Is The Expensive Choke Worth The Money? | Pattern Testing A Kicks High Flyer
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
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Today I pattern tested a kicks high flyer choke tube and compared it to the patterns from my Winchester SX4 choke tubes. I made a video about this in the past, but it was with a Benelli. I was surprised with the results that I got.
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One thing to remember -The only thing that is consistent about shotguns is that very few things are consistent. Identical guns with the same degree of choke and using the same shell may not pattern the same. The same load between various brands of shells can pattern differently. Patterns will change when changing from hard to soft shot. Patterns can change when anything in the shell changes such as different wads, powders or primers. Note that if your head/eye is not located in the same place on the stock between bench rest and offhand shooting your point of impact will be different. Try your test with a bench rest at 40 yards to keep consistency. Also, test with 5+ shots each choke for better average results. Overall, great video 👍
I bought the Winchester SX4 this past winter and along with the Hevi-Metal Mid Range choke tube. I've had awesome patterns at 30yds with various duck/goose loads with that combination! Buying the extended range choke soon for more testing this summer.
What's choke did you bought and where? ¿Could you help me? Please
My SBE3 and 3500 stoeger both shoot really well for me. Also shoot Carlson 's longbeard xr choke in my SBE3 for turkeys. Both my guns shot a lil high no matter what choke but fixed the issue with the shims for the stock
Great video. Very interesting comparison. I've never used anything but the choke provided with my shotguns.
Freelance Duck Hunting nothing wrong with that. Extended tubes tend to throw better patterns due to shot getting shuffled around and constricted over a longer parallel section. They aren’t all hype
Very sturdy, and easy to clean.Excellent product
I always buy the cheap Carlson flush fitted chokes. I have 8 different sizes!! Cylinder .730 - Imp Cylinder .720 - Modified .710 - Imp Modified .705 - Full .700 - Extra Full .690 - XX Full .680 - Turkey .665. 00 buckshot patterns the best out of my .680 choke. Although, I've seen people on RUclips get amazing results from a Turkey choke. I think I'll try the .665 next. I LOVE TO PATTERN BUCKSHOT!!!! I'll shoot until my cheek and shoulder gets sore. lol
Kicks High Flyer Modified is designed for smaller shot size than Double B’s. Try 1,2,or 3’s read on their website.
All I've ever gotten out of a 3 1/2 inch shell over a 3 inch shell is a hell of a lot more recoil.
You haven’t ever shot at a turkey in windy Nebraska from 40-50 yards then
mooseemeier no you wait for them to get closer moron 🤭
Great content, I've often wondered if there was a difference.
Nice video.. Hand's down a .720 Terror Choke Tube is in my own opinion the best choke tube on the market for waterfowl.. It's in a class all by itself..
kicks highflyer modified equals to improved cylinder of regular choke, and regular modified choke equals full at highflyer. go get a kicks highflyer full, it shoots very well.
karelianguy how do you know
Good choice on the Winchester SX4! I'm just too cheap to buy a choke other than what comes with the gun.
Just a few quick tips man but the way I pattern my gun is this: i use hi viz targets. I’ll go out & buy like 20 of em with a 30 Inch circle. Then I’ll go buy a box of every ammo with u inquest characteristics. Hevi metal, black cloud, Kent, hevi steel, etc. in my favorite configuration (3 inch 2s) then I’ll shoot em at 30 and 40 yards. Everything looks good at 20 yards. The most pellet count inside the 30 inch circle at 40 yards wins.
Nice demo. Thanks for the post.
We pattern our 10 ga. 1 1/2 oz loads with a modified choke. T's andTT's. We pattern at 50 yds. We get 50 to 55 in a 30 inch circle. Same weight load as the 3 1/2 inch 12ga. With that smaller bb shot you need a tighter choke. We would reject a load that only gave us 45 at 50yds.even with the large shot. In a true 12 bore BBB will pattern well at 50 yds. With the modified.
My kicks HF modified throws my pattern low, and my factory full choke throws a tighter pattern with bb, 2, and 4 steel. Shooting a mossberg 835 so my constriction in a full choke is about like a improved cylinder in most other guns. I think the 835 was made for steel shot
That ESU education is coming in handy
Interesting results. I shoot the Benelli standard modified for everything. Kill birds at long or short distance., 3 inch #3 or 31/2 inch BB.steel. choke doesn't seem to be much issue.
hey bro. glad ur stickin with the youtube. most pple i start watchin fwindle out pertty quick so its nice to have a steady channel. have fun and kill some shit. easley sc
I think that the wind was a factor with your shot leaning towards the left
I have a three nock choke it has a full choke modified choke and a cylinder choke all together it works great
You need to switch to federal blue box with 2-3/4" bb I get 85% at 40 yards out of a stock mod choke and with 3" bb I get 80% at 40 yards with the same stock choke. Just a suggestion it's worked really well for me and I run mossbergs for geese which I know you used to.
adirondack rebel that’s awesomely satisfying to have patterns like that. Sure instilles confidence
My patternmaster anaconda long range is $$$$ with steel shot, definitely would recommend it for ducks and would never go back to a flush choke
You should consider trying a Carlson choke. I have the long range black cloud version. Unbelievable difference from stock choke. A lot less cripples as well
BandJoe Outdoors Carlson chokes shoot high. Any gun the I've used one on and hold dead center hits about 4 inches above dead center.
