As far as i know you are the first person to compare these and you did an awesome job. I will have to try this with my shotgun and see how it patterns with different shells and shot size. Not every gun is the same. This is why it is so important for all duck hunters to test patterns. And i will test more then once like you did, to make sure i didn't pull left or right. If both shots are left then i know its the choke. I would redo the test, but it is still good what you did. Hats off to you!!!!
There goes all the neighborhood deer😂🐿 i like my Carlson Creamator w/HEAVY METAL 3" #3's 1-1/4oz in my Berretta Outlander. Every gun is diffent with different chokes an different shot shell combinations. RND RND. 🎯🦆 Good video thanks agian looking foward to more WATERFOWL WENDSDAYs👍
Love your content, keep it up! I just wanna say though that I see a lot of videos like this where the tighter pattern is seen as the better pattern. But, in my mind, if you want a tighter pattern you can always go to a tighter choke, a mod is supposed to be reasonably open and I’d almost be tempted to say that the factory pattern had less holes from what I could see. Just food for thought.
Very true, but it was just a test to see how they each performed with the same shell, and which had the better pattern, a mod is supposed to be be a more open pattern, but it’s also important to see what’s actually on target and what’s just stray shot. Thanks for watching!!
I believe in the aftermarket. I personally use the Patternmaster. All has to do with the shotgun/shell combo but as for the factory stuff... not a fan. Awesome video!
Having a sbe3 it’s hard to decide weather to get a aftermarket choke since I have factory extended chokes that do an awesome job even if I’m shooting at doves or ducks. But man what a difference
shoot a full choke in factory vs Mod Aftermarket. thinking they will be the same. I see the biggest differences in shot size. Really interesting to see
Aftermarket looks good at 40 but wonder which one looks bettw3r inside 40 yrds. I take alot of shots between 20 and 30 yrds. and actually had to go fron aftermarket to factory modified or improved do to it being too tight. But looks good for longer shots!
That's solid man, finally an answer to answer my question, I'm new to hunting and people making sound like I won't be able to kill anything if I did not have an extended choke ! I'm so confused how to hunt man, I rather shoot between 20 and 30 yards away I'm thinking sticking with factory and use first improved cylinder see how it works and if not I'll use modified
In my opinion, a factory modified choke is perfectly fine to shoot ducks with, you don’t by any means have to have a aftermarket choke to hunt with it…. A aftermarket choke is just one of those things most hunters grow into after a awhile.. I shot a factory modified choke out of my guns for over 15 years before I decided to experiment with aftermarket chokes.. I will say this, I would NOT use a improved cylinder for ducks… a modified is a good all around choke.. that’s what I recommend..
@@BlackBeltProduction ok solid, I'll switch up first to modified , I got to say man I need more practice, first year hunting and all this is confusing to me, I have a Girsan 12 gauge semi and I love it, but I noticed , different shot shell companies patterns differently but I noticed blue box federals seem to be better, and I thought all shots are the same just different brand names, so for now i feel more comfortable to shoot flying birds at a closer range, so 3" 2s modifide I'll be using
@@BlackBeltProduction man since you know your things and seriouse hunter, why don't you make a video educating on how to lead on shooting flying ducks!
I know this is kinda late but I got a Mossberg 500 with a 24inch barrel thats ported but on the kicks website its recommended that not for use with "ported chokes" does that mean the same thing as the barrel being ported? But the way I'm thinking in my head if I can find the rite extended choke tube it should make a difference on really hammering the bird. Instead of buying a 28inch barrel. Thought s
Yea I would probably use a nonported choke. The guys at kicks are really good guys you ca always call them they will get you the proper choke for your set up
@@BlackBeltProduction I do like the carlson's, they are good. I live 20 miles from the JEBs facility, and they invite me to come pattern mine against theirs...needless to say I recommend them any chance I get.
Just purchased a kicks high flyer and tested it against my factory mod on my beretta . Factory mod has double the numbers of the kicks . Highly disappointed. Federal blue box #2’s at 40 and 25
Definentaly getting this but I have a question, what model did you get for this because we have a franchi affinity 3 too and I would like to order the correct model? Did you get a benelli model or what?
Good comparison between a factory and aftermarket choke tube for longer shots at 40 yards. The Kicks performs better no doubt (based on the pattern of the factory modified, if that was a shot on a duck you would have a downed bird though). I would venture to say 95% of my shots on ducks are between 15-25 yards. At those distances, you don't want too tight of a pattern (imo). I've seen many ducks that were shot in half at close range which destroys the meat in the process. I've killed plenty of ducks with a factory modified over 35+ years with 3 guns (Remington 870, Remington 1187, and Benelli SBE II). That being said, if my hunting situations consisted of more pass shooting at birds in the 40 yard range, I would seriously look at an aftermarket choke tube. I found it interesting the full choke did not perform substantially better than the modified. As a consumer, I would be a little upset. Another good video. Do you happen to know how many pellets are in each shell?
