Unpinned the other post since it is largely information that isn't really holding up anymore, but unless there's some sort of major development I am not planning any sort of follow-up to this. Public sessions have seemingly gone back to the way they used to be, which is pretty much unplayable (modders spam-exploding, teleporting everybody to random spots of the map, and mass-spawning vehicles to cause lag). Maybe it will get better over time, I dunno. I'm kinda doubting it, but if that does end up being the case further down the line I will most likely unlist this. Also going to use this as a way to say that I am not completely against modders, this video was mostly to point out that it didn't take long for modders to come back. I've had some really cool interactions with modders over the years, it's just that the amount of bad stuff I've had to put up with regarding modders in recent times far outnumbers the amount of good stuff. Anyway, it is definitely interesting that this blew up the way it did (I think between this channel and the meme uploads on ExaByt, this is sitting somewhere in the top 15 most viewed things I've put out), think it was mostly a case of 'right place right time' but I dunno man, I'm kinda just throwing darts in the dark. I don't really expect it to happen again anytime soon.
Don’t worry windows can’t play either. It isn’t shown in this video but the battleye keeps kicking everyone every 5 minutes consistently because of an “untrustworthy host” so you literally can’t do anything because every activity in this game requires at least five minutes. Even if you can log in you just get stuck in kicked to singleplayer - back to online limbo.
@@nazdoesstuffYT I don’t think so cause the battleye install request happens when you even try to open up the game, and it’s a requirement to install it. Frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s lawsuit potential for people who got locked out if that’s the case.
GTAO: bans players for using casino scripts for a measly 2.5mil to get past the abysmal grind GTAO: Doesn't ban players who open up the mf mirror dimension in free roam.
Brother, what do you mean? Merging two universes together and causing a cataclysm of unimaginable proportions is NOT comparable to basically stealing 2.5 million (non-existent) dollars from the devs in casino. What's next? You're going to say that waking up Cthulhu is worse than jaywalking???? People are so weird.
@@zasli5118but none of that feels rewarding does it? I’ve played gtao since it came out and although I will say I’ve wasted a lot of time on that game, I’ve also had countless good times grinding and buying things I earned my money for, it’s like real life, if you earn your money for the things you want, it feels more deserved and you learn to appreciate them and things more. If you just cheat your way to things, yousa bum
I had that error 10000 times a day and also transactions takes like a minute or more longest i had transaction was 8 minutes changing paint in ls custom
Thank you for this video. About a year ago I stopped playing after becoming level 230 with 30 million, all legit, doing the grind of profitable businesses and using resource monitor to get out of chaos ridden lobbies. When I heard about Rockstar implementing anti-cheat, I was seriously considering playing this weekend. It's good to know that it would likely be a waste of time.
Rockstar needs to make an online sandbox mode for people that just want to play around like this, and keep it separate from the normal mode. I believe people just want to have fun with friends, and an online sandbox mode I think would prevent a lot of this.
The whole point of GTA Online is to grind and fight against Griefers. Griefers add excitement and a challenge, whereas Cheaters just troll and ruin the game. Learn how to play a game to be a Gamer.
Yeah that's not gonna work most cheaters just want to sabotage other players making them rage quit, there's bunch of examples in other games only few of them with stronger anticheat works
@@anderson-gb8rp Huge ban wave hit the bot hosters back in July. They haven't been back since. Also the report system is working so now players can report hosters.
What’s even worse is that BattlEye is quite literally an anti-cheat system that interacts with games at kernel-level. It’s a rootkit. If BattlEye wasn’t an established company and was instead developed and spread by threat actors or cybercriminals it would literally be a federal crime to do *exactly* what BattlEye does.
Then my friend, you may hold my beer. Because there is NOTHING more criminal than that damned Denuvo. Ring 0 tech. Basically turns your console to s*it and drops more frames than Fortnite Party Royale. Why you ask? Because it siezes your track 0 on your SSD and basically monitors ALL incoming and outgoing data for any attempts at tampering. Spyware you might say? Oh yes! And now Denuvo is the new Delusion these fools are trying to add. Look it up, its a plague upon gaming.
At this point, GTAO is beyond saving, R* should just let it die and focus on doing the opposite for VI Online, where it can actually be enjoyable for a change, like how V Online was in the first 3-4 years. I miss the days of full lobby cruising in unique vehicles
this is why i dont play in public sessions anymore when i saw that criminal enterprises introduced selling in invite only and friend sessions i was at peace of mind that u could do everything in peace without fear of getting your stuff destroyed and when it was saying about the hidden cache's found those r the ones u only find underwater eventually they'll b putting bounties on people possibly up to sextillions of dollars
The two effects Battleye did to me for GTA 5 1. Lost support for Steam deck : Forced to play on my PC 2. Lost a shipping mission worth 400k because of an unreliable host.
At least the anticheat stopped us from just enjoying graphic mods in our neat little solo sessions so we have to play with ass graphics again but can still mod. thanks Rockstar UPDATE 2MONTHS LATER: As of now while writing this, it is possible for me to play without battleye enabled with Graphics mods and Mod menu not only in Solo sessions but with other players too. I help people doing heists, missions or i just mind my business. I don't need money, becouse i can just type in a Command and get as much money as i want with the lowest risk of ban that ever existed. thanks Rockstar. :)
Rockstar’s ability to directly attack people who use graphic mods and protection menus while simultaneously completely ignoring dangerous hack menus that steal ip’s and addresses is honestly just impressive.
@@Syntex366They can't steal your ip, they can know what it is though, but that's because GTA v is p2p, you could do it without menus or even admin access, you can even do it on all consoles
In most cases, anti-cheat only hurts honest players in the end. I do not expect this to play out any differently. FPS drops, loss of Linux support, erroneous banning/collateral damage, disconnects et al..
@@curiousmind_ As a bonus, we are now giving BattleEye Ring-0 kernel-level access to our systems. Even if their intentions are good, that level of vulnerability is absolutely inappropriate for a video game.
Don't forget system stability and cyber-security issues... as the anti-cheat they use runs in kernel-mode if it ever crashes in a way that it's crash handler can't handle gracefully it can take down your entire system and if a vulnerability is discovered in the anti-cheat the attacker would have kernel-level privileges...
People seem to forget that no anti-cheat system is perfect ESPECIALLY at launch, it's very possible that rockstar will continue to improve the anti-cheat and also bringing back support for Linux, it's too early to go full anti-rockstar, things can change.
