily PC. Put a Noctua Fan on it 4 years into its life. Still going. Cool temps. Meanwhile I can't count how many failed pump AIOs I've seen that conk out a few months after the warranty is over. Until a CPU cannot be cooled by a air cooler I'll be Air Jordan. As a former no-AMD user I'm impressed with the Ryzen line today. GPUs are a hustle today. 1080p with my overpriced EVGA 3060ti keeps me happy.
As someone who’s never built a PC before (tho I am planning on my 1st PC build soon if not NOW) I ain’t afraid to admit those liquid coolers just scream red flags… air cooling ftw 🙏🏼🔥
I got a 7800x3d last week. the reason why i got one is because i mostly play tarkov and i got huge fps gains in that one game. i recomend playing Tarkov or watching videos comparing a non x3d chip to an x3d chip to see what happens when a game is able to take full advantage of the Level 3 cache
my current go to is: get a thermalright peerless assassin or the cheaper 120 single tower depending on your CPU. instantly replace fan with a cheap, silent, reliable arctic fan 120 PWM PST, either RGB or non-RGB
In Germany the arctic liquid freezers 3's are way cheaper then in the US. I got my Arctic Freezer iii 240mm for 60€ and the 360mm one cost only 76€!!! For comparison, I could habe gotten a termalright peerless assasin dual for 35€, or since a few days the new Arctic duo 36. Bit the 240mm Arctic 3 was a really good value for 60€, so I'm happy with my purchase
I'm in the US and just built my first ever PC. I went with the Arctic lll 360 aio since they seem like the absolute best quality and price. Around 80-90 dollars here for the 360. Very good in comparison to the other options. Seems like a similar price. I'm pretty happy with it so far.
Unless you're going for a severe overclock, a hi-quality air cooled solution is almost always a better choice. Beside being generally less costly, conventional heatsinks are wwaayy more durable, require less maintenance, and if something does goes wrong it's more easily visible. If the motor in a AIO liquid solution fails, you won't know until your PCs glitching out.
I'm not spending on a spiffy case, I'm reusing my dad's old Thermaltake Xaser VI. Lotta drive bays for my old unused drives... especially if I get a Startech SAS to SATA card and 3d print some HDD mounts for the 5.25" bays. I'd have probably bought a new one if cases these days would let you have more than 2 3.5" drives. (I mean, there are, but they cost as much as this case did back in the day, and good luck finding them in stock). Only caveat is that I had to get a 5.25" I/O panel to add USB-C and 2 USB 3.0 headers at the front. You guys have no idea how long I had to search on Amazon for such a thing where the Chinese manufacturer actually had a USB-C header cable instead of making the connector route to a regular old USB 3 header. Oh and forget putting that case on a desk. Unless you want to break your back and your friend's lifting it. Best anti-theft PC case: so heavy nobody can steal it before the cops arrive
my whole watercooling loop cost less than a noctua DH-15 and is needed for what horrible things I am doing to my GPU, and you absolutely can tell the difference. because the cpu temp is lower is stays at max boost all the time in games, the GPU is overclocked, overvolted and running beyond its wattage(by double) and the typical gaming temps are between 38 and 46C/50C hotspot overclocked, down from 88C and pegging the hotspot at 110C stock cooler stock clocks. am I the exception in this case? A second hand Lowara D5 EK pump picked up for $20NZD, 380mm double thick rad and 240mm rad $18NZD, automotive 9.5mm hoses $10, brass 1/4" fittings with a 10mm hose barb on them(modified with a dremel), $0.5-1 each on clearance, coolant $1 on clearance(betcause no one wanted XT-1 in the color of hobo piss)
I am the min/max king. I have $800 in my pc. 6950 xt 5600x 16gb 3800 cl18 Nvme and 2tb hdd 850watt evga Gpu cpu motherboard ram are new and everything else came from previous build but i worked those used price value into the $800.
It's been a while for this huge debate. And while there are some scenarios where water is better, AIOs the pumps break first all the time, sometimes they perform worse than a decently priced air cooler and you can't really refill it as far as I'm aware. I came to the conclusion that if you're going water, go full JayZ or just go air. The extra price and hassle of an AIO that will last you at top performance for only 2 years or 3 maybe, is not worth it. Edit: That motherboard VRM section was nuts. Learn a bunch, thanks a lot, great video!
The difference is there ... if you have a 4090 and play @1080p... I have a 7800xt and went with the 7600 yeah maybe i lost a frame or 2 here and there, but I dont htink the 7800x3d is worth it till your on a 7900xtx/4080/4090 and not playing at 4k
Sorry to be the guy but; Both have their merits. Air cooling is more reliable cheaper 90% of time. Is a little more annoying to dust of though in some cases Water cooling is quiter... In general! Not all coolers are equal. RGB and built-in LCD's are a total waste of money. *Sigh*.. the main point is, buy what you need or whatever you want. It's your money. Also prices vary depending on the country. Sometimes they vary Alot. Here in Sweden most stuff costs usually $50-$500 more than what you boys in the US pay for hardware 😂 Also like bruh, there are many variables for what hardware / coolers are needed it would take a while to talk about them. I for example live in Sweden. It's pretty cold here and heating costs are annoying as heck so I go for 100% water cooling because 1. I have a pretty high end Intel system and 2. It helps with heating up my room. I mean I am using my pc alot for either gaming or other pc work so it works out. Also in the summer I hook up an external big radiator that sits in another room (tubes must be switched though) so my pc doesn't put the heat into my room. Sure you could also put the entire system in an adjecent room, you just need a little hole to route the cables through or something. Actually I prefer doing this. I can crank up the fan curve without hearing any sound whatsoever. Not that I need it but it feels nice to let the fans rip (lol). Yes that also works for an air cooled system! Duh. Idk, everyone has their preferences but I also imagine that many people are limited to some choices over others. Edit: the 7800X3D isn't THE best gaming cpu, just to be stingy. It's mostly the best choice. Also depends on what games you actually play and what resolution. RAM fits also in that category. As we all know, it's a balancing act with the CPU + RAM + GPU combination 🤓🤓 Edit 2: AIO's from reputable brands rarely fail. Also funny that LTT put out a video related to water cooling almost at the same time you posted Vex 🤔😂 Edit 3: Did you use Liquid Metal on the heatspreader at 16:43 Vex? Or am my eyes decieving me? 😱 If yes then.. what? Even for testing that would be pointless and risky.. Last Edit: Yes, this video is Not for me. Just wrote my thoughts here, hope you don't mind :)
Quality video. If one really wants to squeeze out even more, there's plenty of room to do so even with the cheap build. - Cheaper case - Non-modular power supply - Slower ram (it does make a difference but the more expensive one sometimes isn't worth it) - Older platform CPU (5900X or 5700X3D) + Motherboard. Would make the ram even cheaper - Use the stock cooler if you don't mind a little bit more noise and/or higher temps
I think the point of the two lists in the video is that they both provide the same performance, and the cheaper one makes no meaningful sacrifices over the more expensive one. Once you start talking about stepping back a CPU generation, picking a non-modular power supply and a cheap case you are making meaningful sacrifices. Yes most people would still be content with that, but also there's nothing wrong with spending a bit more to have nicer stuff. The point of the video is about how to get the same experience for less money, not about making sacrifices to save money
I build a lot of PCs for myself, family, friends, etc. and pretty much learned long ago that AIOs are usually a waste, if not sometims worse than decent priced air coolers. then, one person demanded an AIO... I told them several experiences i had had in both my classes and building experience that have made me pretty much avoid non custom water cooling loops/AIOs ever since. But they were adamant. So... I gave them what they wanted. I've never bothered with another liquid cooler pre-built again, because even after 3 reseats and repastings, and then even LAPPING the cold plate because of how bad the cooling was, it's temp performance was pure shit. I even returned it thinking I got a bunk one... but got same performance. I've never, EVER ran into thermal throttling or any heat issues at all with good air coolers. Pcs I've built over years as a rule max their temps at under 70C, across every build (aside from 3 i9s that were used for a lot of editing) aside from extreme rare cases of them absolutely TRYING to push the temps. Don't avoid the enormous selection of great performing, reasonably priced air coolers. Take that extra $80+ and put it towards a better component elsewhere, and thank all the ppl telling you to do this later 😂
When I built my current PC almost two years ago I got an AIO (which turned out to be overkill in the first place) on discount and only used it for like a year until I started getting Hotter Temps like 80-90c on a game a week earlier was only like 50c (took me awhile to diagnose the AIO after replacing my thermal paste). I then switched over and bought a Vetroo V5 cooler after seeing JTCs video on it. As it turned out I think initially it cooled better than the AIO did. I also like not ever having to worry about the slim chance that something in my PC will leak and kill it. Of course I was told later that I probably needed to turn over my AIO/Case but I'd just rather deal with no liquid and less overall maintenance in my PC if I have to.
