Honestly Karlach staying with you is the most heartbreaking thing to me, she's so desperate to be loved that she can't leave someone who doesn't respect her.
Seriously. As far as I know there is no dialogue option where she breaks up with you, no matter how mean you are in this encounter. You can break up with her, but she won’t end it.
I think its bc early in your relationship she gives you an option for it to be an open relationship and so considering its possible for the two of you to never confirm its exclusive she may realize that being open may have been permission to do it even though it was the 1 person shed rather you didnt with
@@lokiserpentem8534I don’t think it was an open relationship as such though was it? More an opportunity to bang someone else before you got serious with her to put it bluntly
Sad thing about Astarion is that he's lying. He basically tells you verbatim that he's not sure if he'll be able to be intimate for a long time. If you do end up being intimate with others (like w/ him in the brothel) he dissociates and doesn't have a good time. He's also pretty insecure about you sleeping with Halsin
@@katie5998 Is there a version in the brothel group scene where Astarion doesn't dissociate? Thought that always happens. Astarion is physically there for it but not mentally while Gale is not physically there but is mentally there.
@@sirus804 No, you're correct it always happens regardless of how his personal quest ends, the only difference is the variation, sorry if I was unclear on that. Acended he's a bit colder, as a vampire-spawn it's more obvious he's not happy. There a difference if you go to the brothel before his personal quest. If you do this, he tells you that he's uncomfortable and doesn't want to and the scene doesn't happen. I think he only agrees after his personal quest because he wants to believe that Cazador--the center-piece of his sexual trauma--being gone will have changed how he feels about it. It doesn't.
Agreed, and I think there's something that a lot of people are missing when they're wondering why Larian made Karlach 'forgive' the player: she's utterly desperate to hold onto the connection she has. she knows her days are numbered and that number is coming up quickly; she's hurt and aching and betrayed all at once, but you, the player, are the one shining beacon of what her hopes and positivity were funnelled into. Karlach isn't forgiving the player because it's what she wants to do, but rather because she has no choice if she wants to see any more good in the world for the few days she has left to walk it. I find her forgiveness of these characters to be equally - or even more - heartbreaking than the ones that ended the relationship.
Dude. I'm going to do it with my Destroyer run through. Just some girl whose sole purpose is to kill and destroy everything she comes across in every crappy worst decision ever way. Why? She was scorned and now hates the world and everything in it.
@@alvarodiazrodriguez2603 nah the trick to playing an edge lord run is not to play as Durge but as Tav. It’s more fun that way, sure you don’t get the option to eat Gales arm or kill everyone, but you can still be an asshole 🤷♀️
@@kiterafrey yeah I think Halsin is the only one who would be like “why didn’t you invite me to join”, the rest of them are hurt by this, even if they don’t outright say it
@@elenalizabeth Halsin actually told me no when I said he should've been there on my 1 non-Astarion run. He said, "Some experiences are meant just for you to enjoy." And then said something like "You deserve discoveries anew" only the first part of his statement stuck. I thought it was sweet.
@@advantius"Killing and eating babies? Yeah, I do that on a day that ends in y, but cheating on Wyll with the one who has his soul in a vice grip? By Bhaal, now that's going too far even for me!
She also knows just how sick and twisted the devils are at lies and manipulation. Both Karlach and Wyll should be fully aware of this and to me it makes sense why they should actually be more forgiving/understanding of it. At the very least if you pick the right dialogue options. At the end of the day it's a role playing game, the point is not the best or most effective outcome but the way you explain your own character's actions through those dialogue options.
I didn't really like her logic of, "She works for Zariel so she's pure evil." So did you, Karlach, so did you and you did horrible things following orders too. Yes, Karlach had it much worse than Mizora but it's not like Mizora is free from Zariel either. What would happen to Mizora if she defies Zariel? It's not that simple.
@@sirus804it actually is pretty simple because mizora straight up tells you how much she loves avernus while karlach constantly tells you how she'd rather die than go back. Mizora may not be serving zariel completely of her own will but she likes what she does and is undeniably evil
@@sirus804, Karlach literally told you that Mizora is part of Zariel's inner circle BY CHOICE. That's very different from being taken as a child, having your heart replaced, and being thrown in the Blood Wars where hesitation will get you killed.
@@coops1992 That's not evil, it's just taking advantage of a bad situation, and getting something mildly worthwhile out of being pacted to a half-devil babe.
@@mustsnip537 She got mad about this sort of stuff in my last playthrough, I'm not exactly sure what triggers it but there is something that will cause her to not be cool with sharing.
He disapproved of me not helping Wulbren and siding with Barcus which I thought was weird and had to of been a bug, It just seems really out of character for him to support siding with what is essentially a terrorist.
@@ColonelBragg apparently making a certain choice to finish his primary mission in act 1 can cause him to harden and become more ends-justifies-the-means (aka less heroically good) which would make sense as both a consequence of that major decision and him supporting wulbren instead of barcus. if he didn't do the thing in your run then i imagine it's just an oversight
Btw if you ever see a "Continue" option, it means you're not seeing the conversation choices you're supposed to. You gotta save/reload for them to load properly.
Whaaaat? I just assumed it was a break in long dialog. I did a few times feel like the conversation took a turn after clicking that! They're replying to something I didn't know I said? That sucks.
For the guys who can't read between the lines, Shadowheart was freaking furious. Get her some flowers before the next long rest, or kiss your lil old buddy goodbye.
Maybe with the first thing she said, but the second statement she made had it seem like she wanted attention too, not like she was mad that Tav did it with someone else. Also, she was cool with the drow twins as well, it all points to her not necessarily being super exclusive or jealous.
At first, she was annoyed that Tav would do it behind her back without even checking on how she'd feel about it, but I didn't really do much else to keep her liking me after that and she was totally cool. I think you're reading it wrong
@@gabrielov8027 When Shadowheart gets defensive, she says what she doesn't mean. At first she tries to manipulate MC into feeling guilty. She does value loyalty, and pointing out a swan is better at it is a clear jab into you conscience. She brings up the way she was raised as a reason why she shouldn't be jealous. It's like saying "my manners don't allow me to tell you go fck yourself".
@@ЯБезымянный-о5ф she fell back on shar so often through out the game. I mean as a way to dismiss the idea that she deserves happiness. Or just gave the party line, despite feeling differently about something that was said or an action. For her to then bring up that she expects it cause that's how she was raised as a sharaan, that stung for me. And I've only seen the video, Ive turned mizora down in my playthroughs. Yeah she will get with the drow twins, but she is also asked. Same with halsin. The way she responded to mizora, it was like she was hurt but she came to expect that behavior so she accepted it. Which would make me feel like an even bigger pos
I'm not gay, but Gale is my boy, hurting him like this hits deep. I could never bring myself to do such a thing. Even the Drow threesome, where he just dips out, hurts to watch.
Out of all the females, Laezel really seems the most hurt by it. Which is surprising for someone who claims not to believe in love. She clearly does, but doesnt want to adopt the concept in name.
By that point, you have completely turned her entire world on itself. You've shattered everything she's ever believed in and completely changed her outlook on life. During all this, you were her anchor. You were next to her when she began suffering the worst fate imaginable to her people: being infected by a mindflayer. You were there when her own people turned on her. You were there, standing next to her, as she spat in the face of the being she used to consider an actual god. Now, by doing this, you've destroyed the only true connection she has left. She finally learned what it was like to feel and to love, and you ripped away the one person she felt comfortable expressing this to.
I really, REALLY love not only the fantastic voiced dialogue but the way that casual betrayal locks you out of certain relationships. Noone does "Your choices have consequences" like Larian. Which reminds me: thank you SO MUCH to Naughty Gaming for posting for us scenes that I could never bring myself to do. ^_^
@@ChromaticEagle everyone who says this has no idea who his character is. He himself hints at and even says that sex means nothing to him because he's had to use it as a means to an end; it's even implied in the first scene where your character can make a remark about "It seems like you weren't all there." It's because sex for him is a form of manipulating people into liking him to lure them back to Cazadore; and now that he doesn't have to do that, it's just simple fun and nothing more. He's not putting on a front because of PTSD, he just genuinely doesn't care because he doesn't think it's important.
