Let's break it down: conically bored G Bugles. They produce crazy beautiful buzzy overtones that stack, then stack again, then stackstackstackstack until suddenly 50 moderately good buglers are louder than 80 very good B flat brass players. That's why *I* love these old school vids. You can still hear that quality in the recordings. That's doesn't make "old-school" better than modern corps, just...different. Louder. Buzzier. I miss that, I miss it a lot.
starstarstar42 I certainly agree. I would even say better because I played both and as lead soprano and soloist. But, when I played that G horn with that hornline something mystical, magical happened. It built something special with the audience that you couldn't tear down and it was memorable for the rest of the night, even year. And, there were more tears shed hearing and playing that G horn than the B flat! Believe that!!!!!!
@@Tapper7 BD used only King 2 valved G bugles in this performance. When three bangers were legalized King dropped out, which was a shame. The King K-series bugles were a lot better than the ones produced by Kanstul.
Tapper7 I played on Dynasty G bugles in 2000. In 2001, we moved to B flat Kanstul horns. It was as close to being as loud on G than any other horn. In fact, we were louder on the Kanstuls than the Dynasty’s.
As someone who marched BC in ‘18, the sound in this hot line is absolutely phenomenal, but I would love to hear more of the soloists, which is where I like that amplification has come into play in modern drum corps -change my mind
I really miss corps playing whole pieces of music like this without trying so hard to be clever with the arranging ... especially BD. I really miss them having one musical thought at a time... They are GREAT at what they do don't get me wrong, but I really wish they would stop with the A.D.D. music arranging.
Nope. All drum corps brass at the time was limited to 0, 1, or 2 valves and had to be bell front in the key of G. The 3rd valve wasn't added until the 1990 season...any key (which ended up being Bb for everything but the mellos, which are in F -- easier to tune, I think) not until 2000. The 2 valve "trumpet" is called a soprano bugle....because it plays the soprano voice in the brass choir.
@@samsignorelli no, thank you :) from a music perspective, this is in my top 5 shows. Of course there have been a lot of changes since the 80’s, but this was so far ahead of its time that it could hold up in today’s competitions.
Sitting in the stands at Grant field that night, I was pulling hard for the Devs to win. High Brass (tie), high drums, and high colorguard, but an unbelieveable second place to Garfield Cadets. I still can't believe that result. What a great show to listen to, year after year! Magnificent arrangements and stellar playing.
BD back in the day when DRUM CORPS WAS IN YOUR FREAKIN' FACE!!!!! ... No dancing, no chairs, just great MUSIC ...(not whole notes that last for 8 bars either) ... Someone should start a drum corps that is strictly OLD SCHOOL.
completely agree. the corps I marched with in the '70's folded after 1979 and I had a chance to start a new one with all the old equipment and uniforms, but a friend ruined it when he told them that we had to use the Thunderbolt name ( our old corps), so we lost out on all that stuff for FREE :( and I regret not being more aggressive and would still be doing drum corps today yet. the one condition was that we could not use the Thunderbolts name...I am still bummed. drum corps sucks now
If you look back to the 70s and 80s, corps had a distinct sound, none more so than the Blue Devils. The G bugle was an integral part of that sound. I also feel that modern drum corps are missing a distinct voice as well... the French horn.
A little fun fact re the opening trio. John Hendrikson -- far left -- was a complete rookie to drum corps...had never marched ANY corps before. We were in the San Diego State University Marching Aztecs in 83 and when he made BD, it inspired me to try out, even though I ALSO had never marched corps...hell, I'd never even marched a slide before I got to Concord! My only real regret at BD was not trying for the trio...the part I would've gone for was what Stymie (center) played....it was right in my range. but I declined to try for it, even though I HAD made the first cut for the Latin Implosion solo (back when it was a duet). Ah well...it would've been another great camera shot to go with the one I got in the opener.
@@agogobell28 Heh....I was actually a FOURTH soprano in that line! We doubled a lot of the parts to give proper support...I played a lot of the lead bari parts, as a matter of fact. For La Fiesta, tho...I remember a fair chink of lead sop parts an octave down, some unison lines, and a little harmony....probably the most independent parts of the entire show (independent of the other voices, that is).
In the 70s and 80s...first thing you thought about with BD was their horn line. Now, no so much. Wish they'd get back to that. Musical emphasis instead of visual.
