THE BOX METHOD | CONSTRUCTION FOR ARTISTS PT.2

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  • Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
  • So I wanted to talk a bit deeper on the box method I mentioned in the last video. I wanted to show how useful it can be to apply and also show you how to make a physical model to better apply the method. I did ramble a bit more this video so please excuse that haha, but I do sincerely hope yall learned something and even try making a model of your own!
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    0:00 Intro
    1:15 Review/ Overview
    6:48 Model making
    14:11 Examples
    30:31 Outro, THAAANKS!

Комментарии • 390

  • @pitrek121g
    @pitrek121g 10 месяцев назад +744

    This is a good tutorial but you shouldn't really use a trapezoid for the pelvis even for heavy bottom characters - just use a wider cuboid. The problem is you are putting a hip just under the illiac spine which is totally anatomically incorrect - hip is way into the back. That's why your hips look so thin in the drawing you did around 17 minute. Box method is great but take a better look how the box is describing the pelvis anatomically. Cheers!

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +214

      OHHH OKAYYY, I see what you mean. Another good way of putting it would be pushing the hip upwards more (if you're looking at it from a frontal view). This isn't something id considered till now haha, the main idea of using the trapezoid was to get a good silhouette of the hips without losing the stomach line. For either method Ig its just a matter of remembering how and where to adjust your placements when drawing. But thanks for the feedback, Ill continue to learn myself ;)!

    • @pitrek121g
      @pitrek121g 10 месяцев назад +71

      @@qtpatrol sure - you can adjust to any shape :D I like rectangle more because quad muscle attach to the pelvis in the straight down from illiac spine so having the line down you now exactly where top of the leg joins. But you can just draw straight vertical lines from top corners - these are very useful. Keep up the good work!

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +62

      @@pitrek121g TYTY, ill keep that in mind. Ive exhausted alot of time into learning shoulder and the front upper torso anatomy without considering the tricks I could use for the lower half, Ill use your recommendations for my studies in the future! :)

    • @achievementart
      @achievementart 9 месяцев назад +7

      Elaborate please, are you talking about the greater trochanter, or something else

    • @pitrek121g
      @pitrek121g 9 месяцев назад +8

      @@achievementart yes, a pelvis is the widest at the height of greater trochanters when standing (I am talking about the pelvis area of the human being not the bone itself 😅) and these are in around half of the box while looking at the side of the body. In the video it was like these are at the front of the pelvis

  • @soggybangel
    @soggybangel 9 месяцев назад +238

    fuck it we goin square

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  9 месяцев назад +33

      Awwe man I messed up, we gotta go square

    • @avokka
      @avokka 9 месяцев назад +37

      - Mojang Studios, May 2009

    • @myPookieBear120
      @myPookieBear120 2 месяца назад

      @@avokka lmao

    • @Herl_Shevin101
      @Herl_Shevin101 13 дней назад

      ​@@avokkalmao

  • @sacthequeen4295
    @sacthequeen4295 10 месяцев назад +129

    Damn, this is the motivation I needed to continue learning to draw rotated boxes

  • @fosqie
    @fosqie 10 месяцев назад +226

    simple and relatable! as someone who continuously struggling with body structure, videos like this are so revealing, there's never enough you know. keep it up

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +19

      I FEEL THE SAME! The path of learning is a long and never ending one so you gotta be open to the process B). Thx for the support!

  • @luminach
    @luminach 10 месяцев назад +105

    THIS is good. As someone who has struggled a lot with intuitively grasping construction and translating it into a finished figure, your tutorials are VERY much needed and appreciated.
    Many artists don't realize how quickly these basic ideas just click for them, so your effort to break it down, and dig deeper is a big deal. Looking forward to even more!

    • @hexcode5703
      @hexcode5703 10 месяцев назад +3

      Agree.

