The Enjoyable Mess that is Code Geass Re;surrection
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Code Geass: Lelouch of the Re;surrection has never heard the phrase "economy of storytelling", and completely undoes Zero Requiem. And yet I basically loved this film from start to finish. Underneath it's veneer of a fan-service movie, there's some legitimately good stuff to pull out from it - and yes this is a big fan of the series talking so maybe if you're less sold on Lelouch & Company than I am, be forewarned - and in this video we'll talk about strengths & weaknesses in this film, and come to the conclusion that while this movie IS good...the next one might not be.
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Ikta's Theme - Alderamin on the Sky OST
Feel Ambivalents - Code Geass OST
Prepared to be Shot - Re;surrection OST
Light - Psycho-Pass OST
Boyhood - Code Geass OST
Peace You Made - Re;surrection OST
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I just want you to talk more about code geass, and will watch either of those. I'm voting akito because barely anyone talks about it tho.
Hey Replay Value idk if you’ll see this but somehow every time I start watching an anime you make a video a day after and it happens way to much to be a coincidence. Started Rascal does not Dream and you made a video, Started rent a girlfriend and you made a video, now starting code geass and you made a video. Weird
Wait, 2 weeks ago? This came out three days ago.
This seems like it should have been a movie trilogy with all of this interwoven in with more stuff. For example characters wondering if the world is truly better or maybe even having a couple openly admit that they don't feel complete in a world of peace and that some part of them misses being the hero in a world of conflict. I think if it was put into multiple movies then you could see both the fan service and get well made content that strengthens the narrative. Perhaps have Lelouch not fully return till somewhere in the middle of the second movie or at the beginning of the second.
I'm not going to write an essay right now because I don't have the time, but to be frank I think Lelouch of the Re;Surrection is a great successor to the series even if it is a fan-service film and I will quickly try to explain why.
Zero Requiem although thematically one of the best moments in any form of media, is still flawed. While the thematic value is godly, the Zero Requiem is flawed because simply put it wouldn't work. It works with the themes, but realistically it would fail for numerous reasons which the movie acknowledges one of. Zero Requiem has flaws not thematically, but mechanically.
The movie is most of what I hopped for, although I feel they should have made it a 2 hour 20 minutes movie in order to further expand upon the time loops and themes. I was satisfied that the problems of Zero Requiem and its fallout were being addressed. While one can argue this diminishes the value of the Zero Requiem, I would say that the movies are an AU and as such can be ignored if one dislikes them.
tldr: Zero Requiem wouldn't work mechanically, and the movie addressed that.
Let's face it. We can't get enough of Lelouch doing Lelouch things
You’re 100% 💯 correct on that.
C.C agrees
Lelouch doing Lelouch things is why we watch Code Geass
Exactly, those complaining about Lelouch being the main character again lack the appreciation of the character.
FACTS
Jeremiah showing up with oranges actually made me weeze.
Orange Boy forever best boy
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I just wish he had talked to Lelouch a single time...
If i can see lelouch wave his hand and say "lelouch vi britania comands you " i will gladly watch 10 more movies
Lelouch used his geass on us to protect him in the Cs world
"Where's my foil hat again"
The ending scene with cc and lelouch was my favorite part of this movie... I know it’s fan service but I just love them together so much
U mean L.L? :)
Lol, Isn't all anime, comics, etc., fan service?
The expressions on her face were so detailed. I was pleased simply because the artist did such a great job.
I will never deny another new cosplay for Lelouch. XD His Warlock fit is nothing but swager
@@realestSuniaster no
Resurrection feels like an anime season cut into a movie. Sidenote, Holy shit i never noticed that 4th wall break xD
Ngl for me it feels like fan service for lelouch and c.c to get together
That’s because it’s hardly a fourth wall break. Replay value kinda glossed over the in story reason but that IS what it was meant for and the audience surrogate element was more just icing on the cake
@@keionchua6777, that’s because of the fact that Lelouch like Light Yagami is what makes the story of Code Geass an enjoyable series because the creator of Death Note killed off Light Yagami, and introduced a new Kira and Death Note stopped being universally loved like how after Lelouch was supposedly killed off at the events of R2 than afterwards if he was introduced in Akito the Exiled and R3 than nobody would be watching Code Geass if Lelouch was really actually killed off for good.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr but Akito happens between the first and second season of Code Geass. That is why lelouch isnt dead.
That moment is so stupid I love it so much
I wish they animated the Nightmare of Nunnally and Oz as those were some of the greatest spin-off in Code Geass
Nightmare of nunnally needs an OVA series like akito the exiled
Where can I read those mangas?
Code Geass new anime project is coming in 2021 titled Z of the recapture
They honestly should've.
akito wasn't needed. Nunnally is necessary. Bullet proof lelouch and evil lelouch twin. YAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSS
Zero looked more like freaking batman in that lol so dark
As someone who has watched Code Geass 4 times over, I noticed something interesting when watching this film. There is a clear change in directing style at the beginning, up to the point when Lelouch becomes his old self, at which point Taniguchi appears to begin directing the film in the Code Geass style we're used to. I don't have the words to describe it better, but the quick cuts and close-up shots of characters don't begin until the moment Lelouch regains his memories. It seems to me to be an obvious choice that was made.
ahhh thats interesting!
