@@kirbattaquesmash5055 I benched the shit out of him when I saw his 10 magic growth and go bad level ups. I didn’t know how reclassing worked and didn’t want to invest to much on a first play through. Tho a second one tho I most definitely would reclass him
Ironically enough despite being the bottom of this list my Etie leveled wonderfully and after equipping her with Lyn it wouldn't be a stretch to say she was my best or second best unit.
Same for me the 50 % strength growth in class is insane. And you effectively can fix the entire speed problem she has with Lyn as a emblem. Also makes the Astra storm dmg pretty insane plus speed taker.
My biggest issue with her is that she starts with 4 bld and Iron bow is 5 wt. How you a body builder that can't lift an iron bow!? In the end, I took Alcryst over her. He's able to utilize Luna with Lyn very incredibly, but either way. I'm not a fan of Lyn on archers since I'd rather have a secondary archer in a pinch or give speed taker to a unit who could utilize it more.
The way this video ranks units is purely based on total growth rates, and not what those growths actually mean. Even if Etie has lower total growth rate, the fact that she actually gets level ups makes her true growth much better than Vander. 40% STR growth is pretty good in this game, and its higher than Alear and Alcryst, and as an archer in this game, kill power is much more valuable than other stats. Her base STR is also only 1 below Vander, so she’s guaranteed to hit harder after some level ups. Doesn’t necessarily mean Etie is the best unit, just that she has potential to be a strong unit. I was surprised at how low Goldmary was here as she was one of my stronger units, with great bulk and enough STR to hit back hard. One of my top units was Lapis, and gameplay wise she’s basically jus5 worse Kagetsu as far as I know
Combined stat growths are a fairly bad way to rank characters in this game, because it will inflate the ranking of units who have mixed growths (since you are unlikely to use both their strength and magic stat for most characters anyways), while surpressing units who are very specialized. I think that the best example of that in this video is Citrinne being ranked so poorly, when for all stages of the game during a normal playthrough, she will be your unit with the highest magic stat-- making her the one of the best user of Thunder and Warp Ragnarock, since speed does not matter as neither of those can double. (even more so if you roll the dire thunder ring)
As I do see what your saying when playing on normal ANY unit in the game can be fantastic. My normal playthrough I only completed the main missions and paralouges. I did no side skirmishes to level up characters etc and yet by the end of the game I was 1 shorting every enemy in the last chapter practically. Channel could go with Sigurd and kill almost everyone alone. Normal difficulty in this game is easy from any other game. Even maddening in this game so far for me (chapter 8 in) is very easy compared to other games. Overall you can basically play the game any way you want.
@Unpunk If we're going by Maddening standards, units that require any amount of serious investment aren't going to be worth it compared to the new units you get almost every map. I've seen Maddening players say Yunaka is bad compared to Zelkov despite having better growths because Zelkov typically comes in at a higher level.
Zelkov gets eaten alive by mages who ignore Avoid so his worth to me is not as good as Yunaka who beats him in everything except 2 points of strength and 3 points of HP. I ran them both on Maddening on fixed growths and Yunaka was better overall
@Unpunk General class is good for growths, but pretty bad in the mid/late game. Being 4 move locked isn't very good. Swap gives you pseudo 5, but it means you have to slow down other units to keep up. You could use the boots to boost them up a lot in viability, but opportunity cost starts asking if 5 move general vs 6 move Byleth or Dancer is vetter.
Feels like I'm reading one of those old Gamefaq FAQ's. I think you'd be hard pressed to find folks that use Boucheron over Ivy 😆 Bases > growths, but also it doesn't matter a whole lot
Yea this video had a lot of similar feedback and I learned that this doesn’t really have any impact on your game tbh. Learned what not to do for videos going forward lol
This list just reinforces how ridiculous Kagetsu is that he has some of the best (and reasonably well-distributed) growth rates in the game while also having crazy base stats and starting prepromoted. If you're not grinding hard he will render several characters even ones introduced later than him obsolete by himself.
To me he is the best prepomote unit in the game at his join time easy S tier. Growths are fantastic, base stats are fantastic, has one of the better personals in the game that is littered with awful personals and if u class him to a Hero, Paladin or even Warrior who all have the best overall Stat spread he destroys on Maddening. He is my third best unit on Maddening next to Anna and Louis who are monsters. Chloe, Panette, Ivy, Yunaka and Fogado rounds out the rest of my team with the others as backup Heroes and Healers.
Base stats are just as important as growths, which is why some of the prepromotes with low growths can still function very well in mid to late game. I think the magical units have slightly nerfed growth totals because magic is so powerful in this game with so many low-res enemies.
omg hi i'm the english voice actor for rosado! i'm watching for gameplay strats and i randomly hear HE'S YOUR FAVORITE!? great video and great taste!! :) i can't bear to separate him from camille but... maybe i'll try a general! 🎀
I didn’t know that his wyvern was called Camille!! That’s so awesome, thank you for the comments I’m glad you enjoyed what you found on the channel. PS. Your voice acting work as Rosado is fantastic and you deserve all the love you have gotten for it! Keep up the great work
@@RagebaitZombies Yes!! I think it's in a Rosado/Micaiah bond convo: "Her name is Camille and we are inseparable!" (...until I make him a general LOL) PS. THANK YOU that means so much to me!! :) I've subscribed - keep up all the great work here!
Kinda odd to just look at raw totals and not how they're distributed. All stats are not created equal, and in such a player phase focused game, kill power is a lot more important
That and base stats are also important to consider. Growth’s certainly are not everything and I don’t think I’d call the top three units the best in the game or even good just because of the high growths
Also utility, Seadall is S tier because is a dancer, for all I care Seadall could have 0 growths, 0 bases, but he can dance and gives other turn to one of your units. S tier.
that's what happen when you try to reduce FE character to super basic math. base stats, growth repartition, personal skill, easy access to some classes instead of other, weapon prof' or staves access ie are all working together to make a FE character. sadly this result on a pretty mediocre video with 0 real though and just a reading of serenesforest's pages... hope future ones show more thinking about the game and it's systems.