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +11

      Thanks a bunch! I realized a while ago that I was struggling to apply these concepts myself so I wanted to find ways to both understand and make them easier to understand aswell. Art can be a struggle even when it looks easy, biggest part is learnijg all the little tricks and tips ;)

  • @bazarhangai7962
    @bazarhangai7962 10 месяцев назад +471

    I was thirsty and i was trapped

    • @sohappyilltry
      @sohappyilltry 10 месяцев назад

      slut! just like me😂

    • @jmthesonicfan669
      @jmthesonicfan669 10 месяцев назад +24

      same finally I have someone I can relate

    • @Ninento
      @Ninento 10 месяцев назад +53

      Then drink some water

    • @humorouis2297
      @humorouis2297 10 месяцев назад

      ⁠@@Ninentofr

    • @Breadloaf230
      @Breadloaf230 9 месяцев назад +29

      Same (I’m a woman)

  • @armandobortoluso7302
    @armandobortoluso7302 10 месяцев назад +7

    What a great video! I was trying to wrap my head around the box construction for so long and you made it so easy! Thanks!

  • @randomman9748
    @randomman9748 10 месяцев назад +10

    Honestly I have always loved art mostly animation and I have always wanted to get better and after watching this it just seems fun this method is just fun to see so thank you for making this it was a pleasure and I hope you can continue helping others like you did for me

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +2

      for sure, learning is the biggest part, and you never wanna stop doing it

  • @user-lo5vk1ne4y
    @user-lo5vk1ne4y 8 месяцев назад +2

    the way the pictures progressed to a good sketch with just a few lines is amazing

  • @JH-pe3ro
    @JH-pe3ro 10 месяцев назад +25

    I've gradually taken the approach of construction being a thing derived automatically from contour and cross-contour studies, rather than a defined "method". It's true that having the planes of the box is helpful as a way to make the form crisp and spot some errors, but the more often you follow the contour, the more you automatically spot the landmarks on each part of the contour, so as long as you're observing a lot of real stuff and studying it from many angles and applying cross-sections, you always end up having the planes and relationships in your head. And then construction is just a matter of whether you want to let the contours drift into impressionism or if you want them tightened up to present depth of perspective and photoreal proportions.
    I'm following along little with these boxes, though, and it's odd how much I can feel the muscle memory of my study approach kicking in as soon as I start following the contour of the box and saying "oh, it's this configuration, so then make this kind of motion and that's about what the pelvis will look like in that angle." It's like looking at an apple and immediately writing "apple".

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +6

      Exactly, good point twhich you made that I forgot to add in about contours. Its important to remember that the body has tons of them and very little flat areas, esp in the front of the torso. There are some areas which are tempting to draw flat with the planes like the collarbones when in actuality, it depends on the style and or realism. I use cross contour every so often, but normally for the limbs OR if my torsu structure feels off (like muscle, breasts, etc). Might be a good thing to make notes on in the future ╥﹏╥. Noice catch :3!

  • @Chill-so4qk
    @Chill-so4qk 3 месяца назад

    Thank you so much lately I've been trying too understand construction and how to apply methods. I have been using the circle method but it was very hard for me to understand it. And actually apply it to my art. But I've been using this method and I have been able too see it. I also struggle with making my characters too thick or too thin. I love this tutorial and it helped me so much. You've gained a subscriber. ❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @QuestSabers
    @QuestSabers 10 месяцев назад +8

    This really helped me with consistency in my characters 💙

  • @thedoom1772
    @thedoom1772 4 месяца назад

    Just found this video but will say just seeing you wearing the boxes actually helped me understand a lot of where I was messing up with this method

  • @amymcavoy3584
    @amymcavoy3584 10 месяцев назад +1

    THIS AS THE VIDEO IT TOOK FOR ME TO SEE IT AND MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!! THANK YOU OH MY GOD

  • @LJXrot
    @LJXrot 10 месяцев назад +16

    Loving the box 2 piece, it really compliments your Figure

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +5

      tyty, its designer in fact

  • @skullwund8676
    @skullwund8676 10 месяцев назад +28

    i just saw the pt 1 you are good at explaining things

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +6

      Thanks I try my best! I just gotta figure out how to make these videos a bit shorter and faster is all haha

  • @user-ud3xg7kq1u
    @user-ud3xg7kq1u 10 месяцев назад +2

    Hope it continues this is really good! Congratulations on 500+ subs🎉

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks so much!!!