Pffffffff 4 times thats rookie number try 6 times
I think it's very interesting to come across people who can analyze directing styles, so thanks for the observation.
Very interesting
I noticed as well!
Honestly, I like having 2 different endings. A satisfying ending, and a happy ending. The former is the Zero Requiem, whereas the latter is this. Characters not dying makes me feel better. Not more satisfied, just better.
omg you pointed out something about me I never realized o_o thank you
I completly agree, its kinda like you get to choose which one you want to go with sicne both technically exist.
Let's be honest here. Even if Lelouch stayed dead, his death would buy only a decade or so of peace before someone started stirring the pot again, as you can see in Lelouch of the Resurrection movie. Fighting and wars are just human nature and have been going on since the first caveman threw a stone. Ironically, it was Lelouch's parents who sought a world without conflict but their plan was also a bad idea. With his geass and brilliant mind, Lelouch would be more useful in maintaining the peace he achieved with his Zero Requiem alive, even if he has to watch over the world from the shadows. As long as everyone believed he was dead, his goal was achieved all the same. No one has to know other than his closest friends and allies. So IMO, this movie as well as the compilation movies before it was actually a good idea.
Couldn't have said it better myself
but I think if r3 would ever come, this would actually be the plot of the story with obviously some changes
Soon as I saw Shirley alive, I knew this was an alternate universe from the TV series. The tv show, while left me in tears, made me feel fulfilled. The movie, though purely fan service, does feel nice to see everyone again.
Characters dying left and right was just.....anyways, watching the movie was a fresh air(been 3 years since your comment haha, i just rewatched the show)
Considering there is an announcement for more Code Geass content on December 5th this video is a good way to tie me over till then!
Wait we're getting WAHAT ON DEC 5؟؟؟
@@DARTH-R3VAN there's a Livestream detailing new code Geass content. Search it up and you'll see!
For those coming later and curious, we're getting another TV series following the events of the movie timeline, as well as a mobile game.
@@Purplemen101 oh? A mobile game? I do those :)
What happened?
I loved this film ❤️ But yeah definitely fan service. As someone who has rewatched R1 & R2 countless times, I just loved seeing everyone return again. Thanks for another great video Replay Value!
ditto!
I can't deny that I loved this movie from the perspective of fan service that you yourself described, especially during Kallen's breakdown and from simply witnessing more of Lelouch's trademark tactical 'miracles'. As much as this movie brought me joy as a Code Geass fan, I also can't help but wonder if stuff like Shirley being kept alive and Rolo's death losing a lot of its impact was worth it. If there will be even more sequels, I just hope they keep the fans happy in the very least.
Well there is a reason for Shirley being alive. It represents a part of lelouch, specifically Lelouch Lamperouge, the student everyday living life lelouch. Shirley dying in the original meant lelouch could no longer go back to the life he had before while in the movie he is living with CC and made up with everyone else. Obviously he can’t return to Society without a disguise or something since his death United the world but besides that things are back to normal.
@@baked7423 Shirley being respresentative of Lelouch's 'right' to come back does make a lot of sense when you put it that way. Still, would be cool if she had a more involved role in future works (if there even will be any)
@@baked7423 Even before Shirley died, Lelouch already knew he could never live a normal life again once he obtained his geass and took on the mantle of Zero.
You know who.else should have come back to life in the alternate timeline? Euphemia! Especially after Lelouch said Euphemia may have been "the first woman he ever loved". That would have made Suzaku and Cornelia very happy, seeing Euphemia again. And maybe even Nunnally.
I mean it's based in an alternative universe and is a continuation of the movies which had both subtle and big changes from the TV Series.
That's why I see this as an absolute win as it is not part of the perfect TV Series and doesn't ruin its ending whilst giving those who want more Lelouch, more Lelouch.
It's the best of both worlds, keeping the TV Series complete as it is with the perfect Zero Requiem ending and giving a continuation to those who want to see it most. As for the movie, in my opinion, it wasn't all bad - definitely not TV Series level, but it's still a pretty good movie.
SPOILER:
A major obvious change includes Shirley being alive in the movies but dead in the TV series showing us that it's in a different world line..
😏 ah, world line. I see you Steins; Gate
@@Alter292 El. Psy. Congroo.
The TV series was great but actually far from perfect. While the plot of R1 was steady and consistent, R2 was a bit unorganized and confusing at times. And at times, I felt the TV series had a bit too much unnecessary filler compared to the movies which were more straight to the point. Certain scenes were also redone so they didn't look as awkward as they were in TV series.
Lelouch of the Resurrection could have easily been written to fit the timeline of the TV series but since Code Geass is over ten years old, they had to make the compilation movies first to renew people's interest in the series and re-ignite hype for the 4th movie as well as future spin offs.
Fan service or not I was broken hearten for a long time with R2 and now my heart is fulfilled seeing him alive.
I want more lelouch in my life
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Lelouch vi brittania commands you be happy😊
Re:surrection is meant to be a happier ending for C.C. and the fanservice as said by Taniguchi himself, theres an article by a translator who translated a QnA about the movie.
