they should've just made him a super hard boss that can insta kill (to ward of players from trying to beat him) and if you were able to beat him, a cutscene would play were Buzzo kills Buddy, keeping the dialogue
ThetaBase I’m just wondering how she didn’t snap and kill all of the joy cult. We see in LISA: The Joyful that she’s able to murder literally anyone she chooses with no remorse, so why doesn’t she just kill everyone herself? It makes no sense
+Rosy Maple He was a main in my first playthrough along with Terry and Birdie not bad especially if you equip glasses on him and if he gets a crit he's practically doing as much dammage as an oiled up Hottest dance or Hellball so I usually used hype up on him even though I would have gotten more crits feeding him joy that would also be a dick move both for the game and Fardy so I didn't do that just used hype up...
probably what happens in the end it's the buzzo in his last moments kills Buddy. "i'll end this world now", he killed the last hope for salvation and therefore the world is doomed.
Or it was just the creator going "fuck you" to hackers trying to defeat Buzzo by just giving them a game over, but he didn't consider it was possible without hacks.
Uncle Skull You can't with just one but you could have a daughter with it and she could have another and it could keep going until there's a whole bunch of cunts to use
youtube profile Pregnancy is risky and nobody in Olathe can probably give Buddy proper medical treatment. Even if she only gave birth to female triplets and survived, sooner or later heavy inbreeding would be bound to happen once all the people who don't have 50% Buddy genes croak. Siblings fugging siblings. There is a good reason why incest is taboo in pretty much every society and why "inbred" is an insult. One of the defects that is rife among children conceived in such a way is sterility, alongside many, many others. btw Buddy has a son in the Joyful ending. xdddddddddddddd
Talk about a sore loser. Not only does he torment Brad in the worst ways he could think of, but he can’t even stand the idea of Brad having an advantage over him so he just cheats and ends the game before he has a chance to lose.
Honestly, i have no respect for buzzo. He blamed brad for lisa’s death, when it was obviously marty’s fault. And he goes all the way to torture brad during one of the darkest moments of his life.
cant really say he even knew what Marty was doing, and if he did, I assume he blames Brad for abandoning her to that fate. Deep down he knows it wasn't Brads fault but he needed to place his blame somewhere.
Well said! He sees how brad and him are similar in that they both cared for Lisa but also both couldn’t do enough to save her so Buzzo really just throws the hate that he has on himself on Brad to cope with his guilt
I wish he would been made to be extremely hard but not unbeatable by normal means, then run away like a psychotic puss until next time. Could have made all his attacks even perma-deaths to ward players away from this decision because he does have a machete that cuts in one swing. And he does love chopping limbs so it makes sense. Instead, he's a literal human nuke. Cool and disappointing at the same time.
@Vladislav Savchenkov I mean, it does take agency away from the player but that's kind of the point, in my opinion. Brad wouldn't feel like a real person if he could not only overcome his past trauma with Marty but also magically not give in to his impulses after the joy overdose. Not every game needs to have a dozen different branching paths. And this game is all about how sometimes people just can't change for the better even when they try.
@Vladislav Savchenkov Thank you! I was so sick of the game insisting that there was player choice and then ripping it away, especially for pointlessly awful scenes like the bulldozer (which is supposed to be played off as comedy, despite it being so grim). But fine, you want your damn ending so much? Fine. But for fuck's sake, could you have any of the choices affect. . . anything?? All you get is 1 party member (who still betrays you) and an achievement. Whoopty freggin do. (Also I would like to say that Rando being revealed to be Brad's adopted son makes this game so much worse, given the whole point of the game is "I want to know what it feels like to be loved". But that's another story)
@@Geminilion100 brad was a joy addict long before the game starts, and his addiction to protecting Buddy overshadowed any love he could ever show his son. The point is that from the beginning you didnt have a choice. Everything that happened was fueled by the side effects of Joy. You as a player were just as in control of brad before he became a monster as you were after. If you thought this was a story about “just wanting to be loved” you were mistaken, this is a story of pain, failure, and hardships. Abuse, Rape, alcoholism, death, and depression run rampant in this world. Which is why its ironic the drug people default to is “Joy”. This game is a slap in the face, trying to make everything hurt while maintaining the self depricating humor and irony that makes people laugh.
I believe he kills buddy, since he says "i'll end this world now" buddy is the last female known alive so killing her would end the world, correct? I honestly doubt he would have access to a nuke
I know a lot of people have said similar, but it would have been interesting for something else to happen instead; Like Buzzo fucking off with Buddy and letting you proceed on perhaps with a bit of dialogue like "Well... That wasn't as dumb as I thought" as opposed to just giving you game over.
I think the reason that it's so disappointing is that most of the game tries really hard to subvert your expectations and puts you in situations where you can think outside the box, but it explicitly punishes you for that here. If dingaling put a little more polish into the explanation for why this won't work (for example, when you get his health low, his minions jump in and subdue you) and gave an Easter egg as a reward (like a trophy that reduces your stats for bragging rights; you beat the toughest fight in the game so obviously combat is irrelevant plus the player is expecting a tangible reward so an item that punishes the player is right up the game's alley) It's just a very sloppy encounter and makes me wonder why even implement it this way to begin with. If you really don't want to allow for player success, don't put them in a position where they can succeed.
they should've just made him a super hard boss that can insta kill (to ward of players from trying to beat him) and if you were able to beat him, a cutscene would play were Buzzo kills Buddy, keeping the dialogue
@@Our_Remedy I'm partial to the former idea without the latter, tbh-- it forces the player to go into such a fight with absolute certainty that they can take Buzzo on without incurring a net loss. To have them defeat Buzzo only for Buzzo to abort the mission objective is unnecessary and also improbable given that he'd be beaten pretty badly and unable to do much of anything, let alone kill Buddy.