  • @corujabiruta3732
    @corujabiruta3732 5 месяцев назад

    now I'm in love with your boxy figure. it was so squary and visual!

  • @ashflav
    @ashflav 9 месяцев назад +2

    Damn, this is fun tutorial, and i'm hooked with your explanation. This is what i need, thank you!

  • @altair4745
    @altair4745 10 месяцев назад +3

    Really good tutorial, I just started to learn digiArt yesterday and learning how to draw pose. I just try to follow along some tutorials without really understand about the box thing. This tutorial really helpful for me, and now I'm learning how to draw the box to help me to draw pose better. Thanks!

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +2

      Hope you learned alot! Learning is a constant cycle so sometimes its hard to find a good resource. Its good to keep studying irregardless tho!

    • @altair4745
      @altair4745 9 месяцев назад

      @@qtpatrol Yes, today is my 5th day of learning and I'm still trying to get used to pentab while drawing difficult poses and shapes.
      Sometimes it feels like what I draw is different from the example, but I know that I just need to draw and learn more, Thank you!

  • @mr.handsomeman
    @mr.handsomeman 10 месяцев назад +1

    this is probably the most helpful vid I've come across thx.

  • @perplexical
    @perplexical 6 месяцев назад

    I sure do love watching content about 3D modelling

  • @drowing6350
    @drowing6350 9 месяцев назад +4

    Your video was very informative and useful for me), thank you, I was very surprised how you came up with the idea to make a model for drawing, I'll try to make it myself.
    Thanks to the recommendations of RUclips, greetings from Russia, good luck in the development of the channel.

  • @windyblackrose
    @windyblackrose 9 месяцев назад +1

    dang, how creative to explain how box method works

  • @cherico94
    @cherico94 10 месяцев назад +1

    Absolute best. Preaching the words of the almighty Glen Vilppu.

  • @lushi9374
    @lushi9374 9 месяцев назад +2

    This is suck an awesome method. Thank you so much for the explanation and figure creation !! Cheers!

  • @JohnKratos529
    @JohnKratos529 3 месяца назад

    Banger tutorial man, thanks for sharing!

  • @RIP_Rxnin
    @RIP_Rxnin 10 месяцев назад +17

    Clicked for the thumbnail, left with a good art lesson. 🗿🍷

    • @OneCxnt
      @OneCxnt 10 месяцев назад

      Agreed🗿

  • @lukas4705
    @lukas4705 9 месяцев назад +2

    In the summer I teach 2D drawing for game development and I taught the BOX METHOD. Legendary! xD

  • @MuItishine
    @MuItishine 10 месяцев назад +1

    Banger vid i was judt looking for somrone to guide me through their own process of usijg this method because mentally i could not grasp it lmao

  • @Mia-od6bs
    @Mia-od6bs 10 месяцев назад +1

    That’s a great idea to wear box to show how to use a box for posing and perspective great video 👍👍👍👍

  • @Chair592
    @Chair592 9 месяцев назад +2

    I love art tutorials man.
    The thumbnail and the examples are always good to bust a nut rq

  • @adm_negish
    @adm_negish Месяц назад

    開始3秒で高評価しました😂😂
    I rated it highly within 3 seconds of starting.

  • @dr.c7679
    @dr.c7679 10 месяцев назад +1

    actually very good and simple. thank you!

  • @kevineleven131
    @kevineleven131 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you bro. You've helped me alot!

  • @idonthaveaname5184
    @idonthaveaname5184 8 месяцев назад +1

    i really needed this rn lmao, tnx man, its a really gud tutorial.
    ill try to make my model too

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  8 месяцев назад

      lmk how it goes o7

  • @therealmrsketch
    @therealmrsketch 9 месяцев назад +1

    GENIUS!!

