Rare footage of Debating with Tsem Rinpoche!
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
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NEVER-BEFORE-SEEN mind-blowing footage of His Eminence Tsem Rinpoche debating with his students. Watch Rinpoche debate with such passion, clarity in logic, sharpness and quickness, and ultimately, it is Rinpoche's compassion in helping the students realize their own shortcomings and overcome it.
This is real guru teaching real spirituality.
The "aggressiveness", the hand slapping is to throw the debater off balance, to train them to focus their minds and regardless of the distractions in front of you, be able to answer the question in an accurate and convincing manner. The hand slapping is also to provoke the person answering, for them to become aware of their ego which manifests during the debate (in the form of, for example, the need to win, as opposed to learning). This ego impedes their ability to answer clearly, thus the exercise also trains them to be aware of this and to subdue this.
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He is challenging people and their false securities. I am humbled after learning of his death today. He is a true pioneer in the human existence. Namo Amitofu !!!
Thank you so much for the kind words. You can check out more of Rinpoche's works on his blog www.tsemrinpoche.com
The power of this style of debate is amazing. Seeing how it can cut striaght through your ego in such a short space of time and make you realise your faults and motivate to overcome them is awe-inspiring. Thanks for sharing.
HI Luke. I think perhaps you'll like this too. Check it out www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/debate-with-tsem-rinpoche.html .
This felt so confrontational for me in the beginning. But as I watched and listened I realised this is ultimate compassion. Or true unconditional love. Not in the corny airy way but being truthful with someone with no conditions. It actually gives the individual the opportunity to improve themselves by shining light or awareness on their own blind spots. If you are deceiving yourself they are giving you the memo to realise that and that to me is an ultimately compassionate act. But in my culture that has been seen as being mean for some reason… where as telling the person a lie and saying “no you are just trying you will get there, life has been hard for you don’t worry about it”. That is seen as compassionate when it is actually encouraging the continuity of your own ignorance
This is one of oldest Tibetan spiritual form of debating so that we all can transform and attain realisation of Relative and the ultimate truth ..Which is the ultimmate Wisdom ...Buddhahood..
Its really too hard bcoz Rinpoches and lamas or monk have trained years n years for this ...but
Thank you Rinpoche for the inspiration knowledge
Everyone has to begin somewhere, he is Teaching them to think critically, to look at their own illusions & make mistakes no more..... this is good practice.
BECAUSE, Not bcoz, one word that always slips your vocabulary.
Wow... Very Interesting Session..U guys very Lucky to had such a Great & Wonderful Guru👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Yes, we were :)
Superb teaching from Tsem Rinpoche!
Its has provoked me to think more and deeper about myself & about what am I doing currently. Does it benefit me? Am I using it? Why? Why? & Why?
There are so much works to do to transform ourselves. We must not wait and try, we have to work it out with full force, be quick to pick up and responsive when we have failed.
This debate is the reason why people need to know what they believe and why............No assuming.
Also, The immense kindness of Tsem Rinpoche comes out in demonstrating (in lightness, not seriousness) the Sangha's funky thinking processes & showing it here...........
Your friends show you your errors, Enemy's don't.
E MA HO indeed
Yes the lama is kindest assassin of our Egos. I recently told even the Thai Buddhist tradition they engage in some form of debate though I have ot found anything on it yet. Nice to meet you here Stefos.
Wonderful footage! Tsem Rinpoche takes his student to heart with wisdom and compassion. A rare precious teacher!
WOW! What a rare treat indeed. I must have done something good to encounter this. I rejoice I rejoice I rejoice! May Tsem Rinpoche have long happy and healthy life in order to continue his magnificent work with transforming countless sentient beings through Buddha Dharma with such skillful means, out of his beginning less compassion, wisdom, and supernatural power. Tsem Rinpoche is truly and example to emulate. Many blessings and dedications of merit to you Rinpoche. Namaste!
live for others makes you happier : that is essentially what Guan Yin's compassion is in a nutshell
Very enlightening and skillful way of teaching dharma. Never thought that tsem tulku would turn out to be benefiting lot of people via dharma.
dorjee tenzin Hello, did you know of Tsem Rinpoche prior to this?