@@MCSPARTAN501 Of course it does. He was tortured and violently abused for 200. FUCKING. YEARS. His PTSD is going to seep into EVERYTHING he does. Which it does. That doesn't mean it's the sole reason he's comfortable with an open/poly relationship. Open and Poly relationships are real and normal and don't only exist as a result of trauma, i don't understand why people see the two sources of poly representation and immediately start blaming it on their trauma. They're traumatized because it makes for a good story, and being Poly expands on that story and who they are as an individual because it's interesting, not because it's a result of the trauma
Maybe, it’s because I chose to romance her in my solo playthrough, but the Lae’zel one hurt a lot. She’s gone her whole life without knowing love or tenderness, and when she finally opens herself up you just spit it in her face.
Love the Wyll disapproves in every single one. You'd think they'd have made it so those show up before or after cutscenes, but of course BG3 is a flawless masterpiece.
Minthara Reaction: ruclips.net/video/vyNLQZNRd7Q/видео.html She is currently still broken without the "debug book" mod 00:00:00 - Shadowheart 00:02:36 - Karlach 00:05:00 - Lae'zel 00:06:28 - Gale 00:08:06 - Halsin 00:09:30 - Wyll 00:11:33 - Astarion 00:12:50 - Default Wyll Non Romantic
To be honest, i don't think Shadowheart just ok this that, she seems upset to me about what happened, she just pretends that everything is fine. Really ok with this it's Halsin and Astarion
Agreed, it felt like she accepted it because that's what she was taught. (And we all know how well the sharrans taught) But she was also hoping for something different from the MC. Something better or more. Like she thought more of the MC and was disappointed. But be them twin drow or devils, I could never make these choices lol
@@trh3xa174 I know but I'm not too keen on sharing my fictional love interest with some npc... so yeah. The twins weren't bad, I just prefer her lighter route, and for me it didn't really fit. I am a romantic and I like the idea of shadow finding the type of love she never got while with shar. Which means no cheating for my character lol I think if I put this much thought into my last real relationship, it wouldn't have ended poorly 🤔
@@Dactess Well it's not really "cheating" since she's there for the 4-some though. When I did the twins in one playthrough they asked her to be in it and she wanted to be in it as well.
@@trh3xa174 pretty sure if she is with you, you can only do the foursome. I mean the MC isn't allowed to just go off with one of them. You can only partake with her involved. I believe. I didn't really focus too much on it in the game. So I guess her response of "if you're fine with sharing, I am." Fits her attitude. With mizora, you go behind her back. So I felt she was hurt by that. Still, after all the bs her character goes through, I feel she deserves the fairytale ending with a loyal partner that shows her real love and not that sharran bs. So as I said, no drow or devils for my character. As for naoise, I don't know how to classify that encounter. But that is just how I played.
I think Shadow Heart is BSing there to hide the hurt. In her Shar path, she talks about how they were forbidden from having relationships or even flings with each other because Shar demands your whole heart. She basically frames having relationships/ courting as something you have to trick and twist Shar's words and your own perspective on the action to excuse. So one of her stories aint right, and I'm guessing it's this one and not the path where she tells Tav that what they have can never be called love and resorted to using desecrating a Selune statue with the blood of the Night Song as an excuse to fuck Tav without Shar getting pissed.
Because game doesnt have different path answers for Selune and Shar Shadowhearts. Sharran will refuse you but you can still keep kissing her like Selune path. They didnt worked on that.
Astarion can pretend to take it in stride all he wants, but we all know that that tourtured, tramatized boi was actually gutted and probably didn't want to say anything in fear you'd leave him bevause he didn't know how to say "no" 😆😭
Really need someone do actually do this romance as the Wyll origin character, would be curious how it changes and the unique dialogue leading up to it.
I plan on working my way through all the origin characters. Will probably take me some time though. It took me 6 months to do all my Mass Effect Legendary Edition videos
Karlach's reaction is heartbreaking for me. If you romance Karlach, she's holding onto you for dear life, her heart and trust already torn to pieces by Gortash's betrayal and what felt life a lifetime of torture in the hells. Cheating on her with Mizora, the one who came specifcally to retrieve her for Zariel, is one of the worst things you could do to her; but, despite all of that, she still desperately holds onto you, because she knows if she lets go, there's no ground at the end of that fall.
I got 3 romance scenes back to back, SH telling me she wanted to spend the rest of her life with me, the Emporer trying to flirt with me and Mizora trying to get into my pants. It was an interesting evening for my Tav lol
Same thing happened - Mizora approached me and I agreed but then the Emperor scene triggered instead (so I did that), next long-rest was the Halsin-bear scene (so I did that), and then I finished Astarion's personal quest and *he* had a long-rest scene (so I did that), and THEN I took him and Halsin to the drow twins... and we did that... and finally, only after my guy had started seriously sleeping his way through Faerun, the Mizora scene triggered. After that he moved on to Haarlep lol. But you're saying you got them on separate long-rests or the same one? That would be hilarious if you could get it all in the "same" night lmao.
Karlach's is the most sad of the 3 options that I would pay any attention to. Shadowheart cvcked out. Lae'zel said "you hurt me, and we cant make it better" in the best way a Gith female can. I'm curious as to Minthara's response ?
Like, to me, even shadowheart seemed more upset then what was let on. She accepted it because that's what she was taught, but at the same time, she acted like she wanted it to be different or she wanted more from the mc. Or it's as simple as it was, she just wanted to know beforehand. I feel karlach just didn't want to lose what she has been wanting for so long. At least that's how I explain her not sending the MC to the streets if they did this. Same with laezel, she was blunt enough. Choice leaves me feeling bad for all but yeah it is royally f*cked up to do this to karlach
@@Dactess I was being a combination of facetious & provocative (y'know internet) as it relates to Shadowheart. In full earnestness, its clear that Shadowheart was bothered -- probably safe to just say "hurt". Most of us innately want to feel that we're special enough to lock down someone we like into a dedicated relationship. When we think that (committed relationship) may be the case, and the other person does something to show us we were wrong in that assumption, it stings. I think the full view in Shadowhearts case, is that she was hurt, but doesn't want to make the demand of commitment or walk off -- as Lae'zel did. Because she either more fears being without someone, or because her self worth tells her that she cant lock a somewhat decent person down. I draw these conclusions based on what we see of Shadowheart as a person from the entire game experience. Lae'zel has a high sense of self worth & self respect. So when you cheat on her, shes hurt but cant accept allowing herself to be treated that way -- so its over.
@@insertnamehere8121 I didn't take it as an insult or anything, just assumed you meant she was fine with it. But I agree with your take and you did a far better job wording it than I did. After seeing most of her story, this and the light hearted twin conversation just didn't sit right with me. Gave me the impression that she felt she had to accept certain things so she wouldn't lose the mc. Same with karlach. Maybe.
I will say that if you choose the one along the lines of “come on, don’t tell me you haven’t thought about her” with Gale, it leads to some fantastically heartbreaking dialogue AND a savage Gale burn
Just saying but I think the only person who is genuinely truly ok with this is Halsin. Shadowheart is extremely upset (not because you bed someone else but because you didn’t talk to her about it) and Astarion is putting up a front.
astarion's reaction is a bug, this dialogue is tagged as 'vampire lord' in the dev notes, if he's not ascended, the game often bugs out, because spawn astarion's reaction never made it into the game (hoping we'll get a definitive edition with all the cut content some day)
And of all of them, he's the only one that genuinely is just cool with it. Astarion is jealous, and he hides it behind acting like he wanted to participate, but I think underneath he's just jealous period. Shadowheart says it's okay, but I think she is still hurt. Halsin though, his only reservations with it are WHO it was, but he isn't upset just concerned a little. I love how not only is Halsin just absurdly forward, every other character makes comments about him. Dude is just a magnet.