you absolutely correct. 8:47 also keep in mind that those 10% faster is at 1080p with 4090 xD. when you actually play you will be GPU limited anyway. so yes, 7600/7600x/7700/7700x/7900x does makes sense for most people. buy 7800x3d only if you have 4080-4090/7900xtx GPUs.
The best buy on AM5 is the r5-7600. Its super fast performs as well as a 5800x3d, sips 65W and allows you to have easy path to upgradability in the platform without losing a lot of value in residuals
Ram and storage have made the biggest difference as most gpus and CPUs are now okay for most things in general CPUs haven’t really mattered for the last 5 years for most people’s work cases
I have a 5800X3D my cooler is an ARCTIC Freezer 34 Esports Duo. Right now it is 41-44C in a 21C room. When I'm playing Cyberpunk 2077 it is around 69-71C. My GPU is a 6950XT $600 is what I got it for in May of 2023. It is going to last me a very long time. FPS in Cyberpunk on high @1080p is averaging 137.5. If I were to go to 1440p I'm sure I'd still get near 100FPS so I'm happy with my system. My case is a Corsair Graphite Series 600T Mid-Tower Case. I got it 9 years ago for $139. It still does the job and keeps things cool and has all the space I need even for the big GPUs. I have added 2 $20 Scythe fans to the mesh side panel to give a bit more air to the GPU and CPU otherwise it is the same as when I bought it.
i've built a (£600 AM4) SFF PC and put in a Thermalright AXP90 X47 on the 5700x . its a great little cooler, however even with fan curve adjustments and a Noctua A9x14 this thing ramps up and is pretty noisy even went opening chrome. so my next addition will be to rip that out and put in a Arctic Freezer 3 ( it'll fit! just). in a bigger case Air cool all the way get your self a NH-U12A and be happy. but in a Meshlicious i am going for the best and quietest Water cooler on the market at half the price of a NH-U12A.
I recently did a min/max build/rebuild/recycle of my own. (In Ireland, prices here are terrible so we need to shop around) Ryzen 5600 for €131 32gb high end ddr4 3600 cl 16-16-16 ram for 60 euro B550 mobo 80 euro(a good ASRock one) I already had the ram so that's why I stayed with b550 mobos. The next step up was something like a ryzen 7500f or 7600 with more expensive ram and mobo.... I just didn't have the budget to go with the newer platform. I just picked up a rx5700xt oc for 190 euro to complete it
I built my system 3 years ago with an i9 10850k, 3070, 32gb ddr4-3200, 1tb ssd, and a 2tb hard drive. The only upgrades I've done with it since then are: adding a 2tb ssd for extra storage, upgrading to 32gb ddr4-3600, and switching my previous aio to a Corsair one after my old one clogged. To this day, my system handles everything I throw at it. Did I overspend in some areas? Sure. At the time, I thought it was worth it to ensure that I won't need a major upgrade for at least 5-7 years.
I got the 7600x specifically to upgrade it in the future. Having the ability to pop in a new cpu in the future that is significantly faster than what I have sounds great. I would only need to buy a new cpu, nothing else. The 7600x is half the price while giving 80%-90% of the performance in gaming specifically.
One thing I only recently discovered, is turning PBO off drastically reduces the CPU temp (like 20 degrees cooler in my case) and still delivers almost the same performance. Now granted I'm not gaming at 1440P but in my own tests most games will run just fine with the boost off. Was just something I noticed one day, with PBO on it rams everything through 2 or 3 P cores and barely touches the rest and pretty much ignores HT altogether. Turning PBO off it just uses all the cores and HT to make up the difference. But the lower voltage going through the cores usually results in a much lower temp. And I'm just using the stock wraith cooler that came with my machine, a decent aftermarket cooler would probably lower the temps another 10 or 15 degrees. My rig with PBO on hits about 70 degrees playing things like forspoken etc, with PBO off the game runs just as well but cpu temp is only 51 lol. Even in Cinebench testing, with PBO on my temp hit 80, with it off it only hit 65. The score difference between the two was about 25 so no big deal. I'm not running one of the newer higher watt processors but I'm sure it would have an even greater impact on those due to drawing a lot less power.
About cases. Over years i learned that many budget brands already offer good cases. Some cheaper Deepcool or even Zalman cases are good. For me important part is cooling. if i can fit up to 3 fans in front, 2 on top, 1 on back, its all good. Got myself Deepcool for 50 bucks that even can fit 420 AIO in front if needed. Yea front pannel was plastic with horrible airflow but i fixed that with 20 minute mod.
I 'd be down to see a video about the process you take when making videos from the concept to the full video edited since your content is really well made and very different than everyone else. I'm curious how you edit videos? What do you think about when making a video that makes your content so different? It's also a great time to show the work that goes into RUclips video's since it's a LOT of work that people think takes 5 seconds, especially with benchmarking. I know you talked about it on the Broken Silicon podcast, but it would be cool to actually see it instead of hearing it plus more exposure.
