I knew Madame DeHartman she invited me to a Gurdjieff movement group in Santa Fe NM. There were probably 60 people in total sync moving to her husbands music. It was much more complicated the movements that they did.
Смысл не в ритуальной синхронности, а в абсолютной не возможности сохранять правильную последовательность действий без непрерывного контроля и внимания. Основная работа ума заключается в создании автоматизмов. Когда ум увидел, что всё двигается автоматически, он считает свою работу завершённой и убегает по своим делам, которые в разных традициях называют по-разному и которые заключаются в прокручивании в воображении всеразличнейших случайных мыслей, ситуаций, обрывков фраз и т.п. В каких-нибудь индуистско-буддийских традициях это поток мыслей, а у Кастанеды это внутренний диалог. Этот самый внутренний диалог или поток беспорядочных мыслей с точки зрения гурджиевской школы является следствием несогласованной изолированной работы человеческих центров, а данные так называемые гурджиевские движения не дают уму (интеллектуальному центру) работать в несогласованном режиме, чем не дают ему включить внутренний диалог или поток беспорядочных мыслей. Здача гурджиевских движений - не позволить уму решить, что его работа закончена.
Спасибо за все сообщения. Наконец-то я смог прочитать его с помощью переводчика. Гурджиевские движения очень сложны. Приняв ваши слова всерьез, я продолжу свои поиски.
But the enneagram is about motion, like circulation. Not stop/start movements. I've seen other videos - more authentic - with lots of flow and flowing to the movements. So this might not be authentic.
It requires great attention, pushes you into a flow state where the thinking mind has to shut off while engaging the senses, body, and focused mind. Moving meditation that teaches you to flow mindfully in the midst of activity, which is how you can then learn to carry out your regular life.
This goes to show how easy it is to create a cult ,as there is an abundance of mentally vulnerable, desperate people amongst us that will cling to anything that promises salvation from their fears.
See that guy that tried to shame you, and make you doubt yourself, in the above comments, he's "not you're Mom" 😂😂😂 not even near 🙄 and, he is "the conned" running a "subsidiary con". Look at his ethereal pp 😂😂😂
Please do not confuse this with the authentic Gurdjieff Work. These are made up exercises and a wrongly expressed Fourth Pythagoras. So sad as these people seem serious.
@@yungnietzsche2302 No. I mean what these people are doing in this video. I have been working with the Gurdjieff Movements since 1961. I learned from Gurdjieff's direct students. What you see here, first is an exercise copying motions from other movements or a wrongly learned/taught movement. The "Fourth Pythagoras" has the wrong expression of the body and feet. My impression is that it was learned from someone who didn't really understand and passed on to others who don't understand but teach anyway. I find this dissemination of the extraordinary work that Gurdjieff brought to be vey sad but inevitable. If you are seriously interested in the Movements, make sure that they are taught within a group that works with the whole teaching as Movements are not meant to be studied apart from the entire teaching.
@@ЛанаЛана-с3е Yes you are correct. These "movements" as they are done here will not give any spiritual development. One needs to study with someone who really understands them.
Gurdjieff often used tricks. Whats even more funny, is that he was very open about his use of deceptive methods. However, are you able to see the greater truths Gurdjieff was pointing at by using these apparent "cons"?
I think he was a guy who liked to make a point with things. Calling people essentially automatons and his point is proved by them mindlessly following (from "the arts" perspective at least) a pretty soul-less movement routine. No offense intended to the practitioners. There is a difference between exoteric and esoteric, Gurdjieff is of the esoteric whereas his followers (by its definition) are practising the exoteric. Therefore, again, proving his spoken points further.
@@cjnav8631 Sweetie, that was ultimate con, the tricks were the con in the way to the CON. No one got enlightened, even Ouspenski, l you believe this you deserve this.
@@BlackBeltNob You trotted out his cover story word perfect, well done, if he was alive he would still mock you, manipulative psychopaths are easily bored.
Excellent Goudief gracias gracias gracias!!!...
I knew Madame DeHartman she invited me to a Gurdjieff movement group in Santa Fe NM. There were probably 60 people in total sync moving to her husbands music. It was much more complicated the movements that they did.
Bravoooo / just doing THE WORK
Beautiful. Doing the work.
Thanks😊
Why beautiful?
Gratitude 🙏
Смысл не в ритуальной синхронности, а в абсолютной не возможности сохранять правильную последовательность действий без непрерывного контроля и внимания.