@@aurora4419 As I said, it’s possible Linux support is to come. Third time saying this, it’s too early to know. Why would they enable Linux support before they’ve got Windows working? They could still be working to actually get the anti-cheat fully functional. Re-read my other messages, I’m basically just reiterating my earlier points
I remember hearing that sound blast hack for the first time where they give you every cache at the same time and actually thinking the rapture was happening
@@_WAR_LOCK_ anti cheats are good, and they exist for a reason, although I agree in gta they flopped the anti cheat hard, and either way gta online is a sandbox and should be played like one, without mod menus the game might as well be a job for all the work you have to put in to get money
Be careful while playing online, Hackers found a way to tag honest players as cheaters, causing them to be blacklisted by Battle-Eye and forcing them to join lobbies that are for cheaters only. Therefore you will be stuck with cheaters forever.
of fucking course they did. Rockstar’s security is so shit that literally anything they implement basically just becomes new presents for hackers to torment the player base with.
Why would u even log GTA Online at this point there is actually 0 content its filled with modders in their pre-puberty and the game just feels lonely in general compared to the alternative. I am just racing in FiveM nowadays and fkn around in RP. I am not risking to get a random ban there, communities are great, no loneliness, adult people, and the racing scene is alive and competitive. It just makes no sense to play normal gta online nowadays
@@aume5650 Don't ask me, I don't play GTA online anymore since its flooded with Cheaters back in 2017. I keep hearing complaints from friends about cheaters.
That's the thing: BattlEye totally does support 'it', would Rock⭐ actually write a mail or otherwise grant express permission to enable that. Only thing left for Linux users to do is boycott the game completely or switch over to current-gen console for an actual next-gen [almost] cheater-less experience.
its this child can't even use grammar yet wants to talk shit about a company 🤣🤣god kids are useless, GTA 6 online is going to ban any kid under 16 and it'll be great
Now imagine: someone could buy this console to play GTA on the street/on the train/on the toilet (or simply because his main PC does not run this game)
Load times are longer. FPS is lower. Linux and Steam Deck are unsupported and all those sacrifices didn't even matter because cheaters are still in and still as powerful as before. Dogwater game.
Definitely a case of 'right place right time', and I do not expect it to happen again anytime soon. Maybe when STALKER 2 releases that will pop off, tbh that is the only thing I've been waiting for this year and I plan to play it pretty close to launch.
That was the main reason I dunked it in the canal, seemed too stock to be a regular player vehicle, and NPCs don't spawn with that vehicle, so something wasn't adding up. I am sure if I had scanned the area better I would've found more vehicles, alongside destroyed ones. Pretty much got my confirmation when I switched sessions and it was still in the water. As far as I've seen that only happens with spawned cars. For whatever reason they just continue to persist through session changes and into singleplayer, the only way to get rid of them is to restart your game.
To set the record straight, the Panto, Yoga (old RV iirc) plus some other NPC Traffic cars are actually GTAO DLC vehicles that were added to the single player and multiplayer as traffic vehicles, so Rockstar can add that silverado to the NPC Traffic list. They just dont because it probably would result in less sharkcard sales. Like for example i recall one GTAO mission had an Annihilator Stealth spawned in as part of the mission but its literally as solid as a building and you can't get in it. It might as well be a wrecked helicopter prop then
I didn't understand how it was possible for the Silverado to remain in the water even though you had changed the session, For the rest, did that Silverado spawn when you joined the session or was it already there? (Sorry if the text sounds weird, I'm using translator 😭)@@ZetaByt
By the way there are many mods out there (for SP and FIVEM) that add the GTAO DLC Cars to the traffic list. Infact most of them do it as a bonus, since SP can easily spawn DLC MP vehicles, etc
Both Rockstar and the community have ruined this game. You have people literally openly admitting to using mod menus and we already know how useless Battleeye is.
This is why resource monitor is my best friend. Gets you out of these types of situations by simply suspending GTA V for 10 seconds and then resuming it back (it puts you in a solo-public session)
Or u can just go in to friends / invite session as we can do everything there this day's (unlike the old days that u needed public session to do most activities)
This is no longer necessary. You can simply join an invite-only session. Yes, you can do pretty much anything in the game in that session, including running your businesses. R* allowed us to do this in an update they released about 2 years ago, i think. Might be more, but i'm not sure
i had this hotkeyed so i could instantly freeze the game for 10 seconds whenever i sense an impending cheater that was until they blocked my operating system from online anyway. doesn't seem like im missing out on much
@@knijn I think it may depend. If they are not disturbing the other and instead of that they help, idrc... And when the game devs do not care, I think they can use it...
Stopped playing for a while, was kinda hyped seeing the anti-cheat update. Yeah this didn't exactly instill much in terms of motivation. In hindsight I shouldn't have been surprised, but I'm one of those weirdos that do enjoy playing the game from time to time, despite the rampant modding. Guess I'll stay in private lobbies if I do decide to pick this game up again
"but I'm one of those weirdos that do enjoy playing the game from time to time" there's dozens of us.... DOZENS lol If I play I usually firewall myself in with Guardian, so nobody except whitelisted players can join. Modders can't do anything about it as they can't even connect to my session to cause mayhem, but I can still play with (whitelisted) friends. That said, I'm not gonna install battleye on my system, so this is probably the end of me playing GTAO (started on PS3, moved over to PC, wasted 6k hours on it over that whole time frame)
Some of us have few if any friends to play it with. Sad fact. I do however vibe alot in solo session, but sometimes its fun with some company in the server and reading the toxic chat has an entertainment value of its own lmao.
I also met several cheaters yeasterday. Anti-cheat only made game worse. I lost so much fps and loading times became longer. I have a good PC with new rtx and 12 core intel. I also get disconected often
Bro, cheats can bypass BattleEye like nothing. They were fixed in 2-3 days... as they are working in Online also while BattleEye is not even turned on.
so do the companies that own these, how useless are you that you can't even use #COMMONSENSE and no useless child the game is blocked hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr stay in school child
You guys need to understand that Rockstar is probably doing this on purpose. Considering GTA 6 is coming out soon, they need to give the player base a reason to move to the new game, so they are dumbing down GTA 5 so people will buy the new one.
