Buying a used Alfa Romeo 159 - 2005-2011, Common Issues, Buying advice / guide
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Buying a used Alfa Romeo 159 - produced from 2005 to 2011
What is the best engine, which gearbox should you choose, what are the common problems with these cars? How powerful are the best engines? Watch the video and you will get answers to all these questions!
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Alfa Romeo 159 1.75 Tbi, 1.8 MPi, 1.9 JTS, 2.2 JTS, 3.2 V6 JTS, 1.9 JTDM, 2.0 JTDM, 2.4 JTDM
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Hey man, do a review on the 2008 Citroen C5. Thank you!!
Benone di auto l’ultima alfa è la 164. Dalla 155 in poi bidoni di merda
For me the best car I've ever owned; 10years ago this1.9jtdm I tuned it to 200hp. Today 475000 km and still going strong! and now aiming at the 650000km mark.
Robert van Deursen Did yoh car had 159 h.p? I test drived one. It seemed to me lazy, slow abd overweighted. I hope your chip tuning changed that to the best.
how did you archieved 200 hp?
@@Nik-jq4tx Wow... Lazy. Really? Are you one of those people who cant enjoy a car under 300hp?
@@waifuracer6516 This car is too heavy for 150 h.p.
Gast hoe krijg je het voor elkaar om meer dan 300000km op een Alfa te krijgen haha
It is 2019 and I saw one 159 sedan recently, which is pretty rare in Finland. Every time time I see one, I think it is the best looking car ever built. Hard to believe it is 14 years old now.
That's very true. The way this car manages to look so fresh and stylish even after almost 2 decades is simply amazing. I really love the bread of Alfas coming down from the Brera concept of the early 2000s (Brera, Spyder, 159). In a way they look better than the new Giulia family imho.
I bought one last year, in here Finland. Subframe rust but I was surprised how clean it was at bottom. Red paint is chipping but it is issue with all cars this era since some enviromental restrictions on chemicals used in paints.
Edit: In video it says gearbox is usually reliable. Yeah the M32's legendary status is not known from its reliability... Altought I guess I'm lucky to have working one so far.
So true, the looks of this model are stunning!
Affor-table kills me everytime
How's your second language? Perfect? Accent free? How's your English?
I like come-for-table more lol
@@spencexxx if your accent is like this, make videos in your first language. this is laugh-able
I personally like his accent. I saw on his FB page that the number provided is for UAE, but honestly, he sounds like a Hungarian...
I have great respect for anyone who makes a real effort with a second language and this guy certainly does.
I bought my 159 1.9JTD in 2007, it now has 313k km on the clock, and I had only regular maintenance, except alternator failure. Totally underrated car. Not as sporty as its looks (heavy), but very reliable. I can only recommend.
Would you recommend it for beginners? I‘m almost done with my drivers license and i‘m asking myself which car I should buy.
we had just sold this car 2 days ago... I miss it already! we had it for 10 years (it's 13 years old).
oh man, im sorry bro :/
I have a 159 tbi..best car I've ever had..it's my fifth Alfa..had two 156..one 147 and one Mito turbo..I will be with Alfa til the end now!🍀🔥✌💯
🔥🔥💯💯
My 2007 159 1.9jDTM ran like a dream and I put over 100,000 miles on it - I swapped it for a 2009 Ti 1.9 jDTM that developed a leaking oil filter seal, needed ball joint/wishbone replacement, power steering pump replacement, power steering reservioir replacement, collapsed water pump + cam belt + pulley, siezed tie rod ends + the gearbox bearings went - all within 10 months of buying it.
You win some; you lose some. I still love Alfas though.
bought one recently. always loved alfa and this is not my first alfa but god its so damn amazing car. ever after so many years it looks incredible
Im looking to buy a car soon, and finding these vids very useful. Im learning alot about the cars im interested in buying...
5 years on only a window motor gave up on freezing temps.
Front tire wear higher than competitions since the engine weight (2.4 jtdm) but also steering is tuned well so it has to work more on the front axel to avoid understeering.
Every garage/inspection is amazed by the condition.
Absolute pleasure coming after a few boring Nissans and Passats :D
I run a 2007 3.2 159 V6 Q4 Qtronic. Rare car with just 62k miles reliable as the come I even managed 28 mpg! Good vid. Top tip use only 97 Ron for better mileage👍
Bought my 159 1.9jtdm with 44.000km and I've enjoyed it whole 220.000km from my side and still counting! The car has 264.000km behind it and it just loves to take the corners more aggressively ... oh what a ride!