Tsem Rinpoche it is really important to ask questions I really like the way your teach to your students and it's very important to one's mind not only to believe whatever the teachers say they might be wrong.Some religion I have a lot of questions to ask but I couldn't there is no freedom to questions.
Rinpoche la words are so enlightening , makes one question themselves their purpose and how much do one want to give others. Thank u
Love God Yes, with logic and reasoning we can expand on how we view things
What a beautiful hearted teacher. I love him.
+Erdem Çalışkan . Hello Erdem Çalışkan, thanks for your feedback. Yes, His Eminence the 25th Tsem Rinpoche is a very compassionate teacher indeed. Please visit His Eminence the 25th Tsem Rinpoche’s blog for more inspiration:www.tsemrinpoche.com
The real debate is supposed to be done by 2 monks and not layperson. And they have to speak based on the scriptures of the Vajrayana tradition and not just casual Q & A. But thanks for the rare example in English nevertheless.
Not true. I've seen a monk debate lay before.
The philosophical debate is meant for everyone both monks and lay people
This is a great way to learn, and overcome ego!
Well said, the debate is not about winning, but discovering the truth.
Thanks very much for sharing
I wish i was one of them sitting in front of him. I kind'a feel he can transform me. I would be true and not get paused for sure and he will be surprised to know how stupid, insane and egoist I am. I need someone who could schuss me like he does because i'm always debating and full of intellectual garbage.
Thank you Ross for your nice comment, you may visit Rinpoche's website www.tsemrinpoche.com to learn more about many other transformational teachings that Rinpoche taught.
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Thanx. I will definitely go for 'em. Long live Tsem Rinpoche...
A clear light🙏 😊 a true Guru will bring realisation and protect his disciple at the same time. 🙏
This was a very enlightening video, and it has made me consider the action of 'using' anything. Very nice.
Awesome! thank you. I always wanted to know how this was done!
Glad you like it Jay..me too, its awesome,..I found this link like to share with you. www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/students-friends/debating-with-kandarohi.html.
38:31 I love that reveresal made by Venerable, a person who has become Buddha would never say he is the Buddha, Buddha has no differentiation, illusions of grandeur/false visions, or attachments that is the 3 core elements of Buddha.
Buddha is also selfless, obtained all wisdom, mission to end suffering of other beings.
Seems like you have learnt a great deal here. Do join us in our weekly blogchat here www.tsemrinpoche.com/chat. your knowledge can be shared and benefit others..
Makes me want to debate myself internally. Very helpful for my slow mind - Josh A.
While I do not agree with Rinpoche's stance on a certain protector, I absolutely love and deeply appreciate his teaching technique in this video.
As practitioners, we often think that when we sit in front of our Lama or Rinpoche, take notes diligently, and do our practice, we some how "got it." Tsem Rinpoche's questioning reminds us that we must still examine ourselves and our Dharma. We must still question ourselves and those around us.
Debate is a beautiful thing!
Lovely debate. Thanks for sharing
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We love you Rinpoche!
HI Dave, do check out here for more www.tsemrinpoche.com
The whole debate is him saying are you trying to practice Dharma.
My answer is this:
II only try when it doesn't hurt. but it does hurt. It hurts because I am trying to get an effect when the cause isn't there. It works if I dont add painful thoughts. But I add painful thoughts
I want the effect because life is short.
Consequential reasoning
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I do not understand the results of actions are definate.
I do not have faith
Why am I here if I dont have faith?
Response
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Because I can see somethings Buddha said are true but not others
Because I can see that familiarity is the solution
Because I believe that I will see everything Buddha said is true because he does not lie
Consequential reasoning
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if Buddha does not lie why do you not believe your actions will produce the effects
basically Im digging a hole for myself!!!