My brother got banned for being the victim of a glitch, i died and the money my carracter dropped when dying duplicated, my screen was all black and he just sat there getting 30k in total just with the server glitching out, the next day his acc got reset and he was banned from online for 30 days. He was the victim of rockstar's bad servers and got banned for apparently accidentaly exploiting a glitch. This is bullshit. I hate the new anti cheat, doesnt anti nothing bruh.
I can't touch this game anymore. So much time and effort put into my character all for nothing. A few years back was trying to play and was consistently bombarded with hackers harassing other players in EVERY public lobby. Couldn't get anything done, couldn't complete any missions, couldn't do any heists as people always quit and you could never finish one wasting tons of in game money. Finally after having yet another hacker harass the lobby I was in, I asked for a handout. He complied. Rockstar banned me... Erased my 700+ hour character. All the properties and all my cars I spent so much time and effort on to get upgraded, all gone. Now I hate Rockstar, bunch of asswipes.
Guys, i have a theory. Disclaimer: i'm bad at english, and this theory is more like a joke that can be real. Because GTA Online has a lot of 11-year support content and loyal (maybe too loyal) auditory, it would be hard to GTA VI to beat it right after release. So instead of expanding GTA VI to make it more pretty to buy, R* just makes GTA Online worse to force people leave it and go explore GTA VI. Inflation, shitty content made for children who don't care about realism, lore etc; cutting content, making worse anticheat, rising prices for game and shark cards and everything. Or R* just hates their fans and users of their products
The first time I had a cheater give me the cache found I almost sh!t myself. I was alone in the lobby, saw the last guy leave, about 10 minutes later, someone else popped in, didn't give it to much thought, a few minutes later while checking my new car BAM BAM BAM BAM CACHE FOUND BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM CACHING CACHING BAM BAM. NOTHING in the game is ever so loud, I know all the notification sounds, but this one goes CRAZY
🤣🤣🤣🤣you switched to RP because then you can believe you are a cop and be bigger then everyone, childish Gambino bs, how having no #COMMONSENSE going for you as RP is modded GTA child
This is the exact reason why i started to do private public lobby, just force a timed crash of your network connection trough windows task manager and you're good to go.
There's also Guardian if you want to make this permanent. firewalls your game in so only whitelisted players can join, everyone else gets blocked. Modders can't do anything about it as they can't even connect to your session to cause mayhem. It's how the few remaining GTAO streamers (not roleplay trash) have dealt with this whole issue for the past couple years
@@Knaeckebrotsaege Yeah i know that there are a bunch pf external programs and firewall that can solve the problem, but i don't play GTAO that much anymore to care about them. Those few times i log in during the week or the months i force a timed crash and I'm good to go. Thanks for the advice tho.
@@hammeredo Ye similar story here. Went from no-lifing GTAO (playing essentially every single day, starting on PS3, then moving to PC) to maybe a couple times a week, to now just checking out new DLCs, if even that. Now with the sudden implementation of battleye (essentially a rootkit), I guess I won't be playing at all anymore
Battle-Eye anti-cheat is so bad that it does not block the launch of the cheater's game, but blocks the launch of the game for me, due to the fact that I have a trainer that works ONLY for story mode. Great. GTA 6 will be the same GTA 5 only with a different map, Rockstar is fuсkеd up.
Idk maybe they will figure out something til 2026-2027 when the game releases most of the options in the cheats can do is because how the servers are peer to peer or something like that if I remember right. In the worst case we are just going to play on SixM or something like that just like we play FiveM instead of this crap
Yeah... About the next GTA online game getting a part of it's code literally leaked... Well... It's gonna be the same (hope on future private/friend sesions)
R* Will meticulously craft the most unenjoyable abysmal grindfest where you can't even have the luxury of driving a cool ass car around the city without someone piloting their goddamn terror weapon masquerading as a DeLorean
I remember years ago one hacker made my game crash. I was at night chilling in my garage with my supercars and suddently a extreme loud sound similar to the 1:09 played and then the game crashed and closed itself.
@@Knaeckebrotsaege Admittedly I am not as smart as I should be concerning our silicon chip overlords, but I want nobody playing around inside my PC, never mind at the kernel level. Rockstar are the last motherfkers I want in there. They don't even know how to spell security.
There are cases in which you receiving """help""" from cheaters or modders could make your account too be banned from cheating, since a program won't know if you were actually engaged with cheating programs or just being victim of an hacker and their little gifts, in any case, prevent yourself first, quit the lobby so the strange activities don't get worse and more unrealistic, and preventing the data being saved
I didn't pay attention once and had a modder who did this in my lobby. 1 day later my account got banned for a month and reset and since rockstar doesn't revert stuff like this (as far as I know) you're pretty much f*cked.
It's sad how the only viable way to play this game online is using a third party program to play RP and have some fun, and R* tried to get rid of that at some point, imagine your only way of playing the game is joining public lobbies like this, what a terrible nightmare. Thanks for the people that created FiveM, for making the job that Rockstar (a billionaire company) wasn't able to do.
This Battleye Anti-cheat that rockstar put into their game is no-brainer tbh, instead of them hiring Security Team to go into lobbies and monitor every single player and ban cheaters they decided to put a program that is not even working against majority of hackers. Another day another loss for Rockstar. 😂
How many hundreds to thousands of people do you expect them to hire (aka waste money on) to keep track of who knows how many tens of thousands of lobbies there are at any given point around the world?! Each and every one of them would cost them a regular salary... and for what? A game that has been dying a slow death for the past half decade already?
Yes this is a known issue in the game's forums and subreddit. My frames went from 80fps on solo lobbies to barely being able to scratch 60, and in public ones I can barely get 40 while being mostly stuck in the 30s, when it used to be at a stable 50-70 on avg depending on where I was on the map before the update. It is known that BattleEye hogs resources as if the games themselves don't need them lmao, so now imagine what happens when you implement a program like that on an already extremely unoptimized old game that isn't even programmed to use modern hardware to its fullest such as GTAO haha not funny.
Unpinned the other post since it is largely information that isn't really holding up anymore, but unless there's some sort of major development I am not planning any sort of follow-up to this. Public sessions have seemingly gone back to the way they used to be, which is pretty much unplayable (modders spam-exploding, teleporting everybody to random spots of the map, and mass-spawning vehicles to cause lag).
Maybe it will get better over time, I dunno. I'm kinda doubting it, but if that does end up being the case further down the line I will most likely unlist this.