@Tdawg7 Yeah. That's the trick with Clanne. Yes, he has 35 STR growth. His STR starts at 1. By the time you can try and class change him, he's already several levels into Mage and has a STR score of 3.
@@VentsongeGaming You still 'should' look at it from a mathmatical point if you really want to make a tier list though. Just not that basic. Also weigh the stats, like speed is imo the most important for combat units, and str/magic after that.Then look at the stat bases and personal skills. There isn't really that much more than that.
This video isnt best growth rate, its best stat total, those two are completely different. Ifa character had 95% luck growth rate and all the other stats had a 20% growth rate then that character would obviously have the best bst in the fe series while also having the worst growth rate in the series. Checking for bst as an indicator of growth rate quality is a noob trap that gives them mediocore units that dont excel in anything. Lysithea has low bst but has amazing growth rates because its optimized. Look at quality over quantity 😌
Yeah, it's kind of silly to claim Etie has "the worst growths" just because she's a purely physical attack unit or Citrine because she's a pure magical unit. Your mileage may vary, obviously, but base 40 Strength is still awesome for someone like Etie that's looking to one-shot or mostly shred fliers, or 40 Magic and Resistance for Citrine, who can similarly nuke enemies, and be one of the best abusers of Dire Thunder.
@@HeartOfClod I did a ranking where I took the highest of str/mag + speed and weighted them heavily by multiplying the result by 3 then adding all the other stats at the base value and Etie was still #28.
Yeah. Citrinne is your classic glass cannon. She won't double 95% of enemies and has the defense of a wet paper bag, but any spell she casts is a tactical nuke going off.
Truly you can use any unit you want in the game and that's what I love the most and u build what ever team u like, like myself I'm going for a armored backup team that so far is killing a lot
That’s a good setup! I love the armored units in this game. Never really gave them a chance in my normal playthrough as I didn’t need them with how OP everyone else was but in maddening they are very useful!
so here's the team I'm using as of now. (I made the team before I knew the characters base stats) assuming I get 12 units Alear because he's literally the main character and the game basically forces you to use him. Diamant because he was great when i first got him and I went into pretty much every battle with him. Plus I like him as a character Chloé because she has great movement and one shots pretty much every magic unit Jade and Louis because they don't die unless their up against magic units Ivy because he kills pretty much any heavily armoured unit and is a healer with good mobility Hortensia because she's also a mobile healer and heals even better than her sister Etie because she one shots pretty much everything that has wings (she's also my highest level archer) Kagetsu because of the same reasons why I had Felix in 3 houses Rosado because his combination of lance and axe efficiency make him very versatile Panette because she has hella health and hits like a semi truck Alfred because pared with Sigurd, he's a force to be reckoned with.
Lol mauvier has all those stats while with a fully capped team I have to baby him or he dies and not using him means I clear map faster because none of the other units have to hold back for him. Yet I still use him.
@@RagebaitZombies Yes yes. It's actually pretty good but the gap between their stats in my playthrough is just massive. RNG of course played a big role on that regard. Similar thing happened to my Diamant. My game really hates Brodia 💀
do you even notice that growth is randomized and not absolute? like if you reset the game and retry a skirmish and level up, the growth wont be the same as what you once got. so this rating based on growth stat you have is not the same as anyone else got. but dude, alfred is op af. max his emblem bond with marth (early) and leif, engrave killer lance with luck emblem, you got urself a god. absolute eva and crit. you can solo almost all chapter with him and a cpl of vulneraries
I understand that the growths don’t have the biggest impact when it’s randomized but think of it this way. If you have 50% chance to get a level up in a stat you could get that 5 times in a row pretty likely or none. That makes for a good chance to get lots of level ups in stats that have high growth rates. In maddening the growth rates are locked meaning that percentages add up. So if you have a 50% in maddening you get a stat increase guaranteed every other level. The growths are CRUCIAL in maddening as stat growths are a lot lower
@@ozai7725She also has the lowest speed out of the good magic units so she won’t be doubling anything unless you have Olwen ring. She’s good but she’s outclassed
I had such awful stat growth with Diamont on my first run through that I fully expected him to be at the bottom on the list lol like legitimately got only two stats to grow per level up like 10 levels in a row after I switched him to the successor class. It wasn't until around Chapter 23 or 24 that he finally started getting some good lvl ups for me... although this was on normal and I heard somewhere that on maddening difficulty the stat growths aren't randomized when you lvl up. idk if that is true or not though, it's just something that I heard
Etie was one of my most useful units in my first playthrough. I was surprised to see how low her growths were. Also extremely surprised to see Ivy so low. She was my best unit by far.
@@solismax65 I also had Emblem Edelgard on Etie, and made her into a bow knight. Her high strength growth really came in handy for me. Was super fun using raging storm to kill two enemies and then rescuing her.
The only really bad problem Etie has is the speed stat. But Lyn as a emblem can fix this entire problem with speed taker and a super strong Astra storm. You effectively can one shot mages/flyers and thief’s across the entire map. Plus the clones are the best bait option in the game for higher difficulty’s
Etie is one of the only archers in the game and she's a murderer if you level her up as a Bow Knight with a Killer Bow. I mean, she slaughters. Even the final boss she one shots him with a crit (and her crit % can be 80% or higher). Give her Canter+ or Sigard on top to allow her to run in, shoot, and run back out of enemy range. She basically one shots everything in the game. Goldmary has huge boobas, 'nough said.
yeah... there are indeed character that are just designed to just be thrown out into the front to be bait for how good they are in the long term...but you gotta farm those supports so... I wonder if an FE will finally arrive where you don't actually have supports. But just like gameplay focused buffs and moves. Kinda like the personal abilities of the stewards. Just abilities around units that got close to each other. No asinine cutscene that means nothing. but actual in game implication that they became close and so buff and aid and cover each other.
That's crazy that Etie is THAT low lol. By chapter 19 she one shot almost everything in the game. Hell right now if I save the extra turns for the map boss, she just kills them through their extra bars lol.