@@Lord_zeel astarion's reaction is a bug, this dialogue is tagged as 'vampire lord' in the dev notes, if he's not ascended, the game often bugs out, because spawn astarion's reaction never made it into the game (hoping we'll get a definitive edition with all the cut content some day)
Oof, that Lae'zel scene breaks my heart. She's my romance, and the one I did NOT anticipate getting into. I'll make sure to tell Mizora to kick rocks if she pops up trying to hit on me lol. I just recently had the lovers duel scene, so that sad "Source of my bruises" line here just broke me.
I was with Wyll and wanted to see what would happen and I literally couldn’t get through the dialogue it made me feel so bad I reloaded a save mid-confrontation
I did not expect that from laezel. Feel so bad for her :/. Karlach broke my heart. I tried it with shadowheart just to see the reaction and she was kind of passive aggressive and felt bad. She's somewhat more understanding but you can tell she thinks you're a dirt dog now lol I reloaded. Mizora is just a sh** stirrer hahahah
I feel like they needed to give Mizz a better personality if they wanted her to be actually tempting. Like is she for the players that get off on the factual knowledge of imminent regret?
People say Shadowheart is cool with it but she’s really not. Just like with the Drow twins, she clearly doesn’t want to share you. She’s just used to relationships being open. If she wasn’t bothered she wouldn’t have said what she said.
The Lae'zel betrayal hurts the most. Seeing when she opens up to you then betraying her like that. Couldn't be me. Didn't care about the other companions though. No Minthara though :(
Lmao "you slept with someone else? Well im gonna sleep with you even harder because I'm not jealous" Shadowheart is not a character she's a "cool girl" fantasy
i have minthara and wyll in my party and just got to the mizora asking me to bed part, unfortunate that i cant find out what happens, probably gonna save and reload to see the outcome but not actually cheat on my minthara
Lot's of rly stuuupid ppl here think that cheating is okay, it is NEVER "okay". Even if your soulmate says that they dont mind cheats - they do mind, quite a bit. They are hurt, and probably have been hurt for a long time, they are broken from the trauma that they suffered long ago.
especially shadowheart, she still mentions the worst thing in her life as the reason for not caring about it, obviously she cares and is upset, she just alleviates it to stay with tav, if the protagonist never proposes polygamy or betrays her never do
@@anonimos5533 yep, but I was more talking about real life, in game tho I don't care, I try to tap every girl that moves;) In immortal words of commander Shepard: "Making Hard Decisions And Owning Females - That Is What Being Leader Is About. We land, get females, and leave before anyone changes their mind." Aka. "Well Bang, Okay?"
I like Shadowheart's response. She's only mad we didn't tell her. I mean she's fine with non-monogamy and open relationships, clearly. But she wants to KNOW about it when you sleep with someone and that's pretty reasonable, I think.
Shadowheart is not okay with this, first because it's a betrayal like Shar's and second because she doesn't like being a "second option" as she told Wyll. With the drow twins it feels contradictory too, Shadowheart doesn't seem like someone promiscuous, first because their romance is "slow" and she doesn't have sex with the protagonist until the end when she is sure of everything and second because her romantic ending is the typical ending of faithful love. I think Larian failed to make Shadowheart promiscuous or to be okay with betrayal of infidelity, because that doesn't fit with Shadowheart's personality and evolution. And even so Larian did this with Shadowheart I think because they like to put "extra" sex scenes to make certain players who like that more horny. Even so if your character remains faithful to her, Shadowheart is totally faithful and not at all promiscuous.
You make a good point, but I'm not sure I agree. SH takes it slow because she is secretive and overly cautious after everything she suffered throughout her life, not necessarily for being a conservative girl. There are also a lot of moments in the game where she appears to be quite kinky, actually, making double entendre comments and jokes even in completely innocent contexts. She seems to be the kind of person who'd take a lot to manage to get comfortable around someone and trust them, but after that would be quite open to some experimentation at least. She even is the only companion (other than Astarion, i think) to be willing to have a poly romance with Halsim
I think if you've got a 'Darkside' Shadowheart, then the above scene works fine for Shadowheart. But if you've gone down her light side route, basically turned her world upside down and then cheated on her. I can't see her being that ok with it, personally her totally breaking down and trying to merge your face with the Blood of Lathander would be a better outcome in that case. I honestly think that scene is for a Sharran Shadowheart and there wasn't a Selune Shadowheart scene as why go to all the trouble you have to go through to get her to that state only to cheat on her. I believe it's just there as it's the only scene to play in that instance.
@@rhuanrizzi Here there are still contradictions, because SH only does that with Halsin and not with other characters, therefore it can be seen that Larian only wanted to create a version of "promiscuous Shadowheart" when in most cases she shows a serious negative to that, as with Wyll. Now you have a point that SH doesn't trust anyone, but with much more reason she fits perfectly in a faithful relationship, because that's where trust thrives. And on the other hand, she doesn't trust either Mizora or the drow twins, or even much in Halsin, she only trusts the protagonist and I don't see that it makes sense that their relationship is based on being a "second option" and having "second options". Narratively SH fits with being a faithful girl and also wanting that kind of relationship, that includes that her ending has that kind of closure as well.
Pretty sure light and dark shadowheart puts her faith above her love for you. She's pretty much a religious zealot, so her love for you will never be the priority over her faith.
The ones who are monogamous and don't react agrily (Gale, Lae'zel, Karlach, Shadowheart, Astarion) are the most painful to me. Because the fact that they don't yell and just look dissappointed makes you feel like a lowlife
I wanted to see what happens if I cheat on wyll with her then I told him it’s because he’s not putting out. I never felt more awful. I reloaded the previous save and it never happened but I know. I’ll always know. Mizora was right, it’s for forever.
You do miss out on the nightmares then though....Although you could just watch the nightmares as videos and keep him as a companion for the goldmine of lines.
My Karlach didn't like it, but understood the idea. If it wasn't Mizora, she wouldn't had minded as much. She was more so upset it was Mizora than anything, cause personal history.
I want to clear this out but, Shadowheart and Astarion are NOT okay with this. Just because they say they are, they are not. They are as furious/upset as the others are, but due to their background they won't (arguably don't have it in them) leave you. If Shadowheart's first dialogue (the way she just says it should give you a hint that there's some boiling anger inside) after Mizora left, didn't give you the mention she's upset look at her facial expression and hear her voice. You just went with someone BEHIND her back without even talking to her about it. Yes, she's fine with poly but only when you both agree to it. She allows/joins with you to sleep with the Drow bc she was present throughout the entire thing and decided "what the hell". I highly doubt she'd be open to sleep with a demon who tried to fuck around their friends and is trying to actively hurt ya'll (that's the entire reason she proposed this in the first place) Astarion if you know his history, you know he often wears behind a mask and has difficulty saying 'no' or admitting that he's uncomfortable that you betrayed his trust. He's putting on a mask but deep down he's definitely hurt. Heck, it was pretty clear that he felt insecure and scared asf when you wanted to be poly w/ Halsin but he said yes because he doesn't want to lose you in a sense that he'll feel like he made a mistake.
2:20 This "Continue" bug again. Has anyone found a way to fix it? I know that saving and reloading multiple times could finally trigger the game to show dialogue options, but I don't want to do this every single time this bug shows up.
Never really liked Halsin because of how lawfully good he is and as humble as a saint, and I'm an arsehole for calling him bland. But my god his reaction to you cheating. We don't deserve this man, he's too pure for us.