Also going to use this as a way to say that I am not completely against modders, this video was mostly to point out that it didn't take long for modders to come back. I've had some really cool interactions with modders over the years, it's just that the amount of bad stuff I've had to put up with regarding modders in recent times far outnumbers the amount of good stuff.
Anyway, it is definitely interesting that this blew up the way it did (I think between this channel and the meme uploads on ExaByt, this is sitting somewhere in the top 15 most viewed things I've put out), think it was mostly a case of 'right place right time' but I dunno man, I'm kinda just throwing darts in the dark. I don't really expect it to happen again anytime soon.
modders coping harD
This was a great video man, cheers great channel keep up the great work can’t wait to see you grow
They should field phisical admins in the lobbies and ban them there. A human could recognize a modder quick and could take actions against them.
thank you chito from girls last tour
Are there cheaters on console?
when doctor strange joins lobby and pulls mirror dimension💀
😭😭😭😭
ong 😭
inception bro
I think same😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂
modders casually turning los santos into a type 1 civilization
LMAO
1 civilization
1 civilization
1 civilization
cyberbug 20...Santos in the sky 😂😅
glad to see it doesn’t change anything besides kicking out the entire Linux community / Steam Deck
Don’t worry windows can’t play either. It isn’t shown in this video but the battleye keeps kicking everyone every 5 minutes consistently because of an “untrustworthy host” so you literally can’t do anything because every activity in this game requires at least five minutes. Even if you can log in you just get stuck in kicked to singleplayer - back to online limbo.
I have gta on Windows. I'm not playing this shit anymore.
@@Syntex366 except some VIP jobs if you start it close
Can you still play single player on steam deck in linux
@@nazdoesstuffYT I don’t think so cause the battleye install request happens when you even try to open up the game, and it’s a requirement to install it. Frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s lawsuit potential for people who got locked out if that’s the case.
GTAO: bans players for using casino scripts for a measly 2.5mil to get past the abysmal grind
GTAO: Doesn't ban players who open up the mf mirror dimension in free roam.
I only farmed money on GTA w cheats cause fuck the grind and fuck their p2w prices im sorry for the brainlet that paid actual money for GTAO money
Brother, what do you mean? Merging two universes together and causing a cataclysm of unimaginable proportions is NOT comparable to basically stealing 2.5 million (non-existent) dollars from the devs in casino. What's next? You're going to say that waking up Cthulhu is worse than jaywalking???? People are so weird.
😂
@@ZizixxSamurai2.5 million oh baby I have gotten so much more from a modder who likes my thighs trust me there's so much money to be made
@@zasli5118but none of that feels rewarding does it? I’ve played gtao since it came out and although I will say I’ve wasted a lot of time on that game, I’ve also had countless good times grinding and buying things I earned my money for, it’s like real life, if you earn your money for the things you want, it feels more deserved and you learn to appreciate them and things more. If you just cheat your way to things, yousa bum
I enjoyed the 1 day of no cheaters.
just play on console
@@KissofDeath63💀
Me who plays in invite only sessions.
You mean 6 hours. That was all it took them. 6 hours.
@@KissofDeath63 I only got a ps4 u think i should play on that instead of pc?
Video lost due to untrusted host.
I had that error 10000 times a day and also transactions takes like a minute or more longest i had transaction was 8 minutes changing paint in ls custom
@@bedlin40found a fix ? Am having that problem too
@@top10512 nope
@@bedlin40 this sucks
Thats because session host was cheating and all got disconnected by the anticheat
Thank you for this video. About a year ago I stopped playing after becoming level 230 with 30 million, all legit, doing the grind of profitable businesses and using resource monitor to get out of chaos ridden lobbies. When I heard about Rockstar implementing anti-cheat, I was seriously considering playing this weekend. It's good to know that it would likely be a waste of time.
How do I get XP easily? Thank you
I am an avid rockstar games fan. I want to like GTA Online so bad but the cheaters alone ruin it for me.
Not only does it not work, it also doesn't let Linux users play, which includes Steam deck, and then, Rockstar proceeded to blame it on Valve.
Wait can you at least still play single player on linux and steam deck?
@@nazdoesstuffYT i can pirate and play offline for free 🥱 don't even need to pay.
@nazdoesstuffYT Nope. Game refuses to even start up.
@@X2011racer Mine starts up, and I can play singleplayer, but online does not work.
@@MyBoatHasAFlatTire O.K. then. Think of it as a blessing, as GTA Online is literally the 4chan of online gaming.
Rockstar needs to make an online sandbox mode for people that just want to play around like this, and keep it separate from the normal mode. I believe people just want to have fun with friends, and an online sandbox mode I think would prevent a lot of this.
I agree with you. I always thought FiveM servers were for those that just want to mess around. GTA Online is for Gamers not Cheaters.
They have that such a mode and it's called Solo Session and/or Invite Only.
@@INTERCONflygrinding when you can just mod in money is so strange, enjoy your full time job making fake money lmao
The whole point of GTA Online is to grind and fight against Griefers. Griefers add excitement and a challenge, whereas Cheaters just troll and ruin the game. Learn how to play a game to be a Gamer.
Yeah that's not gonna work most cheaters just want to sabotage other players making them rage quit, there's bunch of examples in other games only few of them with stronger anticheat works
$1.2 Billion damage is crazy💀
Imagine having to cheat for just a few thousand bucks lmfao
People usualy 💀
The highest ive ever got was Like 12 mil in Fort Zancudo, 1.2 Billion is insane.
Perfectly Shows that BattleEye is a Piece of Shit anti-cheat
Bro destroyed an aircraft carrier
more than irl june 2023 riots in france cost in damage lmfao 💀💀💀
You know its fucked when Team Fortress 2 solved its cheater problem before Rockstar did.
real
solved how?
@@anderson-gb8rp Havent you heard? The bots are gone
@@thebrazilianluigi2142Dont forget the biggest bot hoster got arrested for c p
@@anderson-gb8rp Huge ban wave hit the bot hosters back in July. They haven't been back since. Also the report system is working so now players can report hosters.
0:28 Inception Gta 😂
they sacrificed linux and steamdeck for this garbage
nobody uses either so its okay
GTA 5 was the most played game on steam deck my guy
@@ragescript8125 8th most played but still
@@Jam_AxoI played on steam deck
Oh well I'll just stick to SAMP it's better anyways.