As amazing at the Cadets were that year with West Side Story, my love was over the top for BD. I mean they owned it. No disrespect to Cadets, but BD was burning!
Steve "Stymie" Leanene....awesome player...we called his cam shot at the end "The Look," and seeing it on a replay on the way home was the first time I laughed since the show.
@DarmokandJiladLLP Because the songs time signature is all over the place and the piece is very difficult to even play standing still. My high school played this in 1986. We got thrid place in State in Texas. We had to stand still much of it due to time and difficulty. One of the greatest latin jazz songs. We were very good - but Blue Devils were amazing.
HOLY CRAP. I was checking out some Maynard on YT when La Fiesta came one. FRIGGIN memories. I had to search for this, Im so glad this is here thanx. I get chills
The only phasing I remember was between the brass and drums during one long halt in Latin Implosion (and yeah...it was bad), but that's about it. The last attack going into the last halt in the opener was kinda splattered. But other than that, I remember we all felt we'd had the golden show. GARFIELD thought they'd lost, tho.
Jon Nelson And in fact, since Garfield went on after us and HAD no concert set, and no one really had one in the 12 thereafter, we pretty much killed it.
@@samsignorelli This is '84. Cadets scored 98.4 that year. Don't get me wrong, This show, particularly this moment is LEGENDARY to me, but I believe you're wrong on Garfield's score in '84. That West Side Story show has been a favorite of mine forever - and I'm almost positive they scored a 98.4. I know it was very close though.
The reason the corps is not marching is because La Fiesta was their "concert" piece. Back in the 70's and 80's, Shows were broken up into 5 distinct sections.. The opener (or many corps referred to it as the "off the line"... harkening back to the days when all corps started on the goal line), The drum feature (where only the drums played... for an entire song), the ballad (self explanitory), the concert piece (literally "park and bark") and finally the closer.
Oh man....I LOVED playing this chart. I'm the soprano at the very top of the "horn" on tihe right side at the beginning of the vid. The crowd response from the field was deafening.
@bodyandsmarts Wow! Thank you! It was a blast to perform as a rook-out! The 2nd greatest day of my life was this show (the 1st being my wedding day, of course)
Hanging over was somewhat common in drum corps...Hunter Moss at Spirit of Atlanta did it all the time. I don't think anyone was ever ticked for it (meaning a score deduction), as it was part of the planned performance and not an actual mistake. If it would've been ticked, no corps director would allow a hangover, especially at finals in the tic era.
umm no... great soloist but they dont make doc look like a beginner. Doc will outplay anyone on this planet and he is almost 90 years old. and i bet doc can play louder then anyone on the planet too.
The baddest of badass Blue Devils. My God, what a horn line. The end of this piece has been kicking my ass for 25 years, with the middle horns, then the baritones come in on top of them with the sopranos screaming at the very end...plus that totally off-the-beat ensemble percussion part...wow. Terific arrangement and performance.
Wait.. where are the band instruments? The amped mics? The mics for the solos? The 3rd valves? The speakers for the pit? WTF is this... this isn't drum corps.
Hey Sam! I remember playing lead bari parts on my 2V King K-80 during the '07 BD/SCV Alum gig; playing "Free" was a dream come true for this Red Team alum. 8-D
This is the bygone era of corp playing, before nice Broadway musicals, glitter and fluff took over. I like to see the macho approach and leaving some blood on the field while entertaining the crowd. If you want to watch something colorful buy some tickets to Cats!!!
Nope....we didn't march mellos that year. The alto line was a mix of French horns (the solo) and flugels (which had the little feature right after Preston Howard finished his FH solo).
Steve "Stymie" Leanane....actually appeared at a BD camp last week. First tie anyone;s really seen him since he aged out in 85. Hopefully he;;l reconnect with everyone....STILL has that glare.
@ Panda44r....actually, I always felt Latin Implosion was our hardest chart, if only because I'd never marched in 5/4 before. La Fiesta was actually a pretty easy chart. @ youmarley...you're Mark Fowler's bro, huh?
@MarineBugler Well, you can lay the blame for the current state at the feet of George Hopkins. He is the vanguard of what is happening in DCI today. And he is one of the old school directors, so I dont understand why.
It's definitely a matter of opinion on what is "good" music. I agree with the older generation, music that has a meaning and feeling is what I qualify as good. I find it really hard to actually understand and get into any of BD's newer shows and it saddens me to see their talent used to cater to judging rather than fan enjoyment. Not to say anything against the members but recent BD shows have not been very captivating.
