Currently watching and I just want to say thank you so much for including subtitles and not having background music competing with your voice. I'm partially deaf and most creators seem unfazed that their content is going to be inaccesible to a lot of people.
100% agreed! I'm not hearing impaired but I still hate background music with a passion. It's annoying at best but made me unsub from some really good content creators otherwise because I just can't watch those videos.
@@_Jester_ He's usually pretty good with this kind of thing but I remember one of Adam Savage's videos where he was talking while wearing a full-face respirator and using a rotary tool and I thought, you have far more confidence in my hearing than I, sir. Background music is the same, it's just noise that kills your content unless you've gone down the non-talking My Mechanics kind of road.
The order of operations can be vital. For instance, when to say, "yahtzee". Sometimes, not saying it when you're supposed to say it can cause dissonance and pain for viewers.
I (very amateur machinist) was parting some tubing to length at my local maker space. When I grabbed a hex key to catch the piece I was cutting off the experienced machinist working nearby smiled. When I unthinkingly said Yahtzee as the cut finished he broke out laughing!
We've all seen your attempt at using a lathe Bob....... You REALLY need to set aside a day to binge watch Quinn's channel before you break something ! LOL !
People with doctor-calibre handwriting unite! Good thing there's an alphabet of lines, I'd be in trouble if people had to read my handwriting on any regular basis 😅
Beginning/hobbiest machinists should watch this video a minimum of 3 times, and let everything soak in. Almost everything you said is its own pearl of wisdom, and those of us who learned machining before the years of RUclips had to "earn" these little pearls of wisdom through (often expensive) failures. Keep up the good work, as always. -Andy
Excellent video! Many times I have prematurely removed a feature only to discover I needed it later to grip the part in order to finish the job. It is so important to think the job through before making chips.
And if a couple of extra columns were added, you could indicate tools/tooling required, and feeds and speeds. Check availability and do calcs before starting. If you add calculated cutting time, too, you've pretty much recreated what I used to produce for the workshops when I was a planning engineer in a factory.
I'm not a machinist. I just do leatherwork, but when you made the comment about riskiest ops first I was thinking, "I do the same thing with leather!" Better to find out you have to chuck a piece early than invest all that time and ruin it at the end.
Blondi you read my mind, i'm just starting to teach myself about and set up a machine shop and I had a mini panic attack the other day thinking about how I didn't understand ANYTHING about order of operations yet. Thank you for a gentle start and making it all feel less overwhelming! I've watched your entire mill and lathe series - killer work.
Very important subject . Very well taught. I can relate to the order of operation as I am a boilermaker, so a fabricator and the sequence of approach each job is the key strategy of success.
As a neophyte with an 80 year old Craftsman lathe and a Chinese bench top mill, I invariably learn from your videos. Besides that, you're good company. Thanks.
I love watching Quinn, at one time I was a top notch machinist and worked for several companies. Traded it all in to start my own business and I now do very little machining. I think when I retire I will go back as a hobby. so great seeing a pro at work.
Great video Quinn, I've machined quite a few parts now thanks to these videos. Now I'm hitting dimensions and caring about surface finishes. Thanks for all the great advice!
The money phrase for sure 🤣. "the more parts you make, the more you'll understand when and how". Because when you get it wrong it causes you to have to learn a new technique to overcome the problem you've caused yourself. Great vid thanks. I noticed that as a machinist that's learned the old school way, nobody ever actualy taught me specifically about the order of operations. You just sort of realise very quickly that it's about logical progressions and two key parts of a process that enable the whole job to come together just right can be at total opposite ends of the process not seeming connected untill you arrive at a particular piont and suddenly it becomes clear that you really do have to think your plans through.
That "Side bar" bit you added about doing tricky features early got a big "Amen" from me. For me, it tends to be any small diameter threaded holes that I get out of the way ASAP. There's nothing worse than putting hours of effort into getting a part dimensionally perfect, only to hear the "Click of doom" right at the end as you snap a 3mm tap off in it. I'd rather cut threads first, even if that means I have to carefully run a tap down the pre cut threads again at the end to clean them back up.