  • @shebo_114
    @shebo_114 5 месяцев назад

    I’m going to get my boxes ready soon lol thank u 👐🏼👐🏼

  • @ArseniKatsela
    @ArseniKatsela 10 месяцев назад +3

    A comment of support to a fellow artist! You are doing great job, keep it going! :)

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +1

      TYYYY 🙏

  • @Red-sb8fj
    @Red-sb8fj 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for the video. I really want to improve in that area of the body

  • @pikachufan25
    @pikachufan25 9 месяцев назад +2

    i actually just Recently Discover this too Awesome... Been Using Blender Free Models (the Humanoid Ones, and Been Using a Box and Try to see Where Things Fall,
    Just to have a Better Understanding of Things... of course they are just Simply Posing a Default Pose... but its Good to see that it can Scale if Done Propertly...
    i did Learn a Lot - i learn Where the Shoulder Goes on - how Should i think about the Skin - Think about Push and Pull (if its Pulling it Should Show Bone - otherWise Show Fat/Skin... But Respect the Bone Cause that is the Reason its Pushing Forward in the First-place).... Hmmm
    and Also Understanding More Complex Posing - What Happens When it Hides from you... Try to "Aproximate" as Best you can.... Since Experience Comes in Handy... but Relying on the Basic Shapes Helps A Lot since you are Shooting Blind all the Time, and Brings in Muscle memory into Account (Since you are Seeing the Same Pose Over Over Over again you can Re-use Poses...
    ETC.ETC.ETC

  • @BakedConjurer5
    @BakedConjurer5 5 месяцев назад

    just recently i learnt that everything is made out of box shape and i was practicing sketches of simplified poses using only boxes and cylinders and this video just pushes it, on my way to be an artist frr

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  5 месяцев назад

      LETS SEE THEM BOXES!!!1!!

  • @gzzye
    @gzzye Месяц назад

    MAN IN THE BOXXX

  • @AlexGalaxy14
    @AlexGalaxy14 6 месяцев назад

    Bro walked in with the box and everything just suddenly made so much more sense

  • @samwill4442
    @samwill4442 10 месяцев назад +1

    no way you are under 1k subs
    can't wait to see you hit a million subs!

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +1

      Gotta aim for 1k first haha, but thx for the support, I really appreciate it (❁´◡`❁)!

  • @wj12
    @wj12 8 месяцев назад

    godly method for a godly vid 💪

  • @user-pf3qi2dm2c
    @user-pf3qi2dm2c 8 месяцев назад +1

    where has this been my whole life drawing characters has never been easier lol :0

  • @IceTeea_09
    @IceTeea_09 9 месяцев назад +5

    **parent comes in**

  • @l33tkim_gamedev85
    @l33tkim_gamedev85 10 месяцев назад +1

    Finally, a video of culture

  • @TON3RI
    @TON3RI 10 месяцев назад +1

    Mans really blew up, here before 2k !!

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад

      Thanks bruh, appreciate u 😤❤

  • @threatbibulous
    @threatbibulous 9 месяцев назад +1

    youre a cool guy. thanks for the video dude

  • @ajuju9246
    @ajuju9246 9 месяцев назад +1

    Thank u! this is very helpful!

  • @aspebb
    @aspebb 10 месяцев назад +1

    This is actually the first time I've seen a guy in a box on RUclips. Neat.

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +1

      proffessional boxer*

  • @inferno6012
    @inferno6012 10 месяцев назад

    dude amazing so helpful and + examples awesome mate
    instant sub and sharing.

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад

      tyty, appreciate it

  • @wzvy
    @wzvy 10 месяцев назад +13

    how do you have so little subs, this is such a good tutorial it's unreal

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +6

      Just started making videos recently, we still gots a ways to go! Thanks for the support, appreciate you o7

  • @Luisillo05
    @Luisillo05 10 месяцев назад +1

    Good video bro, thanks for you explication

  • @frug1082
    @frug1082 5 месяцев назад +1

    You know you're getting a good informational video when the man has and Banana oni pfp

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  5 месяцев назад

      BANONI SUPPORTER SPOTTED!!1!!!!!