Halsin is what Uncle Joey Diaz would call an old school gay, "no rules mothafucka just write your name on the stall and what time you'll be there" lol god bless that lifestyle its truly liberating, I'm jealous
No Minthara reaction? 😕 You can recruit her in act 2 if you skip act 1 main. Just pick up Wyll, Karlach, do their stuff and go pick up Minthara in Moon Towers
@@NaughtyGaming- well, I see. Act 3, approval 70+ and nothing major happens. Just sharing that you can have Minthara + Wyll and Karlach at the same time. Minthara actually have some lines about both of them
I'm not going to lie I actually love that this was an option. I'm also a little bit gutted that Mizora doesn't actually have anything to say after she asks you how it was, and all you can do is tell her to leave. I'm not saying I expected a full on romance with her but it would have been nice if there was more interactions after this had happened. I know you're really not meant to like her because she's horrible and an absolute bitch, but for some reason to me she is such an incredibly enjoyable character. Yes she's a bitch but she knows she's a bitch and it's incredibly entertaining it's like she's got 50 charisma points or something because no matter how awful she is I Can't Help But finding myself enjoying every time she's on screen. If I knew her in real life I would probably despise her, but seeing her in a video game or entertainment format is amazing
It's similar to the encounter you can have in the House of Hope; demons are NOT love interests. It would ruin them if they were, even though I fantasise about it. To them, you're just another mortal to have some fun with and take advantage of. They wouldn't love anyone more than they love themselves.
Cheating on Wyll with Mizora is so evil thing, especially with her. After everything she did to him, how she hurt him through the years, how she ruined his life, he still has to face the fact that the person he trusted so much and loved so much slept with her. It's really heavy and probably the most evil thing that could be done to him. Besides, I think that no matter who Tav cheated on with Mizora, the devil definitely made sure the entire camp knew about it, especially Tav's partner. She just wants to hurt them and cause trouble. And it's not surprising, considering how she treats Wyll and the fact that she is a devil. More, about Astarion I think his reaction comes from fear of losing Tav during his break from intimate things. He is very insecure and fragile about this sort of thing what make sense beacuse of his past, so he doesn't want to put Tav on a leash so that she/he stays with him. However, looking at his entire personality from the beginning of the game, I think he would prefer Tav to wait until he recovers from everything he has been through and returns to intimate things when he is really ready (in game, I think this happens after defeating Cazador, on the cementary). And Karlach... it's really heartbreaking that she forgive Tav after night with Mizora. She is so afraid of losing her life and her loved ones that she forgives someone who showed her such disrespect. But on the other hand, she showed a really great understanding for Tav. Karlach is amazing character. Last thing, I know in games player can romance with NPC, break up with NPC etc. but this game allows the player to be a manipulative asshole in romances storyline, especially in Astarion's romance story. New change, new choices, I kind of respect that in this game 😅
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Seeing the save dropped before choosing the first Shadowheart dialogue option killed me 😂
i think we all did the same 🤣😂
laughed like an idiot for a few seconds
Sooooo true!!! 🤣
Seeing that quick save also made me crack up laughing too! Totally felt!🥴😂
Lmao yeaaaaa
Honestly Karlach staying with you is the most heartbreaking thing to me, she's so desperate to be loved that she can't leave someone who doesn't respect her.
Seriously. As far as I know there is no dialogue option where she breaks up with you, no matter how mean you are in this encounter. You can break up with her, but she won’t end it.
I think its bc early in your relationship she gives you an option for it to be an open relationship and so considering its possible for the two of you to never confirm its exclusive she may realize that being open may have been permission to do it even though it was the 1 person shed rather you didnt with
@@lokiserpentem8534I don’t think it was an open relationship as such though was it? More an opportunity to bang someone else before you got serious with her to put it bluntly
@@violetsturgill,
Cheating on Karlach with Mizora is such a evil thing to do that not even the Dark Urge would do it on purpose.
Well, I did worse as a dark urge.
Well good thing I killed her then (as Durge)
I did it. Some yelling from her, but i just give her a kiss and it’s over. Only a win to you to get that sweet demonussy
I did it. I cheated on her with every single character I could, lmao.
I couldn't bear to watch it. I had to skip, I couldn't listen to the pain in her voice any more lol
Wyll, Gale, Lae'zel & Karlach: "HOW COULD YOU BETRAY ME?!"
Halsin & Shadowheart: "All g, we ain't exclusive"
Astarion: "Bro invite me next time"
Sad thing about Astarion is that he's lying. He basically tells you verbatim that he's not sure if he'll be able to be intimate for a long time. If you do end up being intimate with others (like w/ him in the brothel) he dissociates and doesn't have a good time. He's also pretty insecure about you sleeping with Halsin
@@katie5998 Is there a version in the brothel group scene where Astarion doesn't dissociate? Thought that always happens. Astarion is physically there for it but not mentally while Gale is not physically there but is mentally there.
@@sirus804 No, you're correct it always happens regardless of how his personal quest ends, the only difference is the variation, sorry if I was unclear on that. Acended he's a bit colder, as a vampire-spawn it's more obvious he's not happy. There a difference if you go to the brothel before his personal quest. If you do this, he tells you that he's uncomfortable and doesn't want to and the scene doesn't happen. I think he only agrees after his personal quest because he wants to believe that Cazador--the center-piece of his sexual trauma--being gone will have changed how he feels about it. It doesn't.
With shadowheart u are exclusive but with a devil you only need to ask next time
Baldurs Gate 3: the good, the bad, and the Astarian. 😂
Karlachs VA really did a great job watching this and hearing her trembling voice hits different holy shit
Agreed, and I think there's something that a lot of people are missing when they're wondering why Larian made Karlach 'forgive' the player: she's utterly desperate to hold onto the connection she has. she knows her days are numbered and that number is coming up quickly; she's hurt and aching and betrayed all at once, but you, the player, are the one shining beacon of what her hopes and positivity were funnelled into. Karlach isn't forgiving the player because it's what she wants to do, but rather because she has no choice if she wants to see any more good in the world for the few days she has left to walk it. I find her forgiveness of these characters to be equally - or even more - heartbreaking than the ones that ended the relationship.
@@Spectreofwar Thanks, you just made it even worse
@@Spectreofwar Theres a special place in Avernus for people who intentionally hurt Karlach tbh
man, poor Wyll, he genuinely sounds devastated. That's probably the most evil thing you could do to him.
Karlach too... and Lae'zel is devastated too. And even Shadowheart is not hiding her distaste for your choice that well.
besides killing him in the grove for siding with the Drow haters?
@@neongloom4570drow haters??? The refugees lol?
HAHAHAHA
the second worst thing, play wyll origin and romance Mizora :)
Cheating on Wyll is just particularly savage. That is Mizora's single last most brilliant, literal touch of fucking his life over
Dude. I'm going to do it with my Destroyer run through. Just some girl whose sole purpose is to kill and destroy everything she comes across in every crappy worst decision ever way. Why? She was scorned and now hates the world and everything in it.
@@KitzishotThe edge lord run
That makes things even better 😅
@@The.Usurpersounds like avg straight Durge run.
@@alvarodiazrodriguez2603 nah the trick to playing an edge lord run is not to play as Durge but as Tav. It’s more fun that way, sure you don’t get the option to eat Gales arm or kill everyone, but you can still be an asshole 🤷♀️
Love how all options are typical cheater responses.
LMFAOOO the writers know whats up
To be fair, if you chose Halsin, it isn't cheating, he made it clear you were poly from the start. But the options are still cheater replies.
@@kiterafrey yeah I think Halsin is the only one who would be like “why didn’t you invite me to join”, the rest of them are hurt by this, even if they don’t outright say it
@@elenalizabeth Halsin actually told me no when I said he should've been there on my 1 non-Astarion run. He said, "Some experiences are meant just for you to enjoy." And then said something like "You deserve discoveries anew" only the first part of his statement stuck. I thought it was sweet.