In the beginning days as a student fitter/machinist, our class exercises required that we write down every step in an “order of operations” document. We were expected to write down every step in the process, even scratching your arse as you tried to work out what to do. Trivial things like going to the tool store an to get a tap or spanner were included. It was a tough regime but it taught me valuable lessons!! Stavros
This video could be dangerous as a drinking game, like every time Quinn says "Order of Operations" you drink, people could end in the hospital! Hahahha I liked the special VFX used in this episode, so real!
A good recounting of the rules of thumb so to speak. I will just add that the bigger the project the more the notebook is needed, right up to solid works or autocad. Don't skimp on pencil time.
Quinn, thank you for all of the videos that you've done. I am no means a proffessional machinist, I started when I was about 8 or 9 yo. on a jewlwers lathe my dad had picked up, without a motor, so I was cuttinc brass shell casings literally by hand, anyway, you have taught & shown me many little tricks that make life a whole lot easier, THANK YOU
Congratulations for your work and your perseverance, I started making metal objects for furniture and I can say that from the project to the work and then the video editing I "lose" days ... I hope to make a job of it 😁 these videos deserve with all the work behind it 💪
Forgive me, but the machinist's knowledge you impart here is priceless. Now, for us wee mortals what have only R8 Collets... please speak to R8 Collet blocks.
I was going to make a similar comment. With special effects this good clearly she should be changing careers away from professional hobby machinist on RUclips.
Yea, I just built a handle for the cross slide knob or wheel. And not thinking, I put a tapper on it before doing other operations. Not a good idea ! But it finally got done dispite my lack of planning and now it's working and spinning and so so much better.
I really enjoy your channel. I love your wit and of course, the instruction is first class. I find myself laughing AND learning which isn't easy to pull off. Thank you
That looks like a nice chuck key. And the thourghts on order of operations is very useful. I have on more than one occassion jumped into a project, starting doing things, and then found that "Ah, now I've not a tapered part, that I can't hold in the chuck" or similar things.
Great video Quinn! Experience (as you say) plays a big part in getting the order of operation right, but these videos also help a lot. I'm starting to think a head more now. In some projects I have deliberately left stock longer all the way through the project because I know that I will need to hold it in one of the final processes.
Insightful and unique vid for your channel- and - I really enjoyed it. I always like to get in the makers head a little and hear what your thinking about while you’re doing what you do. I wouldn’t mind a few more of this style vid moving forward. In a former Air Force life I was a jet engine troop working F-15’s in phase dock where we’d do scheduled inspections with many other specialties working the jet. We always had to plan and schedule who and when for a smooth order of operation for testing and NDI etc. Lots of moving parts. Thanks for your unique and enjoyable videos. You’re one of my favs. Jim in Delaware.
Well, this video came at the right time; Just made 8 very concentric studs in the 4 jaw chuck, only to realize I didnt make the boss on the front of each one 🤦♂️
My day job was planning engineer for large civil engineering projects. Its no different when its small. I write down the activities in order and visualise each process before starting. Ime doing an IC cylinder head and its all about reference surfaces and order of process. Too many hours invested in it to mess up at the final cut.
Order of operation would really help a lot when you are doing CNC stuff. Those CAM software are basically a fancy note just like shown in the video that can also calculate machining time!
I’m glad you made the software development reference at the end (my professional field). Also, will you be refilming the opening “credits” to feature aproning of the new chuck key?
nice way to explain things al depends on skill set and equipment I would have done some things differently but I have worked in the metal industry for years great vidio
That was an excellent film, thank you. Very useful. And I liked the little software analogy. Is there a 'proper' way to deburr/chamfer cross holes drilled in round bars. It's something I have always found tricky.
I would suggect cutting it down to a short length and putting a hex on the opposite end. Then it can be chucked into a cordless drill for a power chuck upgrade.
Order of operation, not many videos about that on RUclips. It's a think I think most people struggle with. Obviously sitting here watching the videos people produce makes it impractical to gages ovo (Orientation Vectors Operation) that people are taking and there considerations if any. Though most are just hobbiests that do it for fun or a bit of side money. And there parts have 0 for thought of such. Thought I do like the Machining and Radiation channel. There's a lot more thought about ovo in his scrap than I do of my own part. 😆 tangent... this is a great video on Order of operations.