She’s not a bad unit by any means. She’s just the worst when you look at her from a purely mathematical standpoint which is what this video does. All units can be good in their own respect
There are 3 characters with 45 STR growth, which is the highest in the game. Panette, Rosado, and Amber. There are 3 characters with 40 STR growth. Alfred, Louis, and Etie. If you fix Etie's middling speed (Lyn, Leif for Build, Bow Knight class), she'll be a great attacker.
@@RagebaitZombies but shes not actually the worst mathematically either, looking at growth totals isn't actually a good indicator of how good growths are. Stats like Str, Mag, and Speed are significantly more important than anything else, you only really need a couple tanks but you need a solid amount of units with kill potential.
@Minekings101 in terms of stats and skills, she's still the third best base bow user. Alcryst has Luna and Fogado has quick access to a horse and magic mix ups. Etie is stronger than both, but she requires much more investment than the other 2 and could still end up doing less overall damage per turn due to Luna. Bow Knight is a good class stat-wise, but if you're not doing 500 IQ no move reads or don't have Canter, it might as well not have a skill.
@@toxicteapot7941 I'm just saying she isn't the worst UNIT, not that she isn't worse than two other specific units. I mean if you think shes the worst unit in the entire game that's fine, I just don't think ONLY talking about her growth values is a good argument for that.
Mauvier is my husbando, I have him as a Griffin knight with Ike. My man never takes damage, has Gentility+ for -5 damage taken and Pair up because chain attacks are cruel
I noticed almost everyone is commenting on how this video basically has no value in the sense it’s not something you want to base a playthrough off. That is 100% true. This was just to see what growths characters have and show off a mathematical way of looking at those stats. Future videos will be focused on best units (top 10’s) because of either overall usefulness, skills, best classes etc. We will also be continuing all the character guides as well so please be patient on those as well. I have a lot of videos planned but sadly not enough time to make much more than one a week. I will have more but I wanted this to be a fun little video is all. If you’d like to help gather and share information that could help make a best characters in the game tier list (based on all factors) feel free to join our discord below! You can also just join to ask questions about the game, chat with others, or just hangout! discord.gg/6Wru3UkwvJ
I don't know if you can say a unit is good or bad by overall growths alone. Like, the only growths that really matter for Etie are STR, DEX, and SPD. Her speed is kind of garbage, but her STR is great. If you go Sniper on her, she'll get a ton of DEX, but nothing to help her SPD. I think she makes an okay Bow Knight, which should help her low speed growth. I think she also makes a good Warrior as her innate bow proficiency lets her use B rank bows as Warrior. Goldmary may have low stats overall, but that 55 DEF growth says it doesn't matter. Change her into a General, at which point the only other stat that matters is STR.
Yeeeaah, I believe it's very hard to rank stats when they are not predetermined depending on which difficulty you play Engage on. Other than that, I just wanted to say (in my opinion) that Amber gets a lot of hate when I feel he is one of the better units in the game. It kind of rubs me the wrong way when someone judges a units stats but never even bothered to try using him. I'm playing this game on hard classic and as soon as you turn Amber into a wolf knight, he becomes REALLY good! So far, I have never had a single complaint with him where I feel Alfred falls off later in the game. Sorry, haha. Amber is my Bunett. I think he gets too much shit and I think more people need to give him a chance. His supports are great too. Especially with Diamant.
Nice tier list, but again please take the results with a grain of salt. Not all stats are equal and just looking at the total growth is not a good way to assess a unit. For example build is only used to cancel out speed penalties so it’s strictly less important than speed. It literally doesn’t matter if your build growth is 100 if your speed is only 20. Also, stats like HP and luck don’t scale importance the same way as the others. Other comments also mentioned about mixing strength and magic being a problem.
Hmmm I don’t know off the top of my head I haven’t been able to find a perfect pair for her myself in my first playthrough. I will experiment in my maddening playing I’m currently doing and let you everyone know when I make her character guide
This was so helpful thank you for making this video. I am still on my 1st play through and I'm playing normal so I'm not that stressed out about character growths but it is good to know for future playthroughs
Also please note that this isn’t the best way to determine which units to use. This is just to inform you of which units have the best potential stat growths in whatever classes are the highest growths. I will make a top 10 or (12 rather) video for best characters in this game at a later time once I have done some good research to determine who is the best overall and most useful to have on your team.
I knew Mauvier was one of the best, but I'm pretty shocked that Celine is high on the list ! And even if my dear Ivy isn't one of the best, she is my best
I really don't get it. How is Mauvier so good? He felt like a liability on his join chapter. Is his starting class just bad, or is flame lance being terrible to blame?
@@jackmanleblanc2518 Bc there's two types of late game recruits, the ones who have barely anything more to grow as thus are already ready for combat and the ones with slightly inflated growth rates (or be Karel in Fire Emblem 6 and have over 100% growth rates in all stats but only 1 more level up to grow) who you can feed kills if you haven't gotten too much luck with characters who could fit his role. Usually if you have properly trained any other unit by that point, you wouldn't want Mauvier in the team (unless you really want him bc it's him for some reason)
hmmm im really confused with everyones opinion on 'best' units' i just watched a video that was literally the exact opposite of your video. and ive read a lot of tier lists online, everyone is really scattered in opinion its really flip flop, so far every unit is the best/worst from what ive gathered online... lol yunaka is the GOAT imo
Yunaka is great. As I said in this video this is purely based on their growth stats. It’s not a great way to look at units at all. A great way to look at units is compare skills, base stats and growths, classes, weapon prof(innate), emblem pairs, inheritable skill combos. Etc. that would make a great list
Kinda cringe you put goldmary this low while she almost similar to Louis in stats growths. Only strength difference but gold strength growths is workable.
Did you listen to the statistics? This was not a list based on my opinions this was a mathematical list that expresses rank purely by their default growths combined with their best recommended advance classes.