I got your removed comment in my YT inbox. You are correct 100% and sorry if my comment came off the wrong way. I love C because of the things you mention. Sure DC has changed significantly, and older members and fans may not appreciate that change, but ultimately it's about kids enjoying the experience and gathering the life lessons that DC imparts. Those things haven't changed in the last 90 years and should be looked upon favorably. That gets lost in the hub bub we see so often.
lol you've changed your "point" every comment. I'll clear this all up for you. I am in no way bashing the musicians in today's corps. Older shows were written much better and were far more captivating (you'll notice I used captivating to sum up my first comment and you just glanced right over that) than today's shows and that is what I appreciate about older corps. So you can stay angry and act like I'm insulting the entire activity or you can take my comments as they are.
God love the G bugle French Horns!!!! I know they were such difficult things to play, but MAN, there are about 5 guys from back then that could WAIL on those things. I believe that Renegades still march 3 or 4, in the Senior Corps circuit.
I marched the French with the Chicago Vanguard Sr Corps back in the late 80’s. Super easy to over blow (bell was pretty thin) and tough to keep in tune but fun to play.
For those saying the horn Dean Bull is playing at 0:54, or the solo Preston Howard is playing at 1:10 are a mellophone and a baritone....trust someone who was there (I'm the top point in the right hand "devil horn" at the beginning of the vid)....they're both French horns. BD didn't use mellos until 1986. The alto line in 84 was a mix of Frenchies and flugelhorns (the flugs played the feature after Preston's solo) Sam Signorelli Soprano, 1984 Blue Devils
No...That was Stymie. I wanted to audition for the trio -- and had I gotten it, it WOULD'VE been me in the middle -- but I didn't go for it...don't remember why, as I DID try for the duet in "Latin Implosion" (back when Duane's solo WAS a duet) (2nd chart in the show) and made the first cut. At the very beginning of this vid, I'm the point in the right devil horn. My horn and left hand get in the frame during the last park & bark as shoot the bell WAY up while taking a breath.
Frenchie is a nickname for a marching French horn, that's all. A concert French actually faces backwards...not good for work on the field when you want the sound to go toward the audience. The shot of Preston Howard (the soloist) is not a good one for showing the horn, as it's mostly in front of him and it KINDA looks like a modern mello because of the tubing....but French horns always have a lot of tubing. A better shot of a marching French is of Dean Bull at 0:51.
Incorrect...they both play in the alto range, but a mellophone and a marching French horn ARE different instruments...different timbres, different mouthpieces, etc. You don't see marching Frenchies in Jr corps anymore because modern marching speeds make it damn near impossible to play it cleanly, as the intervals are VERY easy to slip into...even in the 80s they had issues (Frenchie solo in 87 VK "Brazil"...easy to hear). Besides, I was IN Blue Devils in 84....I know what brass we used.
@crescendopez Oh yes....there were any number of people who looked overage back in the day. In addition to Stymie (the closeup guy in the opening trio...he aged out the following year), there was Ira, the balding blonde guy from 83 Madison (duet with Sean Owens in "Strawberry Soup") and a guy from 83 Bridgemen (closeup in "Waiting for Godot") who looked maybe 30!
No...I have no idea who that is...can't see the face clearly...and I had a full beard at the time. In that last set, if you look at the form at 2:21, I'm in the front arc, 5th from the right...nowhere near Stymie (the person you're referencing is on the other side of the 50 from me, in fact). I had one good face shot during the opener, but I've never seen that clip on RUclips.
I wish some modern corps had the guts to go back to these full-style uniforms instead of the supposed 'cute tights' and 'costumes' they currently wear.
I like the blue stars one better, not saying they are better or anything and I loved the marching baritone or mellophone or whatever solo but I think the trumpet solo was written much better to bad he missed the very end and didn't cut off with the band to hit the note lol
@smn76 Actually,most corps did a concert up through 84....Garfield was the only one this year that did not have one, thus La Fiesta was the last of the true concerts. The move to almost constant movement took few more years to get set in.
@1965bast The guy playing tymps near the begining. I don't know if Bob Bollman played this year, but I know him from the Steel City Ambassadors in Pittsburgh!