Perspective of a person that just bought a 14900K and cooling it with air. I got the BeQuite Elite and yeah, sure under Cinebench it hits 100C and then backs off to 95C after a few seconds. But gaming, I'm getting between 60 and 80C depending on the game. Tiny Tinas Wonderlands 60C, MW3 75C, RDR2 78C. These are all roughly avg temps. Also, I ran 3D Mark Time Spy and had a solid 5.7GHz all P core throughout the whole test with a high temp of 77C. What I like about air, set it and forget it and while sleeping I can't hear a thing coming from the PC, DEAD QUIET and only maintenance is thermal paste after 5 years or the fan dies. Consider this. If a fan dies when you're not home, not a big deal, the cooler will be keeping the CPU in check till you notice your fan is dead. Water same scenario, PC overheats and shuts down or if you end up with water leaking. A lot more hassle with water and to many issues to arise. SIDE NOTE: My 9900K is a few years old now and I've been running a Noctua nh-u12a chromax.black and while running Vegas or Handbrake with ASUS multicore enhancement enabled - remove all limits only hits 85C.
very well explained , thank you. Do a video were you compare older ryzen's to new and see how much of a difference there is , Ill be more willing to see your perspective on this.
Definitely can overspend on a lot of that stuff. Just being picky but I would say that you are technically getting something better with water cooling, particularly custom loops, if you do noise normalize the water cooling will give you lower temps, if you try and go for the same temps as air then the water cooling solution will be quieter. Whether or not that is worth it for the increased price is debatable. I ran my system air cooled while waiting for all of my custom water cooling stuff to arrive in the mail and I can definitely say that it is significantly quieter and has significantly lower temps on water, not to mention it looks cooler. For most people I don't think that it would be worth the price, for me I love it, partially just for the enjoyment of making it that much more custom. Also I do think for some people, like myself, aesthetics will matter a lot more to them. I keep my pc on my desk so I like having something that looks good.
Great video man, I am guilty of fomo and over spending on things I don't need. I'm in the process of building an itx build for travel and fighting myself to not go crazy specifically with a gpu as on my main rig I have a 4070ti.
Ryzen 7500f and Ryzen 7700 are just the best value, and they can be overlocked and cooled with a 30$ cooler. Paired with a 2x16 6000 CL30 memory the prformance is more than enough for a RTX 4080\7900 XTX in 1440p. As for the motherboards - a 125$ B650M motherboard is enough for 8-12 core cpu, has 2 m.2, perfecrly good for 90% of people. I get a lot of questions from people who think you need a 300$+ mobo for a 7950x. That is not true, many 150$ boards have a VRM good enough for 7950x.
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language vex!!!
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bro just made another banger video yet comments something stupid like this, this is why I love this channel.
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the funny thing is that difference in price is non existent in my country. The companies that sell them in my country already "Adjusted" the prices based on real value.
And the pump will die. When it does, you are in to spend the same amount of money, again. But when a fan dies on an air cooler, it cost 10 bucks to replace.
>hear fan bearing whirring
>replace cpu fan with noctua
>no more whirring
happy
Order the same AIO, swap the stickers, send it back and get a refund.
Here I heard it here 😂 that's legit the best strategy from personal experience working at retail it would 100%work we always look at stickers and serials so if it matches it's getting RMA @@Jackikins
@@Jackikins unethical life hack lol
I just built my first ever PC and went with an aio. Decided on an Arctic lll since from everything I saw Arctic is one of the best while costing way less.
So far I'm very happy with it. If it does fail earlier than is reasonable I'll go with air instead.
But I hope and expect the aio to last many years.
Air cooling is the way. Cheaper, more reliable, and no pump noise.
You can get really competitive AIOs nowadays in price. Arctic at least here in the UK are god tier for that stuff. Also never had an issue with pump noise ever. I will say they are more reliable but I have also never had an issue with using one for literally 5+ years. I have literally never had one fail. I know an air cooler can last wayyyyy longer though so that is a huge W for a lot of people who want to save some on their new build they do, allowing an extra bit of cash towards the CPU or GPU.
@@lilpain1997I agree with you. I bought Corsair t170i I didn't remember the name. I bought it a year ago just for 170 euro, it has 5 years warranty. I use it to cool 13700k and I'm totally happy with AIO. My CPU doesn't goes above 70-75 degrees Celsius. Also big advantage is that you can put radiator where you want instead of putting heavy air cooler on motherboard and have risk that it will bend motherboard overtime. In my opinion paying a little bit more for AIO is win win.
I think arctic liquid freezer III 360mm aio is one of if not the best cooler for amd processors (performance is worse on intel), and is sub £70. Worth it imo.
@@GeneralS1mba i thought their new ones come with a contact frame
@lilpain1997
I just built my first ever PC and went with an Arctic lll 360mm AIO.
I was heavily debating going with air or aio cooling. I think either would be fine. Cooling a 7800x3d.
But from everything I saw, Arctic got special shout-outs as one of the best AIOs as well as being way cheaper than equal alternatives. So ultimately I went with it.
Very happy. I'm new to PC so don't have a lot of experience. But the CPU currently never goes above 57C in games. I assume that's a good temp 😂.
It's also basically dead silent compared to the case fans.
Not sure if I want or need to adjust the fan or pump curve, or what better settings would be. But as is right now I'm glad I went with this AIO and didnt overspend on a different brand. Looks very clean.
I think we overestimate how much we actually we want out of Pc and not actually having fun with it
Ye. Wont start playing new games just because you got a new PC
Yeah. I've never had one before so how would I know 😅
Yeah, I have a cheap laptop I was worried wouldn't be able to play AAA games. I dunno, it probably isn't, I haven't played a AAA game on it for months and I can't say I miss them.
Gets a new pc -
plays game -
bored -
plays lateset AAA game -
Slightly low frame -
sad -
looks for upgrade -
new GPUs over $700 -
P A N I C -
Saves money -
more processors -
put more things in the cart -
Builds another PC than upgrading the last one -
broke.
What?
Companies like Corsair, Arctic, Lian Li etc. pay a lot of money to sponsor influencers so they show off their products in every video and people think they're living in a cave when they don't build a PC like this.
Yeah my PC is mounted to the wall of my cave to keep the water from the underground stream from ruining by basic black no frills components.
I've spent $75 on CPU coolers in the past decade.
It's not about fun, it's about practicality. And fucking with a faulty AIO isn't "fun". I'll take that time and money saved and reinvest it into games.
I made the mistake of getting a corsair H100i v2 at one point. The v1 was a solid product, but the v2 didn't use enough anti corrosive in its mixture and many would end up with a failure due to corrosion. Mine included in that batch.
I later saw a post by a dude using his computer for work going through about 5 of them. All of then having the same failure.
I just switched back to air and never thought more about it after that.
I spent 12$ on Thermaltake white RGB; it makes ZERO noise.
@@HanSolo__ Yeah, air coolers in general are pretty frickin quiet now. The standout quiet boy performer for a while was the Hyper 212 Evo, but now there's at least six or seven fans out at market that are just as quiet or more quiet that still keep the CPU chilly, you've gotta be doing some real wild stuff to need AIO for anything other than aesthetics, and of course no shade to those who use them for build look reasons. But certainly if you're just looking for performance and value, you should steer very clear from that and just get a tower air cooler
@@ArtisChroniclesthe thermal right peerless assassin 120 SE ... Spent $30 on it. Sure my CPU is just an i7, but it's 14th gen, and even when running at 5.6 mhZ, the temps never even worry me. I rarely ever hear the sound of my fans, and my case is running 11 of them (if we count the 3 on the graphics card).
