Lae'zel is by far the most tragic of the cast if you ask me. Infected by their worst enemy, probably going to turn into a mindflayer, by far the worst fate that can happen to a githyanki. Betrayed and cast out by her kind as well who she sacrificed everything for her entire live.
When I first started BG3 I didn't like Lae'zel much but decided to use her in my party anyways. After the Gith Creche she became one of my favourite characters, she truly goes through the most change out of any of the characters and has the most interesting story arc. You really get to see her grow and change as the story progresses which is rare in modern games and media. The voice actress also did a brilliant job with her. What an amazing character overall.
@@cinifiend I agree that there is a lot of depth to her story, but the actual change is quite superficial. She is still a fanatic that would gladly kill you if you stand in front of her (new) goals despite helping her have them. She changes her mind, but doesn't really grow as a character.
I hated her until I played the Creche part of the game... and I was completely devastated for her when the truth hits her. That's just how good the writing is. To completely change my perception towards a character . Well done, Larian Studio, well done!
Glad to know my intuition about the Gith at the creche was correct. Big red flag when a group of people is soo openly hostile to everyone, and their queen is a tyrant.
@SordidusFellatio The Gith child that you give to Esther was raised under a flawed code of good vs evil. Because of the rapid aging and flawed ideals he believed his parents and the society were evil and he was good and that as good he must exterminnate evil. If the egg is given to Lae zel the child grows up normally in a loving household.
Especially when seeing things that go down in the training school inside that creche, was it really intuition? Or just reacting normally to wildly evil misguided shit
Her actress really nailed her performance, Lae'Zel is one of my favorite characters alongside Astarion and Minthara. Also helps that she carries me so hard in the game. XD
And here you see some really good writing on the part of Lae'zel. She is, just like all of her kind, a *fanatic.* And every fanatic, be them political or religious, will always. ALWAYS. Double down when confronted with dissonant facts. "Vlaakith has sentenced me to die?! No. It can't be. This is a test. Of course, a test. I must prove myself further to her!"
You are correct. To ignore the facts and evidence around themselves out of fear of living a life and set of beliefs different from what one has lived prior.
@@CandyChaos7 In a way, yes. If you read the description of the Soldier background it says: "You are trained in battlefield tactics and combat, having served in a militia, mercenary company, or officer corps." It's the militia part that is important. Mercenary companies and officer corps are more military-oriented "proffessions", but militias have a connotation of taking regular citizens and turning them into fighting individuals, kinda like a draft. Historically speaking, and especially since the Enlightenment Era (1750's), militias have been associated with political and/or religious affiliations.
@@KRIMZONMEKANISM Thank Tiamat for 5e official Player's Handbook! *Saw you rolled NAT 20 on History skill check* I was born in 1992. Just to be clear here. 😉*Wink wink nudge nudge*
@@azotan1 She's a 20th level wizard, and a lich. Vlakith doesn't have an official stat-block in 5th edition but she's probably weaker than Vecna (CR 26), closer to Erandis Vol (CR 22). A regular lich from the monster manual is an 18th level wizard and CR 21 as a point of comparison. Any lich is an epic level encounter.
I discovered that early on too playing with my friend, both our characters are Drow and don't take shit from anyone. To the point when someone insults us we likely kill them. So I also tested this vs Vlaakith, who claimed to be a God, not my God. Plus any God directly interfering in mortal affairs like Vlaakith does with a Wish spell is clearly not really a God, yet. I'm not 100% certain but I do believe it is mentioned that Mystra doesn't get involved directly to deal with the main big baddie problem is due to Ao not allowing them to interfere in mortal affairs, so Vlaakith must not be a God I'd imagine or Ao would've denied her too, so... we should be able to kill Vlaakith potentially if the opportunity arises~! :D
I like the wish actually because what you are seeing is not actually Vlakkith but a projection of her. She is speaking to you from a realm incomprehensibly far from this one. To kill from across the Astral Sea into the material with but an incantation without theatrics is pretty baller and definitely demonstrates to the other githyanki in the room that the Lich Queen is never to be trifled with, furthering their fealty and resolve. It's not very often that you get to see your God directly deal out retribution with your own eyes.