I liked the show in 1986, got to see it in person 2 times and they won a DCI world championship with it, the closer for that show, "One more time chuck corea" was the best song Ive ever heard played by any corps or band for that matter ever
None of these horns are the same as modern day dci instruments. The reason they’re louder is because of the smaller instruments, meaning less air is required to get the same result/you can play louder with the same amount of air. If you want to point fingers at someone, point it at the dci staff that allowed for Bb horns and as a result phased these ones out, don’t blame the musicians who put a ton of effort into their art
@@fancykat9940 My comment was directed at the overwhelming reliance on synthesizers in today's shows. I couldn't care less about the horn bore or key. It seems so much of these shows have music coming from 1-2 musicians on the sideline as opposed to the 150 marching...hence the comment about having to be "plugged in"...wind instruments don't have to be plugged in an electrical outlet.
@@wrbutler3681 well when you say “when the corps actually played the horns” it’s easy to imply that you think that they aren’t loud anymore and are referring to the fact that there are no microphones on set except for the ones recording the audio we’re listening to, that was my bad. Personally, I like the extended use of front ensemble and synths as they add a whole other voice to the sound, at least when played alongside brass
I rather liked playing the fanfare from "Festive Overture" myself...I didn't even have to worry about that part of "Vanguardian Sketches." I've heard the tune so often, I knew exactly how to play it! But, oh how I WISH Key had dropped Scheherazade and kept the push from the 84 version of "Tenderland" like he originally planned....damn it!
God I love this!!! Went to the finals my first time that year - and the Devils literally blew everyone out of their seats with this. THANKS for posting!!!!
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Let's break it down: conically bored G Bugles. They produce crazy beautiful buzzy overtones that stack, then stack again, then stackstackstackstack until suddenly 50 moderately good buglers are louder than 80 very good B flat brass players. That's why *I* love these old school vids. You can still hear that quality in the recordings. That's doesn't make "old-school" better than modern corps, just...different. Louder. Buzzier. I miss that, I miss it a lot.
starstarstar42 I certainly agree. I would even say better because I played both and as lead soprano and soloist. But, when I played that G horn with that hornline something mystical, magical happened. It built something special with the audience that you couldn't tear down and it was memorable for the rest of the night, even year. And, there were more tears shed hearing and playing that G horn than the B flat! Believe that!!!!!!
thats true, Bb cant overtone stack like a good ol' G Kanstul
@@Tapper7 BD used only King 2 valved G bugles in this performance. When three bangers were legalized King dropped out, which was a shame. The King K-series bugles were a lot better than the ones produced by Kanstul.
Tapper7 I played on Dynasty G bugles in 2000. In 2001, we moved to B flat Kanstul horns. It was as close to being as loud on G than any other horn. In fact, we were louder on the Kanstuls than the Dynasty’s.
Don't forget the old Getzen chrome plated!!
My dad marched in this :)
As someone who marched BC in ‘18, the sound in this hot line is absolutely phenomenal, but I would love to hear more of the soloists, which is where I like that amplification has come into play in modern drum corps -change my mind
Tend to agree, as long as it's only soloists and not part of the field ensemble.
seems that DCI does not allow HAIR like they did back then. Bring back the hair!
I didn't know pit's were introduced so early.
I really miss corps playing whole pieces of music like this without trying so hard to be clever with the arranging ... especially BD. I really miss them having one musical thought at a time... They are GREAT at what they do don't get me wrong, but I really wish they would stop with the A.D.D. music arranging.
Nope. All drum corps brass at the time was limited to 0, 1, or 2 valves and had to be bell front in the key of G. The 3rd valve wasn't added until the 1990 season...any key (which ended up being Bb for everything but the mellos, which are in F -- easier to tune, I think) not until 2000.
The 2 valve "trumpet" is called a soprano bugle....because it plays the soprano voice in the brass choir.
I’ve preferred modern drum corps for a while, but this performance is on par, if not better then anything from today. Amazing
As someone IN the vid....thank you.
@@samsignorelli no, thank you :) from a music perspective, this is in my top 5 shows. Of course there have been a lot of changes since the 80’s, but this was so far ahead of its time that it could hold up in today’s competitions.
Proof G horns need to return
Amen!
Now this is the real Blue Devils.
In my mind, this is one of the best shows ever played to not win the DCI title. The 84 show was superb. The opener Bacchanalia was brilliant as well.