  • @Abel_15_
    @Abel_15_ 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you a lot this should help me with my drawing journey

  • @celticmanga
    @celticmanga 8 месяцев назад +3

    Excellent overview! You nailed it and actually went into detail about it too.

  • @elderweeb1834
    @elderweeb1834 9 месяцев назад +1

    very helpful! thank you!

  • @JoJoboiWav
    @JoJoboiWav 10 месяцев назад +1

    best drawing method fr

  • @TON3RI
    @TON3RI 10 месяцев назад +1

    Oh and good content ,helpeda lot, thanks!

  • @SentinalSlice
    @SentinalSlice 9 месяцев назад +1

    Love the intro.

  • @casy5
    @casy5 8 месяцев назад +1

    this guy is underrated give him mores subs

  • @Guiderealfrahreal
    @Guiderealfrahreal 2 месяца назад

    The video picture got our guard down

  • @Paopao621
    @Paopao621 9 месяцев назад +4

    I've been using the bean method by proko, but this one is good too.

  • @marinerush20
    @marinerush20 10 месяцев назад +4

    I literally watched the first part today, your tutorials have helped me in many ways. Consider me a new sub :)

    • @skullwund8676
      @skullwund8676 10 месяцев назад +2

      same

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +3

      Thanks, hope you learn alot and that we can both learn more in the future!

  • @Zergling99
    @Zergling99 10 месяцев назад +1

    Ty sir this is very helpful.

  • @jocatokujo7722
    @jocatokujo7722 8 месяцев назад

    jeez i could only imagine getting this good a drawing

  • @ArkamSause
    @ArkamSause 9 месяцев назад +1

    Real good thumbnail bro

  • @cliffberry1900
    @cliffberry1900 5 месяцев назад

    Brilliant!

  • @Dan_Sniper
    @Dan_Sniper 7 месяцев назад

    me feeling happy to see u before you get more famous in the future: 😇

  • @ShinAkuma
    @ShinAkuma 10 месяцев назад +2

    Men of culture honing our skills.

  • @kuch4
    @kuch4 3 месяца назад +1

    This is why it’s worth going to art school.

  • @shiverse9868
    @shiverse9868 10 месяцев назад +10

    This method works great, but what Ive learned from my experiences in art college is a method I prefer!
    Basically you make a simple boxy shape of the overall pose, then add an oval for the ribcage, a triangle up to the neck, and then lil triange undies. From there you can add the butt right underneath those undies (since it hangs lower than the front) and easily finish the pose. Doing this has made my gesture work insanely fast, and I was able to complete 100 gestures in a single day because of it, with 45 sec-1min for each (which definately was not needed due to procrastination :D)

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +5

      Actually sounds really cool! You happen to have a link to like an imgur or a video demonstration that shows this method?

    • @lilmao4482
      @lilmao4482 9 месяцев назад +2

      Ditto on asking for a short video explanation/demonstration lol. The triangle is for the neck (shoulders up)? Or does it go further?

    • @readifdumb
      @readifdumb 8 месяцев назад +1

      would definitely like a demonstration

    • @willest8480
      @willest8480 6 месяцев назад +1

      Me too

  • @Arr2_
    @Arr2_ 8 месяцев назад +1

    this is how we define goat

  • @patek2385
    @patek2385 10 месяцев назад +1

    GYAAAAAT

  • @valthor9381
    @valthor9381 8 месяцев назад

    thank you for the silly intro, it made me smile. also great info!

  • @Musa_Improves
    @Musa_Improves 10 месяцев назад +1

    Really helpful bring a video in a month if can be in week

  • @skullwund8676
    @skullwund8676 10 месяцев назад +2

    i hope you continue to do tutorial videos they are really helpfull

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks Ill do my best!