At 7:55 I'm confused. Could Quinn (or somebody else) define "planar concentricity" and "axial concentricity"? I assume that these are colloquialisms that I don't understand. It's my understanding of GD&T that: * 'Concentricity' is a measure of the deviation between centre points of two cylinders, with the datum being the centre point of the plane orthogonal to a cylindrical face. It is "radial symmetry". * 'Coaxiality' is a measure of the deviation between the central axes of two cylinders. The datum is a cylindrical face. Sidebar: * If the datum is an axis, you're specifying 'run-out'. 'Total Indicated Runout (TIR)' is a cheaper tolerance to hit for a functional rotating part (shafts etc.) * Let's ignore 'Cylindricity' and 'Circularity'! Re: the comment policy, I'm not trying to be mean or "mansplain" here, I'm just a confused hobby machinist.
Other disciplines have methods for optimization, surely cad/cam setups can compute the order of operations for optimization of a given design with respect to time, tool wear, power requirements, concentricity, tolerance, etc. Perhaps there is even a cute little algebra with it's own symbols and notations. Reverse Polish notation or Ukrainian farm girl notation? 17:30
Hi. Thanks for sharing your insight. I enjoy watching your channel. Just a quick question. What wouldn’t you just press fit the tommy bar instead of using a set screw? I have a 9” Southbend that needs a chuck key. Thx!
"Order of operations" : 36
"Concentricity" : 26
In case anyone's wondering
"decisions"?
I think we got order of operations covered for at least 3 hobbit generations
Currently watching and I just want to say thank you so much for including subtitles and not having background music competing with your voice. I'm partially deaf and most creators seem unfazed that their content is going to be inaccesible to a lot of people.
YES YES YES.
100% agreed! I'm not hearing impaired but I still hate background music with a passion. It's annoying at best but made me unsub from some really good content creators otherwise because I just can't watch those videos.
@@_Jester_ He's usually pretty good with this kind of thing but I remember one of Adam Savage's videos where he was talking while wearing a full-face respirator and using a rotary tool and I thought, you have far more confidence in my hearing than I, sir. Background music is the same, it's just noise that kills your content unless you've gone down the non-talking My Mechanics kind of road.
The order of operations can be vital. For instance, when to say, "yahtzee". Sometimes, not saying it when you're supposed to say it can cause dissonance and pain for viewers.
I (very amateur machinist) was parting some tubing to length at my local maker space. When I grabbed a hex key to catch the piece I was cutting off the experienced machinist working nearby smiled. When I unthinkingly said Yahtzee as the cut finished he broke out laughing!
Brilliant!
I was heartbroken at this serious omission!
When it comes to order of operations, my favorite op, which I like to save until the very end, is the breaking of the tap... :)
Yeah, done that a few times..
😂😂😂
New subscriber, the way you explain things is phenomenal; your sarcastic humor is priceless! Looking forward to more!!
It was the humour that drew me in! That and the funky words.... I STILL remember 'catty-whompus'. 😀
@@Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you 😅😅😅
The dramatic re-enactment made me go to tears 😭😂 *drill noise*
Thank you! This was great!!!
We've all seen your attempt at using a lathe Bob....... You REALLY need to set aside a day to binge watch Quinn's channel before you break something ! LOL !
Thanks Bob! 😄
Great job ! You are the queen !
I actually planned to comment that Bob was gonna love this... Guess I was right, lol.
I always watch Quinn’s channel prior to breaking things because she shows how to fix it.
Quinn - another masterful job of clearly articulating the key elements of a huge subject, with very appropriate visuals, to boot!
"Pedagogical framework". THAT is why you're Awesome Saucesome, Quinn.
People with doctor-calibre handwriting unite! Good thing there's an alphabet of lines, I'd be in trouble if people had to read my handwriting on any regular basis 😅
Beginning/hobbiest machinists should watch this video a minimum of 3 times, and let everything soak in. Almost everything you said is its own pearl of wisdom, and those of us who learned machining before the years of RUclips had to "earn" these little pearls of wisdom through (often expensive) failures. Keep up the good work, as always. -Andy
@@etherealbolweevil6268 indeed!
Excellent video! Many times I have prematurely removed a feature only to discover I needed it later to grip the part in order to finish the job. It is so important to think the job through before making chips.