Eternalricemuncher, thank you for watching this video and sharing your straightforward points yet valid perspective. Please do visit His Eminence the 25th Tsem Rinpoche's blog at www.tsemrinpoche.com for more inspiration. Thanks.
I am seeing this in English first time. Somehow, my impression is that it will be perhaps more useful if the line of engagement is not about being defensive, but motivated or inspired by the joy in discovering new level of seeing and grasping the truth of existence.
you are BEST BEST BEST TEACHER because your way to teaching is so unique ..love from india
Please, set up the language in English so I could get automatic English subtitles 🙏
Does Tsem Rinpoche debate often & if so is it possible to publish written transcripts on the blog?
Examples of how the monks debate are very rare as they all debate in Tibetan, yet it is a very big part of what they do. I feel if we were able to learn the structure...although it is hard to organise a debate, we can use what we learn to debate ourselves in meditation, challenge and question ourself.I feel I cannot use this video as the audio is not clear. I hope Tsem Rinpoche or other monks who debate will provide an example published online that we can all benefit from
I've been doing Manjushris mantra and Yamantaka came to me in my meditation and showed me bestowed his name apon me.
He speaks Singlish (Singaporean English).
Hi Nathaniel, thank you for your comment. Did you enjoy the video? Please come to visit Tsem Rinpoche's offical blog www.tsemrinpoche.com, there are lots of useful information and interesting topics sharing with all kind of readers.
Nathaniel Bartholomew
I think so....
Proverbs 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and the one who is wise saves lives.
Rare Metta
That's why I like Buddhism because one can debate and ask questions not only to blind faith and believe just like other religions.Tsem Rinpoche you are really great Lama I wish I was there and receive your teaching. I don't like the idea of other religions because we could not ask questions we have to completely beleive whatever they say like dumb animal.
I heard he passed away from illness. May his samsara be broken and he would go to a better place, but if he has to reincarnate he should come back as another Lama teacher. He looked like he may have suffered complications of type II diabetes. May God bless his eternal soul....
He had diabetes?
There is only 1 reason to learn Tibetan Buddhism, to become Buddha in this life or come back and try again from where you left off.
any other reason strays from the path.
Yes the ultimate reason to practice Buddhism is become awake so that, we don't suffer anymore nor cause suffering for others. In the Lamrim, the small scope refers to the motivation to practice is to have better future lives, as with a birth in the higher realms we might have a chance to carry on practicing, much less chances or zero if we have rebirth in the lower realms. Then the medium scope is for the motivation of those working for self liberation, and lastly the great scope for people working to be a Buddha.
But why is he clapping so many times...🤨🙄🤔😮
Hi Goldy. All movements portrayed by Rinpoche here during the debate has meaning. When Rinpoche asks the responder question, at the end of each question he claps his right hand down onto his left hand. The right hand represents compassion amd altruistic intention and the left hand represents wisdom. Bringing the two hands signifies that it's through the combination of compassion and wisdom that one can eliminate the wrong view from one's mind. Hope this helps. Do check out Rinpoche's blog for other interesting topics at www.tsemrinpoche.com
@@kailynnteh4703 Ohhhh... Thanks.. Something Unique about this Monk...🙏
The clapping of hands was really annoying, was that a test or he did that so people would be afraid?
wow
Marek Cieslik Hi, Come check out tsem rinpoche's blog www.tsemrinpoche.com , This link www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/students-friends/debating-with-kandarohi.html see howTsem Rinpoche debating briefly about habituation, responsibility and imprints.
@@shanepui Thanks Shane - looking forward to hearing news of Tsem Rinpoche's return.
WHAT debate ? He is screaming his head off !! No one else is behaving like this "peaceful monk" 😅😆😆Imagine the Buddha talking like this
What is the point of debates like this?