@@elenalizabethBut it seems strange that Halsin would be ok with this, with Mizora I mean.
Imagine dating Karlach or Wyll in-game just to cheat on them with their number one enemy. Should change your title from True Soul to No Soul.
The Darker Urge
@@advantius"Killing and eating babies? Yeah, I do that on a day that ends in y, but cheating on Wyll with the one who has his soul in a vice grip? By Bhaal, now that's going too far even for me!
I feel like you sleeping with Mizora should cause Karlach to break up with you too. there is too much personal issues between them
She also knows just how sick and twisted the devils are at lies and manipulation. Both Karlach and Wyll should be fully aware of this and to me it makes sense why they should actually be more forgiving/understanding of it. At the very least if you pick the right dialogue options. At the end of the day it's a role playing game, the point is not the best or most effective outcome but the way you explain your own character's actions through those dialogue options.
I didn't really like her logic of, "She works for Zariel so she's pure evil." So did you, Karlach, so did you and you did horrible things following orders too. Yes, Karlach had it much worse than Mizora but it's not like Mizora is free from Zariel either. What would happen to Mizora if she defies Zariel? It's not that simple.
@@sirus804it actually is pretty simple because mizora straight up tells you how much she loves avernus while karlach constantly tells you how she'd rather die than go back. Mizora may not be serving zariel completely of her own will but she likes what she does and is undeniably evil
I cant 😓 with everyone else Im fine but not with baby Karlach 👺👺👺
@@sirus804, Karlach literally told you that Mizora is part of Zariel's inner circle BY CHOICE. That's very different from being taken as a child, having your heart replaced, and being thrown in the Blood Wars where hesitation will get you killed.
Something about Wyll's very soft "Shit. Why?" just hits me the hardest. Damn dude :/
yeah it's the most heartbreaking reaction, and I don't even like wyll that much
Same. That destroyed me even more than Karlach's reaction. 😭
@@gammavector79 "Dark Urge, bro. I bang and kill who I please as long as I keep this train on the tracks."
Cheating on Wyll with Mizora is probably one of the most evil things you can do in this game.
what about sleeping with Mizora as Wyll origin
@@coops1992 That's not evil, it's just taking advantage of a bad situation, and getting something mildly worthwhile out of being pacted to a half-devil babe.
Respect to Wyll, Gale and Lae'zel for having their healthy boundaries
Indeed, Im actually upset that they would make Karlach forgive that tbh...
shadowheart has boundaries too....they are just a bit wider then most
I prefer Halsin. He's cool with whatever.
@@mustsnip537 She got mad about this sort of stuff in my last playthrough, I'm not exactly sure what triggers it but there is something that will cause her to not be cool with sharing.
@@ColonelBragg follower of shar?
I'm guessing Wyll was hiding in the hay behind them the whole time JUST so he could disapprove.
We seriously need a ton of Wyll disapproved meme complications
He disapproved of me not helping Wulbren and siding with Barcus which I thought was weird and had to of been a bug, It just seems really out of character for him to support siding with what is essentially a terrorist.
@@ColonelBragg apparently making a certain choice to finish his primary mission in act 1 can cause him to harden and become more ends-justifies-the-means (aka less heroically good) which would make sense as both a consequence of that major decision and him supporting wulbren instead of barcus. if he didn't do the thing in your run then i imagine it's just an oversight
@@spencerlively3049what choice are you referring to?
@@pearsemolloy9656I suppose it's about killing Karlach
Btw if you ever see a "Continue" option, it means you're not seeing the conversation choices you're supposed to. You gotta save/reload for them to load properly.
that makes a lot of sense now
Will this ever be patched or should I just reload every single time I see a "continue" ?
Whaaaat? I just assumed it was a break in long dialog. I did a few times feel like the conversation took a turn after clicking that! They're replying to something I didn't know I said? That sucks.
Tried to save/reload for one, still had "continue"
I hate that glitch
Damn, when you know the other way it plays out in Lae'Zel's relationship, "Source of my bruises" cuts fucking DEEP as a contrast.
The cut scene I had with her after turning down Mizora was so wholesome.
No effin regrets here :D
For the guys who can't read between the lines, Shadowheart was freaking furious. Get her some flowers before the next long rest, or kiss your lil old buddy goodbye.
finally someone gets it
Maybe with the first thing she said, but the second statement she made had it seem like she wanted attention too, not like she was mad that Tav did it with someone else. Also, she was cool with the drow twins as well, it all points to her not necessarily being super exclusive or jealous.
At first, she was annoyed that Tav would do it behind her back without even checking on how she'd feel about it, but I didn't really do much else to keep her liking me after that and she was totally cool. I think you're reading it wrong
@@gabrielov8027 When Shadowheart gets defensive, she says what she doesn't mean. At first she tries to manipulate MC into feeling guilty. She does value loyalty, and pointing out a swan is better at it is a clear jab into you conscience.
She brings up the way she was raised as a reason why she shouldn't be jealous. It's like saying "my manners don't allow me to tell you go fck yourself".
@@ЯБезымянный-о5ф she fell back on shar so often through out the game. I mean as a way to dismiss the idea that she deserves happiness.
Or just gave the party line, despite feeling differently about something that was said or an action.
For her to then bring up that she expects it cause that's how she was raised as a sharaan, that stung for me. And I've only seen the video, Ive turned mizora down in my playthroughs.
Yeah she will get with the drow twins, but she is also asked. Same with halsin. The way she responded to mizora, it was like she was hurt but she came to expect that behavior so she accepted it. Which would make me feel like an even bigger pos
I'm not gay, but Gale is my boy, hurting him like this hits deep. I could never bring myself to do such a thing. Even the Drow threesome, where he just dips out, hurts to watch.
Out of all the females, Laezel really seems the most hurt by it.
Which is surprising for someone who claims not to believe in love.
She clearly does, but doesnt want to adopt the concept in name.
By that point, you have completely turned her entire world on itself. You've shattered everything she's ever believed in and completely changed her outlook on life.
During all this, you were her anchor. You were next to her when she began suffering the worst fate imaginable to her people: being infected by a mindflayer. You were there when her own people turned on her. You were there, standing next to her, as she spat in the face of the being she used to consider an actual god.
Now, by doing this, you've destroyed the only true connection she has left. She finally learned what it was like to feel and to love, and you ripped away the one person she felt comfortable expressing this to.
@@LordDaedhelorFuck, Lae'zel really is the most underrated companion in game... so many people thought her a weird alien bean in Act 1...
@@the_tactician9858I hate when people mock her or call her mean and annoying. She’s actually the most romantic companion
I'm in a deep romance stage with her rn and she's a softy the closer you get to her. I will not cheat on her with Mizora
@@LordDaedhelor *Spoilers*
If she won't have me as a Mind Flayer, she can't have me to watch the sunrise.
Being dumped by her was brutal.
Wyll disapproves makes me laugh every time😂
did anyone else notice how sad Astarion looked at the end, like his facade dropped for a moment
Yeah. Also very odd for Astarion to be the one to cut the conversation short. He's really not one to not immediately snoop
8:46 Halsin wild shaped into ant
I really, REALLY love not only the fantastic voiced dialogue but the way that casual betrayal locks you out of certain relationships. Noone does "Your choices have consequences" like Larian. Which reminds me: thank you SO MUCH to Naughty Gaming for posting for us scenes that I could never bring myself to do. ^_^
Karlach: I’m not angry that you had sex with someone else. I’m angry that it specifically was her.
She is in general, she just doesn't want to lose her bond with you since she knows she doesn't have much time left
Laezel has the best reaction, though she could use a bit more stabbing to get her point across
Here u see how Astarion perfectly has his PTSD under control 😢
i romanced him and he had no problem, also told me to invite him if this happens again, lol
@@AsterionfuI think he’s putting on a front.