Buzzo didn't even died, he just realized you were cheating halfway through the fight and decided to destroy the world in retaliation. He's Frieza in every way.
they should've just made him a super hard boss that can insta kill (to ward of players from trying to beat him) and if you were able to beat him, a cutscene would play were Buzzo kills Buddy, keeping the dialogue since it would still fit
I'm suprised no one has made a crap fanfic about an alternate universe where brad beats buzzo the first time they meet since it would literally change the entire plot.
Rosy Maple As I said a crap fanfiction. So you hit it right on the nose my friend. Although I am still curious about what would have happened if buzzo actually lost and didn't pull the "destroy the world" stuff. Especially if brad could beat him before he was force fed joy.
SpaceCarvs I don't know, on a joyless run its implied brad could have held on if it wasn't for that last little push buzzo gave. It would have at the very least prevented brad from being so crazy for the rest of the game.
+deceptiveauto "Brad defeated Buzzo. And then he had sex with every member of his team. The end." There you go, I wrote that fanfic for ya. Highest quality.
Heehee the game immediately ends with all the Joy Boys and Brad's party members turning on him and beating him into paste and then fighting to the death over Buddy. She slips away in the confusion.
Gallagher here with sufficiently calmed tits. I see why it only has one ending now that ive played it fits the story. Still though it would have been cool if beating buzzo unlocked a secret ending.
As a reply to Rosy Maple's comment, that is certainly not true. You can poison him with Carp(and maybe other characters but I haven't the time to test them), and since he has a high luck and speed stat, survives more often than Fly would. Fly dies a LOT, in my experience, and when he did survive, his Super Puke didn't do the effects that would stop Buzzo from attacking and being poisoned at the same time. Fly is a bit of a gamble to use, because he dies constantly and has a low luck stat. Anyways, you don't have to use this team to win- I used Fly, Geese(for Paralyzing Peck that would stun Buzzo), Buckets(for his "scary" coin flip that would also scare Buzzo-idk why Buzzo's scared of a coin flip, but whatever), Carp(for his poison mist), and Brad because he has to be there. If only Dingaling would give the player an achievement for defeating him(or Demon X, since they're programmed the same way). Anyways, I would love to see you beat Demon X!
+jkb5954 I didn't know that :O I thought he was immune to most status effects. I don't have a save file at the Demon X fight so that'll have to wait til I get the urge to play through the game again. It probably won't be too long though!
Also if you actually kill him (should be really hard, I'm talking every attack is perma death) he just runs away like a pussy, you keep your arm or items sure. Though you probably lost a party member. Or 2, or everyone.
Austin really missed a chance here to deliver a real gut punch. Buzzo isn't supposed to be defeated, of course, but it IS possible to defeat him and just a "Fuck you this is game over" isn't even that bad even if the victory was cheated. What would have been terrifying, would've been if the scene continued and Buzzo would have actually killed Buddy in a following cutscene. One could even keep the "I'll end this world now" line. Or even better, have changed it to "I'll end YOUR world now", because that's what Buddy is to Brad. Then have the game linger on Buddy's corpse just a bit and cut to black with a slow Buzzo laugh. Game over.
The creator did not expect a victory on the players part in this battle and as a result this ending ensued or they did expect this and the boss was a sore loser and killed the world via killing the protagonist daughter which is in character for him to do as he wanted the protagonist to suffer as much as possible
It’s stupid that you can’t beat Buzzo, even if that was the intention. Why make Buzzo unbeatable and then give us super bosses like Satan? I know he’s story relevant but what is supposed to be special about Buzzo that doesnt apply to everyone else? It’s stupid. You can kill anyone and everyone else, but not Buzzo or demon x smh
Well, it'd kinda wreck the story, and it makes sense for it to happen, but instant game overs makes games seem kind of salty. "MEH, WELL...SCREW YOU! YOU DON'T GRT TO PLAY ANY MORE!"
Poisin kills in ten turns no matter the target's hp and deals 10% of their max health each turn. Buzzo has 999,999hp so it all nicely went into 10 turns.
i still find it really surprising that dingaling made extra dialogue for beating buzzo even though you're not supposed to, with some implications at that, if you like theories
MickDick l Well,what did you expect? It's like Dingaling to troll,but he can't do it without making it too OOC. He probably didn't think people would beat Buzzo,and yet,here we are.
Honestly one of my favorite fights in the game. The fact Buzzo upon being bested has the ability to destroy the world is such a cool and out of left field detail. I see people saying that they wish that Buzzo being defeated should have had an easter egg but I think itd kinda defeat the purpose of this scene.
Since they couldn't make him die after being defeated to imply that he's strong and important to the story,Dingaling should've at least made him retreat afterwards But no,once a Gary Stu,always a Gary Stu (and by "always" i mean until Joyful of course)
@@abcdefg7770 the man who taught him everything about combat(( possibly holding back)), beat him to a pulp with nothing but puke. His response? I'm going to stab buddy/self destruct. That's as Gary stu as it gets. Granted this is a rarity for him.
what a huge let down. not even a little cutscene. nope. just tells you to fuck right off. this right here-- along with mandatory grinding and back tracking-- is one of the reasons this game isn't perfect, in my eyes. in a game FULL of HARD decisions.. you can't decide to kill this guy, just because you're not supposed to? would've been cool to see him die, and have that affect Lisa Joyful, different scenes and endings. mhm. great video, man!
