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Aegwynn is living or unliving proof that not being a parent for your kid, is bad for the way they grow up. 😆 She left for some Milk and never came back or what? 🤣 To get some Dragonbooty? 😏 She did return with a Dragon in hoe... eh I mean, in toe. 😎
we noticed that R for revenue switceroo, and we do not judge many thanks for the videos mate Though I _do_ wish you wouln't use Ai voices. Ai kinda screws over the great voice actors whom the voices were taken from, and sentence mixing and limited speech is funnier anyways. I think your videos are better without them /:
First I agree second: As someone who hates loud music Medivh was at least nice enough to host his party in a place now sane person lives see he’s not evil
How can you not mention, that Moroes was wearing blinders all the time, because the tower wasn´t just filled with spirits, but you could run into visions of the past and future all the time and he didn´t want to be distracted by them during his work. One of my favorite fun facts in warcraft lore.
Man's dedicated to his work ahah. I thought you were gonna say it was because the spirits were driving him mad or something but no... just distracting xD
@@williamjeanrie8524 lets be honest with the sheer force of will that moroes had, if he knew magic he could easily had been a new guardian instead of kadgar
@@winnieelegante6901 unnamed orc doesnt show ingame, it's from a book. Thrall was a teenager orc training surrounded by blackmoore guards, it was like 4v1..he was still a kid. Meanwhile the guards are moving an orc prisioner to another cell in durnholde, chained and such.. when he pass near Thrall all what he see is a young orc getting a beating from humans so the unnamed orc goes into a berserker rage, breaking his chains and running straight to the guards who were beating Thrall.. with his bare hands he knocked a couple of guards and gets closer to Thrall yelling at him in orcish (which Thrall didnt understood at that stage of his age) - the unnamed orc keeps fighting the guards and keep yelling to Thrall those exact same words, but the guards at durnholde keep overpower the unnamed unnamed orc and kills him right infront of Thrall. Years later, when Thrall escape durnholde, he was in the outskirst of the keep with grom hellscream and asked him why an adult orc wanted to kill him years back, and he told grom the exact same orcish words in which grom said: he didnt wanted to kill You Thrall.. he was telling You "run! I Will protect You!" RUclipsr krucial has a short vídeo about this, just search unnamed orc krucial.. he does a better job explaining it
@@The4Dev nobody liked Shadowlands, maybe the last patch when every thing was "somewhat" fixed, it was still boring tho, 8.3 was amazing fun tho if you stayed on top of it, we were never more powerful, every spec had an insane range of corruption setups you could do
@@nolabets3130 I HATED BfA but I did come back for 8.3.. Grinded out my corruptions and even got CE N'zoth, it was fun. It's a shame the backdrop was BfA though. Class design was still pretty shit, but we were powerful. Stacking vers on resto druid made you basically a tank. Was great for m+.
I love the shot at 7:00 of the Trolls waltzing through Stormwind between the statues of the heroes of the 2nd war years before the 1st war even begun 🤣
@@kubicekmat It's kind of hard to tell since there's only a few clear seconds, but I THINK it's this, as it's one of my favorites too: ruclips.net/video/XSgyKmcFrYc/видео.html
Medivh also gave Wrathion a long talk too and the two are seen together chilling in the Caverns of Time. The last past isn't really canon but it's something at least.
@@DIEGhostfish He's just mixing the TLG lore with the Chronicles lore, blizz themselves can't get aegwynn down straight, don't expect platinum to figure it out for them
Hey guys, I found out that Medivh had a theatre custom-built within the walls of Karazhan. The troupe performed one of Three shows for him each week. It was never the one he wanted to see. Fs in chat for Medivh.
Wouldn't this actually be his mother's fault? Isn't her hubris and break from protocol regarding the powers of the guardian more to blame? So sure of herself, that she believed she really defeated Sargeras and allowed Azeroth's most powerful weapon to become corrupted. Everything Medivh did wrong, was a consequence of his mother.
Woman or man, no human could take on Sargeras and win. You always need a team of players. 🤣 And some other titans to put a tractor beam on his ass and drag how him back home.