I found that my Carlson also shoots high and to the left a little even with several different shell manufactures.
William Peacock yep I've had several people use the choke on their gun and does the same. The only choke I can say that works the best is their coyote dead choke.
@@williampeacock9670 it might be your stock needing a shim
And I’ve chosen Carlson tubes over the years in many different guns and they’ve been great..their blackcloud extended midrange at both ends measured exactly the same as my factory extended Benelli Cordoba Mod did. Carlson Tubes Rock
Good comparison. After watching your other pattering video it looks like Benelli makes better factories chokes than Winchester/Browning...
Great video man keep it up
Is it required to have a 3.5” gun for duck hunting? I have a beretta A300 and it chambers 3”
Have you done a video with the full choke that comes with the gun?
Opinion on muzzle break effect ? Thank you.
I’d use the winny choke, the shot is flying straight, the high flyer is definitely low and left probably causing you to cripple more birds than clean kills
Nice comparison. Thanks for doing that. Good luck turkey hunting.
Good video. Make more fishing videos and looking forward to some turkey hunting brother
Nice video brother. Very informative.
Great video keep up the good work. Could you do a review on waders and floater decoys?
I have a three nock choke which is full modified and cylinder choke
What are you talking about
3” #3 or 4’s all you need
I wanted a .665 extended turkey choke for my 870 and the JellyHead chokes were $60. I found an H.S. Strut Undertaker on sale for $12 and with #6 3in. mag turkey loads I can blow a turkey's head clean off at 70 paces, I just don't believe a $60 choke can do any better.
88 bbs is what I counted before in 3 1/2 bb shot Winchester
Another great video! I need to take my guns out and get them patterned here... maybe if spring ever comes up here in Wisconsin. Lol
Could you help? I want to know where can I buy an extended choke full for my winchester sx4, thanks for your help
I shoot an improved cylinder out of my sx3 and it patterns great but I also shoot hevi metal #2
Good info. Unless your turkey hunting, I think you’ll be ok wing shooting waterfowl and cripples in the water.
I use a kicks high flyer mod in my Beretta.
Interesting note... I put the calipers to the Kicks and my factory tubes. The Kicks is a little more open than my factory IC and significantly more open than my factory mod and full.
I’m not gonna pattern my Kicks for fear of getting the same, off one way or another results you had. I’d start overthinking it. Just use what your confident in.
Use a improved modified choke on the Winchester works good all around with any shot.
Me and my buddy both have sx4 i shoot a patternmaster code black he had a kicks highflyer. I dont know if he just had a bad choke but his broke inside of his gun and bulged the barrel.
hello. when you use 3 1/2 shell use the imp cylinder or cylinder if youyour barrel are 28"
why?
When I patterned my beneli I was shocked on how few shot hit the center, even with full choke
You have to aim 😝
Nice video. I'm looking at getting a kicks full or extra full. I've done a lot of patterning with my sx3 and maxus. IMOP I've learned BB is the worst load after patterning. You have super tight patterns at decoyed ranges and really open patterns at 40 yds. Kent 1 shot with a full choke is my favorite long range load. Or has a full pattern and larger pellets. Otherwise, you can't go wrong with 2 shot. I'd be curious to see how that kicks would work with 2 shot.
FYI - I spent a lot of time and money this last winter with my SX3 26" barrel along with a Kicks HF Full and a Pure Gold Mod...I used 7 different brands all 3.5 BB & #2...Pure Gold from 20 - 40yds...Kicks 30 - 50yds...Out of my setup, Kent Silver Steel #2 was far and above...Only Hevi Steel #2 was even close to the Silver Steel...Oh, and by the way, the Silver Steel #2 was the only shell tested that would penetrate a pallet at 30 and 40yds. As someone else had stated, the shot string is also quite important when you want to kill something other than paper. Just food for thought.
Just bought an sx4 3.5 today will be taking it out in turkey woods Tom which choke is best for turkeys that come with gun? Thanks
Kicks charges $40 per choke at their warehouse. Someone has a big markup somewhere.
The best money I've spent on a choke is JEBs chokes.... $100 and worth every penny for their High Voltage and Headhunter....