This was easily one of the most educational videos I have watched with clear reasoning.
Simplicity almost always reveals beauty. -this is the video I return to often.
Thank you for all your efforts. Such a good teacher!
Merry Christmas!
A shot of your notes (at 17:40) was VERY informative. I learned a lot about how to get the ‘order’ from my thoughts to paper. Thanks,
And if a couple of extra columns were added, you could indicate tools/tooling required, and feeds and speeds. Check availability and do calcs before starting. If you add calculated cutting time, too, you've pretty much recreated what I used to produce for the workshops when I was a planning engineer in a factory.
I'm not a machinist. I just do leatherwork, but when you made the comment about riskiest ops first I was thinking, "I do the same thing with leather!" Better to find out you have to chuck a piece early than invest all that time and ruin it at the end.
_chuck_ a piece, eh?
Blondi you read my mind, i'm just starting to teach myself about and set up a machine shop and I had a mini panic attack the other day thinking about how I didn't understand ANYTHING about order of operations yet. Thank you for a gentle start and making it all feel less overwhelming! I've watched your entire mill and lathe series - killer work.
Very important subject . Very well taught. I can relate to the order of operation as I am a boilermaker, so a fabricator and the sequence of approach each job is the key strategy of success.
As a neophyte with an 80 year old Craftsman lathe and a Chinese bench top mill, I invariably learn from your videos. Besides that, you're good company. Thanks.
I love watching Quinn, at one time I was a top notch machinist and worked for several companies. Traded it all in to start my own business and I now do very little machining. I think when I retire I will go back as a hobby. so great seeing a pro at work.
Great video Quinn, I've machined quite a few parts now thanks to these videos. Now I'm hitting dimensions and caring about surface finishes. Thanks for all the great advice!
The money phrase for sure 🤣. "the more parts you make, the more you'll understand when and how". Because when you get it wrong it causes you to have to learn a new technique to overcome the problem you've caused yourself. Great vid thanks. I noticed that as a machinist that's learned the old school way, nobody ever actualy taught me specifically about the order of operations. You just sort of realise very quickly that it's about logical progressions and two key parts of a process that enable the whole job to come together just right can be at total opposite ends of the process not seeming connected untill you arrive at a particular piont and suddenly it becomes clear that you really do have to think your plans through.
That "Side bar" bit you added about doing tricky features early got a big "Amen" from me.
For me, it tends to be any small diameter threaded holes that I get out of the way ASAP. There's nothing worse than putting hours of effort into getting a part dimensionally perfect, only to hear the "Click of doom" right at the end as you snap a 3mm tap off in it. I'd rather cut threads first, even if that means I have to carefully run a tap down the pre cut threads again at the end to clean them back up.
In the beginning days as a student fitter/machinist, our class exercises required that we write down every step in an “order of operations” document.
We were expected to write down every step in the process, even scratching your arse as you tried to work out what to do. Trivial things like going to the tool store an to get a tap or spanner were included.
It was a tough regime but it taught me valuable lessons!!
Stavros
Same here, always write down then check before switching the machine on.
This video could be dangerous as a drinking game, like every time Quinn says "Order of Operations" you drink, people could end in the hospital! Hahahha
I liked the special VFX used in this episode, so real!
I thought the same thing about “concentricity” Haha
Drill sounds, drill sounds, drill sounds 😉
Drinking and lathing, what could possibly go wrong? 🤣
I'm convinced the only thing you cant make is a bad video. Thank you!
A good recounting of the rules of thumb so to speak. I will just add that the bigger the project the more the notebook is needed, right up to solid works or autocad. Don't skimp on pencil time.
I really like the bellows on the front of the carriage. Great work as always Quinn.
Saturday morning, a good cup of coffee, and blondihacks, what could be better? 😊😊😊
This channel just went to pole position in my ranking for education. Thanks!
Awsome special effects!