Medivh is my all time favorite character and this explains it beautifully ( also the fact that aegwyn fell in love with nielas was a retcon .. initialy she chose him for his potential as he was a great mage and basically used him to gain a chilld that would gain her powers just to spite the kirin'tor as they would get no say in this ... aegwyn herself is a great character to )
she is cool, but her arrogance really doomed Azeroth, it wasnt really Medivh's fault. This video doesnt talk about this, but Medivh fought Sargeras influence as long as he could, even doe he didnt fully realise what was going on. When Medivh fell in coma at the age of 14, that was the last time he trully was himself. When he woke up 10 years later Sargeras was already manipulating him.
@@localhobo5362 I would say that when she found the avatar of Sargeras, she was confident in her abilities. He allowed himself to be beaten in order to manipulate ever so slightly. That confidence became arrogance. He didn't need to take over, just a nudge here and there were more than enough especially in the time span he had with her. He learned from the Void Lords and Old Gods that whispers at the right time are insidious.
Just a small note: Khadgar would canonically be somewhere in his mid to late 50s right now. He was 17-19 in the Last Guardian and assuming that took place in 0 ADP with the current year being 40 that places him somewhere between 57-60 depending on when the book takes place chronologically.
@@elunaxaltIt was alongside them using a near random WC3 model, from WoD onward it was him able to counteract the curse somewhat, making him simply look his age at that point.
Medivh is back, he’s briefly mentioned by Khadgar in DF to be hanging out in Karazhan. He, or his Shade, makes an appearance in the Anniversary event also. So Medivh is around, just chilling until Blizz needs him I guess.
I think Medivh did pretty good for literally having Sargeras the biggest bad we ever knew for a while in him at birth and in a way he has put us on a path to prepare for most of the major problems that shaped our world (of warcraft).
Best as I can recall, didn't Medivh's conception come from the fact that Aegwynn just chose Aran more out of thinking he was decent enough to give her a powerful child rather than the two having any sort of loving bond?
@@Jhazkrit it's really sad if you think about it, for myself I was a big nerd for warcraft lore and played warcraft 2, 3/TFT and WoW a lot but as time goes on the lore got messed up and retconed besides the initially plot holes and lost character story's, now I look at the wow lore and feel just sad and empty about it about all that potential that is lost, it feels so washed out and twisted now.
@@Jhazkrit Oh yeah, I'm gonna be totally honest when I say I forget they do that :P Granted, what happened with the whole of SLs was one thing, but I didn't think they would have gone that far back to change little things like that.
Also "The Last Guardian" by Jeff Grubb gives a very good account of Khadgar's short-lived apprenticeship, and is overall one of the best Warcraft novels. And the Karazhan expansion in Hearthstone was a fun time, complete with much partying. Fun fact: the Maiden of Virtue was sent to Karazhan to stop Medivh's excessive partying. And as of now, he is just kinda hanging out in Karazhan for the time being. We know from this from the Exploring the Eastern Kingdoms book, but then again...it's an outside source.
THe whole excessive partying thing seemed a rather big retcon of The Last Guardian. I'd assumed when Karazhan came out that Medivh at best kinda tolerated these people trying to throw parties for his benefit in his own house because he felt eh had to and then finally sent them all away.
Until WoW appeared, by the end of RoC the most important heroes and villains of both wars were gone: Khadgar, Lothar, Durotan, Doomhammer, Blackhand, Gul'dan etc. and finally those who died recently like Uther or Grom, to give a rise to a new generation of heroes and villains (like Thrall, Jaina and Arthas). But it had to be showed by the very man, who started all this mess, was believed to be long-dead and who finally would close the final chapter of Azeroth's war against the enemy responsible for all misery during in 3 chapters - demonic Burning Legion (until the TFT and WoW series).