I kinda agree with you and kinda don't! Lisa was never really about hard decisions, despite what Austin said in the kickstarter. It's really just a linear struggle through a twisted world where a bunch of horrible things happen. It makes sense that you can't kill Buzzo, because he's just too strong. That's what makes him so unlikable as a villain. He holds all the cards and he uses his position of advantage to torture you at every turn. The game really didn't have any MANDATORY grinding per say. It actually becomes trivially easy (to the point that character levels really don't even matter) once you figure out which status effects are really effective (poison, scared, knocked down) and what's immune to them and what isn't (mutants are immune to most status effects but not all). This isn't really conveyed to the player very well though, and I'd say it would be almost impossible to discover a lot of these tricks if you mostly stuck to the same party for the whole game (which most players probably did). Maybe could have used more playtesters? Anyway, the game isn't perfect! But nothing's perfect. I still like it a lot.
Rosy Maple very well thought out comment! you really seem to have a deep knowledge of this game! seen in your videos and in your replies. I think a BIG issue for me is my dislike for RPGs in general, so it is kinda unfair of me to 'deduct points' for the grind or other mechanics that are just what the game is meant to be. you caught me red handed. I used the same party for most the game. at times, I did have to 'cheat' and refer to google cause I just felt so lost. but your guess sounds really right!.. maybe with more play testers, many issues could've been solved. and it's not like I HATE the game. I'd still give it a solid 8 or so. the writing is fantastic. the random oddities and humor are spectacular. it made me WANT to explore (at least until closer to the end of the game). and the story/writing.. ugh.. I really had to sit and digest at times. just sitting there. it's almost a psychological horror game. just so well done. kinda feel like it'd make a kick ass movie! if.. Hollywood ever chooses to touch on some of these.. very hard topics. recently, I've found that with the little time I have free, I prefer to play shorter games that focus more on the story. a short amazing experience. talking Undertale, pony island, and of course-- that brought me to Lisa. you seem very well educated. do you happen to have any recommendations for me?
Might give Hylics by Mason Lindroth a try. It's on itch.io for just a couple dollars. Should only take a few hours to beat. I recommend it mainly for the crazy art, but the gameplay is tightly designed and not grindy at all. It is an RPG still though.
Rosy Maple just saw the trailer. sooo trippy. great recommendation, I'll definitely check it out. if you think you know the 'whole' story behind the Lisa games, you should totally consider doing a video on that. I've been looking for a breakdown without any real luck. shows how great of a game this is so. I'm done with it and still looking to find out more about it.
Someone should make a mod where defeating Buzzo isn't a lose condition and you can just continue on without him harassing you. The downside is, Buddy dies vs Yado's Sweetheart because you killed Buzzo, ya dingus.
He takes joy a lot, I guess. Maybe he's been in the early stages of mutating for awhile, obtaining the inhuman strength from it but not losing his composure yet.
He's strong because he used to train under Brad, strong enough to take out a young rando. With how much stronger rando got, one could assume the same exponential grow for buzzo as well.
fitzgamer #999 it’s literally confirmed in the true ending of the game that it’s some sort of science experiment, probably military. Joy bears a suspicious resemblance to Methamphetamine (minus color) which was actually used on military troops back then, so it could be very well possible it was a new drug in testing before the apocalypse. I mean, the effects of Methamphetamine and Joy line up nearly 1:1 ✅ Bouts of rage and increased strength ✅ Decreased perception to pain ✅ Causes psychosis during withdrawal or prolonged use ✅ Highly addictive ✅ Is a neurotoxin which slowly causes insanity and eventually memory loss issues. Make of this what you will, but I find these parallels VERY suspicious.
@@jesfest i think its just cuz buzzo got some other cool joy, but honestly even then i feel like rando would beat the shit out of him. *i mean just look at rando! Guy could beat his entire army times 100*
You know people keep talking about buzzo killing buddy the moment he is defeated Buzzo can overpower buddy at full strenght im not so sure if he can when he is badly injured There were multiple moments in painful where it shows that buddy is a capable fighter maybe not enough right now due to lack of joy and experience But i think buddy can kill buzzo if he is injured enough Also you can't repopulate with one girl....
Doing this with harvey would’ve been way easier since his base skill always inflicts bleed. Or Yazan’s second ability where he throws the cat. Why does no one use those guys?
As if the world wasn’t already fucked enough with the mutants and zero minor vegetation Also I thought that he would nuke it but nvm apparently he kills the girl (r.I .p)
That's the worst reaction I can possibly think of. Even worse than game just stuck there, requiring reset situation. I've got similar impression from that "climbing up" point, where game just trolling player. There are line between just plain trolling and fun trolling, and it seems dev of this game have wrong sense about it.
I personally don't think this "end" is lame, it's just realistic for Buzzo. He never cared for Buddy, so he just kills her and make Brad suffer even more. I don't know but I just think this makes the most sense for Buzzo.
Buzzo is the kind of guy to make sure it doesn't matter if you beat him. My head canon for one reason or another is him setting off a nuke. The ending after the fight is so quickly timed that it's always given off that feeling
+Klyx Jds That last headbutt didn't actually do anything. I was just kinda messing around with Brad since he's pretty much useless during this fight. Buzzo takes no damage from physical attacks. The poison is actually what finished him off. I don't know why he ends up with 9 health! Probably some sort of rounding thing with how poison works.
+JayMasterGamer390 Poison always does damage equal to 10% of the victim's health. Buzzo has a LOT of health but he still dies in ten rounds. The only challenge is surviving that long. ALSO! For some reason Fly seems to be the only one actually capable of poisoning him. Any poison attack from any other character won't affect him.
This is the equivalent of the DM getting pissed the party beat the BBEG or DMPC that's OP through sheer will and game mechanics and decided, "Fuck ya'll, rocks fall and everyone dies." Honestly? This is trash,
wait i'm sorry how is he taking damage? and 99999 damage at that? is it just the poison, and if so how is there a party member in the game that can deal 99999 damage with poison??
poison deals a percentage based amount of damage to the enemy it hits. Since Buzzo wasn't meant to be defeated he has one million HP, and 99,999 is right about 10% of that.