I haven't played this game yet, but when someone says "Gith Queen" I immediately think of that lich on the astral plane that won't let her minions get past 12th level...
I get mixed up. There's the "deity" that the githyanki serve (this lovely lady) and then there's the being that the githzerai follow. I think That is the one who is a lich. It's been a while, though. Edit-- Nope. Dug out the old monster manual. You got it right.
Vlaaktith is the Githyanki Lich queen pretending to be a Goddess, who 'ascends'(murders) followers when they start growing strong enough to potentially resist her.
@@Bad_Zooka Are you for real? We both know that the second the party saw him as mindflayer nobody would listen to him and would want him dead. How is that remotely worse from for example Astarion that pretends to like you and has sex with you so you protect him, and depending on approval either mocks you that he only used you (low) or confesses the truth on high approval. Or that he hides being a vampire because he feared a stake through his heart? The Emperor was in no position to play the open cards from the start, because he literally is the face of the enemy.
@@meiru2453 We encounter a Mind Flayer in the Underdark. One who is free from the Mother Brain. We did not kill him now, did we? Why should it be any different with the Emperor? I find your argument to be rather weak
Not her killing us with a Wish spell if we defy her 😭Girl, if you used that directly on us you ain't no god - Ao wouldn't allow gods to intefere in mortal affairs so bluntly
A Wish spell CAN be Counterspelled..imagine ol Vlaadkith's amazement when she tries unaliving your Mage/ PC, and they just go ' Nah, you're gotta hafta try harder than than, Lich- Queen ! ( Casts Counterspell)'
@@aaronhumphrey2009 Then have your monsters of the multiverse bugbear fighter/gloomstalker whos level 8 oneshot her because they can put out 300 damage in the first round and she only has about 289 hp xD.
Lae'zel's dialogue doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you spare the dream visitor and refuse to give the artifact to anyone. She just magically knows that she's been named Hshar'lak without anyone telling her and reacts the same way, thinks this is a test, etc. It only really makes sense if you try to go through with the wrong choice lol
Hshar'lak is Gith for "traitor". It makes total sense for her to say that when she's part of a group that has, in fact, acted very decidedly against her Goddess.
I thought I would help them…help the queen, then I heard about the prince. About how I was supposed to enter this thing, and not her or her followers? Why not? Why me? Very sus. At least they had answers.
I find it disappointing that betraying Guardian doesn't end the game while simply telling Vlakith to fck off - does. That was my first and very frustrating ending. No uneven boss fight, no even proper dramatic cutscene, just "game over" placard. Meh. On the other hand, maybe that’s what I’ll do in the next play-through, send the squid to hell. I didn't like him right away. Just think - he tried to seduce me with false appearance (( BTW Planescaper didn't work for me due to bug, I couldn't even get into Prism and had to reload back.
Well at this point the game youre unlikely to even be lvl 12 and vlakkith as a lich is likely 20+. She doesnt need to fight us she just uses a Wish spell to kill us that is as instant as it gets.
I'd have to agree on this. 1) Convince Gith you don't have it and the quest kind of 'hangs' until you choose a different option 2) Say you want to see inquisitor about a traitor and the Gith 'magically' know you have the item and this ends up the same as 3) Admit you have the item and either had it over or don't 3a) Quest continues 3b) You die There are different ways to a game over but it all seems to only go one way to continue. Maybe I am missing something though.
Yo la primera vez se lo entregue por qué no confiaba en la en el guardián xD cuando el guardián se presentó como ilicido dude el triple , y cuando dijo que era *ya saben quién* dejé de dudar por completo y cambie todo mi enfoque de confianza de pronto XD
Man, the graphics worked just right, lol it's bizarre to watch this scene again out of curiosity, the graphics on my end were all over the place, ghosting everywhere, weird lightning, etc.. I guess the FSR2 implementation just screwed up these effects
As for the scene itself... kinda underwhelming. I really think this game would benefit for a sudden game over than just force a specific narrative (I saw a couple of these game over screens already, I am at early act 3). Vlaakith will betray you no matter what, that's a easy way out, why not show a brief cutscene of Vlaakith taking over the prism, kill the party, Game Over
If you attempt the "removal" first and remind Lae'zel that the purification process was a lie and almost killed you/her, fight the doctor/etc., she will automatically trust you at this part.
