Even in Basic mode, Xperias tend to produce more realistic colors, versus oversharpened, oversaturated VIVO. This is, I believe, why people who deeply prefer natural look, tend to pick Sony. Amazing comparison!
Great video and comparison. I like the detailed analysis. Vivo is a champ in terms of HDR processing. Their dedicated chip does a lot of computational photography algorithms that help with this. Sony has a very weak HDR. Basically not using any advanced HDR algorithms all the other smartphone manufacturers are using. That helps enormously with the JPEG processing on all but Sony Xperia.
@@ShibiChan I think it will be a bit of both. So they will in their unique way offer something that can please the main stream a bit more with improvements in terms of basic mode (pixel binning cropped zooming for example and better HDR on uwide and tele) but keep their unique quirks like tiny sensors for uwide and tele cameras. So I expect the 1 VI to be roughly the same size as 1 V and also same design. No large camera bump or anything. They will keep the main sensor as is with a maybe newer revision of the sensor (the same sensor that has now the LYT name instead of IMX) Their focus will be on tele camera and zoom being as good or better as their optical solution. Just using cropping on the main sensor that they will enhance with "AI" - maybe. Not sure if they will jump on the AI bandwagon.
interesting results hope u can get access to more phones to test their sensors as well or u can tell us which phone takes the best raw photos in your opinion
Important to note is, that the Vivo X100 Ultra does ALOT less ugly sharpening as the X100 Pro does. So that's sth to keep in mind. For Sure the X100 Ultra is Chinese only, wo you have to check if your country's language is supported and if your network-bands are supported.
It's a really interesting question actually. At the moment, I think Vivo wins hands down in terms of optical quality. I think Sony went into their new lines of phones with good intentions, but I think stubbornness and unwillingness to innovate beyond a certain point has really held them back. They have great R&D, almost everyone uses their sensors. But then everyone else also utilizes those sensors better than Sony themselves. At one point a couple of years ago I would've said Sony without a doubt is the closest to a dedicated camera experience. But just about everyone has dedicated manual modes now. Even my Vivo has tons of more modes within the pro mode, such as automatic exposure bracketing, intervalometer, a raw stacking mode.. so much more than Sony. So I think Sony doesn't deserve to call themselves the "phone for photographers" at the moment. They have a lot of catching up to do in both software and hardware. Don't get me wrong, the Xperia design is the best I think I've ever seen. But choosing elegance and form over functional photography doesn't make you the best phone for photographers. Rant over lol
@@ShibiChan hey really appreciate your honest work and hopefully you will keep bringing us new gems like vivo x100. We really need people like you. Keep up the good work! 💪
Vivo x100 Pro basically better at + HDR processing and sharpening + Main lens + Tele lens + Selfie lens Sony Xperia 1 V better at + Ultrawide lens + DSLR-rish look and lack of over sharpening (if you prefer it) + Better pro mode using photography and videography pro
@@joelconolly5574 For photos, you can shoot RAW on both motionCam and photo pro. But I think Raw on photo pro has Sony's flavour of RAW. For videos MotionCam pro is just superior. Like you can't compete with RAW video. It's a night and day difference. MotionCam is for enthusiasts mainly and wants to push to the limits of the sensor.
Unfortunately, RAW files are just as difficult to compare with one another as JPG.Let's take Apple as an example. The "RAW" files on the iPhone come out of the iPhone already clearly edited and at first glance they look better than on my Pro I But when I edited both, the images from the Pro i clearly win.Did you choose the same exposure time for all the photos?Have you taken the different apertures into account?