Rosy Maple Being just a little kid with a knife, he wouldn't get too far. He'd get pretty far with stupid adults around, but one mutant would probably rip him apart.
So you make full use of the game's mechanics and use all your characters' abilities to their full potential in order to beat the hardest enemy in the game, and the game rewards you by making you lose. What a trash game. At least the music is good.
I like that this can be interpreted as 2 ways. ending this world as in ending the actual world to the apocalypse or just ending the game with a game over.
![LISA: The First [PLAYTHROUGH]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BYFSRqfHYd8/mqdefault.jpg)
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Protip: Godlike foes can be beaten by puking on them
And bag flashing them*
And by playing a song
And rolling on them
Barf on him, throw a bag at him, sing a son and jump at him at full speed
@Twilight Tissue I hate you
well... its the game's way of saying "you weren't supposed to win! i will fix that."
they should've just made him a super hard boss that can insta kill (to ward of players from trying to beat him) and if you were able to beat him, a cutscene would play were Buzzo kills Buddy, keeping the dialogue
ThetaBase I’m just wondering how she didn’t snap and kill all of the joy cult. We see in LISA: The Joyful that she’s able to murder literally anyone she chooses with no remorse, so why doesn’t she just kill everyone herself? It makes no sense
@@wolfetteplays8894 this is before she is a joy addict
Nice Hex Maniac@@Our_Remedy
The gamer ending, where the dev gets mad your so good and can skip the rest of the game
Running someone with a truck and pumping them full with lead does jack shit while throwing up on them is a fatal attack -Shakespeare.
+One-Truck-Man Fardy is still my favorite
+Rosy Maple He was a main in my first playthrough along with Terry and Birdie not bad especially if you equip glasses on him and if he gets a crit he's practically doing as much dammage as an oiled up Hottest dance or Hellball so I usually used hype up on him even though I would have gotten more crits feeding him joy that would also be a dick move both for the game and Fardy so I didn't do that just used hype up...
probably what happens in the end it's the buzzo in his last moments kills Buddy. "i'll end this world now", he killed the last hope for salvation and therefore the world is doomed.
Or it was just the creator going "fuck you" to hackers trying to defeat Buzzo by just giving them a game over, but he didn't consider it was possible without hacks.
Silly game creators, thinking there aren't people who can outplay them on their own game.
Uncle Skull You can't with just one but you could have a daughter with it and she could have another and it could keep going until there's a whole bunch of cunts to use
Uncle Skull
Gotta multiply the cunts by square
youtube profile Pregnancy is risky and nobody in Olathe can probably give Buddy proper medical treatment.
Even if she only gave birth to female triplets and survived, sooner or later heavy inbreeding would be bound to happen once all the people who don't have 50% Buddy genes croak. Siblings fugging siblings.
There is a good reason why incest is taboo in pretty much every society and why "inbred" is an insult. One of the defects that is rife among children conceived in such a way is sterility, alongside many, many others.
btw Buddy has a son in the Joyful ending. xdddddddddddddd
" I'll end this world now "
*APOCALYPSE*
MAX GUNCH *IN THE APOCALYPSE*
Now we must begin the story of the few survivors of the *APOCALYPSE APOCALYPSE.*
*SECOND APOCALYPSE*
Dingaling confirmed that what he says is half true half ego, so Buzzo probably nukes the place as he dies.
or kills buddy
Killing Buddy, humanity's last chance and Brad's only reason to live, is worse than a nuke.
@@NotACutie no, he was being literal when he says "i'll end this world now" (confirmed by dingaling, the maker of Lisa)
@@aohu7505 Well yeah, killing buddy is how he ends the world - that, or he unleashes his power level and goes SSJ4 on the world.
@@NotACutie knowing dingaling, it's probably both
"NOOOOO!!! YOU CAN'T JUST DEFEAT AN UNKILLABLE NPC USING GAME MECHANICS NOOOO!!! I'LL END THIS WORLD NOW!!!!!"
"haha fly goes bzzzzzzz"
Talk about a sore loser.
Not only does he torment Brad in the worst ways he could think of, but he can’t even stand the idea of Brad having an advantage over him so he just cheats and ends the game before he has a chance to lose.
what a buzzo😂
I'm disappointed that there isn't some kind of easter egg for beating Buzzo.
+Komnenos There is. He says you made a mistake and gives you a game over!
Yeah, but that's kinda dumb.
He also implies that he has a way of destroying the world...
a_pleb There's no definitive proof that that whole segment is even canon.
there is definitly proof that something will go seriously wrong without him tho, Buddy would not have gotten the Vaccine.
And your prize is....NOTHING. YOU GET NOTHING SIR, YOU LOSE.
RipleyandWeeds GOOD DAY, SIR.
I was thinking more wheel of fish:
"... NOTHING!!! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! STUPID!!! YOU ARE SO STUPID!!!"
I mean he did get 86k views on the video that may generate some money for him so...
@@Fusrodog okay, I know I'm late, but is that a reference to rogue legacy?
@@reubenbailey7491 it's a reference to Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
I just watched a fly puke for 4 minutes
Honestly, i have no respect for buzzo. He blamed brad for lisa’s death, when it was obviously marty’s fault. And he goes all the way to torture brad during one of the darkest moments of his life.
And he saw dustins(randos)face off
mega michael you remember LISA: The Ruler? I remember that fanfic. It was kinda crazy.
@@wolfetteplays8894 i dont read fanfics
cant really say he even knew what Marty was doing, and if he did, I assume he blames Brad for abandoning her to that fate. Deep down he knows it wasn't Brads fault but he needed to place his blame somewhere.