I like the idea of this all-powerful hermit wizard only interacting with his fellow man through throwing massive parties that eventually result in everyone’s death. Dude likes to have a good time
Honestly, I don't think Medivh was evil at all. I'm pretty sure Medivh and Sargeras were both fighting over control of the body, making it a literal battle of minds. Medivh didn't have enough control to outright stop or sabotage Sargeras, so instead he had to think several moves ahead (like a chess game, get it?). And eventually it did work. First he let the orcs in, then he removed Sargeras (and himself) from the board, ensuring their eventual defeat after the races of the eastern kingdoms had no choice but to band together for once, preparing them for an eventual burning legion incursion. Meanwhile the orcs fell apart due to bad leadership and infighting, but they too would be needed to fight the burning legion. Finally Medivh's spirit, freed from Sargeras contacted his mother and got her to resurrect him, after which he lead Jaina and Thrall to Kalimdor to stop the invasion because again HE KNEW THE PLAN. Also it stands to reason Medivh knew exactly why Sargeras went so crazy trying to destroy Azeroth, so we'll probably see both of them again eventually.
You are right, Meivh did nothing wrong, his chess thingy against Sargeras is a retcon I think. First of all he didnt even know that his mother trasfered Guardian power into him, and first time he manifested his powers at the age of 14 Sargeras put him into coma. He fell into coma not because of powers but because of Sargeras, after that Demon spent 10 years establishing control over Medivh. So when dude did wake up he was a puppet already. He legit had no chance, he was a kid against of the most power Demon ever. And frankly he had only 14 years of trully his life, rest was under Sargeras control or being spirit thingy or whatever he is now.
Finally someone capable of thinking. There's no way a 100% controlled Medivh would've been able to force Malfurion and Tyrande to join Thrall and Jaina. What's people gonna pretend now? That because Medivh's body died, Sargeras had no control over his soul? So it was Sargeras that created the united front that defeated Archimonde and delayed his plans? Please. We know Odyn can intercept souls leaving for the Shadowlands, Sargeras dealt with the Twisting Nether demons on a daily basis back on the day, there simply isn't a scenario in which Sargeras is less knowledgeable than Odyn, so it's clear Medivh was just better at planning and pretending. Even the fact that he was killed by Khadgar, Garona and Lothar, of which only Khadgar is more than a normal person, but just an apprentice at that point, is testimony to Sargeras not being fully in control, but simply led to believe so. Two very important things align with the time of Medivh's death to be a coincidence. The beginning of Stormwind's downfall, which led to the creation of the Great Alliance in the north, and Gul'dan falling into a coma, which allowed Doomhammer to defy and defeat Blackhand. Logically speaking, it's almost done on purpose, releasing the Horde of its leash and pushing humans to the north and force elves, dwarves and gnomes to join up with them. Besides that, he went to wander around as a soul, investigating the Legion further, so much so he was able to orchestrate the events of Reign of Chaos and part of WoW, leading to not only one, but two defeats for the Legion. Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden must've hated this guy. And they only hate those better than them, as events have proven.
I can't believe I'm just now discovering your channel. That was one of the funniest, most informative and best told Warcraft lore videos I've ever seen. Looking forward to checking out more. Very well done.
A new karazhan dungeon idea: a group of goblins wants to buy/take the tower and make a new party/mall center, but a group of mages and schoolars want to preserve the place as a historical place You must pick a side and help them out
Yo hold up. Are you telling me that an ambush party of trolls were effortlessly, *accidentally* defeated by a 6 year old? Fuck Azeroth, Warcraft's trolls are the biggest losers in fiction, period.
I need more deep dive storytelling of the lore! Pretty much all lore videos are confusing and they go too fast but this was phenomenal. It’s like if someone was reading the wiki to me but way more captivating. I want to learn more about mages and their lore. Like Antonidas and Aluneth (the staff) and Khadgar and the Kirin Tor!
The party section was perfect XD . thank u platinum again for telling the story. I did not play warcraft 1 and 2 and I just read the first 4 books. from rise of the horde to beyond the dark portal and those books were great and I love them all.