Using the MotionCam Pro histogram takes into account differences in aperture and applies that to the difference in shutter speed. There's an inherent space for slight miscalculation, which is why I gave a small percentage range. OEMs also sometimes apply things to their raw images anyway, which is why using a third party app like MotionCam was a fair alternative. For example, Sony bakes in vignetting correction, which can absolutely ruin their raw files if pushed a lot in post. I think Samsung also has stacking in their Pro Raw app, but I haven't used them since the S22 Ultra, so I'm not sure how it works now. MotionCam just pulls the raw sensor data, with options to ignore any automatically applied corrections such as vignetting. This is the fairest comparison I could think of given what I have at the moment. It's purely sensor based, before any benefits or detriments applied by the OEMs to the files (in terms of comparing the raws with MotionCam)
Its interesting (and expected I guess) how the dynamic range scales equally with the sensor size: 1 IV 1/1.7", 4.3 stops 1 V 1/1.35", 4.6 stops X100P 1", 5 stops +0.3 stops with 23% sensor size increase, +0.4 stops with 30% increase
I expected a larger difference as well, but it makes sense like it should. It also goes to show that sensor size is still going to be the largest decider at the end of the day, and to be extra skeptical of company marketing claims
@@ShibiChan Speaking of marketing claims, their most ridiculous and outrageous claim when 1 V came out is that it is comparable to their full frame cameras in image quality and dynamic range. It still sits on their official page for this device, and I remember their engineers mention this in one of the videos around release day
@@ToYo94 Right? It says something different on the Japanese site versus the US site as well. It's not even close, not even a little bit close to full frame performance in any category. Since I saw that, I've been a lot more critical of Sony and will likely continue to be with the 1VI
I think it depends on the subject. If you need to photograph close objects using only the main camera, I think Xperia will be better as the smaller main sensor allows for a wider focus plane. Otherwise I think the Vivo is better in every aspect
Even in Basic mode, Xperias tend to produce more realistic colors, versus oversharpened, oversaturated VIVO. This is, I believe, why people who deeply prefer natural look, tend to pick Sony. Amazing comparison!
Thanks for watching!
Great video and comparison. I like the detailed analysis.
Vivo is a champ in terms of HDR processing. Their dedicated chip does a lot of computational photography algorithms that help with this.
Sony has a very weak HDR. Basically not using any advanced HDR algorithms all the other smartphone manufacturers are using. That helps enormously with the JPEG processing on all but Sony Xperia.
Let's see if Sony decides to step it up and actually compete this year, or just continue down their own path doing what they're doing
@@ShibiChan I think it will be a bit of both. So they will in their unique way offer something that can please the main stream a bit more with improvements in terms of basic mode (pixel binning cropped zooming for example and better HDR on uwide and tele) but keep their unique quirks like tiny sensors for uwide and tele cameras.
So I expect the 1 VI to be roughly the same size as 1 V and also same design. No large camera bump or anything. They will keep the main sensor as is with a maybe newer revision of the sensor (the same sensor that has now the LYT name instead of IMX)
Their focus will be on tele camera and zoom being as good or better as their optical solution. Just using cropping on the main sensor that they will enhance with "AI" - maybe. Not sure if they will jump on the AI bandwagon.
@@lltechview more or less correct sir :)
interesting results hope u can get access to more phones to test their sensors as well or u can tell us which phone takes the best raw photos in your opinion
very in depth review, love it!
Important to note is, that the Vivo X100 Ultra does ALOT less ugly sharpening as the X100 Pro does.
So that's sth to keep in mind.
For Sure the X100 Ultra is Chinese only, wo you have to check if your country's language is supported and if your network-bands are supported.
This was very fun to watch, much appreciated
Thanks for watching!
could we see bracketed ultraraw test for x100 pro?
I definitely plan on doing a video on this!
@@ShibiChanlooking forward to it :)
Can you do a video of pro mode, camera modes etc. That would be nice 😅
I actually planned to but I think @lltechview just did one!
Try the MOTIOMCAM DNG, you can turn off the vignetting option and get more dynamic range, even other options like noise reduction
Who do you think is more closer to an actual camera in terms of picture quality and overall philosophy
It's a really interesting question actually. At the moment, I think Vivo wins hands down in terms of optical quality.
I think Sony went into their new lines of phones with good intentions, but I think stubbornness and unwillingness to innovate beyond a certain point has really held them back.