Well said! He sees how brad and him are similar in that they both cared for Lisa but also both couldn’t do enough to save her so Buzzo really just throws the hate that he has on himself on Brad to cope with his guilt
This fight clearly shows you the definition of plot armor
I wish he would been made to be extremely hard but not unbeatable by normal means, then run away like a psychotic puss until next time. Could have made all his attacks even perma-deaths to ward players away from this decision because he does have a machete that cuts in one swing. And he does love chopping limbs so it makes sense.
Instead, he's a literal human nuke. Cool and disappointing at the same time.
Nah, he just kills buddy.
@@NotACutie no, he was being literal when he says "i'll end this world now" (confirmed by dingaling, the maker of Lisa)
@Vladislav Savchenkov I mean, it does take agency away from the player but that's kind of the point, in my opinion. Brad wouldn't feel like a real person if he could not only overcome his past trauma with Marty but also magically not give in to his impulses after the joy overdose.
Not every game needs to have a dozen different branching paths. And this game is all about how sometimes people just can't change for the better even when they try.
@Vladislav Savchenkov Thank you! I was so sick of the game insisting that there was player choice and then ripping it away, especially for pointlessly awful scenes like the bulldozer (which is supposed to be played off as comedy, despite it being so grim). But fine, you want your damn ending so much? Fine. But for fuck's sake, could you have any of the choices affect. . . anything?? All you get is 1 party member (who still betrays you) and an achievement. Whoopty freggin do.
(Also I would like to say that Rando being revealed to be Brad's adopted son makes this game so much worse, given the whole point of the game is "I want to know what it feels like to be loved". But that's another story)
@@Geminilion100 brad was a joy addict long before the game starts, and his addiction to protecting Buddy overshadowed any love he could ever show his son.
The point is that from the beginning you didnt have a choice. Everything that happened was fueled by the side effects of Joy. You as a player were just as in control of brad before he became a monster as you were after.
If you thought this was a story about “just wanting to be loved” you were mistaken, this is a story of pain, failure, and hardships. Abuse, Rape, alcoholism, death, and depression run rampant in this world. Which is why its ironic the drug people default to is “Joy”. This game is a slap in the face, trying to make everything hurt while maintaining the self depricating humor and irony that makes people laugh.
The song that plays during Buzzo's fight also appears in Lisa the First
Hey, you just defeated a human tank. What do you get?
Fucking nuked.
I believe he kills buddy, since he says "i'll end this world now" buddy is the last female known alive so killing her would end the world, correct? I honestly doubt he would have access to a nuke
I know a lot of people have said similar, but it would have been interesting for something else to happen instead; Like Buzzo fucking off with Buddy and letting you proceed on perhaps with a bit of dialogue like "Well... That wasn't as dumb as I thought" as opposed to just giving you game over.
Man. What a
_Buzzkill_
Heehee
I think the reason that it's so disappointing is that most of the game tries really hard to subvert your expectations and puts you in situations where you can think outside the box, but it explicitly punishes you for that here. If dingaling put a little more polish into the explanation for why this won't work (for example, when you get his health low, his minions jump in and subdue you) and gave an Easter egg as a reward (like a trophy that reduces your stats for bragging rights; you beat the toughest fight in the game so obviously combat is irrelevant plus the player is expecting a tangible reward so an item that punishes the player is right up the game's alley)
It's just a very sloppy encounter and makes me wonder why even implement it this way to begin with. If you really don't want to allow for player success, don't put them in a position where they can succeed.
What if him saying "I'll end this world now" just means he kills buddy? Considering you can only win the fight legit at that encounter
Seems plausible!
they should've just made him a super hard boss that can insta kill (to ward of players from trying to beat him) and if you were able to beat him, a cutscene would play were Buzzo kills Buddy, keeping the dialogue
@@Our_Remedy I'm partial to the former idea without the latter, tbh-- it forces the player to go into such a fight with absolute certainty that they can take Buzzo on without incurring a net loss. To have them defeat Buzzo only for Buzzo to abort the mission objective is unnecessary and also improbable given that he'd be beaten pretty badly and unable to do much of anything, let alone kill Buddy.
deceptiveauto it would make sense
Buddy isn't the last woman, so no.
so you think dingaling just pressed 9 until some limit in RPG maker said he couldnt press 9 anymore for buzzos HP?
It's over 9000!
yes
The OHHH SFX when you revive someone is so funny.
Buzzo didn't even died, he just realized you were cheating halfway through the fight and decided to destroy the world in retaliation. He's Frieza in every way.
Poison is the best attack in the game, it deals 10% of their max hp every turn instead of those pokemon games where it does like 3 damage every turn
imma cry cuz his battle theme is that nostalgic song from lisa the first when lisa has a memory of good times with her dad
y did they do that
Well, tbh, status stacking kills EVERYTHING, it's so broken it might as well be considered an exploit.
I'm fine with Dingaling not seeing this coming.
Ok, so you get a game over for winning? Wow!
Raymond Tracer well it's a fight you aren't meant to win
they should've just made him a super hard boss that can insta kill (to ward of players from trying to beat him) and if you were able to beat him, a cutscene would play were Buzzo kills Buddy, keeping the dialogue since it would still fit
I mean you beat the main antagonist, so it's a game over even if he didn't do nothing.
5:32 When you're a noob DM with super pro and troll-players that exploit and muder-hobo through the whole game
I love the song that plays during the fight, I wish it was possible to find a good loop of it.
Suppose I could upload it. It's surprisingly not included in Painful's soundtrack though
Rosy Maple Yeah I find that weird. Granted, its a tune from Lisa: The First as well.