He's alive. I think whenever we get to see the first ones or the other zereths (as we know that there are at least 5 more and uldaman updated lore already told us about zereth ordus) he'll make his appearance
I actually really like how he hasn't done anything since WC3. He helped the armies of Azeroth save the day, repenting for his actions in causing the First War, and then he quietly slipped into the shadows, never to be seen again. His appearance in Legion feels like it's just a confirmation that he's still out there, presumably living happily on a farm somewhere.
To add to the insanity, Medivh not only killed Moroes but also some old lady who did the cooking (and who knows how many more) in such a gruesome way that Garona, an assasin, went pale from seeing what was left of the body.
4:05 I recalled from reading the book (yes, I actually bought the thing back then) that she didn't really love Nielas and just wanted his *ahem* seed so that she could pass on the powers of a guardian under her own terms i.e. her son.
Imagine the first warcraft film would've shown the story of Aegwynn, how she fought the avartar etc. Man. the warcraft lore is so deep and interesting and in the movie they only showed a very tiny part of it - and in a really poor way aswell. So much potential wasted.
Ive played since wc1, and I remember that epic first encounter with medivh 😂 Seriously tho, this is the first time I've ever understood this character, well done and thanks from a longtime warcrafter
The movie really made a sense explaining the lore for me, and probably for 80% of the Warcraft community, and also did take out those weird "mistakes" like Med'an and the development of Garona, in the end Loth'ar and Kadghar are the ones who killed him and tied the story right to Warcraft 2 and 3.
So, the reason we had the First War was because Medivh's mom got cocky, got corrupted, passed that corruption to her son and the left him to be raised by his father? Now that is a certified woman moment Very based, Blizzard
Medivh is not a simple villain... he is a super villain... the difference is ... PRESENTATION ... starts sound : ParacroW - Back To Karazhan | REMIX * , awesome video
Theres a part in the Last Guardian book where Khadgar goes into Medivhs room when is sleeping and sees a shadowy figure (Sargeras) stood watching over Medivh. Ive always thought that was pretty cool.
Medivh did nothing wrong. This is all Aegwynn’s fault. It’s hard to fault someone who had a literal godlike being twisting his mind since he was an infant. Sarg was forced on him by his own MOTHER. Do not blame the child for the sins of the parents.
God damn this video for having this Back To Karazhan remix, I cannot get enough of how amazingly good of a remix that is. I will never see Karazhan the same way again after that rave set he put in this video. Thanks.
Aegwynn has been retconned so much. I liked the original version where she didnt fall in love with neilas aran, and instead, seduced him and used him. Gave her more of an identity.
I don't necessarily mind the idea that she might have had SOME tiny feeling for him. Also Medivh himself got a lot of retcons. Karazhan added the parties element that hadn't seemed all that present in the novel. And Chronicle decided "Khadgar was suspiscious why the Kirin Tor wanted to spy on Medivh because Medivh had no public feats" was getting thrown right out, because they had him 1v1 Hakkar at the gates of Stormwind. Kinda shitting on the whole mystery vibe of The Last Guardian.
@@Blundabus1337 Oh no they Bronze never argued it was intentional just that the Orcs being there was needed to ensure the Legion's next attack would fail. Because they united the human kingdoms, and eventually turned against the Demons themselves. No Orcs, no Alliance, no victory against the Legion at Hyjal. At least that's what the Bronze flight told us. But Thrall:Twilight of the Aspects gives a different reason that could be more relevant and make the Bronze flight's original explanation a little white lie. *ANY* break from the "Correct" timeline creates a doomed offshoot that will simply "Run out of time" if not anchored to the main timeline in some way (Their excuse for how the WoD timeline decayed so slowly by comparison was that the mirror shards kept it anchored) so even if the Orcs weren't necessary to beat the legion they were necessary to avoid "Going off script" and an end even worse than the Legion's victory.
@@DIEGhostfish No Im saying, in the black morass raid, medivh was clearly trying to destroy azeroth. They then retconned it to him thinking the orcs will save it... which he couldnt have known... its dumb
Your videos are amazing. Even after I quit playing wow I still come back to them. Have you ever thought about covering lore for other games? I imagine doing a video on riots lore would be a smooth transition.