What is the construction of the factory mod vs the aftermarket ? Don’t think that is comparing apples to apples. I’d be willing to bet the factory full is the same as the kicks modified
It very well may be, the chokes don’t say what the restriction is on them, I simply did the test to see if a after market modified was better than a factory modified that was all.... for the reason that some people say aftermarket ain’t worth it..
@@BlackBeltProduction what aftermarket companies do is take the constrictions of their chokes and decrease the bore to say they are tighter. When in reality, they are calling a full, a modified. Put your factory full in and the kicks modified and I bet they perform very similar
@@BlackBeltProduction 11/4oz no2 156 pellets payload.Kicks HF Mod 85% Full 86% pattern which means your modified is throwing a very very tight full choke pattern!Modified should only give 60%@40yrds!Full 70%You certainly have a magical gun shell combo there bud,I wouldnt be in a hurry to part with it!!
As far as i know you are the first person to compare these and you did an awesome job. I will have to try this with my shotgun and see how it patterns with different shells and shot size. Not every gun is the same. This is why it is so important for all duck hunters to test patterns. And i will test more then once like you did, to make sure i didn't pull left or right. If both shots are left then i know its the choke. I would redo the test, but it is still good what you did. Hats off to you!!!!
Thanks for watching
There goes all the neighborhood deer😂🐿 i like my Carlson Creamator w/HEAVY METAL 3" #3's 1-1/4oz in my Berretta Outlander. Every gun is diffent with different chokes an different shot shell combinations. RND RND. 🎯🦆
Good video thanks agian looking foward to more WATERFOWL WENDSDAYs👍
Thanks for watching buddy!
Love your content, keep it up! I just wanna say though that I see a lot of videos like this where the tighter pattern is seen as the better pattern. But, in my mind, if you want a tighter pattern you can always go to a tighter choke, a mod is supposed to be reasonably open and I’d almost be tempted to say that the factory pattern had less holes from what I could see. Just food for thought.
Very true, but it was just a test to see how they each performed with the same shell, and which had the better pattern, a mod is supposed to be be a more open pattern, but it’s also important to see what’s actually on target and what’s just stray shot. Thanks for watching!!
First again!!! HOLY HELL!!! I’m sold on it Alan definitely
True Southern Waterfowler .... 🤣
@@DuckalopeOutdoors gotta be quicker
Aftermarket is where it’s at
I believe in the aftermarket. I personally use the Patternmaster. All has to do with the shotgun/shell combo but as for the factory stuff... not a fan. Awesome video!
Thanks bud
Having a sbe3 it’s hard to decide weather to get a aftermarket choke since I have factory extended chokes that do an awesome job even if I’m shooting at doves or ducks. But man what a difference
Hey I agree with you shoot it on paper and see what kind of results you get!
Okay so now I have to go pattern test the Kicks MOD, X Full and Jebs High Voltage. Great comparison
Thanks bud
You should pattern your after market vs the factory
shoot a full choke in factory vs Mod Aftermarket. thinking they will be the same. I see the biggest differences in shot size. Really interesting to see
Thanks for watching
Thats a massive difference.
Yes it is!!
Kent is my go to load. Tried the heavy hammer didn't like the pattern at all especially for the extra money they cost
Thanks for watching!!
Aftermarket looks good at 40 but wonder which one looks bettw3r inside 40 yrds. I take alot of shots between 20 and 30 yrds. and actually had to go fron aftermarket to factory modified or improved do to it being too tight. But looks good for longer shots!
Well you know if it’s tight at 40 it’s going to be tighter at closer range
That's solid man, finally an answer to answer my question, I'm new to hunting and people making sound like I won't be able to kill anything if I did not have an extended choke ! I'm so confused how to hunt man, I rather shoot between 20 and 30 yards away I'm thinking sticking with factory and use first improved cylinder see how it works and if not I'll use modified
In my opinion, a factory modified choke is perfectly fine to shoot ducks with, you don’t by any means have to have a aftermarket choke to hunt with it…. A aftermarket choke is just one of those things most hunters grow into after a awhile.. I shot a factory modified choke out of my guns for over 15 years before I decided to experiment with aftermarket chokes.. I will say this, I would NOT use a improved cylinder for ducks… a modified is a good all around choke.. that’s what I recommend..
@@BlackBeltProduction ok solid, I'll switch up first to modified , I got to say man I need more practice, first year hunting and all this is confusing to me, I have a Girsan 12 gauge semi and I love it, but I noticed , different shot shell companies patterns differently but I noticed blue box federals seem to be better, and I thought all shots are the same just different brand names, so for now i feel more comfortable to shoot flying birds at a closer range, so 3" 2s modifide I'll be using
@@BlackBeltProduction man since you know your things and seriouse hunter, why don't you make a video educating on how to lead on shooting flying ducks!