I think the movie actually made sense. Even if he stayed dead, Lelouch's death would have bought only a decade or so of peace at best. People are always going to fight and have problems, that's just human nature. With his geass and brilliant mind, Lelouch is actually more useful to the world alive than dead. He can easily watch over and protect the world from the shadows with CC in secret.
I feel that beside fan-service Re;surrection had the objective to kick-start the idea that at least in the new timeline the Zero Requiem plan was not "perfect" which means that there is still conflict around the world which, in turn, mean that Sunrise can pop out more Code Geass-related content
Its actually quite realistic when you think about it. The world will always have conflicts and problems. That's just human nature. Everyone thinks Emperor Lelouch is dead so even if he isn't, his goal is achieved all the same and now he can travel the world with CC solving geass related problems as LL :)
@@Elly3981 Man I really hope the do that (the whole "solving Geass-relates conflicts" thing). Because in the after-credits scene, you see those two again. Lelouch is talking to someone the same way C.C. talked to him when their contract was made... So that could mean that he's giving someone a Geass power... If he really wanted peace in the world he wouldn't give that kind of power to other people since that could possibly ruin that peace he made... Thar's a question I need answered on the new sequel.
@@martinaguiluz4063 Lelouch has both his geass and a code, I think. That is unique to him. He cannot grant geass to others, only CC can, that is unique to her.
@@Elly3981 I'm pretty sure that every person with a Code can give a Geass power to other people. It happened with that nun, who gave C.C. her geass and forced her to take her code and it's stated that Charles got a geass from V.V. as well, so I don't think that only C.C. can give Geass powers. While I do like that Lelouch now has a Code and his Geass, I would also like an explanation as to why he has both (aside from a reference to the title of the franchise). While this movie is still pretty good (from a CG fan POV) it really didn't explain various plotlines reguarding C's World, the Geass and the exact process of Lelouch's resurrection.
OOH WELCOME BACK!
I like the fact that this movie gave a little more detail on how C's world worked. It was always a bit of mystery I found personally. I really hope the next ones explore how C.C. and L.L. go deeper down the Geass rabbit hole.
Yeah, imagine my shock and awe when I learned in this movie timeline that certain character ended up living! As an anime only staying away from the movies I was really confused 😅
I'm happy they decided to split the timeline up from the recap movie timeline and the show timeline so they could do fun stuff like this and still have the show's ending remain untouched in a way
The original show's ending was actually quite unrealistic if you think about it. The world is always gonna have conflicts, fighting, problems, etc. Even if Lelouch stayed dead, his death would have only bought a decade or so of peace at best. So the movies recaps and Lelouch of the Resurrection actually made sense if you think about it. With his geass and brilliant mind, Lelouch is more useful to the world alive than dead. He doesn't have to be in the spotlight like he was when he was emperor and Zero, he can secretly watch over the world and protect it from the shadows with CC.
@@Elly3981 no
Movie for the fans:
Other than Xing ke fans...
Imagine my reaction when I saw Xing Ke in the begining, and then understood that the people shown on the screen in Zero's Cafe were all dead
Such a waste of potential :'(
@@branford2606 not much they could really do, that man was on a timer as is in the original series and as cool as he was, if he just "got better" that would turn ruin the tension he did have in the original series.
@@Nerwrax15 I kinda agree, but look at what they did to Jeremiah x)
@@Nerwrax15 Xing Ke suffered from Tuberculosis which is a curable disease so it wouldn't be unusual if he survived and recovered provided that he got treatment in a timely manner.
@@branford2606 I'm not sure if Xing Ke actually died in the original series or managed to recover. Both are entirely possible and depends if he managed to get treatment in time. Tuberculosis is curable.
Funny thing about wanting code geass without lelouch is like asking for your favorite meal without the meal inside. Yknow.
Honestly I'm on the same boat with wanting Code Geass without Lelouch for once. The premise that the world has gotten divided again after some time since the Zero Requirm was an awesome idea and felt like a logical continuation (I mean, do you really expect humanity to sustain world peace?) It would've been so much cooler without Lelouch though and see how the gang copes without a genious with super powers to help them. I'd've loved to see something like Karen and Suzaku leading a battle instead of Lelouch, and how they'd solve problems in their own way without relying on the seagull-eye-man.
So anyway nice to see you upload again bro
Mmm, having Lelouch take to the backstage, doing things in the backdrop would be nice. And also able to serve as a Deus Ex Machina for pretty much any situation if its actually necessary.
And I also think that RE:surrection demonstrated why lelouch can't be the Main Character anymore. He took down a country with a Prophetic geass user, with Kallen, Susaku and Cornellia and Knights (they were like what, 30 of them?). With his connections to the people in Power, with the resources of the United Nations and the Black Knights. There is nothing in the vein of 'Mecha Anime' that Lelouch would be challenged by that could happen in that verse (outside of a alien invasion I suppose, but for gods sake don't go there ^^).
"seagull-eye-man" best description of Lelouch ever!