They have great R&D, almost everyone uses their sensors. But then everyone else also utilizes those sensors better than Sony themselves.
At one point a couple of years ago I would've said Sony without a doubt is the closest to a dedicated camera experience. But just about everyone has dedicated manual modes now. Even my Vivo has tons of more modes within the pro mode, such as automatic exposure bracketing, intervalometer, a raw stacking mode.. so much more than Sony.
So I think Sony doesn't deserve to call themselves the "phone for photographers" at the moment. They have a lot of catching up to do in both software and hardware.
Don't get me wrong, the Xperia design is the best I think I've ever seen. But choosing elegance and form over functional photography doesn't make you the best phone for photographers.
Rant over lol
@@ShibiChan hey really appreciate your honest work and hopefully you will keep bringing us new gems like vivo x100. We really need people like you. Keep up the good work! 💪
Vivo x100 Pro basically better at
+ HDR processing and sharpening
+ Main lens
+ Tele lens
+ Selfie lens
Sony Xperia 1 V better at
+ Ultrawide lens
+ DSLR-rish look and lack of over sharpening (if you prefer it)
+ Better pro mode using photography and videography pro
Glad to see that you're using MotionCam Pro
Any better than the photo pro app?
@@joelconolly5574 For photos, you can shoot RAW on both motionCam and photo pro. But I think Raw on photo pro has Sony's flavour of RAW.
For videos MotionCam pro is just superior. Like you can't compete with RAW video. It's a night and day difference. MotionCam is for enthusiasts mainly and wants to push to the limits of the sensor.
Unfortunately, RAW files are just as difficult to compare with one another as JPG.Let's take Apple as an example. The "RAW" files on the iPhone come out of the iPhone already clearly edited and at first glance they look better than on my Pro I But when I edited both, the images from the Pro i clearly win.Did you choose the same exposure time for all the photos?Have you taken the different apertures into account?
Using the MotionCam Pro histogram takes into account differences in aperture and applies that to the difference in shutter speed. There's an inherent space for slight miscalculation, which is why I gave a small percentage range.
OEMs also sometimes apply things to their raw images anyway, which is why using a third party app like MotionCam was a fair alternative. For example, Sony bakes in vignetting correction, which can absolutely ruin their raw files if pushed a lot in post. I think Samsung also has stacking in their Pro Raw app, but I haven't used them since the S22 Ultra, so I'm not sure how it works now.
MotionCam just pulls the raw sensor data, with options to ignore any automatically applied corrections such as vignetting. This is the fairest comparison I could think of given what I have at the moment. It's purely sensor based, before any benefits or detriments applied by the OEMs to the files (in terms of comparing the raws with MotionCam)
Its interesting (and expected I guess) how the dynamic range scales equally with the sensor size:
1 IV 1/1.7", 4.3 stops
1 V 1/1.35", 4.6 stops
X100P 1", 5 stops
+0.3 stops with 23% sensor size increase, +0.4 stops with 30% increase
I expected a larger difference as well, but it makes sense like it should.
It also goes to show that sensor size is still going to be the largest decider at the end of the day, and to be extra skeptical of company marketing claims
@@ShibiChan Speaking of marketing claims, their most ridiculous and outrageous claim when 1 V came out is that it is comparable to their full frame cameras in image quality and dynamic range. It still sits on their official page for this device, and I remember their engineers mention this in one of the videos around release day
@@ToYo94 Right? It says something different on the Japanese site versus the US site as well. It's not even close, not even a little bit close to full frame performance in any category.
Since I saw that, I've been a lot more critical of Sony and will likely continue to be with the 1VI
For studio and daylight photography. Not night. Which one?
I think it depends on the subject. If you need to photograph close objects using only the main camera, I think Xperia will be better as the smaller main sensor allows for a wider focus plane. Otherwise I think the Vivo is better in every aspect
Good 👍 video ❤❤❤😊
🎉❤🙏☸️🇳🇵