If you intervene to save the Gith youth from the Gith D.I. , he will give you a book on Orpheous. Unfortunately I got spotted drawing a mustashe on Vlaadkiths painting later and had to fight them all on the way out ( nonlethal/ KO'd them ).
@@Pepsi2341 If you go there to the quest marker, you will be forced to or be insta-killed. Or you promise to go, but attack the guy instead - laezel will leave and attack you.
@@MarkLee1 I'mma be real with you. You know that cage you find Lae'zel in on act 1? I told her to say 'please'. She said never. I left her there. Guess what never happned? I won't tell you when I last saw Lae'zel. I want you to see for yourself.
If you give fish man your artifact, the fish queen shows up; if you dont give fish man your artifact, you fight him and the fish queen still shows up. If you obey the fish queen, game continues; if you dont obey the fish queen, game over. If you spare your dream visitor, the game continues; if you kill your dream visitor, it's just an illusion and the game still continues. "BG3 is a real RPG! Mah choices have consequences!"
Aw I'm disappointed. They had all the makings of the Critical Role season 2 story, I wish we could actually become allies with the queen and depent on her instead of our "guardian". The moment Caleb reveals the artifact is the most memorable of all of Critical Role for me.
When you find out the 'guardian' true form, again there is only one 'continue' route. You CAN'T ally with the Gith, your only choice is to fight the Gith or everything. If you follow that through you just get a game over.
But she has zero reasons to keep us alive, a lot of reasons to want us dead, no need of us as allies AND no way of keeping us from transforming into mindflayers Additionally the game would then completely lack the depth and moral ambiguity you're presented with in the Emperor, require a complete rewrite of the Orpheus aspect and Lae'zels character growth and make the game way longer with a more convoluted story, as we would have to get deeper into Gith culture and would need some reason for her to continue to talk to us to get a similar manipulation/expose relationship going with her as we have with our guardian. Additionally to it not making any sense that she would want to help us or Baldur's Gate, any PC that's not a Gith wouldn't have any reason to believe she would either, requiring another rewrite. As would the Shadowheart/Lae'zel conflict. And the final decision in the Astral Plane, as it would then be centered on the Githyanki and their future. As we would still need to discover what she actually gets up to, this would still make her the obvious 'evil choice', which means 'good' characters would have a real problem/no options...Which includes our companions, who go with their guardians for largely the same reasons as the PC initially does, but have no reason to go with Vlaakith tl;dr i believe Vlaakith as an ally would require a rewrite of most of the game, if we want a coherent story Just enjoy Critical Role for what it is and accept that this game isn't a copy paste even with Matt Mercer in it ;)
Pathetic mechanic, the way the designers made it feels more like spitting to your face instead of just giving you the option to fight back, i am disgusted.
It's either this type of situation exists in the game or the game comes out in 12+ years to account for yet more choices that will still lead to this type of situation, if it comes out at all. The reality of production and development puts a hard limit on how much freedom they can give you and they give you *a lot* in this game already.
then become your own game designer and program in the 100 different ways the story could go depending on your choices. Either that or play some real DnD. this game is waaaay better than most rpgs that give you one linear path and thats it.
Lae'zel is by far the most tragic of the cast if you ask me. Infected by their worst enemy, probably going to turn into a mindflayer, by far the worst fate that can happen to a githyanki.
Betrayed and cast out by her kind as well who she sacrificed everything for her entire live.
When I first started BG3 I didn't like Lae'zel much but decided to use her in my party anyways. After the Gith Creche she became one of my favourite characters, she truly goes through the most change out of any of the characters and has the most interesting story arc. You really get to see her grow and change as the story progresses which is rare in modern games and media. The voice actress also did a brilliant job with her. What an amazing character overall.
Ah hell naw kill the mindflayer trickstering u as the opposite sex the whole time and make that gith prince the flayer and ride off into the sunset
@@cinifiend I agree that there is a lot of depth to her story, but the actual change is quite superficial. She is still a fanatic that would gladly kill you if you stand in front of her (new) goals despite helping her have them. She changes her mind, but doesn't really grow as a character.