Maybe I got lucky with incredibly good airflow, maybe it's Maybelline. Or maybe, AIOs just aren't needed, lol
My GPU is white, my RAM kit is blue, my SSD and HDD are silver, my mobo is black with yellow stripes, no RGB. All in a windowless case. As long as it performs well, I honestly don't care about the looks.
I replaced my side panel with this server fan panel with 4 massive fans. Hooked up the fans to am adjustable voltage transformer to a very low setting and get massive airflow. I always turn off the power strip to my PC anyway so it's perfect and my 6950 XT went from 80 degrees to 65 degrees just replacing the side panel with the 4 fans panel. It's janky but I literally have zero desire to get any sort of proper setup. Even the $50 for a decent case can be added to the savings for my next CPU upgrade. No frills and all performance.
same, i recently built my first ever pc and i didn't bother looking at how parts looked, whether they had rgb or not. it still somehow came out looking good and stylish tho xd
The only looks that matter is the case. And that doesn't cost you more just to get a nice and sleek case. Nowadays often with fans already included.
@@christophermullins7163the fan panels are insanely expensive bro, no way
@@Noname-iq1gz I am in that line of work so it was free. Yes... $120+ minimum for the panel lol pretty sure this one was over $200 😂
also, the money saved while getting similar performance (at least at 1440p, like with the 2 builds here) can be used for a better mouse, better keyboard, better audio (both speakers and headphones/IEMs) and of course a way better monitor (or multiple monitors) than someone originally would have gotten if they had used that money for the tower.
$400 is A LOT for a setup if used outside the PC.
Yeah. I made a whole desktop 🖥️ set up for 1500 dollars on newegg (to match a price range 😅). Also I didn't by that because I didn't have 1500$ to spend
Outside the PC is expensive, the PC built alone is 1,000 dollars depending on the knowledge you put into it
I think people spend way too much on peripherals that don't offer any real advantage. There's virtually no meaningful performance difference between £14 60% mechanical keyboard and a £100 name brand one. Similar with mouse - Rapoo VT9Pro for £24 will perform as well as any Logitech money can buy. Most gaming headsets people buy have garbage audio quality and/or atrocious microphone but then Beyerdynamic MMX100 exists at £50 and blows them out of the water. Most "gaming" accessories are a complete ripoff garbage with HUGE markup. IMHO all that money should go towards a decent monitor, which is the aspect most people neglect.
The problem is: those apps lead to benchmaritis, which leads to overclockathon, followed by hardware envy
"There's no way your wasting time with todays sponser"
*Sponserblock automatically skips the baked in ad*
Hey, you were right!
Hilarious!! 🤣 I will have to try Sponaorblock
Freeloader thinks he's funny or smth
I actually don't mind sponsor spots. Sometimes i actually hear about something I'm legitimately interested in. Usually I just tune it out until it's over 😊
@@ArtisChroniclesI skip instantly for the sponsors that I see so often. I don't need to hear about Brilliant or Raid Shadow Legends for the 400th time, I would skip.
@@huckleberryjam4975boo hoo, just get an adblock
I've never built a PC before, but I plan to by the end of the year, and I recently found your channel, and it's been giving me great info.
Thank you.
I'm not in this for looks, I'm in it to spend a lot, and get even more. I don't plan to buy another PC for at least 6 years afterwards, if not longer.
What is your budget? What are your current specs if you have a list of parts?
@@MrAnimescrazy well I'm going to make a new build once I'm actually ready to start buying, but I'm shooting for about a 2k $ build.
i use water cooling because of it's small form and ease of install on mothearboard, instead of installing huge air cooler radiator. that's about it. that's real tangible pro of water cooling. also keep in mind that having radiator inside flows all that hot air inside the pc and then exhausts it via airflow, whereas water cooling flows all that hit outside right away, so even on ryzen 5 my gpu runs 5c cooler and my rams are cooler aswell, because that extra part heat isn't exhausted inside. it becomes even more important if u have heavily flawed gpu like 3090 which has extremely hot memory and that 5c temp drop becomes 10c temp drop.
Yeah. Finally someone
Majority of user installed AIO will be front mounted with fans blowing the hot air inside the case that will need just as many case fans required to expel the heat accumulated. So what really matters is case flow dynamics. Otherwise best scenario is having the radiator external and preferably in another room or outside...
@@UncannySense i haven't seen anyone around me installing AIO radiators in front. it dooesn't makes sense. unless one has absolutely zero understanding of airflow or no ability to use google (at which point i doubt they'll be able to install AIO anywhere for that matter) - noone would install it in the front.
I got almost insulted for putting a Thermalright PA with a 7800x3d. Everyone told me i had to buy a 240mm AIO.
i've seen a good amount of people using a LOW PROFILE AIR COOLER on the 7800x3d, and it was completely fine
Same. Except mine is Phantom Spirit cuz I want to support Thernalright for giving us the better Noctua performance.
Jeez, where were you where people were saying shit like that?
I honestly can't even imagine sleeping on the value of these air coolers. I think a lot of kids today just don't understand how unprecedented they were.
AIOs were actually great for a while, but that was back when you had to buy Noctua to get good air performance, which was in a similar price range. Ever since Thermalright decided they wanted to undercut the market it's been a no-brainer for any budget conscious gamer.
If you *really* want watercooling just because it's cool, then you should spend the fortune it takes to actually do it yourself. Otherwise air is a no-brainer and that's before you even start talking about longevity.
Reddit moment
When you don't realize the cpu will adapt to the cooler it's given...smh
you are right, PCIE3 NVMEs are good enough. You dont need PCIE4.
but what you want are probably TLC cells instead of QVC. Also you probably want an NVME with DRAM cache. For this reason you should have chosen the Teamgroup M34 over the MP33. While both are PCIE3 (which is totally enough), only the MP34 has a DRAM cache
Hey buddy.. your brain is showing.
i dont get AIO cooling for the better temps but to keep the temps out of my case.
I also like the tubes in my case and the added extra rgb fans. that is worth the price for me.
Agree with this - I've ran some pretty powerful GPUs (Vega 64/2080Ti/4080 Super) - all over 300W and some approaching 350W and I'd like to not have the heat dumped from them onto a CPU heatsink.
@@tourmaline07well you are clearly wrong.
air coolers help cool your motherboard vrms better. i couldn't hold my finger on the mobo heatsinks before i got an aircooler.
Fun fact, i play at 4k 144hz on a 7900xtx and my CPU is a 7600 non X. Yes, because i will never need a better CPU to play at 4k, i will never be able to get 250fps. With a gigachad air cooler that runs at low speed the CPU never reach 60c. The only place i overspent is the GPU, to be able to also run its fans at low speed and have a super quiet system at full load.
What fan do you use?
i suppose for gaming u don't need ultra powerful cpus, unless u want to play minecraft with 64 render distance or cities skylines 2
With a 144Hz monitor 144FPS is all you need, but if you bought a 7600 you can most likely upgrade it later.