Oil change every 20-30.000 km and it has almost null oil consumption(ca 0.5L on 30.000km).
We had to change 6-th gear bearings at around 220.000km which I don't take as a bad thing.
Tire-wear: yes, the front tires get chewed up faster than the rear and under an angle but they hold for 30.000km which is a normal tire lifetime*.
I wouldn't suggest buying one if you have a uneven bumpy roads, you will scratch the bottom as it is very low at the front axle.
Wouldn't suggest it as well if you have a lot of snow... there it might be a little clumsy.
There is a lot of bad rumors about Alfas but my has proven it different. It is a very comfortable car for long distances and it is reliable!
One who says different had a bad luck buying it from previous careless owner or he definitely doesn't take a good care of it.
The 159 is a devious lady, you have to be very careful with her when she is cold, but when on temperature she is a lovable beast!
It's because it's production is lead by a German guy not Italian.
Sounds quite right but the snow isn't a problem!
The problem is most germans cant really drives cars, i mean most of them just blindly floor it before giving it time to correctly warmup and lubricate, so many issues engine problems. Sad thing is alot havent even driven an alfa but just from rumors they assume its
So you're talking about previous careless owners and you're only changing the oil every 20-30 thousand kilometers??!!! Most cars of this age are supposed to be 15 thousand kilometers and the video says to do it every 10 thousand..... I've done 10 thousand on all the cars I own regardless of what the manual says.
I think they get a bad rep because their predecessors were aweful. The 156 had engine problems, electric problems as well as massive rust issues (At least here in the north of europe). I used to own one, and when it was 7 years old I'd experienced the following: Head gasket failure, belt retainer failure, wiper motor failure, fuel indicator failure, MAF failure, headlight failure (one side kept killing the running lights), airbag failure, exhaust header cracked, front upper suspension failure and significant rust on the bottom below the seats. I do remember someone at the dealership telling me that the 'new' 159 was going to be better though. Never dared find out. They're cheap now though, so if I can find a Q4 somewhere I might be willing to try.
Great car ... my uncle used to have one and we loved it!
One helpful input: if you buy a petrol version, check if the oil thermometer works. Changing it is pesky because the sensor sits down in the oil tray and the whole half of the tray needs to be opened. And don't be fooled by the indicator showing movement -- frequent errors are that it first moves up, but then drops back to 0. You need a longer drive to check it is properly working.
Love my 159 sportwagon. Plenty you can do yourself but don't try changing front brake pads as pins will be seized. Do Change the oil very often and it will go for miles and super fun to drive when turbo kicks in and don't slow down too much in the corners for more fun. This car is a head turner in town.
Fantastic review, informative, Brilliant, well done.
I´ve one 159 2.4 JTDm for13 years and I'm not able to say good bye to it. Understand? great car!!!
you really did it :) thank you man... great review ;)
I have a 159 2ltr diesel Ti 2010. never had a problem as of yet Going on 1year all is good . great car.
How was it?
Did u have any issues afterwards?
been waiting for this! thank you!
Very nice video! Helps me alot looking for a good 159 👌🏻😉
I can only imagine the hand gestures.
Alfais for car enthusiasts...not for people who just want a box to go from a to b grazie Mille ciao
Tuti fruti mozzarela
Great job man keep going :D
Always great content ! Thanks
great review, keep it up :)
The most beautiful and reliable car. I bought new 2010 AR159 2.2 JTS and running 'more than 12 years clocking 301,000km.
You need change the clutch every 120,000km and I have changed twice. There are other issue like engine mounting.
Other than that it is a piece of art.
Wow! I have the same one (2010 2.2 JTS 159 saloon manual). Bought it about 3 months ago.
Mine has done 175.000 km and clutch is good. But I don't know if it was ever replaced, because it was a comony car belonging to a bank, so it was mostly driven longer jurnies. My engine mounts are good as well, I think. The chain too.
I replaced the intake variator solenoid valve, and that short radiator hose from the top of engine. I will see if I could clean the intake valves in the next few months, but that is about it that the engine needed. Of course, did the regular engine svice and also the gearbox oil and added additional 0.5L of oil through the top plug, to protect the 6th gear bearing.
Thank for your channel.
Excellent review, thank you.