I hated her until I played the Creche part of the game... and I was completely devastated for her when the truth hits her.
That's just how good the writing is. To completely change my perception towards a character . Well done, Larian Studio, well done!
I find Shadowheart to be more tragic.
Glad to know my intuition about the Gith at the creche was correct. Big red flag when a group of people is soo openly hostile to everyone, and their queen is a tyrant.
Harsh conditions breed harsh people, insane, i know, sadly your IQ is not that insane.
Pretty sure all gith are
@SordidusFellatio The Gith child that you give to Esther was raised under a flawed code of good vs evil. Because of the rapid aging and flawed ideals he believed his parents and the society were evil and he was good and that as good he must exterminnate evil.
If the egg is given to Lae zel the child grows up normally in a loving household.
Especially when seeing things that go down in the training school inside that creche, was it really intuition? Or just reacting normally to wildly evil misguided shit
Orpheus isn't any different, there reason he allies with you is out of necessity to stop the grand design.
"What good this heart of stone for it to be shattered?"
Well that added some poetic depth to Lae'zel.
Her actress really nailed her performance, Lae'Zel is one of my favorite characters alongside Astarion and Minthara. Also helps that she carries me so hard in the game. XD
And here you see some really good writing on the part of Lae'zel.
She is, just like all of her kind, a *fanatic.*
And every fanatic, be them political or religious, will always. ALWAYS. Double down when confronted with dissonant facts.
"Vlaakith has sentenced me to die?! No. It can't be. This is a test. Of course, a test. I must prove myself further to her!"
You are correct. To ignore the facts and evidence around themselves out of fear of living a life and set of beliefs different from what one has lived prior.
Thankfully, if you're close enough with her, and with Voss's help, she comes to realize just how much Vlaakith has betrayed the Githyanki race.
Is that why she has the "Soldier" background?
@@CandyChaos7 In a way, yes.
If you read the description of the Soldier background it says:
"You are trained in battlefield tactics and combat, having served in a militia, mercenary company, or officer corps."
It's the militia part that is important.
Mercenary companies and officer corps are more military-oriented "proffessions", but militias have a connotation of taking regular citizens and turning them into fighting individuals, kinda like a draft.
Historically speaking, and especially since the Enlightenment Era (1750's), militias have been associated with political and/or religious affiliations.
@@KRIMZONMEKANISM Thank Tiamat for 5e official Player's Handbook!
*Saw you rolled NAT 20 on History skill check*
I was born in 1992. Just to be clear here.
😉*Wink wink nudge nudge*
The queen is pathetic having to use a wish spell to kill my party
wonder what her lvl is
Right? Loved that I ran into that
@@azotan1 She's a 20th level wizard, and a lich. Vlakith doesn't have an official stat-block in 5th edition but she's probably weaker than Vecna (CR 26), closer to Erandis Vol (CR 22). A regular lich from the monster manual is an 18th level wizard and CR 21 as a point of comparison. Any lich is an epic level encounter.
I discovered that early on too playing with my friend, both our characters are Drow and don't take shit from anyone. To the point when someone insults us we likely kill them. So I also tested this vs Vlaakith, who claimed to be a God, not my God. Plus any God directly interfering in mortal affairs like Vlaakith does with a Wish spell is clearly not really a God, yet.
I'm not 100% certain but I do believe it is mentioned that Mystra doesn't get involved directly to deal with the main big baddie problem is due to Ao not allowing them to interfere in mortal affairs, so Vlaakith must not be a God I'd imagine or Ao would've denied her too, so... we should be able to kill Vlaakith potentially if the opportunity arises~! :D
I like the wish actually because what you are seeing is not actually Vlakkith but a projection of her. She is speaking to you from a realm incomprehensibly far from this one. To kill from across the Astral Sea into the material with but an incantation without theatrics is pretty baller and definitely demonstrates to the other githyanki in the room that the Lich Queen is never to be trifled with, furthering their fealty and resolve. It's not very often that you get to see your God directly deal out retribution with your own eyes.
I was talking shit and she killed me 😂
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Same here. Right quick, too. 🙂
I haven't played this game yet, but when someone says "Gith Queen" I immediately think of that lich on the astral plane that won't let her minions get past 12th level...