Wait, you’re telling me that they opted for an ass anti cheat, that not only doesn’t detect actual hacks, but mistakes proton for a hack as well???
What’s even worse is that BattlEye is quite literally an anti-cheat system that interacts with games at kernel-level. It’s a rootkit. If BattlEye wasn’t an established company and was instead developed and spread by threat actors or cybercriminals it would literally be a federal crime to do *exactly* what BattlEye does.
Then my friend, you may hold my beer. Because there is NOTHING more criminal than that damned Denuvo. Ring 0 tech. Basically turns your console to s*it and drops more frames than Fortnite Party Royale. Why you ask? Because it siezes your track 0 on your SSD and basically monitors ALL incoming and outgoing data for any attempts at tampering. Spyware you might say? Oh yes! And now Denuvo is the new Delusion these fools are trying to add. Look it up, its a plague upon gaming.
At this point, GTAO is beyond saving, R* should just let it die and focus on doing the opposite for VI Online, where it can actually be enjoyable for a change, like how V Online was in the first 3-4 years. I miss the days of full lobby cruising in unique vehicles
this is why i dont play in public sessions anymore when i saw that criminal enterprises introduced selling in invite only and friend sessions i was at peace of mind that u could do everything in peace without fear of getting your stuff destroyed and when it was saying about the hidden cache's found those r the ones u only find underwater eventually they'll b putting bounties on people possibly up to sextillions of dollars
Seeing shit like this is why I hope GTA 6 online never happens.
@@stuarthough8440yall trash thats why. If you know how to play the game you can play it in peace without nobody messing with you
@@YukaMzimagine wanting to play with people in an ONLINE game…
@@sagenebula7120 imagine having wifi and playing offline💀
The two effects Battleye did to me for GTA 5
1. Lost support for Steam deck : Forced to play on my PC
2. Lost a shipping mission worth 400k because of an unreliable host.
At least the anticheat stopped us from just enjoying graphic mods in our neat little solo sessions so we have to play with ass graphics again but can still mod. thanks Rockstar
UPDATE 2MONTHS LATER:
As of now while writing this, it is possible for me to play without battleye enabled with Graphics mods and Mod menu not only in Solo sessions but with other players too.
I help people doing heists, missions or i just mind my business. I don't need money, becouse i can just type in a Command and get as much money as i want with the lowest risk of ban that ever existed.
thanks Rockstar. :)
Rockstar’s ability to directly attack people who use graphic mods and protection menus while simultaneously completely ignoring dangerous hack menus that steal ip’s and addresses is honestly just impressive.
@@Syntex366 yes. i knew rockstar was bad but this one is on another level
You can bypass the check and load custom graphic mods with a mod menu, just in case that you'd like to get fancy graphic mods again
@@Syntex366They can't steal your ip, they can know what it is though, but that's because GTA v is p2p, you could do it without menus or even admin access, you can even do it on all consoles
@@emilianorios7440 I'd like to disable battleye entirely. The thing slows down the whole game it's not good at all. I didn't sign up for this crap!
I like how R* is trying to say "get the fuck out of here" every possible way but someones are still there
In most cases, anti-cheat only hurts honest players in the end. I do not expect this to play out any differently. FPS drops, loss of Linux support, erroneous banning/collateral damage, disconnects et al..
Fps drops and disconnects.. the game was already broken and they managed to break it even more. Only Rockstar
@@curiousmind_ As a bonus, we are now giving BattleEye Ring-0 kernel-level access to our systems. Even if their intentions are good, that level of vulnerability is absolutely inappropriate for a video game.
Don't forget system stability and cyber-security issues... as the anti-cheat they use runs in kernel-mode if it ever crashes in a way that it's crash handler can't handle gracefully it can take down your entire system and if a vulnerability is discovered in the anti-cheat the attacker would have kernel-level privileges...
and u want gta6 in pc mfrk ??
@@CyberiadPhoenix just as invasive as riot vanguard, yet just as effective as easy anti cheat. Thats BattleEye for you.
0:31 this reminds me of that scene from Inception where Paris starts bending
That one ped: "Are you kidding me?!"
6 hours for bypassing the anti cheat, rockstar cutting off linux users. Sure they are starting to get dumb. They don't know how to maintain a game.
People seem to forget that no anti-cheat system is perfect ESPECIALLY at launch, it's very possible that rockstar will continue to improve the anti-cheat and also bringing back support for Linux, it's too early to go full anti-rockstar, things can change.
Also, with such a major release on the way, they don't really have all of their attention to anti-cheat for online. Again, too early to judge
@@BentonTheJam you do realize battleye already supports linux and its not made by rockstar themselves rockstar just refuses to enable it
@@aurora4419 As I said, it’s possible Linux support is to come. Third time saying this, it’s too early to know. Why would they enable Linux support before they’ve got Windows working? They could still be working to actually get the anti-cheat fully functional. Re-read my other messages, I’m basically just reiterating my earlier points
I never even said the anticheat was made by rockstar lol
“This one is like an old dog. Faithful, loyal, ready to be put down”
-Gary Sheen (independence FM)
no one is surprised. Battle eye is one of the worst anti-cheat out there. It is also available in Rainbow Six Siege and is equally useless there.
Same crap in PUBG and XDefiant. It's borderline useless
Atleast they do hw bans so thats More than a few popular anti cheats
@@thatfinnishdude9405 except they don't mean anything with HWID spoofers around
If you think battle eye is terrible you need to check apex legends anti cheat😂 thats a prime example of terrible anti cheat
@@thatfinnishdude9405 Spoofers are a thing so HWID bans mean nothing either
I remember hearing that sound blast hack for the first time where they give you every cache at the same time and actually thinking the rapture was happening
Imagine being better off without the Anti Cheat. Rockstar never fails to disappoint 🔥
we'd be better off with out that comment but here you are acting like a useless child Shaheed makes sense where your 🧠 Shaheed
Guess what? The best anti-cheat is your brain, knowing what's good and what's bad
anti-cheat is the worst thing that has ever happened to gta and games in general. I agree with u
@@_WAR_LOCK_ anti cheats are good, and they exist for a reason, although I agree in gta they flopped the anti cheat hard, and either way gta online is a sandbox and should be played like one, without mod menus the game might as well be a job for all the work you have to put in to get money
@@keen283 yeah but greedy rstar want that shark card money
Be careful while playing online, Hackers found a way to tag honest players as cheaters, causing them to be blacklisted by Battle-Eye and forcing them to join lobbies that are for cheaters only.