@@Nathan_Moor yeah, i would've liked lelouch as the dude that manipulates things throughout the story. that's always been who he is
The one thing I wanted to see was Suzaku AS Zero, but he really is only wearing the costume and escorting Nunnally around, i want to see how Suzaku would handle a situation where he has full command of a knightmare unit, sure he is not on the same mental level as Lelouch but his skills in combat could make up the difference. On the plus side Suzaku does return to being Zero again at the end of the film so its still not too late to see him in action.
@@Nerwrax15 That's indeed what I wanted to see for Resurrection. To see how Suzaku fits into the role of Zero. How he leads, how he thinks. But they only showed him wearing the suit and not actually doing much of anything.
Its a shame because you could tell there was more they wanted to do with the story as shown with the unused footage in that very first teaser released years ago. But they folded to the pressure and went the easy route of having literally everything revolve around Lelouch.
I agree. I would love to see a continuation of the story in this world. Without Lelouch. Lelouch's story ended years ago. Let someone else take the protagonist role.
Oya oya, seems that someone remembered that this channel exists 😳
I was missing your videos
If Code Geass was a Visual Novel :
Original R1 + R2 = True Ending
Recap Movies + Resurrection = Good Ending
I found myself agreeing on a lot here. The movie was super enjoyable, but I would be happier to see the story move forward in a new direction for future installments.
With how Ressurection ended, it does seem to be building in a new direction without Lelouche as the main character, but he's still around. As much as I'd like to see him take a mentor role like the seem to be foreshadowing, I worry he'd overshadow whatever new main character they'd introduce if he was as in as much proximity to them as C.C was to him. Still, though, I can see why they tried to play it as painfully safe as possible with this movie just to see if the audience was still there, and in an ideal world, they'll start taking risks now that they saw the movie was pretty profitable.
Yes, they basically end up sending Lelouch away at the end, so there's more room for other things to happen without him as the protagonist.
It would be so cool if they made a series about lelouch’s past instead, I’d love to see his life before the rebellion
I suppose you may (or may not) heard the news about the NEW series coming out next year.
Also (as I'm typing this): Lelouch's birthday was "yesterday". Just in case that wasn't known.
*"Don't be sad because it ended,be happy because it happened"*
6:55
Lelouch literally turns to the camera and says: Suka(Bliat)
For someone who enjoys Code Geass, the rewatchability of this movie is something I've never experienced before. No matter how many times I watch it, it's still great way to take a break from the real world.
It's always awesome when a video essay so perfectly articulates my feelings.
Lelouch granted the world's wish of peace in R2.
While Lelouch granted CC's and his' wish in R3.
Can you do the Oregairu Season 3 "How Hachiman outwitted Yukinoshita mom in Episode 11" . It was so good.
He didn't grant CCs wish though. Her wish was to die. She's still alive.
@@osuWhite her wish at the beginning of the series is dying yes. But after meeting Lelouch and interacting with him she wanted to be with someone else that's why she wanted to revive Lelouch. CC declining Lelouch to accompany her in the end of the movie is just her being considerate of Kallen, Nunally and Shirley's feelings towards Lelouch. Cc wanted Lelouch to spend his time to either of those 3. But deep down she wanted to be with Lelouch.
@@osuWhite her wish wasn't to die her wish was to be loved I'm pretty sure that was said or explicitly hinted in r2
@@sunnecas Her wish for the Geass was to be loved, yes, but after living with immortality for centuries she wanted to die. Her arc in the original series is learning to accept her situation and live life on her own terms.
great video as always bro. I rewatched the movie just to be prepared for this video and you delivered a great one!
This video actually made me finally go and watch this movie after putting it off for a whole year. And yeah, this video very much sums up how I feel about it too. I was entertained, but so many things didn't make sense that I just had to chalk it up as high budget fan fiction.
6:55 damn never noticed that. I was looking at the subtitles not his eyes lol
I never thought of that looking at the camera moment as directed at the viewer because he used the word “again” whereas there was no other instance of viewers saving him before in the series so it wouldn’t make sense for it to be directed at us.
I hope the 10 year plan has a proper plot
I hope the "Next 10 Years Project" announced mean we'll finally get some of the more obscure side-material like Oz the Reflection (Which gets a reference in Re;surrection during the Cafe Zero 2 scene) or the Lost Colors visual novel out for western audiences.
I agree when you said that Lelouch the Re;surrection was a fanservice movie xD personally, I liked it but think it could've worked out better if they made at least a 6 or 12 episode special about it. I really wanted to know more about the new characters and have the old characters interact in a more... natural pace? For me the movie felt really fast and at the end I was just "Wait that's it?" But it's probably to make room for new installments
Ah yes , return of the king
R3 was not bad.
Granted, alot of stuff became uncannon but it was still beautiful and gave a new beautiful end
Great video as usual.
Honestly, I watched this movie a few times now and never clocked that the hands represented the audience (I feel very dumb but enlightened). I was hoping that was set up for future arcs but if it is the audience, I share your concern and dissatisfaction.
The fact that they chose Lelouch’s birthday (this saturday) to announce the next step makes me fairly certain that they intend to use Lelouch in the future as well.