I wish you were hugging me too. Although you hugging my heart is almost as good! Love Mary
Mary do check out Tsem Rinpoche's blog, there are quite a lot functions there and he updates the blog regularly. www,tsemrinpoche.com
Namo BUddhaya
What is the purpose of the clapping during debate?
I read somewhere that the dramatic clapping is to punctuate the end of the "question" - usually done by the challenger that is standing.
Pantomime symposium.
Ah, your finger points.
Sounds like Rangjung Nada
KIWG ACIMRadio Who is Rangjung Nada?
40:42 What's up with that action?
Hi Timo Arnaldo,
That's a gesture performed during a traditional Tibetan debate. The right hand represents the practice of compassion and the left hand represents wisdom. When the two hands come together, it represents wisdom and compassion (method) combining.
Normally, the gesture is performed when standing up so the hand gesture is accompanied by a foot stomp. When the foot stomps, that represents the door to rebirth in the lower levels being shut.
Then, the Challenger presses down with the left arm (wisdom), representing the door to all rebirth being pressed shut. The right hand is used to raise up the mala (rosary) around the left arm. This represents our practice of compassion becoming successful in raising all suffering beings out of cyclical existence (death and rebirth).
Thank you
The reaction was funny😂
@@milkandspice1074 totally unexpected!
@@tsemrinpoche oh no, I didn't mean the gesture. I was referring to the guy that startled you when he clapped his hands. Why did he make the gesture when he wasnt standing up during the debates?
36:38 I use the Dharma like a survivalist tossed in a Jungle use his swiss army knife to survive, can Dharma make your life easier? most certainly BUT only if you give back to the community will you reap the benefits, Dharma's not going to shower you with gold from the sky of you sitting there doing nothing...
Dharma is like an infinite tool / swiss army knife, the best in fact.... however once our life comes to an end, we too have to let these go or we cannot exit the 6 realms because clinging onto the Dharma then is a form of greed, at the very least become Arahat or Bodhi when we leave... and continue the right path towards Buddhahood.
Yes, we may have abandon the boat once we have crossed the river, otherwise the boat is a burden on land. It is not dharma that rewards, the dharma is the medicine, the dharma is what brings us closer to the realization of the reality we are in. Dharma does not reward or punish, we reap what we sow, which is karma, if we created good karma or merits, better things will happen for us.
You seem to have fear about not letting go of the dharma, at the point of death. Is that thought so scary for you?
This monk is dead,RIP 🙏 😪
The Dharma has the answer to everything, it is the individual who lacks the wisdom to absorb and understand the information
our 5 poisons: Greed, Anger/Hate, idiocracy, pride, suspicion get in the way of our own learning.
nobody else's fault but our own. if somebody answers with I don't know, it is either they haven't learn it or they've learnt it and their own notion of self is too heavy and their idiocracy is over 9000.
maybe pray to Manjuushri and do 1080 times Om Ara Ba Za Na Dei, might help
Indeed, karma (cause and effect) has its role here. Sometimes the negative karma just overwhelmed and hence it served like a veil from seeing the truth. Reciting Manjushri will help the person greatly but on top of that, we can help to dedicate to those whom you think will beneficial.
Or maybe the dharma isn't 100% correct? Life is all an i don't know amd that's OK.
Hahahahahahahahahahah I will never debate with people who scream!!!!
Jive Lamotta That’s the way Gelug monks debate on Buddhist philosophy. There’s meaning to every gestures in it, even the clapping. The clap signals to the respondent that it’s time for them to answer and they must make sure that they keep focusing and not be distracted. A way to train the mind to be calm always. Though it seems pretty entertaining to the others and especially us watching it, it is actually a serious matter and an important part of training for these monks.
I belong to the Kadyü! If EVER ones talk like this to me I will slap him into the face! And then he will be elightend immidiately! hahahahahahahahaha
Jive Lamotta You are such a high ego person, slapping a person who against you make you a good Buddhist and this is what you learn in Kadyu?
@@wildfeuer who is screaming?
@@wildfeuer does kagyu lineage people do their debate very quietly
Wow