Therefore you will be stuck with cheaters forever.
of fucking course they did. Rockstar’s security is so shit that literally anything they implement basically just becomes new presents for hackers to torment the player base with.
Oh really?
@@justinianblastno u only need restart ur game
this is fake BE BAN KICK
Why would u even log GTA Online at this point there is actually 0 content its filled with modders in their pre-puberty and the game just feels lonely in general compared to the alternative. I am just racing in FiveM nowadays and fkn around in RP. I am not risking to get a random ban there, communities are great, no loneliness, adult people, and the racing scene is alive and competitive. It just makes no sense to play normal gta online nowadays
@@aume5650 Don't ask me, I don't play GTA online anymore since its flooded with Cheaters back in 2017. I keep hearing complaints from friends about cheaters.
What rockstar did:
-Ban Linux users
-Invade everyone's privacy
That is all, thanks rockstar 👍
BattleEye bullshit hahaha and linux & steam deck can't play because it doesn't support it. Lose for Rockstar
That's the thing: BattlEye totally does support 'it', would Rock⭐ actually write a mail or otherwise grant express permission to enable that.
Only thing left for Linux users to do is boycott the game completely or switch over to current-gen console for an actual next-gen [almost] cheater-less experience.
its this child can't even use grammar yet wants to talk shit about a company 🤣🤣god kids are useless, GTA 6 online is going to ban any kid under 16 and it'll be great
It's hilarious realizing that the only thing rockstar achieved by adding battleye is just keep Linux users away and nothing changed for the hackers
Now imagine: someone could buy this console to play GTA on the street/on the train/on the toilet
(or simply because his main PC does not run this game)
can install like diablo4
Load times are longer. FPS is lower. Linux and Steam Deck are unsupported and all those sacrifices didn't even matter because cheaters are still in and still as powerful as before. Dogwater game.
a foolish man installs mods for story mode
a wise man simply loads into GTA Online
an unwise man who will bypass can load gta online
A dumb man plays gta shitline 😂
A wise man installs pirated gta 5 and chills with singleplayer and scripthook trainer..
you might be dumb
A wise man plays gta5 without any of the shitty mods
@@youssef1770A wise man plays LSPDFR and realistic car mods.
RUclips is a godsend for sending you algorithm Lamo
Definitely a case of 'right place right time', and I do not expect it to happen again anytime soon.
Maybe when STALKER 2 releases that will pop off, tbh that is the only thing I've been waiting for this year and I plan to play it pretty close to launch.
I don’t see why npcs can’t use that Silverado. It’s the most normal vehicle I’ve ever seen
That was the main reason I dunked it in the canal, seemed too stock to be a regular player vehicle, and NPCs don't spawn with that vehicle, so something wasn't adding up. I am sure if I had scanned the area better I would've found more vehicles, alongside destroyed ones.
Pretty much got my confirmation when I switched sessions and it was still in the water. As far as I've seen that only happens with spawned cars. For whatever reason they just continue to persist through session changes and into singleplayer, the only way to get rid of them is to restart your game.
To set the record straight, the Panto, Yoga (old RV iirc) plus some other NPC Traffic cars are actually GTAO DLC vehicles that were added to the single player and multiplayer as traffic vehicles, so Rockstar can add that silverado to the NPC Traffic list.
They just dont because it probably would result in less sharkcard sales.
Like for example i recall one GTAO mission had an Annihilator Stealth spawned in as part of the mission but its literally as solid as a building and you can't get in it. It might as well be a wrecked helicopter prop then
I didn't understand how it was possible for the Silverado to remain in the water even though you had changed the session, For the rest, did that Silverado spawn when you joined the session or was it already there? (Sorry if the text sounds weird, I'm using translator 😭)@@ZetaByt
That's something I didn't know and interesting @@ZetaByt
By the way there are many mods out there (for SP and FIVEM) that add the GTAO DLC Cars to the traffic list. Infact most of them do it as a bonus, since SP can easily spawn DLC MP vehicles, etc
i am NOT ever going on public lobbies until it is 100% confirmed that the anti cheat is actually working
im not a masochist
AC will never work normal cuz it's BE. Rainbow six siege is the living example how useless this AС is
@@Frank_Londoncan you name a working anti cheat?
@@lvkillawolfvl1921Vanguard gets close, but that's it.
@@lvkillawolfvl1921 easyAC, Vanguard (shit example)
@@happychayka neither of those have stopped cheating, try again
The god damn Rockstar too lazy to patch up the loud cache SFX that now modders use it to troll other players
Both Rockstar and the community have ruined this game. You have people literally openly admitting to using mod menus and we already know how useless Battleeye is.
Hey, i just used kiddions for fooling around with cars n such
don’t cry
💀@@MajinManGTZ
Inútil é você
@@MajinManGTZ how are you still modding i cant even anymore that BattleEye thing is the reason
Bro got sent to the mirror dimension 💀
"Utter to me what you think the ideal is" 🤓 🔪 😲
fata morgana
This is why resource monitor is my best friend. Gets you out of these types of situations by simply suspending GTA V for 10 seconds and then resuming it back (it puts you in a solo-public session)
Or u can just go in to friends / invite session as we can do everything there this day's (unlike the old days that u needed public session to do most activities)
This is no longer necessary. You can simply join an invite-only session. Yes, you can do pretty much anything in the game in that session, including running your businesses. R* allowed us to do this in an update they released about 2 years ago, i think. Might be more, but i'm not sure
i had this hotkeyed so i could instantly freeze the game for 10 seconds whenever i sense an impending cheater
that was until they blocked my operating system from online anyway. doesn't seem like im missing out on much
damn this still works? thought the new solo session update fixed that
@@xenthia it did, but most people don't know they can do everything in invite session this days.
ngl having another los santos in the sky is all ive been dreaming about while flying to cayo
People expected BattleEye to work? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
anti-cheat is the worst thing that has ever happened to gta and games in general
@@_WAR_LOCK_ No, cheaters are the worst thing that ever happened to video games. People who can't follow rules are lame.
@@knijn I think it may depend. If they are not disturbing the other and instead of that they help, idrc... And when the game devs do not care, I think they can use it...