For the entirity of the series, Lelouch had clear goals and motivations that the ultimately fulfilled. I honedtly don’t know what drives Lelouch in the future and that scares me.
Also, glad you’re back haha
Yeah the second I heard about that announcement being timed with his birthday I was like "well fuck there goes that". I originally had this one scheduled to come out on the 5th FOR his birthday, but I didn't want my thoughts on the matter being instantly made irrelevant by whatever we learn then.
This movie feels like a painful dream where one of the characters - perhaps... Suzaku - blinks awake and remembers Lelouch is still gone.
I forget why I subscribed to this channel, probably either code Geass or if you did an outer wilds video, but god am I happy to see you do a video on my favorite anime ever, okay the movie of it but still
Totally agree with it being a fanservice-y additional story to the series! I did like some adds we got with like watching Lelouch work through the time-loop, seeing his plans/typing and hearing the moves he was losing was actually really fun. Like at least the strategy while not as big brain or dramatically exciting, it was still fun to listen to him work. I feel like it was a little different than the usually set up just because we knew like one more factor of his plans than we typically do. Maybe not tho.
I loved it. Since this movie is part of the trilogy movies and not the original two seasons, I can seperate it as a what if story. The after story where Lelouch and C.C go around looking for fragments of Geass is something I would like to see.
The Akito movies, even without Lelouch, are great. The soundtracks, higher quality fights and the whole thing with everyone and the gypsies at the end was a good closing. I did wish for a crossover with main Code Geass but oh well.
And that's my exact problem with it, i don't care about "what if's", that's the reason why i also hated Steins Gate 0.
Been waiting for a video on this topic
Welcome back, I've always loved your content specially your analysis of hyouka and snafu, the is an anime called beautiful bones sakurako's investigation I think you will enjoy it, it gives me some feeling of some memorable hyouka moments, I hope you can see them if you can watch it. Thanks for the content you make and once again welcome back
I don't think all the characters being shoehorned in is not just fan-service. Code Geass is one of those shows known for a huge number of characters that all do something and appear in a short time frame, and we are able to get familiar with all of them. If this movie failed to include any of them it would be incomplete...
I felt rather similar to what you've expressed when I saw the film in theaters last year. I sometimes find myself equating this to the Yugioh: Dark Side of Dimensions movie that came out in 2016. It's a fun nostalgic fanservice movie with a lot of reverence for most of its returning characters and little details that become cute references, but with a weak and silly plot carried by antagonists who only have moments where they can seem interesting and sympathetic, rather than being genuinely engaging or fleshed out enough to care about. It's one of those "let's introduce an endangered society that actually was around before/since series timeline and not explain how they could have never factored in until now" plots where character dynamics and interactions get more focus and care concerning their craft than the plot or new elements do. They both also have one of the main characters and their relationship with the main protagonist be what effectively kickstarts the film and gets everyone from place to place (Kaiba wanting his salty runback at any cost so he challenges the MC and main antagonist in a 3-way duel, and C.C. taking care of Zombie Lelouch and us exploring how much he loves him after the film trilogy timeline focused more heavily on their developing relationship than the series did).
It's kind of a dumb meme nostalgia-pandering fanservice movie, but that's kinda all it needed to be to still find itself worthwhile now that they played it self and make an alternate timeline just for it. I just wish it did a little more to make me care about the new antagonists and not question some of the writing regarding these new elements. Seeing the consequences Zrro Requiem had on the characters and how each of them process Lelouch's return in different ways as a result of their individual baggage and personalities was the best part of the film and is what made this otherwise kinda "meh" project a worthwhile experience. I do wish I likes the audioviduals more since I think the CGI is still a bit of a clunker here and that the score pales in comparison to either of the main series OSTs.
Also, I've been waiting for years for them to have an installment that finally explores the downfall of the EU that Code Geass kept bringing up but never showing. One of the reasons I hate Akito the Exiled so much (and there are many) is hoe it does absolutely none of thst despite being a Geass side story interquel, and instead just focused on some boring, badly-written Britannians with rushed development and little personality as they mainly do subjugated Britannia resistance things instead of exploring anything the series left open for side stories to do.
Here's a fun fact regarding Code Geass R1 - In the first episode, the final line is Lelouch narrating the story, meaning from beginning to end it was not a show in the present, but a memory of the past from Lelouch's perspective, with a few holes filled in via his companions. (Namely Suzaku and C.C. as you see their perspective the most)
I feel like is they did a revamp regarding this lone fact, and made a genuine story instead of a quick movie that's a mecha-political struggle, it would have had more room for development.
amazing video
gave me a new perspective on this new installment of code geass
What I hoped for in movie would be more moments including cc and Kallen concerning thier love for lelouch and Kallen releasing that cc needs lelouch more and I wouldn't mind if lelouch had opened up more about his feeling towards either of them
Thank you for putting my feelings of this movie into actual words
What's your opinion on the ending scene of Lelouch and C.C?
This is what I came for. Personally I find it to be the most egregious scene in the movie, as it completely undermines lelouch's character that the first two seasons established.
@@osuWhite how does it completely undermine Lelouch's character?