  • @_Madara_.
    @_Madara_. 9 месяцев назад +1

    ...it makes so much sense now

  • @orein1880
    @orein1880 10 месяцев назад +1

    I have been screaming "ITS ALL SQUARES AND BOXES HOLY SHT I CAN SEE EVERYTHING" ever since ive learned this

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад

      everything is boxes, you, me, the dog

  • @javieragutierrez8271
    @javieragutierrez8271 2 месяца назад

    finally!!! someone who thinks like me!!! thnks!!!!

  • @The_DoyDoy_Lord
    @The_DoyDoy_Lord 8 месяцев назад

    yoo bro is cooking

  • @-.Sneezer.-
    @-.Sneezer.- 27 дней назад

    With your little model you made, something I think you could do is put something between the top and bottom pieces that you can wrap a bendable material around, like the flower stems you used. could make it a little bit more useful than it already is 🤷‍♂ I'd have to go and try it myself to see, but ye

  • @shlokshedge3025
    @shlokshedge3025 10 месяцев назад +1

    nice work cp giong

  • @christiansoto6396
    @christiansoto6396 8 месяцев назад +1

    32 minutes of straight facts

  • @hinorichan172
    @hinorichan172 10 месяцев назад +1

    when you yourself is an art lol, thanks for this guide

  • @Damger-TWD
    @Damger-TWD 6 месяцев назад

    excelente video, gracias

  • @GAMATheForgottenOne
    @GAMATheForgottenOne 10 месяцев назад +1

    You are damn underrated man❤

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад

      Just doin what I can captain o7

  • @roomielover420
    @roomielover420 10 месяцев назад +1

    i’ve been using these methods for a while now but it never really ‘clicked’ for me. thank you for the tutorial hopefully i’ll finally get it down with this!

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад

      For sure for sure, lmk how it goes and if you have any questions I can help with!

  • @suzukiriyumeko
    @suzukiriyumeko 10 месяцев назад +1

    you are a goat for this! if its too much to ask pls dont worry about it, just was curious if you would be willing to put all the pictures of the model you may have taken, that werent included in the video, into like a doc. or imgur and link in desc so we could practice on them? Great vid btw

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад

      yeah maybe ill do that aswell as blue prints for the model itself when I have time!

  • @thedarkwolf5637
    @thedarkwolf5637 10 месяцев назад +1

    U saved my chunli drawing thank u

  • @bossatrino
    @bossatrino 7 месяцев назад

    whoaaa mama

  • @Force909
    @Force909 9 месяцев назад +1

    thumbnail got me

  • @cofphicup
    @cofphicup 4 месяца назад

    I'm late but I do wanna ask, do you have the measurements for the model? I'm currently trying to make one right now and it would be great to not have to blindly follow from what I see.
    Anyway, big kudos for the video, it helped me learn a lot about the basic of construction!

  • @Tycvtgnj
    @Tycvtgnj 9 месяцев назад

    Ty for your help

  • @ceoofmilk2756
    @ceoofmilk2756 10 месяцев назад +1

    Pretty good

  • @expertarcher8542
    @expertarcher8542 10 месяцев назад

    Man I subbed at the right time :)

    • @expertarcher8542
      @expertarcher8542 10 месяцев назад

      Yoooo he hit 500!

    • @qtpatrol
      @qtpatrol  10 месяцев назад

      @@expertarcher8542 thanks boss, I appreciate you. Hope you learn alot!

  • @darkshadowsaver
    @darkshadowsaver 4 месяца назад

    If you want a accurate representation put the rib cage and pelvis into the boxes it helps when visualize the figure in the boxes. So when practicing drawing boxes try using a different color pencil to line out the rib cage and pelvis. The pelvis is have a shorter box vs the ribcage one you are done practicing that for a few days then box out your favorite character poses then you can start to see it come together just by using boxes because you already have visual knowledge of drawing the ribcage and pelvis. Hope this help those inspiring artists