I know this is kinda late but I got a Mossberg 500 with a 24inch barrel thats ported but on the kicks website its recommended that not for use with "ported chokes" does that mean the same thing as the barrel being ported? But the way I'm thinking in my head if I can find the rite extended choke tube it should make a difference on really hammering the bird. Instead of buying a 28inch barrel. Thought s
Yea I would probably use a nonported choke. The guys at kicks are really good guys you ca always call them they will get you the proper choke for your set up
@@BlackBeltProduction ok thanks boss. Btw just subscribed. Love the content found ya through searching DIY jon boat blind yours by far was the best
Thanks man, I appreciate the support
Get a JEBs High Voltage and throw the rest of your chokes away.
No thank you, I shoot a Carlsons now, and I really like it.
@@BlackBeltProduction I do like the carlson's, they are good.
I live 20 miles from the JEBs facility, and they invite me to come pattern mine against theirs...needless to say I recommend them any chance I get.
I don’t blame you!
Just purchased a kicks high flyer and tested it against my factory mod on my beretta . Factory mod has double the numbers of the kicks . Highly disappointed. Federal blue box #2’s at 40 and 25
I hate to hear that, but every gun and choke combo aren’t the same...
Definentaly getting this but I have a question, what model did you get for this because we have a franchi affinity 3 too and I would like to order the correct model? Did you get a benelli model or what?
Yes it’s the new affinity made by Benelli
Good comparison between a factory and aftermarket choke tube for longer shots at 40 yards. The Kicks performs better no doubt (based on the pattern of the factory modified, if that was a shot on a duck you would have a downed bird though).
I would venture to say 95% of my shots on ducks are between 15-25 yards. At those distances, you don't want too tight of a pattern (imo). I've seen many ducks that were shot in half at close range which destroys the meat in the process. I've killed plenty of ducks with a factory modified over 35+ years with 3 guns (Remington 870, Remington 1187, and Benelli SBE II). That being said, if my hunting situations consisted of more pass shooting at birds in the 40 yard range, I would seriously look at an aftermarket choke tube.
I found it interesting the full choke did not perform substantially better than the modified. As a consumer, I would be a little upset.
Another good video. Do you happen to know how many pellets are in each shell?
I don’t know, how many pellets are in each shell I didn’t dig that deep into it
does any of these chokes tame the recoil at all if you could please send us some insight?
They both help with muzzle jump not much on recoil in my opy
@@BlackBeltProduction much thanks
Thanks for watching
You dropped one of your chokes at 3:00 😂
It looked like it, but it was actually the rubber cap that goes over the threads for protecting the threads while they are in the case lol
Shoot number 4 shot it will fill in those gaps do a pattern test with it and what gun do you like best the v3 or the franchi?
I really like them both.. but I like the Franchi better bc it’s inertia operated instead of gas and is a little bit lighter
@@BlackBeltProduction 👍
@@brandonsmith8688 try different brands of shells rio shells work good for me
What is the construction of the factory mod vs the aftermarket ? Don’t think that is comparing apples to apples. I’d be willing to bet the factory full is the same as the kicks modified
It very well may be, the chokes don’t say what the restriction is on them, I simply did the test to see if a after market modified was better than a factory modified that was all.... for the reason that some people say aftermarket ain’t worth it..
@@BlackBeltProduction what aftermarket companies do is take the constrictions of their chokes and decrease the bore to say they are tighter. When in reality, they are calling a full, a modified. Put your factory full in and the kicks modified and I bet they perform very similar
Your right, but I won’t be doing that test, since you can’t shoot steel through a factory full choke, but I get what your saying
@@BlackBeltProduction that’s a myth my friend.
That’s fact... done it... had to have the choke removed by a gunsmith and barre had to be re threaded.. don’t try it
What choke and shell combination did you shoot out of your V3?
I shot the kicks high flyer Mod/ and a Full from time to time. And shit Kent fast steel 2.0 number 3’s due to abundant availability
@@BlackBeltProduction ever try Black Cloud with the High Flyer?
Yea I shot it a few times, it’s performed well
@@BlackBeltProduction I really like my V3. Softest recoiling shotgun I’ve ever had. I do like my Benelli M2 20 gauge tho too
Yea I don’t shoot mine as much as I used too, since I bought my Franchi 2 seasons ago, but I plan to use it some this year.
First
Are you hunting the delta area?
Some here and there
@@BlackBeltProduction I gotcha. I hunt the tensaw quite a bit
I like it down there, I try it hunt it a few times each season
Shot size?
#2
@@BlackBeltProduction I should have asked shot size and payload?I'd like to work out the pattern percentage
#2 with 1 1/4 oz shot
@@BlackBeltProduction 11/4oz no2 156 pellets payload.Kicks HF Mod 85% Full 86% pattern which means your modified is throwing a very very tight full choke pattern!Modified should only give 60%@40yrds!Full 70%You certainly have a magical gun shell combo there bud,I wouldnt be in a hurry to part with it!!
Cool!! You the shot shell mathematician lol
I see more big gaps in the kicks
It’s not about the gaps it’s about the amount shot on target down range
@@BlackBeltProduction ok, do what u want lol
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