This was actually the best review of the movie i have seen yet. I tackels a lot of details in the movie and your honest and fluent with your opinion. I can relate to your opinion 100%. I just hope that the franchise can go somewhere without needing Lelouche.
Btw, thia was such a good video that you got a new sub today. Keep making banger videos like this one! Can't wait to see more.
Would’ve been cool if this was made on lelouch’s birthday 🥺
This movie isn't based on the R1 & R2 seasons of the original anime. It is based on the 3 "recap" movies, which changed some parts of the original story, that is why you may see things like Shirley being alive as "fan service" but it's not. You can look at it as an alternate timeline if you want but the reality is that this is the new timeline that the author will be following, proof of this is that the new anime coming takes place after the events of the resurrection movie.
The movie could have easily been written to follow the timeline of the TV series but since Code Geass is over ten years old, they made the recap movies to get people interested in CG again and re-ignite hype for Lelouch of the Resurrection and future spin-offs. As much as I loved the original series, at times, I felt like it had too much unnecessary filler which the movies did cut out and was more straight to the point. They also redid certian scenes and made them better than the original where they look kinda weird and awkward.
shirley is completely unnecessary wether in an anime sequel or a movie sequel, her death had meaning. Resurrection continuing after s2 would work basically the same, c.c can resurrect him in both cases.
To me, both endings are excellent endings and don't even necessarily cancel each other.
The Requiem had to happen, but the questions of Charles' Code and Lelouch Promise to C.C, remained open, and to some extant this final doubt on Lelouch's death was perfectly fitting to the character. Also, as he states multiple times in Resurrection, he's only passing by, because he was L.L. from the moment C.C. brought his spirit back, he's not human, he's not Lelouch anymore and his role on earth as a mortal was fullfilled.
Had Nunnally not been captured, CC would have brought him back anyway and the ending of the film would still be the same.
I just love this idea of these two and their relationship as immortals roaming the world, spreading mischief and geasses as seen in the post-credit scene of Resurrection (where it seems they both wear wedding clothes ?). But I'm of the romantic type.
But isnt this film based on the other films and not the actual show? And things happen differntly in them right
Yeah, that seems like a really big missed point here.
@@Purplemen101 yea unfortuntly but i mean this is how alot of people experianced it to be fair but i think it should have been pointed out in the video
@@Purplemen101 How does him not explicitly mentioning the recap/alt universe films ultimately weaken any of his points brought up here, given that he DOES in fact mention that this movie takes place in an alternate universe to the original tv series?
@@cobalt3727 I... didn't say it weakens any of the points? I just said he missed a big point
@@cobalt3727 it not so much it weakens but he states as if thats the intended way for the audience to view it. He should have atleast said something about how the changes are seen in the movies instead of just pointing the cganges out and saying they are wrong
That's right, I'm here after the announcement of the mobile game/new series. Legit saw this vid today thinking we'd never get anything after the reception from R3. My god.
Wait a minute. MOBILE GAME?!
I liked your take on the film despite some of my disagreements with them. The main one comes early one where you are incorrect about the reason for Shirley being in this universe. I am not sure if you have seen the alternative universe films but they tell a different version of the original anime.
But in that film,
1. Shirley never finds out that Lelouch is Zero
2. Her dad is not killed at Narita
3. And Mao is not in the story.
4. Jeremiah only erases Charles Geass effect on her since Lelouch never uses his Geass on her, to begin with.
The reason why I mention this is because the writers carefully create a universe where Shirley is in this universe.
But now to the point where you are incorrect. Shirley was "brought back" in this world to help deliver Lelouch's body to C.C.
This was explained the Lelouch of the Re;surrection and hinted to at the end of Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion III - Glorification.
Also, the friend brigade never fully reunites either in this film so I am not sure where the explanation even came from.
I also did not feel that showing any of the previous characters came across as forced as they did have a role to play in the story. I think you did point this out.
But I will end this comment on a positive from your review which is your take on Kallen and how it is a metaphor for how you felt about the film.
Also, I agree that the film had a lot of fan service and probably was only created to just get Lelouch back into the series.
I am very excited about the December 5 reveal and remember even if the next Code Geass content that comes out is bad at least it will take place in an alternative universe so it does not ruin the brilliance of the Zero Requiem in R2.
Nothing you bring up here is inconsistent with what Replay said. He says at the beginning that it was set in an alternate universe where Shirley survived, and given that this whole video is about how it's "for the fans" - I would interpret the statement "brought back for the childhood friend brigade" to be "for the people who love / root for Shirley".
@@cobalt3727 He stated "the timeline it takes places bring back Shirley JUST for the childhood friend brigade" I proved that is incorrect as she was not killed off in the new films because she serves a role in bringing Lelouch's body to C.C. Replay Value made it seem like the creators just brought back Shirley to appease fans and she had no role other than that in the story.
There is more proof to this because he never states that Shirley did in fact bring Lelouch's body to C.C. Also the terms brought back are misleading as she never died in this new universe, to begin with. I interpret brought back as Replay Value never watched the first three films and simply assumed that only in this film was she "brought back".
{"I would interpret the statement "brought back for the childhood friend brigade" to be "for the people who love / root for Shirley"}." That is quite a reach but that's fine. The problem I have with it is again it implies that Shirley had no role in the story.