Основная работа ума заключается в создании автоматизмов. Когда ум увидел, что всё двигается автоматически, он считает свою работу завершённой и убегает по своим делам, которые в разных традициях называют по-разному и которые заключаются в прокручивании в воображении всеразличнейших случайных мыслей, ситуаций, обрывков фраз и т.п. В каких-нибудь индуистско-буддийских традициях это поток мыслей, а у Кастанеды это внутренний диалог. Этот самый внутренний диалог или поток беспорядочных мыслей с точки зрения гурджиевской школы является следствием несогласованной изолированной работы человеческих центров, а данные так называемые гурджиевские движения не дают уму (интеллектуальному центру) работать в несогласованном режиме, чем не дают ему включить внутренний диалог или поток беспорядочных мыслей. Здача гурджиевских движений - не позволить уму решить, что его работа закончена.
Спасибо за все сообщения. Наконец-то я смог прочитать его с помощью переводчика. Гурджиевские движения очень сложны. Приняв ваши слова всерьез, я продолжу свои поиски.
Exacto! Nosotros tenemos que conducir a nuestra mente.Estos mov.lo van enseñando.Gran maestro de Vida,Gurdieff !
❤
Superb
what is the name of first dance?
The more is『 Buddha with in』
It's a Gurdjieff exercise.
@@g-apocrypha
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parts of movements....for teachng purposes/prep
@@g-apocrypha It is not. The proof is that it would never be called that.
Make it up as you go along and paint your bedsheets fr
But the enneagram is about motion, like circulation. Not stop/start movements. I've seen other videos - more authentic - with lots of flow and flowing to the movements. So this might not be authentic.
can you please pass some links to those videos?
@@nutritiveart I'm getting the information direct from the source (Gurdjieff's teachings, in Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous")
@@gurgisjones1120 thank you!
What's this?
nice
Thank you♥️
So what does it achieve? Can anyone tell me?
Beauty?
@@perplexedmoth Like ballet? Not really what Gurdjieff was all about.
if they can get enough hits they can make beer money.
Eccentric enlightenment ? Just looks foolish to me
It requires great attention, pushes you into a flow state where the thinking mind has to shut off while engaging the senses, body, and focused mind. Moving meditation that teaches you to flow mindfully in the midst of activity, which is how you can then learn to carry out your regular life.
Where was this recorded?
Tokyo Kanda Lakudoan
Good cult.
🙄🍀
This goes to show how easy it is to create a cult ,as there is an abundance of mentally vulnerable, desperate people amongst us that will cling to anything that promises salvation from their fears.
exactly. you got it. on your way now. bye.
I’m embarrassed for you Francois. Some day you will know why
See that guy that tried to shame you, and make you doubt yourself, in the above comments, he's "not you're Mom" 😂😂😂 not even near 🙄 and, he is "the conned" running a "subsidiary con". Look at his ethereal pp 😂😂😂
Just what they are doing is harmful?
I really respeckt mister G, but seeing this movements, I'm not sure what's the point of doing something, you don't understsnd why you are doing it...
Proof is in the infrared pudding.
Please do not confuse this with the authentic Gurdjieff Work. These are made up exercises and a wrongly expressed Fourth Pythagoras. So sad as these people seem serious.
Made up exercises? Do you mean the movements in general?
@@yungnietzsche2302 No. I mean what these people are doing in this video. I have been working with the Gurdjieff Movements since 1961. I learned from Gurdjieff's direct students. What you see here, first is an exercise copying motions from other movements or a wrongly learned/taught movement. The "Fourth Pythagoras" has the wrong expression of the body and feet. My impression is that it was learned from someone who didn't really understand and passed on to others who don't understand but teach anyway. I find this dissemination of the extraordinary work that Gurdjieff brought to be vey sad but inevitable. If you are seriously interested in the Movements, make sure that they are taught within a group that works with the whole teaching as Movements are not meant to be studied apart from the entire teaching.
@@LaPalomaBlanca что дают эти движения? Сейчас в танце намнрго сложнее движения, но и они не дают духовное развитие.
@@ЛанаЛана-с3е Yes you are correct. These "movements" as they are done here will not give any spiritual development. One needs to study with someone who really understands them.
@@LaPalomaBlanca make a video for us ... teach the right than
-.- mi # est 66....................................olek.
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Five minutes in, and this guy was a con. 😆😆😆
Why?
Gurdjieff often used tricks. Whats even more funny, is that he was very open about his use of deceptive methods.
However, are you able to see the greater truths Gurdjieff was pointing at by using these apparent "cons"?
I think he was a guy who liked to make a point with things. Calling people essentially automatons and his point is proved by them mindlessly following (from "the arts" perspective at least) a pretty soul-less movement routine. No offense intended to the practitioners. There is a difference between exoteric and esoteric, Gurdjieff is of the esoteric whereas his followers (by its definition) are practising the exoteric. Therefore, again, proving his spoken points further.
@@cjnav8631 Sweetie, that was ultimate con, the tricks were the con in the way to the CON.
No one got enlightened, even Ouspenski, l you believe this you deserve this.
@@BlackBeltNob You trotted out his cover story word perfect, well done, if he was alive he would still mock you, manipulative psychopaths are easily bored.