I get mixed up. There's the "deity" that the githyanki serve (this lovely lady) and then there's the being that the githzerai follow. I think That is the one who is a lich. It's been a while, though.
Edit-- Nope. Dug out the old monster manual. You got it right.
how does one know they get to 12th level
@@deus_noctis9810you can feel it in your loins
Vlaaktith is the Githyanki Lich queen pretending to be a Goddess, who 'ascends'(murders) followers when they start growing strong enough to potentially resist her.
This is an incredibly esoteric piece of media to consume for someone who hasn't played the game.
"What good this heart of stone for it to be shattered"
"So you are not to be trusted" says the disguised mindflayer who never revealed how he protects us from the Absolute. I really dislike the Emperor :D
Same, I really did not like him
He... does reveal it though. He protects from the Absolute by mind controlling the Githyanki inside the prism.
Yes, he reveals it. After playing for like 80h and dressing as a girl (in my case, at least). What a champ. @@meiru2453
@@Bad_Zooka Are you for real? We both know that the second the party saw him as mindflayer nobody would listen to him and would want him dead. How is that remotely worse from for example Astarion that pretends to like you and has sex with you so you protect him, and depending on approval either mocks you that he only used you (low) or confesses the truth on high approval. Or that he hides being a vampire because he feared a stake through his heart?
The Emperor was in no position to play the open cards from the start, because he literally is the face of the enemy.
@@meiru2453 We encounter a Mind Flayer in the Underdark. One who is free from the Mother Brain. We did not kill him now, did we? Why should it be any different with the Emperor? I find your argument to be rather weak
I've noticed one thing about Lae'zel is she is very naive.
Like every human being that is indoctrinated from childhood.
She’s very young and for a gith she’s basically no more than a child, in the sense that an 18 year old is in some ways still immature
Fanatics usually are.
Do you mean like christians or muslims people?
@@serraxer Like all religions.
13:59 Think, Laezel, think!
Not her killing us with a Wish spell if we defy her 😭Girl, if you used that directly on us you ain't no god - Ao wouldn't allow gods to intefere in mortal affairs so bluntly
A Wish spell CAN be Counterspelled..imagine ol Vlaadkith's amazement when she tries unaliving your Mage/ PC, and they just go ' Nah, you're gotta hafta try harder than than, Lich- Queen ! ( Casts Counterspell)'
@@aaronhumphrey2009 Then have your monsters of the multiverse bugbear fighter/gloomstalker whos level 8 oneshot her because they can put out 300 damage in the first round and she only has about 289 hp xD.
None of these story paths really matter.
They all funnel you to the Githyanki turning on you and the dream visitor revealing that Vlaakith is a fraud.
to be fair, the developers need to draw the line somewhere. If every decision lead to a completely different path, the game would never be finished.
I'm glad to see this as it's something I can't bring myself to do.
My spirit world guy told me not to go in there, so i didn't go in there.
You know, I never wondered what a Grass Dragon would look like. Does it have dandelion breath attack? Spores goooo!!
It's just a green dragon. Their breath weapon is chlorine gas.
That's so cute!
Chlorine gas, goo!
i've seen this outcome once before, since then i have urged Lae'zel to go against vlaakith, at every oppertunity possible.
Oh my oh my, the green dinosaur's facial expressions are awesome. I played that as Githyanki 😎
Am I the only one that says Bitch Queen instead of Gith Queen?
Unfortunately Umberlee already took that title
@@AnastasiaThemis damn that's true. I'm still gonna call her that though.
I just let Shadowhart take care of Lae'zel in the camp with a dagger. 🙈
Lae'zel's dialogue doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you spare the dream visitor and refuse to give the artifact to anyone. She just magically knows that she's been named Hshar'lak without anyone telling her and reacts the same way, thinks this is a test, etc. It only really makes sense if you try to go through with the wrong choice lol
Hshar'lak is Gith for "traitor". It makes total sense for her to say that when she's part of a group that has, in fact, acted very decidedly against her Goddess.
You must have missed a cutscene lol
I love Tav's smirk at 1:06
I thought I would help them…help the queen, then I heard about the prince. About how I was supposed to enter this thing, and not her or her followers? Why not? Why me? Very sus.