A couple of others have said it but this approach to ranking characters doesn't do a good job of reflecting practical experience. For 1 thing most characters won't use both strength and magic so it should really only consider their primary stat. For another thing, some stats are more important than others so you should be weighting stats differently. I'm not saying my way is perfect either but I did Max(Str/Mag)+Spd * 3 + all other stats. It gets a little bit closer to how they perform in practice but then there's also things like base stats, unique classes, and personal skills. Calculating base stats is a real pain in this game because any character that starts in an advanced class you have no way of knowing how many levels the game is saying they had for their base class. You would have to reverse out all the stats from growths from their class to get to what their base stats would've been at level 1. All that having been said, from what I can tell on characters that are in their base class the base stats represent ~17 levels of growths +/- 4ish. So if you're expecting all of your characters to make it to 30+ levels then at best the base stats should be weighted at half the weight of the growths. Likewise most personal skills give a small bonus that is active some of the time. Like 2 stat points 10% of the time. So I wouldn't weigh those very highly and honestly you should be able to get pretty close to practical rankings without even considering them. Unique classes I think make the biggest difference. If you take Ivy for example she still has terrible growths with my approach but she is 1 of 2 characters that can use tome's in a flying class. The ability to ignore some types of terrain is just too valuable to ignore as it can drastically alter a lot of stages. Likewise Alcryst is ranked slightly better in mine for growths (tied at #20 with a few others) but his unique class has Luna which has a chance to drastically increase the damage he deals plus his insanely high Dex means that it will trigger a LOT.
I appreciate the way you quantify this all. I like the way you do it but I do think if we are comparing units to make a list of the absolute best ones we would need to look at everything as a whole. Meaning what classes best enhance their default growths? What classes allow them to use the strongest weapons? What classes pair best with their personal skills? What classes have the best skills? What emblems best work with said combination found above? There are a huge amount of factors that decide a best unit and would love to make a top 10 video for characters based on all those factors and more. Feel free to look at my pinned comment I will have a discord link in there for anyone that wants to chat more on these subjects and help gather the most accurate list of best characters in this game.
@@RagebaitZombies This is very true. A perfect example of this in my game I'm playing on maddening so gold is pretty limited. For that reason I was looking at characters with high luck growths and bases to put into a covert class so I could pair them with Leif for a better chance at getting 1,000g. Of those Celine had very good physical stats with average str and dex growths and great speed growth. I had to choose between thief and sniper but I figured sniper would be more useful with all of the flying units in the game. Without all that context though I think someone looking at my Celine sniper would think I was meme'ing or had no idea what I was doing. So I agree there are a lot of one off weird combinations that don't appear to make sense at first but have reason behind them. That being said once you establish the best abilities with the best emblems that's going to be pretty consistent across a wide swath of characters. For example let's say hypothetically that we were able to determine that wyvern knight is the best melee weapon class. Pretty much everyone that has an affinity with axe, lance, or sword is going to be optimized as a wyvern knight and for the most part their personals aren't going to change that and it is going to just come down to their growths and base stats. I think it's kind of the 80/20 rule of 80% of them are going to be simple enough to just measure their stats and 20% you're going to need a lot of context and nuance.
Honestly while it is interesting this is a terrible way to rank characters. Alot of the characters don't actually excel in the classes they start as. Jean, clanne, Boucheron, Anna are all examples of characters who actually become amazing in different classes. Also personal skills, basses, unique classes, as well as what there stat growths are in all dramaticly affect a characters overall ranking. So please don't use this tier list to determine how good an individual character is.
some stats don't matter, so your list is bogus. strength is worthless when you're going as a mage. all that really matters is the offense stat max, or defense stat max, depending on your class. So person A is better than person B just because she has 4 less defense, 4 less dex, and 4 less strength when they're both mages? Even though person A has nearly twice as much magic?
I use him in maddening mode and he’s pretty reliable. Not going ham on any units but solid so far. Also I wouldn’t say he isn’t a fan favorite because he’s not good in one mode.
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Interesting, this slightly changes my plans for future builds. Chloe is my favorite since I can’t Yunoka avoid build in maddening lol
Understanding that growth total isnt the whole picture, I appreciate the rundown you give here of the units.
very helpful video. The idea of Jean being a berserker sounds hilarious to me
Wow didn't know Celine had a higher strength to magic stat
She has stronger magic than princess Ivy 😭... I thought ivy was the stronger mage
@Abu Jawad mine is clanne
@@kirbattaquesmash5055 I benched the shit out of him when I saw his 10 magic growth and go bad level ups. I didn’t know how reclassing worked and didn’t want to invest to much on a first play through. Tho a second one tho I most definitely would reclass him
I ran tiki on her. So strong
@@yukotrey9422 make him a mage knight. Only my first playthrough but he dodges like a madman and attacks twice. give him wind and Levin sword
Ironically enough despite being the bottom of this list my Etie leveled wonderfully and after equipping her with Lyn it wouldn't be a stretch to say she was my best or second best unit.
Same for me the 50 % strength growth in class is insane. And you effectively can fix the entire speed problem she has with Lyn as a emblem. Also makes the Astra storm dmg pretty insane plus speed taker.
My biggest issue with her is that she starts with 4 bld and Iron bow is 5 wt. How you a body builder that can't lift an iron bow!?
In the end, I took Alcryst over her. He's able to utilize Luna with Lyn very incredibly, but either way. I'm not a fan of Lyn on archers since I'd rather have a secondary archer in a pinch or give speed taker to a unit who could utilize it more.
The way this video ranks units is purely based on total growth rates, and not what those growths actually mean. Even if Etie has lower total growth rate, the fact that she actually gets level ups makes her true growth much better than Vander. 40% STR growth is pretty good in this game, and its higher than Alear and Alcryst, and as an archer in this game, kill power is much more valuable than other stats. Her base STR is also only 1 below Vander, so she’s guaranteed to hit harder after some level ups.
Doesn’t necessarily mean Etie is the best unit, just that she has potential to be a strong unit. I was surprised at how low Goldmary was here as she was one of my stronger units, with great bulk and enough STR to hit back hard. One of my top units was Lapis, and gameplay wise she’s basically jus5 worse Kagetsu as far as I know
Combined stat growths are a fairly bad way to rank characters in this game, because it will inflate the ranking of units who have mixed growths (since you are unlikely to use both their strength and magic stat for most characters anyways), while surpressing units who are very specialized.