@@ChromaticEagle everyone who says this has no idea who his character is. He himself hints at and even says that sex means nothing to him because he's had to use it as a means to an end; it's even implied in the first scene where your character can make a remark about "It seems like you weren't all there."
It's because sex for him is a form of manipulating people into liking him to lure them back to Cazadore; and now that he doesn't have to do that, it's just simple fun and nothing more. He's not putting on a front because of PTSD, he just genuinely doesn't care because he doesn't think it's important.
@@shivv3rzHis PTSD does seep in sometimes though. Like if you take him to the drows.
@@MCSPARTAN501 Of course it does. He was tortured and violently abused for 200. FUCKING. YEARS. His PTSD is going to seep into EVERYTHING he does. Which it does. That doesn't mean it's the sole reason he's comfortable with an open/poly relationship. Open and Poly relationships are real and normal and don't only exist as a result of trauma, i don't understand why people see the two sources of poly representation and immediately start blaming it on their trauma.
They're traumatized because it makes for a good story, and being Poly expands on that story and who they are as an individual because it's interesting, not because it's a result of the trauma
Maybe, it’s because I chose to romance her in my solo playthrough, but the Lae’zel one hurt a lot. She’s gone her whole life without knowing love or tenderness, and when she finally opens herself up you just spit it in her face.
Love the Wyll disapproves in every single one. You'd think they'd have made it so those show up before or after cutscenes, but of course BG3 is a flawless masterpiece.
Wyll disapproves.
My heart breaks for Lae'zel. Zhav vo'nash du. 😭😭
I will never betray bae’zel, source of my joy
Minthara Reaction: ruclips.net/video/vyNLQZNRd7Q/видео.html She is currently still broken without the "debug book" mod
00:00:00 - Shadowheart
00:02:36 - Karlach
00:05:00 - Lae'zel
00:06:28 - Gale
00:08:06 - Halsin
00:09:30 - Wyll
00:11:33 - Astarion
00:12:50 - Default Wyll Non Romantic
Poor Gale, knowing how insecure he is and how little he thinks of himself makes cheating on him so sad
To be honest, i don't think Shadowheart just ok this that, she seems upset to me about what happened, she just pretends that everything is fine. Really ok with this it's Halsin and Astarion
Agreed, it felt like she accepted it because that's what she was taught. (And we all know how well the sharrans taught)
But she was also hoping for something different from the MC. Something better or more. Like she thought more of the MC and was disappointed.
But be them twin drow or devils, I could never make these choices lol
@@Dactess The twin drows are actually pretty ok if you've done her final Romance act beforehand. She's chill with it.
@@trh3xa174 I know but I'm not too keen on sharing my fictional love interest with some npc... so yeah.
The twins weren't bad, I just prefer her lighter route, and for me it didn't really fit. I am a romantic and I like the idea of shadow finding the type of love she never got while with shar. Which means no cheating for my character lol
I think if I put this much thought into my last real relationship, it wouldn't have ended poorly 🤔
@@Dactess Well it's not really "cheating" since she's there for the 4-some though. When I did the twins in one playthrough they asked her to be in it and she wanted to be in it as well.
@@trh3xa174 pretty sure if she is with you, you can only do the foursome. I mean the MC isn't allowed to just go off with one of them. You can only partake with her involved. I believe. I didn't really focus too much on it in the game.
So I guess her response of "if you're fine with sharing, I am." Fits her attitude. With mizora, you go behind her back. So I felt she was hurt by that.
Still, after all the bs her character goes through, I feel she deserves the fairytale ending with a loyal partner that shows her real love and not that sharran bs. So as I said, no drow or devils for my character. As for naoise, I don't know how to classify that encounter.
But that is just how I played.
1:50 the classic save before picking the absolute worst option.
I think Shadow Heart is BSing there to hide the hurt. In her Shar path, she talks about how they were forbidden from having relationships or even flings with each other because Shar demands your whole heart. She basically frames having relationships/ courting as something you have to trick and twist Shar's words and your own perspective on the action to excuse. So one of her stories aint right, and I'm guessing it's this one and not the path where she tells Tav that what they have can never be called love and resorted to using desecrating a Selune statue with the blood of the Night Song as an excuse to fuck Tav without Shar getting pissed.
Because game doesnt have different path answers for Selune and Shar Shadowhearts. Sharran will refuse you but you can still keep kissing her like Selune path. They didnt worked on that.
Astarion can pretend to take it in stride all he wants, but we all know that that tourtured, tramatized boi was actually gutted and probably didn't want to say anything in fear you'd leave him bevause he didn't know how to say "no" 😆😭
Shadowheart: Im okay with this
Narrator: She wasnt okay with this
I was surprised Gale dumped you but Karlach didn't. I'll keep that in mind just in case somehow she appears in my evil playthrough
Gale dumped me for being with karlach before I realized gale liked me, he's possessive lol
@@N0sdrinker He's not actually like that, it's bc his approval system has been bugged since release and Larian's still trying to fix it
Really need someone do actually do this romance as the Wyll origin character, would be curious how it changes and the unique dialogue leading up to it.
I plan on working my way through all the origin characters. Will probably take me some time though. It took me 6 months to do all my Mass Effect Legendary Edition videos
Nearly there as wyll romancing shadowheart rn 💪
Karlach's reaction is heartbreaking for me. If you romance Karlach, she's holding onto you for dear life, her heart and trust already torn to pieces by Gortash's betrayal and what felt life a lifetime of torture in the hells. Cheating on her with Mizora, the one who came specifcally to retrieve her for Zariel, is one of the worst things you could do to her; but, despite all of that, she still desperately holds onto you, because she knows if she lets go, there's no ground at the end of that fall.
I got 3 romance scenes back to back, SH telling me she wanted to spend the rest of her life with me, the Emporer trying to flirt with me and Mizora trying to get into my pants. It was an interesting evening for my Tav lol
Same thing happened - Mizora approached me and I agreed but then the Emperor scene triggered instead (so I did that), next long-rest was the Halsin-bear scene (so I did that), and then I finished Astarion's personal quest and *he* had a long-rest scene (so I did that), and THEN I took him and Halsin to the drow twins... and we did that... and finally, only after my guy had started seriously sleeping his way through Faerun, the Mizora scene triggered. After that he moved on to Haarlep lol.
But you're saying you got them on separate long-rests or the same one? That would be hilarious if you could get it all in the "same" night lmao.
Karlach still will be with you, she is too pure and full of love 😢
Karlach's is the most sad of the 3 options that I would pay any attention to.
Shadowheart cvcked out.
Lae'zel said "you hurt me, and we cant make it better" in the best way a Gith female can.
I'm curious as to Minthara's response ?
She probably would kill you
Like, to me, even shadowheart seemed more upset then what was let on.
She accepted it because that's what she was taught, but at the same time, she acted like she wanted it to be different or she wanted more from the mc.
Or it's as simple as it was, she just wanted to know beforehand.
I feel karlach just didn't want to lose what she has been wanting for so long. At least that's how I explain her not sending the MC to the streets if they did this.
Same with laezel, she was blunt enough.
Choice leaves me feeling bad for all but yeah it is royally f*cked up to do this to karlach
@@Dactess
I was being a combination of facetious & provocative (y'know internet) as it relates to Shadowheart.
In full earnestness, its clear that Shadowheart was bothered -- probably safe to just say "hurt".
Most of us innately want to feel that we're special enough to lock down someone we like into a dedicated relationship.
When we think that (committed relationship) may be the case, and the other person does something to show us we were wrong in that assumption, it stings.
I think the full view in Shadowhearts case, is that she was hurt, but doesn't want to make the demand of commitment or walk off -- as Lae'zel did. Because she either more fears being without someone, or because her self worth tells her that she cant lock a somewhat decent person down.
I draw these conclusions based on what we see of Shadowheart as a person from the entire game experience.