Sitting in the stands at Grant field that night, I was pulling hard for the Devs to win. High Brass (tie), high drums, and high colorguard, but an unbelieveable second place to Garfield Cadets. I still can't believe that result. What a great show to listen to, year after year! Magnificent arrangements and stellar playing.
Do you have the rest of this show? "Bacchanalia" absolutely fucking ROCKED.
BD back in the day when DRUM CORPS WAS IN YOUR FREAKIN' FACE!!!!! ... No dancing, no chairs, just great MUSIC ...(not whole notes that last for 8 bars either) ... Someone should start a drum corps that is strictly OLD SCHOOL.
@@StephenKershaw1 ditto DCA
completely agree. the corps I marched with in the '70's folded after 1979 and I had a chance to start a new one with all the old equipment and uniforms, but a friend ruined it when he told them that we had to use the Thunderbolt name ( our old corps), so we lost out on all that stuff for FREE :( and I regret not being more aggressive and would still be doing drum corps today yet. the one condition was that we could not use the Thunderbolts name...I am still bummed. drum corps sucks now
La fiesta... Such good stuff. No microphones needed.
dennis eckersley on timps hahaha
If you look back to the 70s and 80s, corps had a distinct sound, none more so than the Blue Devils. The G bugle was an integral part of that sound. I also feel that modern drum corps are missing a distinct voice as well... the French horn.
Right on the all mello lines are too bright.
I marched Spirit of Atlanta in '84, I still remember seeing BD the first time in Stillwater, MN and being blown away by La Fiesta. What a great tune!
What's up Steve?
141 of the most badss seconds in the history of DCI.
You're welcome! (says the top point of the right devil horn at the beginning)
@@samsignorelli I knew you would be on this post. :)
@@brianjungen4059 Well no shit! :)
A little fun fact re the opening trio. John Hendrikson -- far left -- was a complete rookie to drum corps...had never marched ANY corps before. We were in the San Diego State University Marching Aztecs in 83 and when he made BD, it inspired me to try out, even though I ALSO had never marched corps...hell, I'd never even marched a slide before I got to Concord!
My only real regret at BD was not trying for the trio...the part I would've gone for was what Stymie (center) played....it was right in my range. but I declined to try for it, even though I HAD made the first cut for the Latin Implosion solo (back when it was a duet).
Ah well...it would've been another great camera shot to go with the one I got in the opener.
Did you play lead soprano, or another part?
@@agogobell28 Heh....I was actually a FOURTH soprano in that line! We doubled a lot of the parts to give proper support...I played a lot of the lead bari parts, as a matter of fact.
For La Fiesta, tho...I remember a fair chink of lead sop parts an octave down, some unison lines, and a little harmony....probably the most independent parts of the entire show (independent of the other voices, that is).
In the 70s and 80s...first thing you thought about with BD was their horn line. Now, no so much. Wish they'd get back to that. Musical emphasis instead of visual.
True
As amazing at the Cadets were that year with West Side Story, my love was over the top for BD. I mean they owned it. No disrespect to Cadets, but BD was burning!
It even sounds like the Jay Chattaway arrangement for Maynard Ferhuson. Incredibly well played!
Steve "Stymie" Leanene....awesome player...we called his cam shot at the end "The Look," and seeing it on a replay on the way home was the first time I laughed since the show.
Man I wish Wayne still wrote like this !!!!!!
High colorguard, I had the purple wings! BD changed my life 🎉
Last 5 seconds: "that's right b*tch"
@DarmokandJiladLLP Because the songs time signature is all over the place and the piece is very difficult to even play standing still. My high school played this in 1986. We got thrid place in State in Texas. We had to stand still much of it due to time and difficulty. One of the greatest latin jazz songs. We were very good - but Blue Devils were amazing.
Great stuff ... THIS is DCI. :)
HOLY CRAP. I was checking out some Maynard on YT when La Fiesta came one. FRIGGIN memories. I had to search for this, Im so glad this is here thanx. I get chills
Hell...I can still sing my parts to this chart!
The only phasing I remember was between the brass and drums during one long halt in Latin Implosion (and yeah...it was bad), but that's about it. The last attack going into the last halt in the opener was kinda splattered.
But other than that, I remember we all felt we'd had the golden show. GARFIELD thought they'd lost, tho.
We left it on the field that night, to be sure!
@homfencing
I enjoyed reading your posts, homfencing. It's great to get an insider look behind the scenes.