I think that the best example of that in this video is Citrinne being ranked so poorly, when for all stages of the game during a normal playthrough, she will be your unit with the highest magic stat-- making her the one of the best user of Thunder and Warp Ragnarock, since speed does not matter as neither of those can double. (even more so if you roll the dire thunder ring)
As I do see what your saying when playing on normal ANY unit in the game can be fantastic. My normal playthrough I only completed the main missions and paralouges. I did no side skirmishes to level up characters etc and yet by the end of the game I was 1 shorting every enemy in the last chapter practically. Channel could go with Sigurd and kill almost everyone alone.
Normal difficulty in this game is easy from any other game. Even maddening in this game so far for me (chapter 8 in) is very easy compared to other games. Overall you can basically play the game any way you want.
@@RagebaitZombies don't worry, maddening picks up considerably around chapter 11
@Unpunk If we're going by Maddening standards, units that require any amount of serious investment aren't going to be worth it compared to the new units you get almost every map.
I've seen Maddening players say Yunaka is bad compared to Zelkov despite having better growths because Zelkov typically comes in at a higher level.
Zelkov gets eaten alive by mages who ignore Avoid so his worth to me is not as good as Yunaka who beats him in everything except 2 points of strength and 3 points of HP. I ran them both on Maddening on fixed growths and Yunaka was better overall
Citrine is still a worse Mage compared to Ivy, Anna and Jean on Maddening. If a breeze blows on her she dies.
I'm honestly impressed by Rosado, mine got RNG screwed hard even with tiki ability
Did you try Rosado in the General class? Comes out way stronger if you do IMO
@Unpunk General class is good for growths, but pretty bad in the mid/late game. Being 4 move locked isn't very good. Swap gives you pseudo 5, but it means you have to slow down other units to keep up. You could use the boots to boost them up a lot in viability, but opportunity cost starts asking if 5 move general vs 6 move Byleth or Dancer is vetter.
number 20 maybe but louis will always be number 1 in my heart
Feels like I'm reading one of those old Gamefaq FAQ's. I think you'd be hard pressed to find folks that use Boucheron over Ivy 😆 Bases > growths, but also it doesn't matter a whole lot
Yea this video had a lot of similar feedback and I learned that this doesn’t really have any impact on your game tbh. Learned what not to do for videos going forward lol
@@RagebaitZombies nah it’s all good fun. Feels like I’m back in 2010 which I certainly didn’t think would happen in 2023
This list just reinforces how ridiculous Kagetsu is that he has some of the best (and reasonably well-distributed) growth rates in the game while also having crazy base stats and starting prepromoted. If you're not grinding hard he will render several characters even ones introduced later than him obsolete by himself.
To me he is the best prepomote unit in the game at his join time easy S tier. Growths are fantastic, base stats are fantastic, has one of the better personals in the game that is littered with awful personals and if u class him to a Hero, Paladin or even Warrior who all have the best overall Stat spread he destroys on Maddening. He is my third best unit on Maddening next to Anna and Louis who are monsters. Chloe, Panette, Ivy, Yunaka and Fogado rounds out the rest of my team with the others as backup Heroes and Healers.
Not only is he a prepromote, but he starts at lvl 1, with awesome bases, in what's essentially his endgame class.
I played the game as an Alear with a harem of girls so Kagetsu saw 0 play.
@@eustacemcgoodboy9702you’re weird.
Base stats are just as important as growths, which is why some of the prepromotes with low growths can still function very well in mid to late game. I think the magical units have slightly nerfed growth totals because magic is so powerful in this game with so many low-res enemies.
omg hi i'm the english voice actor for rosado! i'm watching for gameplay strats and i randomly hear HE'S YOUR FAVORITE!? great video and great taste!! :)
i can't bear to separate him from camille but... maybe i'll try a general! 🎀
Great Work! Rosado is my Favorite
Give it back! My innocence.
I didn’t know that his wyvern was called Camille!! That’s so awesome, thank you for the comments I’m glad you enjoyed what you found on the channel.
PS. Your voice acting work as Rosado is fantastic and you deserve all the love you have gotten for it! Keep up the great work
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Yes!! I think it's in a Rosado/Micaiah bond convo: "Her name is Camille and we are inseparable!" (...until I make him a general LOL)
PS. THANK YOU that means so much to me!! :) I've subscribed - keep up all the great work here!
@@zazelblack1711 thank you so much!!
Kinda odd to just look at raw totals and not how they're distributed. All stats are not created equal, and in such a player phase focused game, kill power is a lot more important
That and base stats are also important to consider. Growth’s certainly are not everything and I don’t think I’d call the top three units the best in the game or even good just because of the high growths
Also utility, Seadall is S tier because is a dancer, for all I care Seadall could have 0 growths, 0 bases, but he can dance and gives other turn to one of your units. S tier.
that's what happen when you try to reduce FE character to super basic math.
base stats, growth repartition, personal skill, easy access to some classes instead of other, weapon prof' or staves access ie are all working together to make a FE character.
sadly this result on a pretty mediocre video with 0 real though and just a reading of serenesforest's pages... hope future ones show more thinking about the game and it's systems.
@Tdawg7 Yeah. That's the trick with Clanne. Yes, he has 35 STR growth. His STR starts at 1. By the time you can try and class change him, he's already several levels into Mage and has a STR score of 3.
@@VentsongeGaming You still 'should' look at it from a mathmatical point if you really want to make a tier list though. Just not that basic. Also weigh the stats, like speed is imo the most important for combat units, and str/magic after that.Then look at the stat bases and personal skills. There isn't really that much more than that.
This video isnt best growth rate, its best stat total, those two are completely different. Ifa character had 95% luck growth rate and all the other stats had a 20% growth rate then that character would obviously have the best bst in the fe series while also having the worst growth rate in the series. Checking for bst as an indicator of growth rate quality is a noob trap that gives them mediocore units that dont excel in anything. Lysithea has low bst but has amazing growth rates because its optimized. Look at quality over quantity 😌
Yeah, it's kind of silly to claim Etie has "the worst growths" just because she's a purely physical attack unit or Citrine because she's a pure magical unit. Your mileage may vary, obviously, but base 40 Strength is still awesome for someone like Etie that's looking to one-shot or mostly shred fliers, or 40 Magic and Resistance for Citrine, who can similarly nuke enemies, and be one of the best abusers of Dire Thunder.