At least they had answers.
How did you get cloaks/capes in act 1?
I find it disappointing that betraying Guardian doesn't end the game while simply telling Vlakith to fck off - does. That was my first and very frustrating ending. No uneven boss fight, no even proper dramatic cutscene, just "game over" placard. Meh. On the other hand, maybe that’s what I’ll do in the next play-through, send the squid to hell. I didn't like him right away. Just think - he tried to seduce me with false appearance ((
BTW Planescaper didn't work for me due to bug, I couldn't even get into Prism and had to reload back.
Well at this point the game youre unlikely to even be lvl 12 and vlakkith as a lich is likely 20+. She doesnt need to fight us she just uses a Wish spell to kill us that is as instant as it gets.
Nothing happens. Same happens that happens anyway. You fight the inquisitor.
Im surprised we cannot survive that. I taunted her first try.
13:53 Would have picked the option befitting Lae'zel's INT stat after going through the Zaith'isk
Basically any choice dont matter, the story goes the same way with a different "vibe" to it
Well, if you mouth off too much to the Vlakith, she wish-kills you all and ends the game... LOL
I'd have to agree on this.
1) Convince Gith you don't have it and the quest kind of 'hangs' until you choose a different option
2) Say you want to see inquisitor about a traitor and the Gith 'magically' know you have the item and this ends up the same as
3) Admit you have the item and either had it over or don't
3a) Quest continues
3b) You die
There are different ways to a game over but it all seems to only go one way to continue.
Maybe I am missing something though.
@@pauljackson1944 u can oppose helping her and it will still continue. Thats what ive done every playthrough.
@@er1chawk She always keeps a spare birthday cake around so she can light the candles and blow them out for a wish. Very clever trick.
I imagine you could skip the crèche altogether. Laezel and Kithrac’s convo later on would be interesting.
I'm consistently impressed by the quality and depth of your video content.
What? This was just cutscenes from a game...
Yeah, no bs. Exactly what we want@@Pekz00r
Well you have to give it to her really, to progress the storyline. Also the Blood of Lathander quest is really a must for the most part, it's epic.
Nah in my first playthrough I didn't know you can go through both the underdark and the mountain pass and I just never saw the creche.
@@aspermwhalespontaneouslyca8938Probably has the best panorama in game
What does god need with a starship?
My visitor and yours look eerily alike. :D
Wait you're telling me most people didn't have something similar? This was the otpion I chose on my only playthrough so far.
Yo la primera vez se lo entregue por qué no confiaba en la en el guardián xD cuando el guardián se presentó como ilicido dude el triple , y cuando dijo que era *ya saben quién* dejé de dudar por completo y cambie todo mi enfoque de confianza de pronto XD
Idk why I see so many BG3 youtubers leave their characters unleveled up in these clips.
Probably mods that let you lvl more but if you do it wrong game will crash
Much like script extender, you can teleport to any location from the start. Dunno about quest line after that way moving.
6:10 Gale should be the one saying "Don't do it...", but with a female voice?
Its the dream visitor speaking not Gale
Can't argue with religious pride
Man, the graphics worked just right, lol it's bizarre to watch this scene again out of curiosity, the graphics on my end were all over the place, ghosting everywhere, weird lightning, etc.. I guess the FSR2 implementation just screwed up these effects
Had fucked up effects with native graphics, although I have a 4080 built in and limited the FPS to 60.
The Githyanki are so damn cool.
When i go to the part to talk to our guardian nothing parts up letting me talk to them
The cutscene with the guardian and the astral plain won't start for me does anyone have any answers as to why??
My thing in my playthrough is these people are rude as hell so screw them
As for the scene itself... kinda underwhelming. I really think this game would benefit for a sudden game over than just force a specific narrative (I saw a couple of these game over screens already, I am at early act 3). Vlaakith will betray you no matter what, that's a easy way out, why not show a brief cutscene of Vlaakith taking over the prism, kill the party, Game Over
too bad there isnt a dragonborn guardian
Great scene, great game
Where did you get that shiny weapon? the one that seems like a big cold spear
It's a 3 part staff you can get by finding the 3 Drow who were looking for the Grymforge in the Underdark 🙂
This quest line is fucking me off so much, either go do this which I don’t want to or have to kill lazel
If you attempt the "removal" first and remind Lae'zel that the purification process was a lie and almost killed you/her, fight the doctor/etc., she will automatically trust you at this part.