Quinn, thank you for all of the videos that you've done. I am no means a proffessional machinist, I started when I was about 8 or 9 yo. on a jewlwers lathe my dad had picked up, without a motor, so I was cuttinc brass shell casings literally by hand, anyway, you have taught & shown me many little tricks that make life a whole lot easier, THANK YOU
This is a valuable resource for anyone involved in the discourse community imparted with a touch of appreciated humour. 😎
Congratulations for your work and your perseverance, I started making metal objects for furniture and I can say that from the project to the work and then the video editing I "lose" days ... I hope to make a job of it 😁 these videos deserve with all the work behind it 💪
you do good jobs, but you have to be consistent, for now you are very good💥
@@sharon543 thanks
Forgive me, but the machinist's knowledge you impart here is priceless. Now, for us wee mortals what have only R8 Collets... please speak to R8 Collet blocks.
wait, the drill noises were added in post? couldn't tell, great work
I was going to make a similar comment. With special effects this good clearly she should be changing careers away from professional hobby machinist on RUclips.
@ Quinn: From one geek to another, thank you for reverse engineering some complex choices many of us learn the hard way.
Excellent presentation as always! Greetings from the Caribbean (Trinidad)
Loved the MIB reference at 18:19!
This was a very thoughtful, thought-provoking video. Order of operations is such a tricky thing in so many fields.
For sure. I'm teaching myself how to sew, and choosing what gets done, when, makes a big difference.
Quinn, you make really good videos. Thanks for sharing them.
Great video! Probably YEARS from having any kind of machine shop, but it’s a good lesson in thinking about generic order of operation
The alignment between the flats and the tommy bar is flawless !
So nice to hear a professional talk about their passion. Great video!
Thanks Quinn! Finally got off my arse and made a new chuck key for my Enco. Woohoo, no more smacking my knuckles on the headstock.
Having screwed up "order-of-ops" so many times, I now write them down, before I start.
Thanks for a good video.
Thinking about it. - This could be your best video yet!
Yea, I just built a handle for the cross slide knob or wheel. And not thinking, I put a tapper on it before doing other operations. Not a good idea ! But it finally got done dispite my lack of planning and now it's working and spinning and so so much better.
I really enjoy your channel. I love your wit and of course, the instruction is first class. I find myself laughing AND learning which isn't easy to pull off. Thank you
Thanks Quinn , this applies to my wood turnings too .
Process of operations.
You do a great job, keep making parts because parts is parts.
Thanks Ms Queenie. That will help my learning process.
Thanks for another informative video. A big plus in the new key, is that it’s longer.
That looks like a nice chuck key. And the thourghts on order of operations is very useful. I have on more than one occassion jumped into a project, starting doing things, and then found that "Ah, now I've not a tapered part, that I can't hold in the chuck" or similar things.
Yay! It's Blondihacks time!!
That makes sense!
Well done as usual.
Thanks, and Meow to Sprocket.
Great teaching !! Order of Operations is very important . Thank you for your videos !!
18:12 - apron action. “Good apron action”. LoL 😄
Great rundown, thanks for teaching us.
Great video Quinn! Experience (as you say) plays a big part in getting the order of operation right, but these videos also help a lot. I'm starting to think a head more now. In some projects I have deliberately left stock longer all the way through the project because I know that I will need to hold it in one of the final processes.
I like how you used this project as an opportunity to use the word pedagogical... Very nice
Insightful and unique vid for your channel- and - I really enjoyed it. I always like to get in the makers head a little and hear what your thinking about while you’re doing what you do. I wouldn’t mind a few more of this style vid moving forward. In a former Air Force life I was a jet engine troop working F-15’s in phase dock where we’d do scheduled inspections with many other specialties working the jet. We always had to plan and schedule who and when for a smooth order of operation for testing and NDI etc. Lots of moving parts. Thanks for your unique and enjoyable videos. You’re one of my favs.
Jim in Delaware.
Excellent video. Missed you at Summer Bash. Really wanted to shake your hand and personally thank you for what you do. Maybe next year?
Fantastic video explaining order of operations
Quinn, you are my spirit animal! Your projects are truly inspirational, and it's your fault that I have a lathe and a mill in my basement! :)
Well, this video came at the right time; Just made 8 very concentric studs in the 4 jaw chuck, only to realize I didnt make the boss on the front of each one 🤦♂️
My day job was planning engineer for large civil engineering projects. Its no different when its small. I write down the activities in order and visualise each process before starting. Ime doing an IC cylinder head and its all about reference surfaces and order of process. Too many hours invested in it to mess up at the final cut.
Love that intro... And the Hollywood cgi too!