The other thing that I cannot stand about this interpretation and obviously Replay Value can comment if this is true or not, is how people only point to Shirley's living in this new universe as if it happened in a vacuum.
Meaning that nothing else changes and the creators just made her not die in this new version. When that's is completely untrue. The writers created an entirely different story where Shirley lives. If she was "just" there for fan service or for those who rooted for her then I doubt the effort put in to change the universe for her to live would have been as carefully planned as it was.
It's reasonable to argue that characters were in this film for fan service but it's not if you are saying they were only in the film for fanservice. This is what Replay Value said about Shirley but to his credit, he did not say that about everyone.
I think you’re right about the Kallen thing on the other hand, pointless movie was pointless.
Manga: Resurrection doesn't take place in the universe of the movies, but in the universe of the first two seasons, so he's alive there as well.
I think this movie can be ignored and those who finished R1 and R2 can just stay at Zero Requiem ending and I find that ensuring for those who doesn't want answer where lelouch is and those who want. And I think the creator realizes it by throwing a movie instead of a series
I haven’t seen the film but it sounds like you’re describing theatrical filler. Which I guess most anime movies based on intoning series are.
Enjoyable mess is the best way to describe this movie
I think the movie was definitely meant to be a fanservice film, but we're getting a new announcement of a different project coming up within days. Hopefully that will take more risks after they confirmed people still like the property.
I know there are those who claim the Code Geass movies are cheap cash grabs but let's be honest here. Even if Lelouch stayed dead, his death would buy only a decade or so of peace before someone started stirring the pot again, as you can see in Lelouch of the Resurrection movie. Fighting is just human nature and have been going on since the first caveman threw a stone.
Ironically, it was Lelouch's parents who sought a world without conflict but their plan was also a bad idea. With his geass and brilliant mind, Lelouch would be more useful alive in maintaining the peace he achieved with his Zero Requiem, even if he has to watch over the world from the shadows. As long as everyone believed he was dead, his goal was achieved all the same. No one has to know other than his closes friends and allies. So IMO, this movie as well as the compilation movies before it was actually a good idea.
I don't think we'll get future installments.
They turned a season into a packed movie. It was shallow but fun. Important moments were only ever briefly on screen, no goodbyes were said, and what even was that postcredit scene referencing?
This is my favorite anime, and the movie gave me what I wanted, but feeling kind of jipped. Can't have my cake and eat it too I guess, as they say.
"pointless" is a wild take the point is that it is swag asf and big daddy L finally gets happy ending with cc I get that the ending of the og anime is heat and a masterpiece but it leaves the watcher wanting more and if u watch the movies then Re;surrection the inconsistancys that you mention are minimal
spelling L ive had like 8 bud lights cut me some slack
Code Geass is the greatest trainwreck anime I've ever seen. Would definitely recommend.
it is fan service, but is aware that is fan service.
let me explain, it is aware that the fans have been supporting the series all this time and takes the decision to have some respect to the fans, and being aware of itself is one form of doing it to.
but it also respects lelouch as a character.
"you look different" says kallen. and HE IS he no longer takes the zero role, in fact he takes out his masks to talk to cornelia, he doesn't stay by nunally's side because she actually doesn't need him, and it allows her to grow.
all of his goals are meet, he overthrow brittania, he solved his mother's murder, he created a better world for his loves ones.
so i like his ending, he is the perfect candidate to watch over the geass fragments alongside c.c.
he is no longer lelouch, he is now l.l.
7:50 took me a while to notice the background music.
Heyyy good to have you back!!!
wait wait wait...a third movie came out and I did not know it....I shall now relocate to the nearest dumpster and cry in shame.
Wow, you should do the walk of shame srsly ._.
Also a new anime series has been announced today for 2021.
@@eaglenebula2172 I thank you for this grate wisdom brother, I shall repent my sins.
So what you're saying is, the story told in the movie could have been pretty good and Zero Requiem could have been undone in a fairly interesting way if they had done a season 3? More time to flesh out Shamna and Shalio, to explore the effects of bringing Lelouch back, and to really go into the ideas of regret and forgiveness? Could've worked even as like a 10-episode series.
Also did anyone else think Kallen got shafted in the second half? She didn't talk to Lelouch at all after he got his consciousness back.
Kallen is not Kallen in this movie...but it's because of the society. She once lived in a society that would have called the real her a nutjob. Thanks to Lelouch literally owning the world, society finally treats Kallen like a person should be treated.
code geass has a pretty huge world building and lots of other characters too, the series has great potential. but overtime its quite apparent its sole reason for success lies with Lelouch the character. as consumers we dont mind that, but investors saw more potential in this IP than what it has now. I believe there are quite a few projects coming out next year, lets just hope this series could see more success
I've been missing these videos :)
I hope that for the next project it’s not lelouche centric, because I think it would be nice to see Kallen as a lead character.
I love characters like Kallen because of their emotional attachment to Lelouche and the emotion that's conveyed through their typical, "normal" interactions at school, and in a lot of the more "filler" style episodes throughout the series.