Though this chart actually had drill sets, a whopping three of them, I still consider this the last great concert number.
I totally agree.......But when you are blowing like this, drill sets are not needed!!!
Jon Nelson And in fact, since Garfield went on after us and HAD no concert set, and no one really had one in the 12 thereafter, we pretty much killed it.
Uhhh...no. Garfield beat us by 0.1....1 tenth of a point. 97.9 to 98.0
Nice try, tho.
wow, yall were beaten by a cat? lol jk
@@samsignorelli This is '84. Cadets scored 98.4 that year. Don't get me wrong, This show, particularly this moment is LEGENDARY to me, but I believe you're wrong on Garfield's score in '84. That West Side Story show has been a favorite of mine forever - and I'm almost positive they scored a 98.4. I know it was very close though.
i wish BD was still badass like the used to be. Now their shows arent memorable
I agree
As a B D fan u are so right!!
I marched in the 70's and my son marched 13-17. Bullshit! They are doing stuff now I wish we did.
@SAFye I love the mean mug at the end. I played my video to threads back in the 80's watching the entire finals over and over.
The reason the corps is not marching is because La Fiesta was their "concert" piece. Back in the 70's and 80's, Shows were broken up into 5 distinct sections.. The opener (or many corps referred to it as the "off the line"... harkening back to the days when all corps started on the goal line), The drum feature (where only the drums played... for an entire song), the ballad (self explanitory), the concert piece (literally "park and bark") and finally the closer.
I so miss BD of that time
Oh man....I LOVED playing this chart. I'm the soprano at the very top of the "horn" on tihe right side at the beginning of the vid.
The crowd response from the field was deafening.
Your corps was electric that night
homfencing I know for a fact that Kilties still use G - I purchased a G mello bugle from them just a couple weeks ago :-)
I wish someone would post the 1985 show. I loved Liferaft Earth.
@Offbeat1000 To continue...."Rock Encounter"? We had no such chart in 84. It was Bacchinalia, Latin Implosion, KE9, La Fiesta, Like a Lover.
@bodyandsmarts Wow! Thank you! It was a blast to perform as a rook-out! The 2nd greatest day of my life was this show (the 1st being my wedding day, of course)
Hanging over was somewhat common in drum corps...Hunter Moss at Spirit of Atlanta did it all the time. I don't think anyone was ever ticked for it (meaning a score deduction), as it was part of the planned performance and not an actual mistake. If it would've been ticked, no corps director would allow a hangover, especially at finals in the tic era.
G Bugles... Legendary instruments
umm no... great soloist but they dont make doc look like a beginner. Doc will outplay anyone on this planet and he is almost 90 years old. and i bet doc can play louder then anyone on the planet too.
The baddest of badass Blue Devils. My God, what a horn line. The end of this piece has been kicking my ass for 25 years, with the middle horns, then the baritones come in on top of them with the sopranos screaming at the very end...plus that totally off-the-beat ensemble percussion part...wow. Terific arrangement and performance.
Wait.. where are the band instruments? The amped mics? The mics for the solos? The 3rd valves? The speakers for the pit? WTF is this... this isn't drum corps.
Hey Sam! I remember playing lead bari parts on my 2V King K-80 during the '07 BD/SCV Alum gig; playing "Free" was a dream come true for this Red Team alum. 8-D
This is the bygone era of corp playing, before nice Broadway musicals, glitter and fluff took over. I like to see the macho approach and leaving some blood on the field while entertaining the crowd. If you want to watch something colorful buy some tickets to Cats!!!
Nope....we didn't march mellos that year. The alto line was a mix of French horns (the solo) and flugels (which had the little feature right after Preston Howard finished his FH solo).
THE UNDERTAKER on soprano at hte end
Steve "Stymie" Leanane....actually appeared at a BD camp last week. First tie anyone;s really seen him since he aged out in 85.
Hopefully he;;l reconnect with everyone....STILL has that glare.
No kidding. I don't want to bash them, but I couldn't have hated their 2012 program more. Would love to see that talent utilized differently.
Blue Devils 2012, 2011, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2005, 2004, 2003. Can't tell me those weren't some badass hornlines. Nuff said.
@ Panda44r....actually, I always felt Latin Implosion was our hardest chart, if only because I'd never marched in 5/4 before. La Fiesta was actually a pretty easy chart.