@@knijngta online basically requires mods lol
Stopped playing for a while, was kinda hyped seeing the anti-cheat update.
Yeah this didn't exactly instill much in terms of motivation. In hindsight I shouldn't have been surprised, but I'm one of those weirdos that do enjoy playing the game from time to time, despite the rampant modding. Guess I'll stay in private lobbies if I do decide to pick this game up again
I wanna play on pc so bad but I rather stick to ps4 gta 5 😂
I wish I have a console lmfao
and more on consoles to play gta online and required ps plus access to gta online. it's better on PC no one asks me for a subscription
"but I'm one of those weirdos that do enjoy playing the game from time to time"
there's dozens of us.... DOZENS lol
If I play I usually firewall myself in with Guardian, so nobody except whitelisted players can join. Modders can't do anything about it as they can't even connect to my session to cause mayhem, but I can still play with (whitelisted) friends. That said, I'm not gonna install battleye on my system, so this is probably the end of me playing GTAO (started on PS3, moved over to PC, wasted 6k hours on it over that whole time frame)
Damn, me and my friends ALWAYS play in private lobbies. I still don’t get it why people play in public lobbies, especially now
Some of us have few if any friends to play it with. Sad fact. I do however vibe alot in solo session, but sometimes its fun with some company in the server and reading the toxic chat has an entertainment value of its own lmao.
no friends to play this with bro. we're adults only a handful still game. I was 20 when this game was released
Sometimes I just like to see the chaos of public sessions. Its quite entertaining sometimes
They want to act offended because they're ultra tryhards. You got private sessions and FiveM
@@Toxic2Tew, get a life unc
I also met several cheaters yeasterday. Anti-cheat only made game worse. I lost so much fps and loading times became longer. I have a good PC with new rtx and 12 core intel. I also get disconected often
Skill issue
Yeah same here, the Anti-Cheat is pretty much useless, there are Mods Menu that already By-passed the Anti-Cheat, like Stand.
Yeah it's made the game slow. It's terrible and shouldn't be there period
@@ayoutubecommenter1914 brainlet take 🤡🤡
Little tip for leaving, hold the character switch button to switch to SP. much quicker (especially if being shot)
Bro, cheats can bypass BattleEye like nothing. They were fixed in 2-3 days... as they are working in Online also while BattleEye is not even turned on.
so do the companies that own these, how useless are you that you can't even use #COMMONSENSE and no useless child the game is blocked hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr stay in school child
the cheat teams are very smart to create these mod menu bypass
You guys need to understand that Rockstar is probably doing this on purpose. Considering GTA 6 is coming out soon, they need to give the player base a reason to move to the new game, so they are dumbing down GTA 5 so people will buy the new one.
maybe just a placebo for investors
I know this is a serious issue but the flipped city being the skybox is kinda dope.
My brother got banned for being the victim of a glitch, i died and the money my carracter dropped when dying duplicated, my screen was all black and he just sat there getting 30k in total just with the server glitching out, the next day his acc got reset and he was banned from online for 30 days.
He was the victim of rockstar's bad servers and got banned for apparently accidentaly exploiting a glitch.
This is bullshit.
I hate the new anti cheat, doesnt anti nothing bruh.
I can't touch this game anymore. So much time and effort put into my character all for nothing. A few years back was trying to play and was consistently bombarded with hackers harassing other players in EVERY public lobby. Couldn't get anything done, couldn't complete any missions, couldn't do any heists as people always quit and you could never finish one wasting tons of in game money. Finally after having yet another hacker harass the lobby I was in, I asked for a handout. He complied. Rockstar banned me... Erased my 700+ hour character. All the properties and all my cars I spent so much time and effort on to get upgraded, all gone. Now I hate Rockstar, bunch of asswipes.
Stopped playing GTA Online years ago out of boredom, glad to see it has not gotten any better since.
battleye? MORE LIKE BLINDEYE!
No, pink eye actually. That's what's countering it.
Nice game Cockstar
Guys, i have a theory.
Disclaimer: i'm bad at english, and this theory is more like a joke that can be real.
Because GTA Online has a lot of 11-year support content and loyal (maybe too loyal) auditory, it would be hard to GTA VI to beat it right after release. So instead of expanding GTA VI to make it more pretty to buy, R* just makes GTA Online worse to force people leave it and go explore GTA VI. Inflation, shitty content made for children who don't care about realism, lore etc; cutting content, making worse anticheat, rising prices for game and shark cards and everything.
Or R* just hates their fans and users of their products
Modders will show even more power now. "F U Rockstar, you can't do shit" 😂
Yup more ddoss
fr
They are testing it so they can improve security in gta 6
bro how to bypass the battleeye
Greedy R* deserves it
That NPC's "Are you kidding me?" was more than accurate
Thanks for pointing out the white track, didn't noticed it was there the second time
The first time I had a cheater give me the cache found I almost sh!t myself.
I was alone in the lobby, saw the last guy leave, about 10 minutes later, someone else popped in, didn't give it to much thought, a few minutes later while checking my new car BAM BAM BAM BAM CACHE FOUND BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM CACHING CACHING BAM BAM.
NOTHING in the game is ever so loud, I know all the notification sounds, but this one goes CRAZY
Whats even worse, a cheater before this one despawned all npcs and npcs cars, so the session was particularly quiet
The cheater clearly just enjoys Doctor Strange abit too much.
Sad to see this, this why i switched from GTA online to RP, I played GTA online for a week after 5 years, and came across 12 modders, shits dumb
🤣🤣🤣🤣you switched to RP because then you can believe you are a cop and be bigger then everyone, childish Gambino bs, how having no #COMMONSENSE going for you as RP is modded GTA child
most modders are chill unless you start crying about the fact that they mod and that would just lead to them crashing you .
The new Inception DLC for GTA Online looks CRAZY
This is the exact reason why i started to do private public lobby, just force a timed crash of your network connection trough windows task manager and you're good to go.
You mean resource monitor? Suspended gta v task, for about 8 seconds, resume and free public lobby!
@@JC-xh8xe I know, that's what i said
There's also Guardian if you want to make this permanent. firewalls your game in so only whitelisted players can join, everyone else gets blocked. Modders can't do anything about it as they can't even connect to your session to cause mayhem. It's how the few remaining GTAO streamers (not roleplay trash) have dealt with this whole issue for the past couple years
@@Knaeckebrotsaege Yeah i know that there are a bunch pf external programs and firewall that can solve the problem, but i don't play GTAO that much anymore to care about them. Those few times i log in during the week or the months i force a timed crash and I'm good to go. Thanks for the advice tho.