And never forget bois: bases over growths 🤣
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I did a ranking where I took the highest of str/mag + speed and weighted them heavily by multiplying the result by 3 then adding all the other stats at the base value and Etie was still #28.
Yeah. Citrinne is your classic glass cannon. She won't double 95% of enemies and has the defense of a wet paper bag, but any spell she casts is a tactical nuke going off.
@@ian59 Point is that she has enough to do her job, even if severely hindered by her BST
Truly you can use any unit you want in the game and that's what I love the most and u build what ever team u like, like myself I'm going for a armored backup team that so far is killing a lot
That’s a good setup! I love the armored units in this game. Never really gave them a chance in my normal playthrough as I didn’t need them with how OP everyone else was but in maddening they are very useful!
so here's the team I'm using as of now. (I made the team before I knew the characters base stats)
assuming I get 12 units
Alear because he's literally the main character and the game basically forces you to use him.
Diamant because he was great when i first got him and I went into pretty much every battle with him. Plus I like him as a character
Chloé because she has great movement and one shots pretty much every magic unit
Jade and Louis because they don't die unless their up against magic units
Ivy because he kills pretty much any heavily armoured unit and is a healer with good mobility
Hortensia because she's also a mobile healer and heals even better than her sister
Etie because she one shots pretty much everything that has wings (she's also my highest level archer)
Kagetsu because of the same reasons why I had Felix in 3 houses
Rosado because his combination of lance and axe efficiency make him very versatile
Panette because she has hella health and hits like a semi truck
Alfred because pared with Sigurd, he's a force to be reckoned with.
Lol mauvier has all those stats while with a fully capped team I have to baby him or he dies and not using him means I clear map faster because none of the other units have to hold back for him. Yet I still use him.
funny thing is that my Bow Knight Etie outperforms Alcryst. Her absurd attack is indispensable.
To counter that have you seen Alcryst’s personal ability? That can really make him a player
@@RagebaitZombies Yes yes. It's actually pretty good but the gap between their stats in my playthrough is just massive. RNG of course played a big role on that regard. Similar thing happened to my Diamant. My game really hates Brodia 💀
do you even notice that growth is randomized and not absolute? like if you reset the game and retry a skirmish and level up, the growth wont be the same as what you once got. so this rating based on growth stat you have is not the same as anyone else got.
but dude, alfred is op af. max his emblem bond with marth (early) and leif, engrave killer lance with luck emblem, you got urself a god. absolute eva and crit. you can solo almost all chapter with him and a cpl of vulneraries
I understand that the growths don’t have the biggest impact when it’s randomized but think of it this way. If you have 50% chance to get a level up in a stat you could get that 5 times in a row pretty likely or none. That makes for a good chance to get lots of level ups in stats that have high growth rates.
In maddening the growth rates are locked meaning that percentages add up. So if you have a 50% in maddening you get a stat increase guaranteed every other level. The growths are CRUCIAL in maddening as stat growths are a lot lower
why everyone says citrine is bad, I've been melting faces with her
She's one of my best units.
she’s great you shouldn’t look at total stat growths for her magic is most important and she has the highest magic growth when you get her
@@ozai7725She also has the lowest speed out of the good magic units so she won’t be doubling anything unless you have Olwen ring. She’s good but she’s outclassed
It's funny to see lady Anna strength growth so low and magic stat higher when mine maxed str and has almost no mag growths as a warrior.
That’s really wild. I’m making mine into a mage/sage in my maddening playthrough to see what she can do in the long run
@Unpunk I might give that a go on my next playthrough. I'm sure she'd get more kills earlier on for more use with her personal.
I had such awful stat growth with Diamont on my first run through that I fully expected him to be at the bottom on the list lol like legitimately got only two stats to grow per level up like 10 levels in a row after I switched him to the successor class. It wasn't until around Chapter 23 or 24 that he finally started getting some good lvl ups for me... although this was on normal and I heard somewhere that on maddening difficulty the stat growths aren't randomized when you lvl up. idk if that is true or not though, it's just something that I heard
FE always give that first baby archer terrible growths 👶
base stats are way more important than growth rates
Etie was one of my most useful units in my first playthrough. I was surprised to see how low her growths were. Also extremely surprised to see Ivy so low. She was my best unit by far.
Ivy has a great base stat that’s why. You probably got lucky on etie growth. I did too she’s super fast for me
@@solismax65 I also had Emblem Edelgard on Etie, and made her into a bow knight. Her high strength growth really came in handy for me. Was super fun using raging storm to kill two enemies and then rescuing her.
The only really bad problem Etie has is the speed stat. But Lyn as a emblem can fix this entire problem with speed taker and a super strong Astra storm. You effectively can one shot mages/flyers and thief’s across the entire map. Plus the clones are the best bait option in the game for higher difficulty’s
Etie is one of the only archers in the game and she's a murderer if you level her up as a Bow Knight with a Killer Bow. I mean, she slaughters. Even the final boss she one shots him with a crit (and her crit % can be 80% or higher). Give her Canter+ or Sigard on top to allow her to run in, shoot, and run back out of enemy range. She basically one shots everything in the game.
Goldmary has huge boobas, 'nough said.
yeah... there are indeed character that are just designed to just be thrown out into the front to be bait for how good they are in the long term...but you gotta farm those supports so...
I wonder if an FE will finally arrive where you don't actually have supports. But just like gameplay focused buffs and moves. Kinda like the personal abilities of the stewards. Just abilities around units that got close to each other.
No asinine cutscene that means nothing. but actual in game implication that they became close and so buff and aid and cover each other.
That's crazy that Etie is THAT low lol. By chapter 19 she one shot almost everything in the game. Hell right now if I save the extra turns for the map boss, she just kills them through their extra bars lol.