Thank you so much for this video. You have no idea how many setups I see with useless stuff that bumps up the price for absolutely no reason. People can spend those money on things that really matter like a stronger gpu/a better monitor but no.
and what to do to people who already got RTX 4080 which is literally enough for all currently but they got some spare money. Why everyone check each other's wallet I dont get it
Idk.. I have always built strong PCs without wasting a $. Got a 6950 XT 5600x build thati spent $800 total on. Min max is all I know.
I have EXACTLY 2 reasons for using an AIO.
It looks nicer and when i build a PC for fun and sell it, it's less likely to be damaged while moving it around with an AIO rather than a tower cooler.
Consumers are trying to find reasons to purchase products
nope, the industry wnat that u buy all of their produrcts, or even better, all products from only one
I have the Peerless Assassin ARGB. It was $42 Canadian, looks great, runs cool and quiet. Used Arctic MX-6 instead of stock paste.
Buy a good air cooler, put the money you save towards a better graphics card. That will make your system run better for the same overall price.
never in my life have I ever learnt so much from a singular youtube video. Thank you so much for educating me on something i had no idea about but was just soo obvious. you truly are underrated vex. been a sub since 40k i think. i usually dont comment but i mean yah
I just recently went from a 280mm aio to a Noctua air cooler. It's significantly quieter because of that pump and cools basically the same. I work from home and use the computer for roughly 10-13 hours a day. The noise reduction was worth the trade.
How do you get any work done if you're gaming for 10-13 hours a day? That some serious multitasking. Props.
@@christophermullins7163 lol. I wish I could game that much. More like 1-2 hours of gaming and 10 hours working
@@christophermullins7163 he never mentioned gaming. Focus 😂
@@redbunnyclassic I know..
One thing to remember when building your pc is longevity. The x3d imho is the better budget choice if you plan to keep long term.
The same argument could be had for saving the money today to hold for a future CPU purchase in a few years. You pay more today for performance than you will in the future plus you don't need that performance today. The longevity argument is not a great one.
I've considered going back to an aio several times but what pulls me away is aio pumps go bad. It's guaranteed. But air coolers, the only thing that could go bad are the fans which are cheap replacements in comparison. Unless you're overclocking, you don't need those extra few degrees. Peerless Assassin all day long here and I have yet to hit high 70s.
I've had a fairly cheap Coolermaster ML240L running in my PC for six years now with the pump maxed - I do think it helps running pumps at a fixed RPM for the lifespan.
Prefer to have AIOs which has more thermal capacitance and so you don't need to have the fans ramping so aggressively as you would with an air cooler , which gets saturated quickly.
High end components, full noctua cooling, and a solid panel case. The perfect build
I still have the Noctua NH-U12P cooler I bought back in 2008 (!) - I just slapped a new Noctua fan on it replacing the old one and got the mounting kit for LGA 1200 for free from Noctua. it's cooling my 11700 without breaking sweat :).
Same. I'm on my second cpu with the same Noctua and have never had a temp issue. No reason to get water coolers unless you absolutely cannot fit one but can fit a water cooler, or if you just want one for aesthetics.
This sounded deep yo, like actually like a movie, The build up explaining the terrible situation then quoting :"This is how you escape the Republic !!!"
I am using the COOLERMASTER Hyper 212X for my 5700x (65-100w) and it was fine with the FX 8350 (125w) costs 16 EUR. And it works fine.
If I could have found all the parts I would have reused mine too for sure.
@@Playingwith3Dyou don't need all the parts. I have my aio fastened with random brackets that didn't come with it. Lol CPU runs 40c while gaming and overclocked so it's doing it's job.
@@christophermullins7163 That is the performance I remember from it. I used it on the FX8320 space heater at the time and it would keep it at around 32c all times. I have a 5800x with an AIO and its always running between 60-70c
I actually prefer the air cooler sound over that liquid cooler sound. That pump needs to be turned down a smidge. I hope they give better control over pump speed if they haven't provided it already.
Do you use open case?
Just got a Sapphire RX 7800 XT and it's a banger.
I think that’s what I’m getting. What model did you pick up?
Watching your videos helps me enjoy the house chores while doing it. Not gonna lie, I’m doing dishes while watching this video and finished exactly when the video ended. 😂
About this video, I was thinking of going for AIO water cooler CPU Fan, but my mid tower is not good for it, and I realized that I don’t need it for I’m only rocking a Ryzen 5 5600G, which is not that powerful for intensive tasks. I’m still using a used RTX 2060S tho, and I’m contented with its performance 😄
Awesome video! I've never understood people who buy chip CPU and GPU with overpriced motherboard and memory. In addition to that they buy expensive watercooling, tons of fans, and a fancy-looking case. I can understand people who don't care about performance and want a good-looking PC or have enough money for anything they want but if you don't have money and you spend everything on appearance it's just ridiculous.
If I win the lottery ima make an entire PC out of pure gold just to flex my build on Reddit. Have it liquid-cooled with $10,000 champagne, giant precious gems for buttons. Shuck yea dawg.
I still love the art of air cooling; you have to plan the airflow, use the smallest case possible to reduce the volume of air your fans move and if you do it right, you can match some AIO temps. Watercooling is still overkill and expensive for most builds but people keep falling for it as the 'ultimate cooling'.
Less than £70 aio isn't that bad.
@@GeneralS1mba yeah, decent air coolers aren't cheap either and problem is many cheap ones are trash, that pushes more people towards AIO..also case art; a big brick is less sexy that glowing tubes and led stripes..and ther theres the install-n-forget comfort of that brick...as someone once said "It just works"😁
Air coolers are gigantic now and make it a huge hassle to work around it (meaning ideally you would make it the last thing you install in your build). The problem however is when you want to tweak your build i.e change out the ram you are using, replace fans that just died etc you basically have to remove the air heatsink while with water cooling you can leave the pump in since its around the same size as the cpu socket itself. This is why I am going AIO water cooling for my next upgrade, creates so much more room around the motherboard to get your hands in to do what needs to be done.
Vex you need a discord! It’d be dope to talk about builds and such with your community
I have purchased Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE yeasterday and seeing this video made my day better.
Being compared to Linus and Jay is an insult. One would ideally want to be compared to Buildzoid or our lord and savior, Tech Jesus.
I will not watch either of those narcissistic douche bags. Tech Jesus is the way, the consumer advocate/informer we desperately need.
wtf are you on about. Both Linus and Jay are legends in the field. They've been doing THIS specifically for longer than most of you have been alive.
Definitely agree with the points. when I first built my am4 build I could have saved on ram and fans by just getting plain colours and not RGB.
Yeah, it was nice for a week but now I don't like it and most of time when I do eventually use my pc it's on the window sill with the curtains in front of the glass panel 😂😅
Am definitely jealous of your blacked out pc asthetics
Crazy to me some people spend $300 on a motherboard to drop in an i5 and never overclock or ever use any of the extra features they paid hand over fist for. That and RGB AIOs that have screens on them for mid-range builds.
Actual hardware spec over RGB and looks every-time. I prefer FPS gain over staring through my side-panel.