@ youmarley...you're Mark Fowler's bro, huh?
It may have been an easy chart, but I love it
This is by far, one of the best parts of a BD show ever....I could listen to this every day....BD rocks....
YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!
Who the hell is "DOC SEVERAN"? If you mean "Doc Severinsen" - yeah. Not so much.
@MarineBugler Well, you can lay the blame for the current state at the feet of George Hopkins. He is the vanguard of what is happening in DCI today. And he is one of the old school directors, so I dont understand why.
It's definitely a matter of opinion on what is "good" music. I agree with the older generation, music that has a meaning and feeling is what I qualify as good. I find it really hard to actually understand and get into any of BD's newer shows and it saddens me to see their talent used to cater to judging rather than fan enjoyment. Not to say anything against the members but recent BD shows have not been very captivating.
Who's the joker who disliked this? We rocked!!
*must''ve been someone we cut that year*
2:16
that is the bossest fucking face evar.
I got your removed comment in my YT inbox. You are correct 100% and sorry if my comment came off the wrong way. I love C because of the things you mention. Sure DC has changed significantly, and older members and fans may not appreciate that change, but ultimately it's about kids enjoying the experience and gathering the life lessons that DC imparts. Those things haven't changed in the last 90 years and should be looked upon favorably. That gets lost in the hub bub we see so often.
This needs to be a BD encore piece.
Beyond exciting....I just keep playing it over and over. The intensity, style and pitch are just freggin' amazing!!
lol you've changed your "point" every comment.
I'll clear this all up for you. I am in no way bashing the musicians in today's corps. Older shows were written much better and were far more captivating (you'll notice I used captivating to sum up my first comment and you just glanced right over that) than today's shows and that is what I appreciate about older corps.
So you can stay angry and act like I'm insulting the entire activity or you can take my comments as they are.
God love the G bugle French Horns!!!! I know they were such difficult things to play, but MAN, there are about 5 guys from back then that could WAIL on those things. I believe that Renegades still march 3 or 4, in the Senior Corps circuit.
I marched the French with the Chicago Vanguard Sr Corps back in the late 80’s. Super easy to over blow (bell was pretty thin) and tough to keep in tune but fun to play.
That baritone soloist KILLED IT.
That was a French horn
For those saying the horn Dean Bull is playing at 0:54, or the solo Preston Howard is playing at 1:10 are a mellophone and a baritone....trust someone who was there (I'm the top point in the right hand "devil horn" at the beginning of the vid)....they're both French horns. BD didn't use mellos until 1986.
The alto line in 84 was a mix of Frenchies and flugelhorns (the flugs played the feature after Preston's solo)
Sam Signorelli
Soprano, 1984 Blue Devils
Sam, Bonnie Ott would like to have a word with you.
@@Mark-sj3xb I'd forgotten about that....but Bonnie was before my time.
Never gets old. Don't know how anyone can give this a thumbs down even if they were kicking your ass. Just sayin'..........
Maybe the down votes came from people who didn't like that we pretty much killed the concert era with this chart.
THE DEFINITIVE BLUE DEVIL CHART this is all you need to hear - case closed !
Back again to listen in 2018. Still awesome!
No...That was Stymie. I wanted to audition for the trio -- and had I gotten it, it WOULD'VE been me in the middle -- but I didn't go for it...don't remember why, as I DID try for the duet in "Latin Implosion" (back when Duane's solo WAS a duet) (2nd chart in the show) and made the first cut.
At the very beginning of this vid, I'm the point in the right devil horn. My horn and left hand get in the frame during the last park & bark as shoot the bell WAY up while taking a breath.
Frenchie is a nickname for a marching French horn, that's all. A concert French actually faces backwards...not good for work on the field when you want the sound to go toward the audience.
The shot of Preston Howard (the soloist) is not a good one for showing the horn, as it's mostly in front of him and it KINDA looks like a modern mello because of the tubing....but French horns always have a lot of tubing. A better shot of a marching French is of Dean Bull at 0:51.
Incorrect...they both play in the alto range, but a mellophone and a marching French horn ARE different instruments...different timbres, different mouthpieces, etc.
You don't see marching Frenchies in Jr corps anymore because modern marching speeds make it damn near impossible to play it cleanly, as the intervals are VERY easy to slip into...even in the 80s they had issues (Frenchie solo in 87 VK "Brazil"...easy to hear).