Love this very informative video friend thank you for the upload
I’m planning to buy a 1.9 JTDM diesel 150 HP. I fell in love with the 156 back in 1999. Since then I always wanted to have a little piece of Italy! 😊 I don’t buy it because I need it, it’s simply because I want it. 😄
I just bought mine. 1.9 jtdm. Previous owner was not perfect but luckily he did not have it for long. It is gorgeous.
Hows your Year of ownership been going? I'm about to buy one now
Thanks for the info, good job.
Bought one 2 weeks ago. Gone abaout 100k km and drives like a beauty.
Good video very informative!
A friend of mine has buyed one in 2 hand the van, the best he ever owned. No problems and very very beautiful. It comes from netherlands to Portugal. I drive it, amazing.
I have an AR 2.4 Jtdi from 2007 that I upgraded with a variable geometry turbo, now 210hk without chip tuning.
Owned it 6 years until now and I can’t get myself to sell it and get a Giulia, but some years out in the future I will.
Great car and way underpriced 👌
Amazing how beautiful it looks even on 2020
Rusty shocks and springs are also a problem - they sometimes even break because of corrosion . And Another thing is important: Many have moisture problems - check under the floor carpet if there is moisture or even water. When it rains, the rain sometimes runs down the door and finds its way to the driver or passenger floor. And the last problem: A weird noise coming from the AC - the noise may get louder the more you accelerate - if the AC is still working you have to maintain the AC with new gas than the problem should be gone!
JTS timing chain issues are quite common. Had to be replaced twice now on my car which has 160000km on the meter.
Also the notorious M32 gearbox has too tight fittings on the bearings, had to open that up also.
Best guide on YT
Thank you, finnaly somebody who doesnt complain about reliability about this car
Love the front end of these cars proportions
thank you. going to check one out this weekend. 2d 170 variant.
Alfa 159 - 6 min video
Bmw 5 series - 25 min video
Audi a4 - 20 min video
That says all....who said German cars are most reliable?
Thank you for sharing this great informative video. I love the looks of this car, I've never had the chance of driving one before and I'm in the market for a cheap run-around car. I've heard "all the horror stories" about Alfas and I'm frankly not ready to face such issues. I also had my doubts on... "how do these people drive these cars that are so unreliable?"... on the other hand, I did hear from a few people that the car treats you like you treat IT, and that they never had any (major) issues and they love their cars. It's either this or a w203 2.7 CDI. The 320d's in the price range (with comparable options) are rubbish so that leaves me with these. Volvo S40? What's everyone's opinion, please? Thx again.
Can you do one of these for the Alfa Romeo 147?
Very good review, by an Italian
Ive just seen a 3.2 Q4 with body kit and aftermarket exhause with 60k miles... now after seeing this vid i want it even more than i did before...
Buy it...i did 10 months ago...no regrets
Can you please make a video about a used Alfa Romeo Stelvio
I had a 2.4 JTDM. It was amazing but when i hit 200k Kilometers the car got extremly unreliable the air conditioning and the powersteering broke multiple times, and the worst i had was some turbo sensor which broke and the engine had no power anymore (I could do barely 80 km/h) the car mechanic wanted 3000 EUR for repairing because he had to buy a new diagnose tool, luckily i got a friend who found the problem and the sensor was around 11 EUR . I had to sell it after some years for a poor price to some polish guys with their Renault Master
I bought it and iam abolutely satisfied with it.
I think this is best design I have seen
pls make review on Hondas pls thanks
Very good video
thanks !
I have the 2.4jtdm and im really looking forward to a great Future with it.
How has it treated you thus far? I have heard conflicting reports of electrical issues but bar that it's perhaps one of the most beautiful sedans I have ever seen, even now in 2020. The 2.4 JTDm is something I've been keeping my eye on for a while now and I would love to hear your thoughts on it.
@@ronanmurphy8336 Who cares about the issues? It is not like they cost a thousand Euros each to fix. It is about how the car is, how it looks, how it drives, how refined it is,... Otherwise everyone would be driving a reliable economy shitboxes their whole life. What is the point...
Hey people! Do you think I should make a channel here on RUclips with my 159?
I own and its perfect :)
Slim Shady do you recommend it as a first car?
my second wife is an alfa romeo 159!
impossible to give it up!
I saw a 156 jtd 8 valve with 250 km. The engine sounds healthy. Which engine problems should I do care if i buy it?