I love my JEBs but for the browning/winchester invector plus chokes, they aren't compensated for the backbored barrel. It's easy to over choke them and blow out a pattern. In my INV+ guns I run Carlson Cremator mid range and it is devastating put to 55 yards.
Good info. Thank you
I just use the chokes that came with my supernova. Might get a kicks to see what happens. Hey, you shirt...Sitka??
Does the sx4 take browning invector plus choke or just the browning invector choke?
Why not use smaller shot size for ducks? #2s should work fine and you get alot more shot per shell.
Half choke for everything . Shell type is more important than choke. AA sporting shot
using on screen count , not synopsis
of 89, 84 BB's %94 at 20 yards, vs %41 or 37 BB's at 40 yards = freE choke ,
of 89, 80 BB's %89 at 20 yards, vs %45 or 40 BB's at 40 yards = kick choke
You cannot be consistent without a solid rest. To shoot at 40 yds you need a bigger target area to see where all of the pellets hit.
shot string at 40 yards could be up to 15 feet long with regular chokes. The wad stripping chokes like Kicks and Patternmaster shorten that dramatically...
Nice Video! Is there a chance that you could do another video on cooking duck/goose?
Would like to know if the difference at 40 yards is due to the kicks being extended past the barrel end
It dosent affect i have the same choke same shells same gun
Good job! How old is the barn?
Why are pattering freehand. You need a steady rest to be consistent
Freehand, 20mph gusts, and only two rounds each. Take it for what it’s worth.
Great review
Next time use shooting sticks, chair or table. That way your test is more accurate and repeatable.
To do this right you need to do it 10 times for each choke tube because there's a 10% to 20% variation shot to shot among 10 patterns shot. 2 or 3 is meaningless. And use a bench rest...
You should realize that the aftermarket chokes Like kicks , patternmaster, improve your shot string considerably, shot booth chokes over water and you will see the difference
This is bull. No evidence to back it up. In my experience the factory chokes pattern nearly identical with no extra cost. Unfortunately I can't provide you a pic of the pattern
Nothing is free homie.
What's a "better" shot string?
Ideally, "square". A 30 inch circle, 30 inches long. This is what wad stripper chokes like Patternmaster and Kick's do...in theory. I think the idea of a 15 foot long shot string is a little much. Maybe at 80 yards.
@@jayjdietrich 30x30x30 seems like a big block to throw at moving birds, but in reality, you have to be pretty spot on. A 15 foot shot string seems helpful when the target is moving 40 mph 35 yards away.
When are you going live again
All you are doing here is seeing which choke is tighter. If you want tighter shoot a full choke. You need to look at uniformity of the pattern when comparing chokes of the same restriction.
I think if someone NEEDS an expensive choke like that they need to spend some time at the range or finish the birds properly
Granted I haven't done my due diligence, but hey... I can put em down pretty good.
Kicks is the constriction for steel Winchester for lead so your not comparing two modified chokes. A little more research needed me thinks
Thats why I use 3 shot. 3" #3 with mod kicks in my stoeger. No bird stands a chance from 10-70 yards.
Anyone tried kicks full choke on winchester sx4??
I got one I'm still learning on it were mostly pass shooting I no when it hits she hits hard
I wonder if the Kicks choke is just putting a tighter pattern out or actually holding its pattern longer...
Are flamboeu duck decoys a good buy?
Depends on what decoys you buy. I bought 2 dozen Storm Front 2 mallard decoys this past season. They have stood up to a lot of abuse. Their paint is also pretty realistic and holds up pretty well. Its nice to use them as filler decoys as well because they are so cheap. I got 1 dozen Dakota Mallards that I use in the main hole but fill up the edges with the Flambeaus. So yes, they are a good buy.
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Yes
There is no standard for the choke ratings. Choke makers label their chokes however they choose. Shoot whichever ones pattern the way you want. If factory one is good, shoot it. Why pay for an after market one?
Pattern the rest of your choke tubes, if the Kick's is the only one hitting left then it's probably been poorly machined and isn't centered in the barrel..
Double bb don’t pattern well
I don’t know...
The problem are the shells. Switch to something else.. i know experts are cheap but open them up look at the shot you will see
Probably behind we're just talkin modified versus modified with no relevance to constriction or bore sizes period pretty much makes the whole thing ill relevant
Really doesnt seem worth it for $70 unless you constantly shoot at long ranges.
Is the expensive choke worth the money? NO. I can decapitate a turkey at 70 paces consistently with a $15 Carlson .665 turkey choke with no.6 turkey loads.
Really ? Thats my duck load in 3 !/2 in magnum
Well my chokes are crematores
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You did it wrong. Factory mod isn't mod for steel. That's a lead mod constriction. The kicks is a steel mod constriction. Next time spend a few hours educating yourself before wasting time like this.