It's "Love" from the First's OST
Rosy Maple it’s because it’s a sped up version of an actual song in the OST, the one titled LOVE.
Brroooooo... what if when you defeated buzzo rather than getting a game over, he runs away with only one arm
Lmao
you got your wish in joyful
Demon X: This is a video game, since it is I will give you instant game over.
Buzzo: sv_cheats 100, Godmode, unbindallexceptbuzzo, explodeworld
...demon x is stronger (i say while drowning in my own salt from trying to beat them)
The song that plays as you fight buzzo. It's something else man
*Buzzo is scared stiff*
all wins and no decision makes dingaling a dull boy
I'm suprised no one has made a crap fanfic about an alternate universe where brad beats buzzo the first time they meet since it would literally change the entire plot.
And then they KISSED
Rosy Maple As I said a crap fanfiction. So you hit it right on the nose my friend. Although I am still curious about what would have happened if buzzo actually lost and didn't pull the "destroy the world" stuff. Especially if brad could beat him before he was force fed joy.
+deceptiveauto
it really doesn't matter if Buzzo gave any joy to Brad in the hole game
Brad was already a joy addicted from the beggining
SpaceCarvs I don't know, on a joyless run its implied brad could have held on if it wasn't for that last little push buzzo gave. It would have at the very least prevented brad from being so crazy for the rest of the game.
+deceptiveauto
"Brad defeated Buzzo. And then he had sex with every member of his team. The end."
There you go, I wrote that fanfic for ya. Highest quality.
5:32 this is what we call in ttrpg terminology "rocks fall, every one dies"
now THAT'S what i call saying "you can't kill me if i kill everyone is dead"
You just get a game over for beating the hardest npc in the game? Gay
Heehee the game immediately ends with all the Joy Boys and Brad's party members turning on him and beating him into paste and then fighting to the death over Buddy. She slips away in the confusion.
I get the last word.
Gallagher here with sufficiently calmed tits. I see why it only has one ending now that ive played it fits the story. Still though it would have been cool if beating buzzo unlocked a secret ending.
Timothy Gallagher You could call "the entire world is exploded by magic" a kind of secret ending. ;)
i see the comment section is as mature and intricate as i would expect it too
Fun Fact:
Buzzo's Full name is Brenerd "Buzzo" Buttfart
Notice how he isn't smiling in this one
It’s kinda sad how he says he’ll destroy this world as he dies. As he’s the one who saves buddy and the world
As a reply to Rosy Maple's comment, that is certainly not true. You can poison him with Carp(and maybe other characters but I haven't the time to test them), and since he has a high luck and speed stat, survives more often than Fly would. Fly dies a LOT, in my experience, and when he did survive, his Super Puke didn't do the effects that would stop Buzzo from attacking and being poisoned at the same time.
Fly is a bit of a gamble to use, because he dies constantly and has a low luck stat. Anyways, you don't have to use this team to win- I used Fly, Geese(for Paralyzing Peck that would stun Buzzo), Buckets(for his "scary" coin flip that would also scare Buzzo-idk why Buzzo's scared of a coin flip, but whatever), Carp(for his poison mist), and Brad because he has to be there.
If only Dingaling would give the player an achievement for defeating him(or Demon X, since they're programmed the same way). Anyways, I would love to see you beat Demon X!
+jkb5954 I didn't know that :O I thought he was immune to most status effects. I don't have a save file at the Demon X fight so that'll have to wait til I get the urge to play through the game again. It probably won't be too long though!
Also if you actually kill him (should be really hard, I'm talking every attack is perma death) he just runs away like a pussy, you keep your arm or items sure. Though you probably lost a party member. Or 2, or everyone.
fun fact: Demon X does significantly more damage than Buzzo.
I like to think Brad holds back during every unwinnable fight
@@shinobidaniel_12 I mean, I would be holding back if you know the fight is unwinnable
Austin really missed a chance here to deliver a real gut punch.
Buzzo isn't supposed to be defeated, of course, but it IS possible to defeat him and just a "Fuck you this is game over" isn't even that bad even if the victory was cheated.
What would have been terrifying, would've been if the scene continued and Buzzo would have actually killed Buddy in a following cutscene. One could even keep the "I'll end this world now" line. Or even better, have changed it to "I'll end YOUR world now", because that's what Buddy is to Brad.
Then have the game linger on Buddy's corpse just a bit and cut to black with a slow Buzzo laugh. Game over.
I think a scene like that would outright ruin Brad's ending
The creator did not expect a victory on the players part in this battle and as a result this ending ensued or they did expect this and the boss was a sore loser and killed the world via killing the protagonist daughter which is in character for him to do as he wanted the protagonist to suffer as much as possible
Okay so buzzo has 999,999 hp... That really close to 1 Million holy shit
like, you made me use 10% of my power, man
Brad: Haha I win!
Buzzo: "Homeward bone"
It’s stupid that you can’t beat Buzzo, even if that was the intention. Why make Buzzo unbeatable and then give us super bosses like Satan? I know he’s story relevant but what is supposed to be special about Buzzo that doesnt apply to everyone else? It’s stupid. You can kill anyone and everyone else, but not Buzzo or demon x smh
yeah. brad wrecked his own team, then the rando army, and then rando, all in one go.
@@helio3928 he was becoming a joy mutant
Well, it'd kinda wreck the story, and it makes sense for it to happen, but instant game overs makes games seem kind of salty. "MEH, WELL...SCREW YOU! YOU DON'T GRT TO PLAY ANY MORE!"
that moment where you almost went off the cliff 3 seconds in the video
how possible unbeatable Buzzo that look Damage -99,999?
so dammm overpowered!