I need better gear I'm lvl 5 on this part with same gear
Gale approves hahahhaa
Hm
If you intervene to save the Gith youth from the Gith D.I. , he will give you a book on Orpheous. Unfortunately I got spotted drawing a mustashe on Vlaadkiths painting later and had to fight them all on the way out ( nonlethal/ KO'd them ).
You basically have to in order to progress the story..... so this video is a bit silly
I never gave them the artifact in my playthrough. Never even went inside the astral prism. So no you basically don't have to.
I didn't even go to the creche on my 1st playthrough lol let alone did all this
@@Pepsi2341 If you go there to the quest marker, you will be forced to or be insta-killed. Or you promise to go, but attack the guy instead - laezel will leave and attack you.
@@MarkLee1 I'mma be real with you. You know that cage you find Lae'zel in on act 1? I told her to say 'please'. She said never. I left her there. Guess what never happned? I won't tell you when I last saw Lae'zel. I want you to see for yourself.
If you give fish man your artifact, the fish queen shows up; if you dont give fish man your artifact, you fight him and the fish queen still shows up.
If you obey the fish queen, game continues; if you dont obey the fish queen, game over.
If you spare your dream visitor, the game continues; if you kill your dream visitor, it's just an illusion and the game still continues.
"BG3 is a real RPG! Mah choices have consequences!"
lol I hate Dragonborn.
That's it, that's the comment :P
Goofiest smile ever
So she turns into salron, like omg so unoriginal
Aw I'm disappointed. They had all the makings of the Critical Role season 2 story, I wish we could actually become allies with the queen and depent on her instead of our "guardian". The moment Caleb reveals the artifact is the most memorable of all of Critical Role for me.
When you find out the 'guardian' true form, again there is only one 'continue' route.
You CAN'T ally with the Gith, your only choice is to fight the Gith or everything.
If you follow that through you just get a game over.
But she has zero reasons to keep us alive, a lot of reasons to want us dead, no need of us as allies AND no way of keeping us from transforming into mindflayers
Additionally the game would then completely lack the depth and moral ambiguity you're presented with in the Emperor, require a complete rewrite of the Orpheus aspect and Lae'zels character growth and make the game way longer with a more convoluted story, as we would have to get deeper into Gith culture and would need some reason for her to continue to talk to us to get a similar manipulation/expose relationship going with her as we have with our guardian.
Additionally to it not making any sense that she would want to help us or Baldur's Gate, any PC that's not a Gith wouldn't have any reason to believe she would either, requiring another rewrite. As would the Shadowheart/Lae'zel conflict. And the final decision in the Astral Plane, as it would then be centered on the Githyanki and their future. As we would still need to discover what she actually gets up to, this would still make her the obvious 'evil choice', which means 'good' characters would have a real problem/no options...Which includes our companions, who go with their guardians for largely the same reasons as the PC initially does, but have no reason to go with Vlaakith
tl;dr i believe Vlaakith as an ally would require a rewrite of most of the game, if we want a coherent story
Just enjoy Critical Role for what it is and accept that this game isn't a copy paste even with Matt Mercer in it ;)
She has no reason to keep us alive. Vlaakith’s whole thing is that she doesnt give a shit about anybody’s life but her own
"I am of the empire, but I am no friend to the empire."
but then that wouldn't fit vlaadith and the history of the gith, they hate mind flayers and will instead rather kill you
Pathetic mechanic, the way the designers made it feels more like spitting to your face instead of just giving you the option to fight back, i am disgusted.
It's either this type of situation exists in the game or the game comes out in 12+ years to account for yet more choices that will still lead to this type of situation, if it comes out at all. The reality of production and development puts a hard limit on how much freedom they can give you and they give you *a lot* in this game already.
then become your own game designer and program in the 100 different ways the story could go depending on your choices. Either that or play some real DnD. this game is waaaay better than most rpgs that give you one linear path and thats it.