Thank you!
in Italy we easily do 300-400'000 kilometers without problems, the rest are chatter
looking to buy a 2.4 JDTm verison... found an affordable Q4 will see it this vid was helpful, and the first thing I do to it will be to remove the swirl flaps :D
The 2.4JTDm is a very good engine but you have to remove the Swirl Flaps indeed. But it's quite a job to do this!
Кви пари ти взеха братле?
Do a 147 review
Do you think you could make a checklist to download?
cauko , mam 159ti jtdm a zijem v sydney a musim povedat ze je super super spolahliva a jazdi ako drak ..... len naozaj ten tvoj prizvuk by sa dal krajat :-)
159 rear window where is the relay to stop the electric motor so it doesn’t brake the cable?
Great! Can you do Honda Accord??!!
Hi folks. Went to look at a 159ti 1.8 sportwagen and when still and turning the wheel I could feel a slight vibration/judder/pulse. When driving not so. Any advice or ideas of parts that may need replacing? Could affect the sale.
Can you make a video on second gen (2011-2017) VW Touareg?
yes I can, but I can't tell you right now when exactly, but most probably next month
My 159 is well built and refined. Great for cruising but not great around town. You can’t run these cars on a shoestring. Any problems that crop up get fixed ASAP as they are maintenance hungry and things can snowball, same as any other premium car.
How much maintenance you would say by meaning its hungry?
Comfort Table.
Good car
Nice accent mate.
After owning my 159 2.4jtdm Q4 for 60K km and 4 years i can point out the following:
1. Propshaft bearings
You cannot swap these, the service costs ~1600€ new shaft costs ~3000€ new. The bearing is welded in in the factory so it needs specialised shop to rebuild.
2. Very reliable car but!
Many small things need fixing which might get annoying if you don't work on your own car and rely on a shop to do it. Prepare to change front suspecion components annually, boot gas struts, brake related service items, interior things like window regulator, rear wiper motor etc. Easy DIY but be prepared. And the Damm elastic alternator belt keeps making noice, challenging to change and needs chaning every year on my car...
3. Build quality
If you like solid build quality this car might not be for you. Everything feels cheap and plasticky, nothing really works as smoothly as on say, German cars like: Rain senror, ESP, Folding mirrors, wipers, AC. They all work but if you are used to German quality it all feels cheap.
4. Not very impressed with the driving
On slow speeds the car feels very heavy, heavy steering and the diesel spools up slowly. Gearbox feels notchy (6speed manual) and drivetrain clunks when you let off the clutch quickly. The car drives beautifully in higher speeds and this is great! but the road noise is high imo.
The car over all impresses me with it's stylish design and reliability. Starts everytime (even in -40celcius) and runs with no issues.
One of the best cars I ever owned, the 159 2.4 JTDM. Now I go with Stelvio 2.2 Diesel, even greater car... Pity, that Alfa discontinued the 5C Diesel, but 2.2 is a good successor, anyway.
Monstroterratum do you recommend it as a first car??
Uchiha Itachi sure I do!
Monstroterratum thanks for replying
Monstroterratum hi there, just bought a black metallic, beige leather interior 2.4JTDM with only 50000 miles, I just love this car...elegant,sporty, fast and that smooth Diesel engine with the q-tronic, and all for 10 grand (euros). The best it’s that unique design with that unmistakable face and sexy rear, forget all Audi, Merc and BMW...all look the same, booooooring!!
@@rolandrumpff6695 any problems with it yet? i'm thinking of buying a car if i work hard enough this summer and i'm mainly choosing between an Audi a3, either first gen with a 1.8t or 1.9tdi, or second gen with a 1.9tdi or 2.0fsi/tfsi and obviously an alfa 159, i'm mainly looking at a 2.4 as i hear it's the most reliable (it's got plenty of power too). i'd prefer a more powerful car but if it would have a lot of problems i'd probably choose reliabilty w/ a tune rather than a bit more power.
what do you think?
hi on 2.2 JTS selespeed when to change timing ?
Hello Every one
I have Alfa 156 1999 model 2.0 lit Twinspark SeleSpeed.
I got a problem and need a solution from those who are experienced please:
Diagnostic :
When I drive in a very slow speed specially on road humps; there is a red light icon (like a sprayer) lights up when this lights up, the gear dismantles from Engine , instantly the car doesn’t move front or back, no fuel acceleration however the engine keeps running, but the car doesn’t move UNLESS I SWITCH OFF the engine and turn it (ON) again, then the car moves on. However while driving on long distance the car runs excellent and doesn’t make any problem. The engine temperature shows normal too.