I use my cars old intercooler. Bonus of this is that the old engine oil residue helps reduce friction and wear on the CPU cores and increases multithreading performance.
I made the right choice I think! Motherboard- MSI Pro B650M-A wifi, GPU- Radeon sapphire RX 7700 XT Pulse 12GB, CPU- Ryzen 7 7700, Memory- Tforce 32gb 2X 16GB, CPU cooler- cooler master hyper 212 argb, Hard disk- kingston SNV2S200G 2TB
Good suggestions! I did one water cooling project back when most of the components had to be purchased from pet/home stores. Since then I've never had the desire to do water cooling again even though it's plug-n-play. 😄 It's cool seeing it go mainstream with AIOs, but yeah... their actual uses cases feel much more niche than popularity would suggest.
The Dark Rock Pro 5 can handle anything you want it to, quietly. Pretty impressive
One reason for the need of better cooling, is when you want get the largest benefits from PBO which allows you to sacrifice efficiency for a small performance boost, especially for the non-X3D parts where PBO can be pushed much harder.
First of all, great video, spent too much on cooling when i was inexperienced and now I recomment air cooling for most of my friends but about the sound, maybe the pumpsound comes from the pump not being at the utmost top spot of the loop. Maybe it only looks like this in the shot but if the pump gets filled with air that often gives annoying sounds as u know :)
A small note for the SSDs,
always check the rated endurance of the drive (TBW value) especially with cheap drives to ensure that it won't die within a few years.
I’m hyped that you have a test bench now! Keep doing you fam. Only way is up.
I went with an all white build I built last year with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 ram in the phanteks nv7. The pc is a beast and I clean it once a month. I went with air cooling to keep it simple especially when I clean the pc.
No way that will cool it
@@JustSomeoneRandomProgrammer is this sarcasm? I have 12 fans in my build which is my profile picture. I play at native 2k or native 4k high settings with or without raytracing depending on the game and if I feel like using raytracing. My temps are very good and I deep clean the pc once a month maybe twice a month sometimes.
@@MrAnimescrazy i know. On text it sounds like i don't believe you
@JustSomeoneRandomProgrammer that is dumb because air cooled is the majority of pc builds. Liquid cooling is the minority.
@@MrAnimescrazy but wait
I have an deepcool AK500 and that thing is great. At max load my 7800x3d hits 80ish degrees. Air cooling is way better imo. Unless you’re doing a custom loop then go with watercooling, but for most it’s just not worth the effort
This is a great video and can't like it enough. PC Building has always been about marketing and it gets worse every year. I generally will build out of the same case for at least 10 years so I get at least 2 builds out of it so I will spend a little more there. Another place you can waste money is fans there are fans out there now that are 30 USD each some even more. I don't want to know how much I've blown on fans over the years (no pun intended) All the little extra's such as lights fan controllers etc. can increase build cost. I've had pretty good luck with AIO's I've got one I'm about to replace just due to its age. I will replace it with something from Thermalright An area where you shouldn't skip is PSU get the best one you can and get one that is warrantied for 10 years.
What I hate about air cooling is that it hide my ram my precious ram rgb 😦
And sometimes it prevent me from having 4 ram sticks
Instructions unclear, I now own a 2010 Dell workstation
I actually went from my AIO to an aircooler. I don't regret it. I love how much quieter it is vs my AIO.
I'm running a the same 212 air cooler I installed 8 years ago on my daily PC. Put a Noctua Fan on it 4 years into its life. Still going. Cool temps. Meanwhile I can't count how many failed pump AIOs I've seen that conk out a few months after the warranty is over. Until a CPU cannot be cooled by a air cooler I'll be Air Jordan.
As a former no-AMD user I'm impressed with the Ryzen line today. GPUs are a hustle today. 1080p with my overpriced EVGA 3060ti keeps me happy.
microcenter saved my life with the same ram, cpu, and motherboard you showed in the non ripoff pc being bundled at $370
am loving the cable spaghetti under the table 21:37 for reals
Ever since I saw LTT cover the same topic I bought myself a Noctua (all black) behemoth and never looked back
I think the air cooler sounds more pleasant. This is a great informative video.
Funny thing about AIO: you still have fans! But 18 months later I still love my RGB fans in front of NZXT H510 case.
As someone who’s never built a PC before (tho I am planning on my 1st PC build soon if not NOW) I ain’t afraid to admit those liquid coolers just scream red flags… air cooling ftw 🙏🏼🔥
I got a 7800x3d last week. the reason why i got one is because i mostly play tarkov and i got huge fps gains in that one game. i recomend playing Tarkov or watching videos comparing a non x3d chip to an x3d chip to see what happens when a game is able to take full advantage of the Level 3 cache
tarkov has dogshit performance thats why it needs an x3d part to even run properly
@@wingmanemu3473my dogs shit has stunning performance.
my current go to is: get a thermalright peerless assassin or the cheaper 120 single tower depending on your CPU. instantly replace fan with a cheap, silent, reliable arctic fan 120 PWM PST, either RGB or non-RGB
In Germany the arctic liquid freezers 3's are way cheaper then in the US. I got my Arctic Freezer iii 240mm for 60€ and the 360mm one cost only 76€!!! For comparison, I could habe gotten a termalright peerless assasin dual for 35€, or since a few days the new Arctic duo 36. Bit the 240mm Arctic 3 was a really good value for 60€, so I'm happy with my purchase
I'm in the US and just built my first ever PC.
I went with the Arctic lll 360 aio since they seem like the absolute best quality and price. Around 80-90 dollars here for the 360. Very good in comparison to the other options. Seems like a similar price.
I'm pretty happy with it so far.
Unless you're going for a severe overclock, a hi-quality air cooled solution is almost always a better choice. Beside being generally less costly, conventional heatsinks are wwaayy more durable, require less maintenance, and if something does goes wrong it's more easily visible. If the motor in a AIO liquid solution fails, you won't know until your PCs glitching out.
I'm not spending on a spiffy case, I'm reusing my dad's old Thermaltake Xaser VI. Lotta drive bays for my old unused drives... especially if I get a Startech SAS to SATA card and 3d print some HDD mounts for the 5.25" bays.
I'd have probably bought a new one if cases these days would let you have more than 2 3.5" drives. (I mean, there are, but they cost as much as this case did back in the day, and good luck finding them in stock).
Only caveat is that I had to get a 5.25" I/O panel to add USB-C and 2 USB 3.0 headers at the front. You guys have no idea how long I had to search on Amazon for such a thing where the Chinese manufacturer actually had a USB-C header cable instead of making the connector route to a regular old USB 3 header.
Oh and forget putting that case on a desk. Unless you want to break your back and your friend's lifting it. Best anti-theft PC case: so heavy nobody can steal it before the cops arrive
my whole watercooling loop cost less than a noctua DH-15 and is needed for what horrible things I am doing to my GPU, and you absolutely can tell the difference.
because the cpu temp is lower is stays at max boost all the time in games, the GPU is overclocked, overvolted and running beyond its wattage(by double) and the typical gaming temps are between 38 and 46C/50C hotspot overclocked, down from 88C and pegging the hotspot at 110C stock cooler stock clocks.
am I the exception in this case?