Poisin kills in ten turns no matter the target's hp and deals 10% of their max health each turn. Buzzo has 999,999hp so it all nicely went into 10 turns.
@@calmaxys3114 Yes, once poison is successfully inflicted
@@laurentiusmcmxcv Of course, that may be an issue. But the party shown in the video has some very good poison inflicting skills.
@@calmaxys3114And lucky shots too since Fly easily poisoned Buzzo from the get-go
I think Luck affects the chance debuffs are inflicted, right ?
@@laurentiusmcmxcv While not entirely sure, I do believe so.
So.... Buzzo is god confirmed
i still find it really surprising that dingaling made extra dialogue for beating buzzo even though you're not supposed to, with some implications at that, if you like theories
Extremely disappointing.
MickDick l Well,what did you expect?
It's like Dingaling to troll,but he can't do it without making it too OOC.
He probably didn't think people would beat Buzzo,and yet,here we are.
Player: wins "unbeatable" Buzzo by stacking status
Buzzo has never seen such bullshit before
que rabia!, no era tan dificil seguir la historia con un buzzo mal herido; gracias por la estrategia
Pero no vale la pena porque te da un Game Over al final
bro he end game by two word lol
Honestly one of my favorite fights in the game. The fact Buzzo upon being bested has the ability to destroy the world is such a cool and out of left field detail. I see people saying that they wish that Buzzo being defeated should have had an easter egg but I think itd kinda defeat the purpose of this scene.
I thought Buzzo was programmed to be invincible...
+AAA He was! Buzzo takes zero damage from any physical attack. But I guess Ding didn't account for players trying to poison him.
Since they couldn't make him die after being defeated to imply that he's strong and important to the story,Dingaling should've at least made him retreat afterwards
But no,once a Gary Stu,always a Gary Stu (and by "always" i mean until Joyful of course)
buzzo isn't a gary stu whatsoever
@@abcdefg7770 w h a t
@@paint1238 i mean he isnt
@@abcdefg7770 the man who taught him everything about combat(( possibly holding back)), beat him to a pulp with nothing but puke. His response? I'm going to stab buddy/self destruct. That's as Gary stu as it gets. Granted this is a rarity for him.
How in the fuck is he a Gary Stue, it's called plot armor.
fly truly makes everything easier
what a huge let down.
not even a little cutscene. nope.
just tells you to fuck right off.
this right here-- along with mandatory grinding and back tracking-- is one of the reasons this game isn't perfect, in my eyes.
in a game FULL of HARD decisions.. you can't decide to kill this guy, just because you're not supposed to? would've been cool to see him die, and have that affect Lisa Joyful, different scenes and endings. mhm.
great video, man!
I kinda agree with you and kinda don't! Lisa was never really about hard decisions, despite what Austin said in the kickstarter. It's really just a linear struggle through a twisted world where a bunch of horrible things happen. It makes sense that you can't kill Buzzo, because he's just too strong. That's what makes him so unlikable as a villain. He holds all the cards and he uses his position of advantage to torture you at every turn.
The game really didn't have any MANDATORY grinding per say. It actually becomes trivially easy (to the point that character levels really don't even matter) once you figure out which status effects are really effective (poison, scared, knocked down) and what's immune to them and what isn't (mutants are immune to most status effects but not all). This isn't really conveyed to the player very well though, and I'd say it would be almost impossible to discover a lot of these tricks if you mostly stuck to the same party for the whole game (which most players probably did). Maybe could have used more playtesters?
Anyway, the game isn't perfect! But nothing's perfect. I still like it a lot.
Rosy Maple very well thought out comment!
you really seem to have a deep knowledge of this game! seen in your videos and in your replies. I think a BIG issue for me is my dislike for RPGs in general, so it is kinda unfair of me to 'deduct points' for the grind or other mechanics that are just what the game is meant to be.
you caught me red handed. I used the same party for most the game. at times, I did have to 'cheat' and refer to google cause I just felt so lost. but your guess sounds really right!.. maybe with more play testers, many issues could've been solved.
and it's not like I HATE the game. I'd still give it a solid 8 or so. the writing is fantastic. the random oddities and humor are spectacular. it made me WANT to explore (at least until closer to the end of the game). and the story/writing.. ugh.. I really had to sit and digest at times. just sitting there. it's almost a psychological horror game. just so well done.
kinda feel like it'd make a kick ass movie! if.. Hollywood ever chooses to touch on some of these.. very hard topics.
recently, I've found that with the little time I have free, I prefer to play shorter games that focus more on the story. a short amazing experience. talking Undertale, pony island, and of course-- that brought me to Lisa.
you seem very well educated. do you happen to have any recommendations for me?
Might give Hylics by Mason Lindroth a try. It's on itch.io for just a couple dollars. Should only take a few hours to beat. I recommend it mainly for the crazy art, but the gameplay is tightly designed and not grindy at all. It is an RPG still though.
Rosy Maple just saw the trailer. sooo trippy. great recommendation, I'll definitely check it out.
if you think you know the 'whole' story behind the Lisa games, you should totally consider doing a video on that. I've been looking for a breakdown without any real luck.
shows how great of a game this is so. I'm done with it and still looking to find out more about it.
Hmm, that does sound fun. I'll consider it!
Someone should make a mod where defeating Buzzo isn't a lose condition and you can just continue on without him harassing you.
The downside is, Buddy dies vs Yado's Sweetheart because you killed Buzzo, ya dingus.
I guess in that world buzzo is the name of the lord.
All that work, and nothing cool happens? ripoff lisa confirmed to b bed
Robin Hoof pukes?!
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Wait are you Rosey from the wiki?
Why is buzzo so strong? (Lore-wise)
He takes joy a lot, I guess. Maybe he's been in the early stages of mutating for awhile, obtaining the inhuman strength from it but not losing his composure yet.