Please help to let me know the problem. Thanks for every one.
thank you so much
do you have one for sale?
um no
no problem untill 200.000.
wich is when I had to go off road, damaging the plug of the vent...
basically it seemed invincible untill I sked WAY too much
Why you didn't mention that the 6speed manual gearbox (M32 gearbox from opel) is not that great ?!
You even said the opposite, that 6 speed automatic is not as reliable, which is not true. EVEN IF IT IS NOT, it certainly is better than the 6speed manual offered here.... you can find a lot of examples of gearbox noise after 150.000km or less...
6 speed manual from 147/156 is a "spaceship" for this gearbox here
I just wonder about the hydraulic fluid for the power steering. I bought my 159 from Italy with red fluid in it, when one of the hydro pipes developed a crack and it had to be changed, my shop recomended a fluid (in accordance with the manual) that was also red... So why do you recommend green? BTW its 2.4 jtdm, with 214 tkm on the clock and this was the only breakdown :-) ...in 1,5 years of my ownership
it's your car so you can put whatever you want in it, but:-On the early 159 (up to which date is not known) the wrong GI/E 'red' fluid was put in the steering reservoir at the factory.
-Stickers under the bonnet though usually indicate the correct GI/R ('green') fluid.
-The handbook started off saying the 'red' fluid but changed later to the 'green' fluid.
-There is also an issue with the reservoir on the early cars - this has been modified on later cars and a revised reservoir should be fitted when changing the fluid at the same time.
Why the 'green' fluid? It flows better within the system, particularly in cold weather.
however at higher mileage changing the fluid can cause problems: in some cases the steering racks started to leak the moment they changed the fluid to the green one
It is because the problemm is that green fluid is thinner then the red fluid, and if you have old seals in your steering rack, it can leak with grean fluid. While since the red one is thicker, it would not leak. Of course, if your seals are good, gren one is better since it provides better lubrication. You can find more info on stillrunningstrong /car-specs-problems/alfa-romeo/alfa-romeo-159/ (not my site).
The front end is one of the most beautiful design if not the best . rear design is just okay not special, they could have done better like front. Love this car beautiful
159 jtdm 1.9 or 159 1.8 petrol?
If you buy good example its a good buy
Hello there. wOULD U LIKE TO MAKE A REVIEW FOR ALFA ROMEO STELVIO? THANKS ;) HAVE NICE DAY.
Is the 3.2 jts reliable? I would buy one but i'm skeptic about it. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance.
Quite reliable but very thirsty!
Dude, your channel is great. This car (939 Alfa - 159, Brera and Spider) deserve a lot more detailed video. Please consider making an updated version of the video.
Also, I would appreciate more Alfa videos, like 166 for example.
So, that's a no then? :/
The 2.4 jtdm is probably the best one to me just because I have one 😂 and also the 5 cylinders
Edit: it's a lusso if anyone is wondering and on less than 100k miles
Can you please do infinity🙏🏻
You have hungarian accent or not ?
Can you tell about alfa romeo mito problems ? Which motor is reliable?
All except for the Multiair petrol one. The T-Jet and the diesels are generaly reliable.
Bella e raffinata! Non trovate?
Actually the diesels are far more reliable. The petrol 4 cyl also use way to much gas for the performance they offer.
I am looking at getting the car only thing is the guy said it is missing its a 159 JTD turbo diesel has anyone ran it to this i dont know what it could be an he is selling it for $3,500
Any diesel that has a miss in its compression has serious fault.
Parts availability is becoming a problem. Some parts are no longer in production (by any manufacturer), sine 2-3 years ago. Out of 4 engine mounts for 2.2 JTS, only the bottom short one is available, and only one bushing for the bottom long one. The top (main) engine and transmision mounts are not available anywhere (in the world).
next alfa 156?
Is this car suitable for extreme weather conditions? -30°C, salt, sand and mud on the roads. Will it rust excessively?
The front and rear subframes will rust in those conditions. Also the front inner wings. The rest of the car is well protected.
I want an answer is this vehicle good as first car
y not
Q4?
I bought one few weeks ago, it's wonderful and quite powerful but the transmission is extremely poor and you can find engineers bug. What they were drinking while drawing this beauty?
Which transmission? Manual? M32 is a GM gearbox, so blame GM engineers, not Italians.