Lae'zel has a high sense of self worth & self respect. So when you cheat on her, shes hurt but cant accept allowing herself to be treated that way -- so its over.
@@atresaoxxx3573
" *She probably would kill you* "
I can see that
@@insertnamehere8121 I didn't take it as an insult or anything, just assumed you meant she was fine with it.
But I agree with your take and you did a far better job wording it than I did.
After seeing most of her story, this and the light hearted twin conversation just didn't sit right with me. Gave me the impression that she felt she had to accept certain things so she wouldn't lose the mc. Same with karlach.
Maybe.
Halsin and Astarion are hilarious LMAO they actually cheer you on 💀
Astarion is just pretending he doesn't care because he's afraid you'll abandon him, the only one who's actually cool with it is Halsin
@@thearcanamodernau8130 I am going to cry
@@BRAIIIIIINS yeah, bbg has a lot of self esteem issues
I will say that if you choose the one along the lines of “come on, don’t tell me you haven’t thought about her” with Gale, it leads to some fantastically heartbreaking dialogue AND a savage Gale burn
Gales reaction kills me, he hits the hardest for me, because of his backstory, jesus
He has another line if you ask him if he wanted to be with her, and he says “why would I want to be with anyone but you??” And I CREID
This choice is pure evil towards Wyll and Karlach. 💀
Just saying but I think the only person who is genuinely truly ok with this is Halsin. Shadowheart is extremely upset (not because you bed someone else but because you didn’t talk to her about it) and Astarion is putting up a front.
astarion's reaction is a bug, this dialogue is tagged as 'vampire lord' in the dev notes, if he's not ascended, the game often bugs out, because spawn astarion's reaction never made it into the game (hoping we'll get a definitive edition with all the cut content some day)
The dialog options for Wyll are CRAZY
*Halsin Approves*
And of all of them, he's the only one that genuinely is just cool with it. Astarion is jealous, and he hides it behind acting like he wanted to participate, but I think underneath he's just jealous period. Shadowheart says it's okay, but I think she is still hurt. Halsin though, his only reservations with it are WHO it was, but he isn't upset just concerned a little. I love how not only is Halsin just absurdly forward, every other character makes comments about him. Dude is just a magnet.
@@Lord_zeel astarion's reaction is a bug, this dialogue is tagged as 'vampire lord' in the dev notes, if he's not ascended, the game often bugs out, because spawn astarion's reaction never made it into the game (hoping we'll get a definitive edition with all the cut content some day)
Aw Astarion’s dialogue never triggered for me after she disappears. 😢
that's because it bugs out if he doesn't ascend, everything you see here is meant to be said by ascended astarion only
Oof, that Lae'zel scene breaks my heart. She's my romance, and the one I did NOT anticipate getting into. I'll make sure to tell Mizora to kick rocks if she pops up trying to hit on me lol. I just recently had the lovers duel scene, so that sad "Source of my bruises" line here just broke me.
Same here bro
Was wondering what happened with Minthara but forgot that Wyll is exclusively not compatible with her.
I was with Wyll and wanted to see what would happen and I literally couldn’t get through the dialogue it made me feel so bad I reloaded a save mid-confrontation
I did not expect that from laezel. Feel so bad for her :/. Karlach broke my heart. I tried it with shadowheart just to see the reaction and she was kind of passive aggressive and felt bad. She's somewhat more understanding but you can tell she thinks you're a dirt dog now lol I reloaded. Mizora is just a sh** stirrer hahahah
I feel like they needed to give Mizz a better personality if they wanted her to be actually tempting. Like is she for the players that get off on the factual knowledge of imminent regret?
Lae’zel is best girl so I could never betray her
People say Shadowheart is cool with it but she’s really not. Just like with the Drow twins, she clearly doesn’t want to share you. She’s just used to relationships being open. If she wasn’t bothered she wouldn’t have said what she said.
Really? Cause when you do the drow things she actually seems really enthusiastic and even explores all of her fantasies there.
the quick save before responding to Shadowheart, lmao
The Lae'zel betrayal hurts the most. Seeing when she opens up to you then betraying her like that. Couldn't be me. Didn't care about the other companions though. No Minthara though :(
You cant get Wyll and Minthara and no Wyll means no Snu Snu w the patron
Karlach is precious and needs to be protected at all cost.
Lmao "you slept with someone else? Well im gonna sleep with you even harder because I'm not jealous" Shadowheart is not a character she's a "cool girl" fantasy
is no one going to mention the "Wyll Disapproves." after each companion.
I'm assuming Minthara isn't here because Wyll wouldn't stay/survive long enough for Mizora to get to this point.
i have minthara and wyll in my party and just got to the mizora asking me to bed part, unfortunate that i cant find out what happens, probably gonna save and reload to see the outcome but not actually cheat on my minthara
I like how Karlach mentions what Mizora did to Wyll too. Shows how selfless she is
Wyll disapproves makes me cry laughing every time even though I know it’s coming lmaooo
Lot's of rly stuuupid ppl here think that cheating is okay, it is NEVER "okay".
Even if your soulmate says that they dont mind cheats - they do mind, quite a bit.
They are hurt, and probably have been hurt for a long time, they are broken from the trauma that they suffered long ago.
especially shadowheart, she still mentions the worst thing in her life as the reason for not caring about it, obviously she cares and is upset, she just alleviates it to stay with tav, if the protagonist never proposes polygamy or betrays her never do
@@anonimos5533 yep, but I was more talking about real life, in game tho I don't care, I try to tap every girl that moves;)
In immortal words of commander Shepard: "Making Hard Decisions And Owning Females - That Is What Being Leader Is About. We land, get females, and leave before anyone changes their mind."
Aka. "Well Bang, Okay?"
What happens to this whole interaction if you're playing as Wyll?
I, too, am curious how this works for non-custom characters. But then, does Mizora offer if you are one?
I played as Wyll and she offered. But I was with Karlach, so I politely told my Patron she could go f--k herself.
Wyll romance Mizora plays out pretty much the same. There's some extra dialogue but it's mostly the same.
Safe to say Wyll disapproved of all of this
I like Shadowheart's response. She's only mad we didn't tell her. I mean she's fine with non-monogamy and open relationships, clearly. But she wants to KNOW about it when you sleep with someone and that's pretty reasonable, I think.
Shadowheart is not okay with this, first because it's a betrayal like Shar's and second because she doesn't like being a "second option" as she told Wyll.
With the drow twins it feels contradictory too, Shadowheart doesn't seem like someone promiscuous, first because their romance is "slow" and she doesn't have sex with the protagonist until the end when she is sure of everything and second because her romantic ending is the typical ending of faithful love.
I think Larian failed to make Shadowheart promiscuous or to be okay with betrayal of infidelity, because that doesn't fit with Shadowheart's personality and evolution.
And even so Larian did this with Shadowheart I think because they like to put "extra" sex scenes to make certain players who like that more horny. Even so if your character remains faithful to her, Shadowheart is totally faithful and not at all promiscuous.
You make a good point, but I'm not sure I agree. SH takes it slow because she is secretive and overly cautious after everything she suffered throughout her life, not necessarily for being a conservative girl. There are also a lot of moments in the game where she appears to be quite kinky, actually, making double entendre comments and jokes even in completely innocent contexts. She seems to be the kind of person who'd take a lot to manage to get comfortable around someone and trust them, but after that would be quite open to some experimentation at least. She even is the only companion (other than Astarion, i think) to be willing to have a poly romance with Halsim
I think if you've got a 'Darkside' Shadowheart, then the above scene works fine for Shadowheart. But if you've gone down her light side route, basically turned her world upside down and then cheated on her. I can't see her being that ok with it, personally her totally breaking down and trying to merge your face with the Blood of Lathander would be a better outcome in that case.
I honestly think that scene is for a Sharran Shadowheart and there wasn't a Selune Shadowheart scene as why go to all the trouble you have to go through to get her to that state only to cheat on her. I believe it's just there as it's the only scene to play in that instance.