I don't know where this is said, but I heard that yado gave him a kind of special joy that made him this strong.
He's strong because he used to train under Brad, strong enough to take out a young rando. With how much stronger rando got, one could assume the same exponential grow for buzzo as well.
fitzgamer #999 it’s literally confirmed in the true ending of the game that it’s some sort of science experiment, probably military.
Joy bears a suspicious resemblance to Methamphetamine (minus color) which was actually used on military troops back then, so it could be very well possible it was a new drug in testing before the apocalypse. I mean, the effects of Methamphetamine and Joy line up nearly 1:1
✅ Bouts of rage and increased strength
✅ Decreased perception to pain
✅ Causes psychosis during withdrawal or prolonged use
✅ Highly addictive
✅ Is a neurotoxin which slowly causes insanity and eventually memory loss issues.
Make of this what you will, but I find these parallels VERY suspicious.
@@jesfest i think its just cuz buzzo got some other cool joy, but honestly even then i feel like rando would beat the shit out of him.
*i mean just look at rando! Guy could beat his entire army times 100*
Buzzo: You didn't win.
your team is surprisingly weird, how did you play without Terry at all?
You're amazing
does this guy die at all?
Yes, ironically enough his arm gets ripped off
You know people keep talking about buzzo killing buddy the moment he is defeated
Buzzo can overpower buddy at full strenght im not so sure if he can when he is badly injured
There were multiple moments in painful where it shows that buddy is a capable fighter maybe not enough right now due to lack of joy and experience
But i think buddy can kill buzzo if he is injured enough
Also you can't repopulate with one girl....
Well, Buzzo has his army with him, maybe they can kill Buddy.
Well....
That's a lot of arms
Doing this with harvey would’ve been way easier since his base skill always inflicts bleed. Or Yazan’s second ability where he throws the cat.
Why does no one use those guys?
As if the world wasn’t already fucked enough with the mutants and zero minor vegetation
Also I thought that he would nuke it but nvm apparently he kills the girl (r.I .p)
Kinda wish you got a secret ending for beating him
That's the worst reaction I can possibly think of. Even worse than game just stuck there, requiring reset situation. I've got similar impression from that "climbing up" point, where game just trolling player. There are line between just plain trolling and fun trolling, and it seems dev of this game have wrong sense about it.
I personally don't think this "end" is lame, it's just realistic for Buzzo. He never cared for Buddy, so he just kills her and make Brad suffer even more. I don't know but I just think this makes the most sense for Buzzo.
Buzzo is the kind of guy to make sure it doesn't matter if you beat him. My head canon for one reason or another is him setting off a nuke. The ending after the fight is so quickly timed that it's always given off that feeling
wait you did 99,999 damage to him....? wot?
+Klyx Jds Mhm! Poison kills in ten turns, no matter how much health the target has. And Buzzo has a LOT of health
+Rosy Maple I see
+Rosy Maple So why do you know how to end the fight with that one headbutt?
+Klyx Jds That last headbutt didn't actually do anything. I was just kinda messing around with Brad since he's pretty much useless during this fight. Buzzo takes no damage from physical attacks. The poison is actually what finished him off. I don't know why he ends up with 9 health! Probably some sort of rounding thing with how poison works.
+Rosy Maple Ah.
WOW! Incredible, men!
Would have been better if- Fly? What are you- AGH
What song plays during this fight?
Love from Lisa the First
that sucks.
yea
How exactly did you get poison to do so much damage if don't mind
+JayMasterGamer390 Poison always does damage equal to 10% of the victim's health. Buzzo has a LOT of health but he still dies in ten rounds. The only challenge is surviving that long. ALSO! For some reason Fly seems to be the only one actually capable of poisoning him. Any poison attack from any other character won't affect him.
Oh thanks I didn't even know that about poison
someone knows the name of the song?
Love from Lisa the First
Nice
This is the equivalent of the DM getting pissed the party beat the BBEG or DMPC that's OP through sheer will and game mechanics and decided,
"Fuck ya'll, rocks fall and everyone dies."
Honestly? This is trash,
I mean, the game thought you cheated.
*GAMERED*
Bo
What should have happened was the game just ended the program, be a more literal thing
laik za smuzo
wait i'm sorry how is he taking damage? and 99999 damage at that? is it just the poison, and if so how is there a party member in the game that can deal 99999 damage with poison??
poison deals a percentage based amount of damage to the enemy it hits. Since Buzzo wasn't meant to be defeated he has one million HP, and 99,999 is right about 10% of that.
hmm
dam
Wow so technically Buzz is one of the weakest enemies in the game he only took nine damage and that was enough to defeat him
So
Buzzo confirmed for Chara?
Watch out that one "#1 FAN" Fuckboi may come to start a meaningless flame war just because you mentioned Undertale
ItsHyperinvox
I don't even care, man. I'm like one of 4.5 people who love both games equally.
Undertale's cool! Chara wouldn't last five minutes in Olathe though heehee
Rosy Maple
Being just a little kid with a knife, he wouldn't get too far. He'd get pretty far with stupid adults around, but one mutant would probably rip him apart.
So Chara could just... not... fight the... mutants...?
So you make full use of the game's mechanics and use all your characters' abilities to their full potential in order to beat the hardest enemy in the game, and the game rewards you by making you lose. What a trash game. At least the music is good.
It's just a programming oversight, Dingaling forgot to give him poison immunity. This was just supposed to be a "fuck you" to hackers.
Randolf Littler Besides, Demon X is stronger.
ok buddy hitler
I like that this can be interpreted as 2 ways. ending this world as in ending the actual world to the apocalypse or just ending the game with a game over.