Besides, I was IN Blue Devils in 84....I know what brass we used.
@crescendopez Oh yes....there were any number of people who looked overage back in the day. In addition to Stymie (the closeup guy in the opening trio...he aged out the following year), there was Ira, the balding blonde guy from 83 Madison (duet with Sean Owens in "Strawberry Soup") and a guy from 83 Bridgemen (closeup in "Waiting for Godot") who looked maybe 30!
No...I have no idea who that is...can't see the face clearly...and I had a full beard at the time. In that last set, if you look at the form at 2:21, I'm in the front arc, 5th from the right...nowhere near Stymie (the person you're referencing is on the other side of the 50 from me, in fact). I had one good face shot during the opener, but I've never seen that clip on RUclips.
I wish some modern corps had the guts to go back to these full-style uniforms instead of the supposed 'cute tights' and 'costumes' they currently wear.
I like the blue stars one better, not saying they are better or anything and I loved the marching baritone or mellophone or whatever solo but I think the trumpet solo was written much better to bad he missed the very end and didn't cut off with the band to hit the note lol
@smn76 Actually,most corps did a concert up through 84....Garfield was the only one this year that did not have one, thus La Fiesta was the last of the true concerts. The move to almost constant movement took few more years to get set in.
Ah, remember when you could Park and Blow for a minute or two and actually do a tune credit?
Why is there nothing as underpants staining as this being played anywhere in DCI today?
@1965bast The guy playing tymps near the begining. I don't know if Bob Bollman played this year, but I know him from the Steel City Ambassadors in Pittsburgh!
I liked the show in 1986, got to see it in person 2 times and they won a DCI world championship with it, the closer for that show, "One more time chuck corea" was the best song Ive ever heard played by any corps or band for that matter ever
Not a mello...it's a French horn. The altos that year were a mix of Frenchies and flugels...I think 86 was the first yer they used mellos.
@Aaron5ash French horn, actually....we didn't have mellos in the corps in 84...the altos were half flugels and half Frenchies.
There was too much pit on-camera that year. But man, that vibes player (Peggy?)was smokin' hot. Oh yeah, and she could PLAY.
That depends on the corps....plenty of facial hair in BD, Bluecoats, etc....CADETS don't allow it, but that's their choice.
was there an age limit in those days a lot of the people look a lot older then 24 or whatever the cut off age is now
Back when the corps actually played their horns.....and nothing had to be plugged in.
None of these horns are the same as modern day dci instruments. The reason they’re louder is because of the smaller instruments, meaning less air is required to get the same result/you can play louder with the same amount of air. If you want to point fingers at someone, point it at the dci staff that allowed for Bb horns and as a result phased these ones out, don’t blame the musicians who put a ton of effort into their art
@@fancykat9940 My comment was directed at the overwhelming reliance on synthesizers in today's shows. I couldn't care less about the horn bore or key. It seems so much of these shows have music coming from 1-2 musicians on the sideline as opposed to the 150 marching...hence the comment about having to be "plugged in"...wind instruments don't have to be plugged in an electrical outlet.
@@wrbutler3681 well when you say “when the corps actually played the horns” it’s easy to imply that you think that they aren’t loud anymore and are referring to the fact that there are no microphones on set except for the ones recording the audio we’re listening to, that was my bad. Personally, I like the extended use of front ensemble and synths as they add a whole other voice to the sound, at least when played alongside brass
Bring back the Concert Number! Play a lot of notes really fucking loud and no running!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I rather liked playing the fanfare from "Festive Overture" myself...I didn't even have to worry about that part of "Vanguardian Sketches." I've heard the tune so often, I knew exactly how to play it!
But, oh how I WISH Key had dropped Scheherazade and kept the push from the 84 version of "Tenderland" like he originally planned....damn it!
yeah, i was in the crowd for that push and i'm still in counseling to deal w/ the emotional aftermath. XD
I want this music so bad.
God I love this!!! Went to the finals my first time that year - and the Devils literally blew everyone out of their seats with this. THANKS for posting!!!!
Need a new pair of pants...
If I could like this 1000 times I would.
What's your director's name....and did he march BD or another corps in 84?
Nice see and hear a French horn solo. No one uses French horns anymore.
One of the greatest of all time.
Thank you
I didn't like their My Spanish Show, but this was really sick!
I used to be a good trumet player. Now I suck.