She’s not a bad unit by any means. She’s just the worst when you look at her from a purely mathematical standpoint which is what this video does. All units can be good in their own respect
There are 3 characters with 45 STR growth, which is the highest in the game. Panette, Rosado, and Amber.
There are 3 characters with 40 STR growth. Alfred, Louis, and Etie.
If you fix Etie's middling speed (Lyn, Leif for Build, Bow Knight class), she'll be a great attacker.
@@RagebaitZombies but shes not actually the worst mathematically either, looking at growth totals isn't actually a good indicator of how good growths are. Stats like Str, Mag, and Speed are significantly more important than anything else, you only really need a couple tanks but you need a solid amount of units with kill potential.
@Minekings101 in terms of stats and skills, she's still the third best base bow user. Alcryst has Luna and Fogado has quick access to a horse and magic mix ups. Etie is stronger than both, but she requires much more investment than the other 2 and could still end up doing less overall damage per turn due to Luna. Bow Knight is a good class stat-wise, but if you're not doing 500 IQ no move reads or don't have Canter, it might as well not have a skill.
@@toxicteapot7941 I'm just saying she isn't the worst UNIT, not that she isn't worse than two other specific units. I mean if you think shes the worst unit in the entire game that's fine, I just don't think ONLY talking about her growth values is a good argument for that.
If there is a unit who has 10 STR/MAG growth but 100 RES/LCK growth, he will be in the first place but completely useless.
Goldmary having the highest defense growth in the game is so funny.
I agree
Mauvier is my husbando, I have him as a Griffin knight with Ike. My man never takes damage, has Gentility+ for -5 damage taken and Pair up because chain attacks are cruel
He sounds like an absolute unit. I love the combinations you can make with different emblems
The growth rate list in order
36.etie
35.vander
34.citrinne
33.saphir
32.goldmary
31. Clanne
30. Ivy
29.alcryst
28. Amber
27. Sedall
26. Veyle
25. Lindon
24. Pannete
23. Boucheron
22. Framme
21. Zelkov
20. Louis
19. Diamant
18. Timmera
17. Jade
16. Lapis
15. Yunaka
14. Fogado
13. Merrin
12. Hortensia
11. Celine
10. Pandero
9. Alfred
8. Bunet
7. Alear
6. Chloe
5. Rosado
4. Anna
3. Kagetsu
2. Jean
1. Mauvier
This should be top comment
My Anna is a wolf knight and she is an absolute beast. I'll do a magic class next playthrough.
I noticed almost everyone is commenting on how this video basically has no value in the sense it’s not something you want to base a playthrough off.
That is 100% true. This was just to see what growths characters have and show off a mathematical way of looking at those stats.
Future videos will be focused on best units (top 10’s) because of either overall usefulness, skills, best classes etc. We will also be continuing all the character guides as well so please be patient on those as well.
I have a lot of videos planned but sadly not enough time to make much more than one a week. I will have more but I wanted this to be a fun little video is all.
If you’d like to help gather and share information that could help make a best characters in the game tier list (based on all factors) feel free to join our discord below! You can also just join to ask questions about the game, chat with others, or just hangout! discord.gg/6Wru3UkwvJ
Thanks! I cannot wait for next video :)
"Inquease"
I had a wittle slip up there whoops
And this is why growth rates don’t really matter
I don't know if you can say a unit is good or bad by overall growths alone.
Like, the only growths that really matter for Etie are STR, DEX, and SPD. Her speed is kind of garbage, but her STR is great. If you go Sniper on her, she'll get a ton of DEX, but nothing to help her SPD. I think she makes an okay Bow Knight, which should help her low speed growth. I think she also makes a good Warrior as her innate bow proficiency lets her use B rank bows as Warrior.
Goldmary may have low stats overall, but that 55 DEF growth says it doesn't matter. Change her into a General, at which point the only other stat that matters is STR.
Goldmary 8s a good unit but Kagetsu is still baller even on growth rates and as a unit. He is even a better Hero than Goldmary.
Yeeeaah, I believe it's very hard to rank stats when they are not predetermined depending on which difficulty you play Engage on. Other than that, I just wanted to say (in my opinion) that Amber gets a lot of hate when I feel he is one of the better units in the game. It kind of rubs me the wrong way when someone judges a units stats but never even bothered to try using him. I'm playing this game on hard classic and as soon as you turn Amber into a wolf knight, he becomes REALLY good! So far, I have never had a single complaint with him where I feel Alfred falls off later in the game.
Sorry, haha. Amber is my Bunett. I think he gets too much shit and I think more people need to give him a chance. His supports are great too. Especially with Diamant.
Idk, Etie has been a champion for me. I'm only at the mid game though.
Jade by far is my best tank paired with Ike she is a beast of a tank almost little to no dmg
Nice tier list, but again please take the results with a grain of salt. Not all stats are equal and just looking at the total growth is not a good way to assess a unit. For example build is only used to cancel out speed penalties so it’s strictly less important than speed. It literally doesn’t matter if your build growth is 100 if your speed is only 20. Also, stats like HP and luck don’t scale importance the same way as the others. Other comments also mentioned about mixing strength and magic being a problem.
It's halberdier, pronounced "Hal-Burr-Deer" not haliber... bugging me the whole video
My bad. I have a very difficult time with pronouncing certain words correctly. I’ll do my best for the next video
Chloe best emblem pairing in wyvern?
Hmmm I don’t know off the top of my head I haven’t been able to find a perfect pair for her myself in my first playthrough. I will experiment in my maddening playing I’m currently doing and let you everyone know when I make her character guide
@@RagebaitZombies I got good results in maddening w Chloé+Leif Wyver and Chloé+Erika Grifyng
Leif I could see being a good pair! I’ll do some practicing in my playthrough!
So basically I've gravitated to the worst women in the game, just like IRL. Good to know.