@@rhuanrizzi Here there are still contradictions, because SH only does that with Halsin and not with other characters, therefore it can be seen that Larian only wanted to create a version of "promiscuous Shadowheart" when in most cases she shows a serious negative to that, as with Wyll.
Now you have a point that SH doesn't trust anyone, but with much more reason she fits perfectly in a faithful relationship, because that's where trust thrives.
And on the other hand, she doesn't trust either Mizora or the drow twins, or even much in Halsin, she only trusts the protagonist and I don't see that it makes sense that their relationship is based on being a "second option" and having "second options".
Narratively SH fits with being a faithful girl and also wanting that kind of relationship, that includes that her ending has that kind of closure as well.
@@christophertranter3475 Good point.
Pretty sure light and dark shadowheart puts her faith above her love for you. She's pretty much a religious zealot, so her love for you will never be the priority over her faith.
They should’ve added more dialogue to her and Laezel fighting hahaha I feel like it was an accurate clash 😂
The ones who are monogamous and don't react agrily (Gale, Lae'zel, Karlach, Shadowheart, Astarion) are the most painful to me. Because the fact that they don't yell and just look dissappointed makes you feel like a lowlife
I wanted to see what happens if I cheat on wyll with her then I told him it’s because he’s not putting out. I never felt more awful. I reloaded the previous save and it never happened but I know. I’ll always know. Mizora was right, it’s for forever.
The fact she talks about pleasure and debauchery and doesn't include her tribunal sisters into the equation upsets me a little.
Shadow heart really sounds like " I'm not mad but i am "
Might be reading to much into it but, Shadowheart sounded slightly jealous
Damn Karlach and Wyll’s reactions hit different
Never betray shadowheart, never
Really, it is a waste of dialogue to play as Astarion. Dude just deliver gold lines over gold lines hahahhababahahaha
You do miss out on the nightmares then though....Although you could just watch the nightmares as videos and keep him as a companion for the goldmine of lines.
My Karlach didn't like it, but understood the idea. If it wasn't Mizora, she wouldn't had minded as much. She was more so upset it was Mizora than anything, cause personal history.
Karlach sounds so damn wounded. Who would do this to her?!
The quick save b4 picking a choice LMAO XD
I want to clear this out but, Shadowheart and Astarion are NOT okay with this. Just because they say they are, they are not. They are as furious/upset as the others are, but due to their background they won't (arguably don't have it in them) leave you.
If Shadowheart's first dialogue (the way she just says it should give you a hint that there's some boiling anger inside) after Mizora left, didn't give you the mention she's upset look at her facial expression and hear her voice. You just went with someone BEHIND her back without even talking to her about it. Yes, she's fine with poly but only when you both agree to it. She allows/joins with you to sleep with the Drow bc she was present throughout the entire thing and decided "what the hell". I highly doubt she'd be open to sleep with a demon who tried to fuck around their friends and is trying to actively hurt ya'll (that's the entire reason she proposed this in the first place)
Astarion if you know his history, you know he often wears behind a mask and has difficulty saying 'no' or admitting that he's uncomfortable that you betrayed his trust. He's putting on a mask but deep down he's definitely hurt. Heck, it was pretty clear that he felt insecure and scared asf when you wanted to be poly w/ Halsin but he said yes because he doesn't want to lose you in a sense that he'll feel like he made a mistake.
Halsin is the only one that truly doesn't care
@@jackstone9569Halsin was a freak in his youth. he's still one rn it seems.
I was expecting Mizora to have teleported to that pillar just behind your companion and poke her head out so she could see everything
Kind of annoys me that shadowheart isn't upset over it.
2:20 This "Continue" bug again. Has anyone found a way to fix it? I know that saving and reloading multiple times could finally trigger the game to show dialogue options, but I don't want to do this every single time this bug shows up.
If you are romancing minthara and cheat on her with mizora, she freaks out, and breaks up with you. The dialogue seems to be bugged though
I have never gotten the scene with Mizora and i have finished the game 7 times.
Seeing the "wyll disapproves" every time is hysterical omg sorry my dear wyll bb
Never really liked Halsin because of how lawfully good he is and as humble as a saint, and I'm an arsehole for calling him bland. But my god his reaction to you cheating. We don't deserve this man, he's too pure for us.
Halsin is what Uncle Joey Diaz would call an old school gay, "no rules mothafucka just write your name on the stall and what time you'll be there" lol god bless that lifestyle its truly liberating, I'm jealous
Anyone ever do a write-up on the bathhouse culture of Faerun? I feel like it'd be wild.
No Minthara reaction? 😕 You can recruit her in act 2 if you skip act 1 main. Just pick up Wyll, Karlach, do their stuff and go pick up Minthara in Moon Towers
Minthara is still a broken romance option. Her Act 3 stuff got cut from the game
@@NaughtyGaming- well, I see. Act 3, approval 70+ and nothing major happens.
Just sharing that you can have Minthara + Wyll and Karlach at the same time. Minthara actually have some lines about both of them
@@NaughtyGaming- It didn't get cut, there was a bug that prevented like 1500 lines of her dialogue from proccing
@@frankfrankfrankfrankfrankdid they remove this bug or planing to do so?
@@NewLifenpc It was fixed in patch 2
I'm not going to lie I actually love that this was an option. I'm also a little bit gutted that Mizora doesn't actually have anything to say after she asks you how it was, and all you can do is tell her to leave. I'm not saying I expected a full on romance with her but it would have been nice if there was more interactions after this had happened. I know you're really not meant to like her because she's horrible and an absolute bitch, but for some reason to me she is such an incredibly enjoyable character. Yes she's a bitch but she knows she's a bitch and it's incredibly entertaining it's like she's got 50 charisma points or something because no matter how awful she is I Can't Help But finding myself enjoying every time she's on screen. If I knew her in real life I would probably despise her, but seeing her in a video game or entertainment format is amazing
It's similar to the encounter you can have in the House of Hope; demons are NOT love interests. It would ruin them if they were, even though I fantasise about it. To them, you're just another mortal to have some fun with and take advantage of. They wouldn't love anyone more than they love themselves.
Cheating on Wyll with Mizora is so evil thing, especially with her. After everything she did to him, how she hurt him through the years, how she ruined his life, he still has to face the fact that the person he trusted so much and loved so much slept with her. It's really heavy and probably the most evil thing that could be done to him.
Besides, I think that no matter who Tav cheated on with Mizora, the devil definitely made sure the entire camp knew about it, especially Tav's partner. She just wants to hurt them and cause trouble. And it's not surprising, considering how she treats Wyll and the fact that she is a devil.
More, about Astarion I think his reaction comes from fear of losing Tav during his break from intimate things. He is very insecure and fragile about this sort of thing what make sense beacuse of his past, so he doesn't want to put Tav on a leash so that she/he stays with him. However, looking at his entire personality from the beginning of the game, I think he would prefer Tav to wait until he recovers from everything he has been through and returns to intimate things when he is really ready (in game, I think this happens after defeating Cazador, on the cementary).
And Karlach... it's really heartbreaking that she forgive Tav after night with Mizora. She is so afraid of losing her life and her loved ones that she forgives someone who showed her such disrespect. But on the other hand, she showed a really great understanding for Tav. Karlach is amazing character.
Last thing, I know in games player can romance with NPC, break up with NPC etc. but this game allows the player to be a manipulative asshole in romances storyline, especially in Astarion's romance story. New change, new choices, I kind of respect that in this game 😅
Sorry but how could you not sleep with Mizora I mean she’s hot as hell 😵
Tbh I think shadowheart’s not really down with it. Just too much pride to admit she’s hurt.
Funny enough, Gale is pretty cool about including him in on the Drow sex. But, you can actually ask his consent before that.
Wyll disapprovesa lot in this video😂