A second hand Lowara D5 EK pump picked up for $20NZD, 380mm double thick rad and 240mm rad $18NZD, automotive 9.5mm hoses $10, brass 1/4" fittings with a 10mm hose barb on them(modified with a dremel), $0.5-1 each on clearance, coolant $1 on clearance(betcause no one wanted XT-1 in the color of hobo piss)
I am the min/max king. I have $800 in my pc.
6950 xt
5600x
16gb 3800 cl18
Nvme and 2tb hdd
850watt evga
Gpu cpu motherboard ram are new and everything else came from previous build but i worked those used price value into the $800.
It's been a while for this huge debate. And while there are some scenarios where water is better, AIOs the pumps break first all the time, sometimes they perform worse than a decently priced air cooler and you can't really refill it as far as I'm aware.
I came to the conclusion that if you're going water, go full JayZ or just go air. The extra price and hassle of an AIO that will last you at top performance for only 2 years or 3 maybe, is not worth it.
Edit: That motherboard VRM section was nuts. Learn a bunch, thanks a lot, great video!
Just recently got back into pc building and really enjoy your content! Two thumbs up, keep up the good work 👍👍
Lian Li 216 is the best $100 case out there. So much room to build in and massive quiet fans
Hell you could probably drop that down to a ryzen 7600(x) and still not notice any or much of a difference.
The difference is there ... if you have a 4090 and play @1080p... I have a 7800xt and went with the 7600 yeah maybe i lost a frame or 2 here and there, but I dont htink the 7800x3d is worth it till your on a 7900xtx/4080/4090 and not playing at 4k
1.5 million tomans (30 dollars) on deepcool ak400 white, certified BANGER
Sorry to be the guy but; Both have their merits.
Air cooling is more reliable cheaper 90% of time. Is a little more annoying to dust of though in some cases
Water cooling is quiter... In general! Not all coolers are equal. RGB and built-in LCD's are a total waste of money.
*Sigh*.. the main point is, buy what you need or whatever you want. It's your money. Also prices vary depending on the country. Sometimes they vary Alot. Here in Sweden most stuff costs usually $50-$500 more than what you boys in the US pay for hardware 😂
Also like bruh, there are many variables for what hardware / coolers are needed it would take a while to talk about them. I for example live in Sweden. It's pretty cold here and heating costs are annoying as heck so I go for 100% water cooling because 1. I have a pretty high end Intel system and 2. It helps with heating up my room. I mean I am using my pc alot for either gaming or other pc work so it works out. Also in the summer I hook up an external big radiator that sits in another room (tubes must be switched though) so my pc doesn't put the heat into my room.
Sure you could also put the entire system in an adjecent room, you just need a little hole to route the cables through or something. Actually I prefer doing this. I can crank up the fan curve without hearing any sound whatsoever. Not that I need it but it feels nice to let the fans rip (lol). Yes that also works for an air cooled system! Duh.
Idk, everyone has their preferences but I also imagine that many people are limited to some choices over others.
Edit: the 7800X3D isn't THE best gaming cpu, just to be stingy. It's mostly the best choice. Also depends on what games you actually play and what resolution. RAM fits also in that category.
As we all know, it's a balancing act with the CPU + RAM + GPU combination 🤓🤓
Edit 2: AIO's from reputable brands rarely fail. Also funny that LTT put out a video related to water cooling almost at the same time you posted Vex 🤔😂
Edit 3: Did you use Liquid Metal on the heatspreader at 16:43 Vex? Or am my eyes decieving me? 😱 If yes then.. what? Even for testing that would be pointless and risky..
Last Edit: Yes, this video is Not for me. Just wrote my thoughts here, hope you don't mind :)
Quality video.
If one really wants to squeeze out even more, there's plenty of room to do so even with the cheap build.
- Cheaper case
- Non-modular power supply
- Slower ram (it does make a difference but the more expensive one sometimes isn't worth it)
- Older platform CPU (5900X or 5700X3D) + Motherboard. Would make the ram even cheaper
- Use the stock cooler if you don't mind a little bit more noise and/or higher temps
I think the point of the two lists in the video is that they both provide the same performance, and the cheaper one makes no meaningful sacrifices over the more expensive one. Once you start talking about stepping back a CPU generation, picking a non-modular power supply and a cheap case you are making meaningful sacrifices. Yes most people would still be content with that, but also there's nothing wrong with spending a bit more to have nicer stuff. The point of the video is about how to get the same experience for less money, not about making sacrifices to save money
What we *need* and what we *want* are often two different things 🎉
I suggested on r/pcmasterace an aircooler for someone's first computer and got downvoted to hell lmao
I build a lot of PCs for myself, family, friends, etc. and pretty much learned long ago that AIOs are usually a waste, if not sometims worse than decent priced air coolers. then, one person demanded an AIO... I told them several experiences i had had in both my classes and building experience that have made me pretty much avoid non custom water cooling loops/AIOs ever since. But they were adamant. So... I gave them what they wanted. I've never bothered with another liquid cooler pre-built again, because even after 3 reseats and repastings, and then even LAPPING the cold plate because of how bad the cooling was, it's temp performance was pure shit. I even returned it thinking I got a bunk one... but got same performance.
I've never, EVER ran into thermal throttling or any heat issues at all with good air coolers. Pcs I've built over years as a rule max their temps at under 70C, across every build (aside from 3 i9s that were used for a lot of editing) aside from extreme rare cases of them absolutely TRYING to push the temps.
Don't avoid the enormous selection of great performing, reasonably priced air coolers. Take that extra $80+ and put it towards a better component elsewhere, and thank all the ppl telling you to do this later 😂
Good to see Pizzaface is back with a new video
When I built my current PC almost two years ago I got an AIO (which turned out to be overkill in the first place) on discount and only used it for like a year until I started getting Hotter Temps like 80-90c on a game a week earlier was only like 50c (took me awhile to diagnose the AIO after replacing my thermal paste). I then switched over and bought a Vetroo V5 cooler after seeing JTCs video on it.
As it turned out I think initially it cooled better than the AIO did. I also like not ever having to worry about the slim chance that something in my PC will leak and kill it. Of course I was told later that I probably needed to turn over my AIO/Case but I'd just rather deal with no liquid and less overall maintenance in my PC if I have to.
you absolutely correct. 8:47 also keep in mind that those 10% faster is at 1080p with 4090 xD. when you actually play you will be GPU limited anyway. so yes, 7600/7600x/7700/7700x/7900x does makes sense for most people. buy 7800x3d only if you have 4080-4090/7900xtx GPUs.