This was so helpful thank you for making this video. I am still on my 1st play through and I'm playing normal so I'm not that stressed out about character growths but it is good to know for future playthroughs
Also please note that this isn’t the best way to determine which units to use. This is just to inform you of which units have the best potential stat growths in whatever classes are the highest growths. I will make a top 10 or (12 rather) video for best characters in this game at a later time once I have done some good research to determine who is the best overall and most useful to have on your team.
I knew Mauvier was one of the best, but I'm pretty shocked that Celine is high on the list ! And even if my dear Ivy isn't one of the best, she is my best
I really don't get it. How is Mauvier so good? He felt like a liability on his join chapter. Is his starting class just bad, or is flame lance being terrible to blame?
@@jackmanleblanc2518 Bc there's two types of late game recruits, the ones who have barely anything more to grow as thus are already ready for combat and the ones with slightly inflated growth rates (or be Karel in Fire Emblem 6 and have over 100% growth rates in all stats but only 1 more level up to grow) who you can feed kills if you haven't gotten too much luck with characters who could fit his role.
Usually if you have properly trained any other unit by that point, you wouldn't want Mauvier in the team (unless you really want him bc it's him for some reason)
hmmm im really confused with everyones opinion on 'best' units' i just watched a video that was literally the exact opposite of your video. and ive read a lot of tier lists online, everyone is really scattered in opinion its really flip flop, so far every unit is the best/worst from what ive gathered online... lol yunaka is the GOAT imo
Yunaka is great. As I said in this video this is purely based on their growth stats. It’s not a great way to look at units at all. A great way to look at units is compare skills, base stats and growths, classes, weapon prof(innate), emblem pairs, inheritable skill combos. Etc. that would make a great list
This makes no sense to me. Total points of growth? When has that ever mattered?
Never
Kinda cringe you put goldmary this low while she almost similar to Louis in stats growths. Only strength difference but gold strength growths is workable.
Did you listen to the statistics? This was not a list based on my opinions this was a mathematical list that expresses rank purely by their default growths combined with their best recommended advance classes.
Isn’t it ironic the most feminine male character makes the best general in the game? 😅
Does this matter tho cuz growths is just a chance
Not all that much. Mostly just to show off base growths and make an interesting tier list
A couple of others have said it but this approach to ranking characters doesn't do a good job of reflecting practical experience. For 1 thing most characters won't use both strength and magic so it should really only consider their primary stat. For another thing, some stats are more important than others so you should be weighting stats differently.
I'm not saying my way is perfect either but I did Max(Str/Mag)+Spd * 3 + all other stats. It gets a little bit closer to how they perform in practice but then there's also things like base stats, unique classes, and personal skills.
Calculating base stats is a real pain in this game because any character that starts in an advanced class you have no way of knowing how many levels the game is saying they had for their base class. You would have to reverse out all the stats from growths from their class to get to what their base stats would've been at level 1.
All that having been said, from what I can tell on characters that are in their base class the base stats represent ~17 levels of growths +/- 4ish. So if you're expecting all of your characters to make it to 30+ levels then at best the base stats should be weighted at half the weight of the growths.
Likewise most personal skills give a small bonus that is active some of the time. Like 2 stat points 10% of the time. So I wouldn't weigh those very highly and honestly you should be able to get pretty close to practical rankings without even considering them.
Unique classes I think make the biggest difference. If you take Ivy for example she still has terrible growths with my approach but she is 1 of 2 characters that can use tome's in a flying class. The ability to ignore some types of terrain is just too valuable to ignore as it can drastically alter a lot of stages. Likewise Alcryst is ranked slightly better in mine for growths (tied at #20 with a few others) but his unique class has Luna which has a chance to drastically increase the damage he deals plus his insanely high Dex means that it will trigger a LOT.
I appreciate the way you quantify this all. I like the way you do it but I do think if we are comparing units to make a list of the absolute best ones we would need to look at everything as a whole.
Meaning what classes best enhance their default growths? What classes allow them to use the strongest weapons? What classes pair best with their personal skills? What classes have the best skills? What emblems best work with said combination found above? There are a huge amount of factors that decide a best unit and would love to make a top 10 video for characters based on all those factors and more.
Feel free to look at my pinned comment I will have a discord link in there for anyone that wants to chat more on these subjects and help gather the most accurate list of best characters in this game.
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This is very true. A perfect example of this in my game I'm playing on maddening so gold is pretty limited. For that reason I was looking at characters with high luck growths and bases to put into a covert class so I could pair them with Leif for a better chance at getting 1,000g. Of those Celine had very good physical stats with average str and dex growths and great speed growth. I had to choose between thief and sniper but I figured sniper would be more useful with all of the flying units in the game. Without all that context though I think someone looking at my Celine sniper would think I was meme'ing or had no idea what I was doing.
So I agree there are a lot of one off weird combinations that don't appear to make sense at first but have reason behind them.
That being said once you establish the best abilities with the best emblems that's going to be pretty consistent across a wide swath of characters. For example let's say hypothetically that we were able to determine that wyvern knight is the best melee weapon class. Pretty much everyone that has an affinity with axe, lance, or sword is going to be optimized as a wyvern knight and for the most part their personals aren't going to change that and it is going to just come down to their growths and base stats. I think it's kind of the 80/20 rule of 80% of them are going to be simple enough to just measure their stats and 20% you're going to need a lot of context and nuance.
Honestly while it is interesting this is a terrible way to rank characters. Alot of the characters don't actually excel in the classes they start as. Jean, clanne, Boucheron, Anna are all examples of characters who actually become amazing in different classes. Also personal skills, basses, unique classes, as well as what there stat growths are in all dramaticly affect a characters overall ranking. So please don't use this tier list to determine how good an individual character is.
I agree^
some stats don't matter, so your list is bogus. strength is worthless when you're going as a mage. all that really matters is the offense stat max, or defense stat max, depending on your class. So person A is better than person B just because she has 4 less defense, 4 less dex, and 4 less strength when they're both mages? Even though person A has nearly twice as much magic?
Stop capping alfred isnt a fan favorit he is so bad in maddening mode
I use him in maddening mode and he’s pretty reliable. Not going ham on any units but solid so far. Also I wouldn’t say he isn’t a fan favorite because he’s not good in one mode.