@@hammeredo Ye similar story here. Went from no-lifing GTAO (playing essentially every single day, starting on PS3, then moving to PC) to maybe a couple times a week, to now just checking out new DLCs, if even that. Now with the sudden implementation of battleye (essentially a rootkit), I guess I won't be playing at all anymore
absolutely nobody expected BattlEye to do ANYTHING
I am entirely clueless why Rockstar games made such a pointless move
They done turned Los Santos into Infection from Black Ops 3 Multiplayer
Battle-Eye anti-cheat is so bad that it does not block the launch of the cheater's game, but blocks the launch of the game for me, due to the fact that I have a trainer that works ONLY for story mode. Great.
GTA 6 will be the same GTA 5 only with a different map, Rockstar is fuсkеd up.
We Mod? I use that... I gave up on GTA online, because we'll, R* being R*. Screw em.
Idk maybe they will figure out something til 2026-2027 when the game releases most of the options in the cheats can do is because how the servers are peer to peer or something like that if I remember right. In the worst case we are just going to play on SixM or something like that just like we play FiveM instead of this crap
cheating is the reason why I dont want to play GTA online and rather just play the story mode instead.
I like the part when the ped said when you look up at the sky.
“Are you kidding me”
Yeah... About the next GTA online game getting a part of it's code literally leaked... Well... It's gonna be the same (hope on future private/friend sesions)
R* Will meticulously craft the most unenjoyable abysmal grindfest where you can't even have the luxury of driving a cool ass car around the city without someone piloting their goddamn terror weapon masquerading as a DeLorean
I remember years ago one hacker made my game crash. I was at night chilling in my garage with my supercars and suddently a extreme loud sound similar to the 1:09 played and then the game crashed and closed itself.
Bruh, im having throat issues and the little point at the car at 2:50 made me laugh and having a coughing fit
Finally.. The game is back to being fun again!
1st lobby is like Dr. Strange lmao
this is why sticking to private sessions is the best
0:44 bro is under the shinra plates
Never seen someone so prepared to stop a money drop😭 good shi
Yeah, I refuse to download that Battleye B.S. onto my computer. Maybe I'm too paranoid, but I don't trust Rockstar at all.
Considering how "well" BE has worked in Rainbow 6 Siege, PUBG, XDefiant and others (ie not at all), probably a good call...
@@Knaeckebrotsaege Admittedly I am not as smart as I should be concerning our silicon chip overlords, but I want nobody playing around inside my PC, never mind at the kernel level. Rockstar are the last motherfkers I want in there. They don't even know how to spell security.
Probably a good call.
I love how you drove the god mode truck into the water. I thought i was the only one who did that lol
Back in my days there was just one Ocelot and it was a pretty low end car, it's surprising to see they made a Super Ocelot 🙏😭
imagine not letting linux users play your game in 2024
*everyone with a parachute* : first time ?
This is the first time ive seen someone navigate the menu with a mouse and not the arrow keys / wasd
Worth it Rockstar? Now us Steam Deck and Linux users can’t play anymore.
There's Doctor Strange online bro
1:15 why are you leaving bro? this is a free upgrade
There are cases in which you receiving """help""" from cheaters or modders could make your account too be banned from cheating, since a program won't know if you were actually engaged with cheating programs or just being victim of an hacker and their little gifts, in any case, prevent yourself first, quit the lobby so the strange activities don't get worse and more unrealistic, and preventing the data being saved
I didn't pay attention once and had a modder who did this in my lobby. 1 day later my account got banned for a month and reset and since rockstar doesn't revert stuff like this (as far as I know) you're pretty much f*cked.
Because you can get banned for this for some damn reason.
Playing GTAO in PC looks like a completely different game and experience lmao, I know it may be annoying, but it kinda looks fun lol
So basically they blocked Linux players for no reason
This thumbnail seems to be a really nice idea for a new game
0:53. Like for cheburek
It's sad how the only viable way to play this game online is using a third party program to play RP and have some fun, and R* tried to get rid of that at some point, imagine your only way of playing the game is joining public lobbies like this, what a terrible nightmare. Thanks for the people that created FiveM, for making the job that Rockstar (a billionaire company) wasn't able to do.
Meanwhile i got banned and my account reseted for absolutely nothing
The mirror dimension is actually cool af if it’s a replication and not just the image mirrored into the skybox
thank god they got rid of all those stinky linux gamers! now we can play with cheaters and get ddos'd in peace
help the behaviour also fitted chito from shoujo shumatsu its so on point 😭😭
5:54 "Please let this be a normal field trip." - Online player
"With a Hacker? No way!"
This Battleye Anti-cheat that rockstar put into their game is no-brainer tbh, instead of them hiring Security Team to go into lobbies and monitor every single player and ban cheaters they decided to put a program that is not even working against majority of hackers. Another day another loss for Rockstar. 😂
How many hundreds to thousands of people do you expect them to hire (aka waste money on) to keep track of who knows how many tens of thousands of lobbies there are at any given point around the world?! Each and every one of them would cost them a regular salary... and for what? A game that has been dying a slow death for the past half decade already?
@@Knaeckebrotsaege they used to do that. or actively do that rather.
Looks like this bro is starting on GTA Online, all that is a common GTA day
rare footage of pc player that doesnt use keyboard to navigate menus
Massive respect to you for having a personal Schwartzer
does anybody experienced any performance lost after this anti cheat update?
I wanna say I've observed more input & mouse lag since they implemented the anti-cheat, but I'm not entirely sure.
Yes this is a known issue in the game's forums and subreddit. My frames went from 80fps on solo lobbies to barely being able to scratch 60, and in public ones I can barely get 40 while being mostly stuck in the 30s, when it used to be at a stable 50-70 on avg depending on where I was on the map before the update.
It is known that BattleEye hogs resources as if the games themselves don't need them lmao, so now imagine what happens when you implement a program like that on an already extremely unoptimized old game that isn't even programmed to use modern hardware to its fullest such as GTAO haha not funny.
I only play in Invite Only sessions anyway so hackers can turn public sessions into unplayable hellscapes as much as they want for all i care
At least now u can do session missions without requiring public session