It's official... this video has discouraged me from wanting a lathe of my own!
That's a sweet looking chuck key! You should add a knurled section. Thanks for the video!
Order of operation would really help a lot when you are doing CNC stuff. Those CAM software are basically a fancy note just like shown in the video that can also calculate machining time!
Nice. FYI Surgeons (old and good ones) use the notebook to get through our operations also.
Very interesting!
Great job blondie as usual, luv your work .
Quinn, Great tips, Thanks.
"drill noises, drill noises, drill noises" would make a great ringtone. :D
I’m glad you made the software development reference at the end (my professional field). Also, will you be refilming the opening “credits” to feature aproning of the new chuck key?
My nerdy senses are tingling ❤️
nice way to explain things al depends on skill set and equipment
I would have done some things differently but I have worked in the metal industry for years great vidio
That was an excellent film, thank you. Very useful. And I liked the little software analogy. Is there a 'proper' way to deburr/chamfer cross holes drilled in round bars. It's something I have always found tricky.
Put the old chuck key in the scrap metal drawer, there`s bound to be something in the future you will use it on.
I would suggect cutting it down to a short length and putting a hex on the opposite end. Then it can be chucked into a cordless drill for a power chuck upgrade.
I see what you did there, good job. Love your channel!!
Great video, thanks for sharing.
Now all you need to do is convince Uri Tuchman to engrave delicate scrollwork along the barrel of the key. For functionality.
2:27 Good to know that Quinn is getting her vitamin C
Order of operation, not many videos about that on RUclips. It's a think I think most people struggle with. Obviously sitting here watching the videos people produce makes it impractical to gages ovo (Orientation Vectors Operation) that people are taking and there considerations if any. Though most are just hobbiests that do it for fun or a bit of side money. And there parts have 0 for thought of such. Thought I do like the Machining and Radiation channel. There's a lot more thought about ovo in his scrap than I do of my own part. 😆 tangent... this is a great video on Order of operations.
Great job. nicely done
By Order of the Peaky Blinders, sorry by Order of the Quinn.
Excellent tutorial as always 👌.
Thanks for sharing.
This was just an experiment to see how many times Quinn could say “Order of Operations” and still keep us watching.
Another very nicely debugged video and a very nice tool.
At 7:55 I'm confused. Could Quinn (or somebody else) define "planar concentricity" and "axial concentricity"? I assume that these are colloquialisms that I don't understand. It's my understanding of GD&T that:
* 'Concentricity' is a measure of the deviation between centre points of two cylinders, with the datum being the centre point of the plane orthogonal to a cylindrical face. It is "radial symmetry".
* 'Coaxiality' is a measure of the deviation between the central axes of two cylinders. The datum is a cylindrical face.
Sidebar:
* If the datum is an axis, you're specifying 'run-out'. 'Total Indicated Runout (TIR)' is a cheaper tolerance to hit for a functional rotating part (shafts etc.)
* Let's ignore 'Cylindricity' and 'Circularity'!
Re: the comment policy, I'm not trying to be mean or "mansplain" here, I'm just a confused hobby machinist.
Oh yeah, good apron action right there.....HA! Love it!
You're AWESOME ! And you crack me up !
Love your channel!
Could not but notice how well your small-ish machine parted steel. Have you modified your lathe in any way to increase its rigidity?
Quinn ,I have said this before But you do nice work , And i enjoy every one of your videos
Oh man, "pedagogical framework". That's a good term. I'm gonna have to use that for something.
Thanks Blondi
Other disciplines have methods for optimization, surely cad/cam setups can compute the order of operations for optimization of a given design with respect to time, tool wear, power requirements, concentricity, tolerance, etc. Perhaps there is even a cute little algebra with it's own symbols and notations. Reverse Polish notation or Ukrainian farm girl notation? 17:30
I'd guess it's one of those things where correctly specifying all requirements is essentially just as difficult as solving the thing.
Hi. Thanks for sharing your insight. I enjoy watching your channel. Just a quick question. What wouldn’t you just press fit the tommy bar instead of using a set screw? I have a 9” Southbend that needs a chuck key. Thx!
Did you drill the hole for the t handle in alignment with the flats you milled I know it dosen't matter but otherwise it looks funny