That said, even seeing more of them here it does make me question whether or not I wanted or needed more, because the reason I love the characters and the emotional moments in the original show is because of that human element, which is somewhat lost when death/resurrection are played with.
I have a lot of things to say when it comes to this series, but the most important element to me has always been the relationships that characters have with each other, and those relationships (I think) aren't embellished or evolved enough throughout this film for my tastes.
I went into this trying to connect it with HBO's watchmen. Watchmen and code geass have very similar themes especially regarding its conclusion. I'm interested in the new anime because i did want some reflection on the original even though I loved this movie
I don't know how anyone could have a problem with the film. You're not going to be able to fit 100% quality story in an hour and a half to two hour film. It took two seasons (50 episodes) to bring the story that Code Geass is. And the story here does not undo Zero Requiem: Zero Requiem's goal was to finally bring peace within the world, which it accomplished. Lelouch being brought back does not take away from that at all. As for the peace being disrupted, well, that WILL happen. Humanity can never exist in eternal peace. there will always be those who want to take from others. This movie was good, the soundtrack was great, and it brought closure to a lot of different aspects.
I agree with a lot that was said in this video. But to be honest I’m fine with Lelouch coming back, even in the anime as I don’t like how the trilogy movies changed things. I know that it would mess up the ending that is R2 but I like Lelouch so much that I’m fine with that. If more Code Geass content came out without Lelouch, while I’d be happy I can’t say I would be nearly as invested in watching it if it did have him. Sure I love Suzaku, Kallen, and C.C. but other then them I don’t really care for the other characters. Except the student council.
Hey, maybe we could also get a Code Geass Resurrection abridged parody or one of Akito the Exiled like the original series did.
When this was announced I was very apprehensive. I love Code Geass so much and the show ends in such a great finale that I didn't see any openings for a direct sequel like such. Although I still find the whole idea of How Lelouch survived still very mumbled and weird, I appreciate the movie for being a fan-service in its entirely, and the individual scenes were fantastic.
Like you pointed out, however, I am definitely earning for any future sequels to not dwell on Lelouch or the prides of the original series and make something new and just as exciting.
This movie is literally also the shortest in run time out of the trilogy before it.
I being wating for a new video in while haha Nice video like always.
Now wating for one for the Oregairu finals episodes ;D
I do agree that this was a fan service movie. A continuation of Koudou, Handou, and Oudou.
I'm just hoping Z of the Recapture doesn't have Lelouch in it 🤞
p.s. I love your videos! You're one of my favorite Anime channels and the reason I watched Hyouka which is now my 3rd favorite show!! With Code Geass being first ofc ;)
Just finished watch it after putting it off for a year and i completely agree with you! Love both ending, different timeline is such a “wise” idea considering zero requiem is way too perfect 😆
I have mixed feelings about Code Geass, most of it I thought was pretty meh, for a show ostensibly about a tactical genius I found the battles uninspired. At times I hated it for putting the plot on hold for high school shenanigans when I wanted to see a serious story. At the same time the high points were so fucking high, I loved the tragedy of how the pains he had to face was largely because of his own hubris, and the ending was probably the best I've seen or read in any medium. As such I haven't seen this film or any other Code Geass except the original anime, I don't really care about the fan service as spoken about in this video, but if this film or any other comes anywhere close to the emotional high points of the original, I'd really like to watch it. Should I watch this movie?
Probably not. It's a waste of time and the ending drives me ducking crazy with how it undermines lelouch's character
@@osuWhite Thanks
@@osuWhite ..how does the ending undermine his character?
this is like saying "the property has a main haracter - a hero/antihero. Can the rest of the universe carry a story, that revolved about the main character?".
Nah, son. It cant. Who u gonna make a focus of the narrative? An incompetent rebel? A resistance in shambles, which couldnt pull its weight without a leader? Or the remnants of the empire, who no longer have a strong enough enemy to fight?
They say u have 3 pieces to work with: story, character and the world. U gonna have to focus on at least 1. This was the character. Mass Effect was the character, but they wanted to milk the world. Star Wars was as much character, as the world.
How about talking about the new code geass anime and game that they've just announced in your new video?
does it make sense to watch this movie if youve already forgotten most of the series
The pointing at the moment with kallen as an example of how well the story can function without lelouch at best is a flawed one as it still relies on the character of lelouch to have that poignant moment.
Code geass isn’t at its heart a story about lelouch doing lelouch things it’s a story about lelouch because it is his story. To me at least. That doesn’t mean I don’t like the world or any other character but him but at the heart of it I see it as his tale, lelouches journey and while I would watch and like if it was good another code geass story to me they would always be living in the shadow of THE code geass story
I would much rather see cc and lelouches dynamic as post story immortals and as a couple than I would like to see war story 77b protect the peaceful world
I'm more or less of the same opinion
Funny how he uploaded this just days before the sequel to the movie announcement.
CHEESE KUN BEST... OBJECT IN THE WHOLE SERIES
R3 is a sequel from the first 3 movies, so to me it's not a fan service. We don't even know the origin of geass. I hope they show the journey of C.C. and L.L. in the next sequel. Waiting for December 5.