The best buy on AM5 is the r5-7600. Its super fast performs as well as a 5800x3d, sips 65W and allows you to have easy path to upgradability in the platform without losing a lot of value in residuals
Ram and storage have made the biggest difference as most gpus and CPUs are now okay for most things in general CPUs haven’t really mattered for the last 5 years for most people’s work cases
Ever since I learnt this.. air cooling is always my option. I think most people are always opting for looks so they pick aios
I have a 5800X3D my cooler is an ARCTIC Freezer 34 Esports Duo. Right now it is 41-44C in a 21C room. When I'm playing Cyberpunk 2077 it is around 69-71C. My GPU is a 6950XT $600 is what I got it for in May of 2023. It is going to last me a very long time. FPS in Cyberpunk on high @1080p is averaging 137.5. If I were to go to 1440p I'm sure I'd still get near 100FPS so I'm happy with my system.
My case is a Corsair Graphite Series 600T Mid-Tower Case. I got it 9 years ago for $139. It still does the job and keeps things cool and has all the space I need even for the big GPUs. I have added 2 $20 Scythe fans to the mesh side panel to give a bit more air to the GPU and CPU otherwise it is the same as when I bought it.
i've built a (£600 AM4) SFF PC and put in a Thermalright AXP90 X47 on the 5700x . its a great little cooler, however even with fan curve adjustments and a Noctua A9x14 this thing ramps up and is pretty noisy even went opening chrome. so my next addition will be to rip that out and put in a Arctic Freezer 3 ( it'll fit! just). in a bigger case Air cool all the way get your self a NH-U12A and be happy. but in a Meshlicious i am going for the best and quietest Water cooler on the market at half the price of a NH-U12A.
I recently did a min/max build/rebuild/recycle of my own. (In Ireland, prices here are terrible so we need to shop around)
Ryzen 5600 for €131
32gb high end ddr4 3600 cl 16-16-16 ram for 60 euro
B550 mobo 80 euro(a good ASRock one)
I already had the ram so that's why I stayed with b550 mobos. The next step up was something like a ryzen 7500f or 7600 with more expensive ram and mobo.... I just didn't have the budget to go with the newer platform.
I just picked up a rx5700xt oc for 190 euro to complete it
I built my system 3 years ago with an i9 10850k, 3070, 32gb ddr4-3200, 1tb ssd, and a 2tb hard drive. The only upgrades I've done with it since then are: adding a 2tb ssd for extra storage, upgrading to 32gb ddr4-3600, and switching my previous aio to a Corsair one after my old one clogged.
To this day, my system handles everything I throw at it. Did I overspend in some areas? Sure. At the time, I thought it was worth it to ensure that I won't need a major upgrade for at least 5-7 years.
Vex has became a god of content
I got the 7600x specifically to upgrade it in the future. Having the ability to pop in a new cpu in the future that is significantly faster than what I have sounds great. I would only need to buy a new cpu, nothing else.
The 7600x is half the price while giving 80%-90% of the performance in gaming specifically.
One thing I only recently discovered, is turning PBO off drastically reduces the CPU temp (like 20 degrees cooler in my case) and still delivers almost the same performance. Now granted I'm not gaming at 1440P but in my own tests most games will run just fine with the boost off. Was just something I noticed one day, with PBO on it rams everything through 2 or 3 P cores and barely touches the rest and pretty much ignores HT altogether. Turning PBO off it just uses all the cores and HT to make up the difference. But the lower voltage going through the cores usually results in a much lower temp. And I'm just using the stock wraith cooler that came with my machine, a decent aftermarket cooler would probably lower the temps another 10 or 15 degrees. My rig with PBO on hits about 70 degrees playing things like forspoken etc, with PBO off the game runs just as well but cpu temp is only 51 lol. Even in Cinebench testing, with PBO on my temp hit 80, with it off it only hit 65. The score difference between the two was about 25 so no big deal. I'm not running one of the newer higher watt processors but I'm sure it would have an even greater impact on those due to drawing a lot less power.
Great video! Reasonable purchasing behavior and resisting the marketing bs is the way to go!
About cases. Over years i learned that many budget brands already offer good cases. Some cheaper Deepcool or even Zalman cases are good. For me important part is cooling. if i can fit up to 3 fans in front, 2 on top, 1 on back, its all good. Got myself Deepcool for 50 bucks that even can fit 420 AIO in front if needed. Yea front pannel was plastic with horrible airflow but i fixed that with 20 minute mod.
I 'd be down to see a video about the process you take when making videos from the concept to the full video edited since your content is really well made and very different than everyone else. I'm curious how you edit videos? What do you think about when making a video that makes your content so different? It's also a great time to show the work that goes into RUclips video's since it's a LOT of work that people think takes 5 seconds, especially with benchmarking. I know you talked about it on the Broken Silicon podcast, but it would be cool to actually see it instead of hearing it plus more exposure.
Perspective of a person that just bought a 14900K and cooling it with air. I got the BeQuite Elite and yeah, sure under Cinebench it hits 100C and then backs off to 95C after a few seconds. But gaming, I'm getting between 60 and 80C depending on the game. Tiny Tinas Wonderlands 60C, MW3 75C, RDR2 78C. These are all roughly avg temps. Also, I ran 3D Mark Time Spy and had a solid 5.7GHz all P core throughout the whole test with a high temp of 77C.
What I like about air, set it and forget it and while sleeping I can't hear a thing coming from the PC, DEAD QUIET and only maintenance is thermal paste after 5 years or the fan dies. Consider this. If a fan dies when you're not home, not a big deal, the cooler will be keeping the CPU in check till you notice your fan is dead. Water same scenario, PC overheats and shuts down or if you end up with water leaking. A lot more hassle with water and to many issues to arise.
SIDE NOTE: My 9900K is a few years old now and I've been running a Noctua nh-u12a chromax.black and while running Vegas or Handbrake with ASUS multicore enhancement enabled - remove all limits only hits 85C.
very well explained , thank you. Do a video were you compare older ryzen's to new and see how much of a difference there is , Ill be more willing to see your perspective on this.
Definitely can overspend on a lot of that stuff. Just being picky but I would say that you are technically getting something better with water cooling, particularly custom loops, if you do noise normalize the water cooling will give you lower temps, if you try and go for the same temps as air then the water cooling solution will be quieter. Whether or not that is worth it for the increased price is debatable. I ran my system air cooled while waiting for all of my custom water cooling stuff to arrive in the mail and I can definitely say that it is significantly quieter and has significantly lower temps on water, not to mention it looks cooler. For most people I don't think that it would be worth the price, for me I love it, partially just for the enjoyment of making it that much more custom. Also I do think for some people, like myself, aesthetics will matter a lot more to them. I keep my pc on my desk so I like having something that looks good.
Great video man, I am guilty of fomo and over spending on things I don't need. I'm in the process of building an itx build for travel and fighting myself to not go crazy specifically with a gpu as on my main rig I have a 4070ti.
Damn the timing, literally was gonna upgrade my stock cooler
Ryzen 7500f and Ryzen 7700 are just the best value, and they can be overlocked and cooled with a 30$ cooler. Paired with a 2x16 6000 CL30 memory the prformance is more than enough for a RTX 4080\7900 XTX in 1440p.
As for the motherboards - a 125$ B650M motherboard is enough for 8-12 core cpu, has 2 m.2, perfecrly good for 90% of people. I get a lot of questions from people who think you need a 300$+ mobo for a 7950x. That is not true, many 150$ boards have a VRM good enough for 7950x.