The Medivh you see in the raid is just an echo a magic imprint like the dragon you see before the Nightbane fight. Medivh is actually alive he appears to Thrall when he was lost in the timeways to help Thrall find Nozdormu. We see him in a physical form later in Legion which shocked Khadgar who couldn't believe he was alive.
You did the same mistake the movie did when talking about how Gul'dan opened the portal: he didn't use the souls of "countless draenei" but the soul of a single draenei child.
Fun fact. There is a custom campaign for Warcraft 3 called "The Last Guardian" based off the book with the same name and it's one of the best customs out there in my honest opinion. It's more of an rpg mixed with fixed cameras and puzzles / riddels like in Resident evil. Def. worth playing for any fan. 😊
Why'd they get rid of Sargearas. I feel like Blizzard kinda shot themselves in the foot doing that. Definitely more compelling as a villain than N'Zoth, the Jailer and so on. They easily could've gotten two xpacs back to back outta the Burning Crusade has always been my opinion tho.
few things you got wrong, gul'dan sacrificed only a single innocent soul to open the portal. Blackhand was the warchief of the horde at the time, and unwitting puppet of gu'ldan. also you didnt mention that garona was brainwashed by gul'dan and magically aged. the thing you got the most right, Gul'dan is a cartoon villain! awesome video.
Medivh is my favorite character. An Eccentric magic noble who turns up spouts some cryptic nonsense then turns into a bird and flies off before hes asked to pay taxes.
In the books I used to listen to while driving, Argwynn used Nielas because she thought he was a more powerful mage than most. She wanted to have a child to pass her mantel onto, but didn't want it to be with just anyone. In the end, she didn't want to have a relationship with Nielas and wouldn't even stay for breakfast he made for her, thinking there was a profound bond between the two of them now.
8:20-If Medivh's parents didn't place all of the Guardian responsibility onto him, he could have been the first DJ of Azeroth, and possibly open up the first ever Night Club.
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Aegwynn is living or unliving proof that not being a parent for your kid, is bad for the way they grow up. 😆
She left for some Milk and never came back or what? 🤣
To get some Dragonbooty? 😏
She did return with a Dragon in hoe... eh I mean, in toe. 😎
we noticed that R for revenue switceroo, and we do not judge
many thanks for the videos mate
Though I _do_ wish you wouln't use Ai voices.
Ai kinda screws over the great voice actors whom the voices were taken from, and sentence mixing and limited speech is funnier anyways. I think your videos are better without them /:
0:45 I liked it.
Imagining calling the warcraft movie shit and proceding to do a Raid Shadowlegends promo.
sorry platiunium. i HATE raid. game is so p2w
I am 100% convinced that the party scene in Karazhan was the basis of making this whole video.
Karazhan party was a base for a whole expansion (for hearthstone), it is a very powerful theme
First I agree second: As someone who hates loud music Medivh was at least nice enough to host his party in a place now sane person lives see he’s not evil
that party scene went hard
...Well...
One of the best xpacs imo
Holy shit the fact that Medivh was born..as a BABY was a complete plot twist, i never knew that, good info as always!
Actually, he was born as a Sargeras.
i thought platinum WoW made it clear, he was born A BABY
"I was born at a young age, and grew with age." - Mr. Kizuki, Fate Abridged
A baby with a full beard no less
@@LuciusC Didn't you know that a true alpha just does & it happens. Medivh is obviously a megachad
Platinum WoW single handedly did what Blizzard promised us more than a decade ago : NEW DANCES !!
I would totally go to a party at Karazhan with Medivh DJing.
AYO ik you B)
@@shippoblast 🐀 gang
how did he even do that
God I want a headbanging Tauren
How can you not mention, that Moroes was wearing blinders all the time, because the tower wasn´t just filled with spirits, but you could run into visions of the past and future all the time and he didn´t want to be distracted by them during his work. One of my favorite fun facts in warcraft lore.
Man's dedicated to his work ahah. I thought you were gonna say it was because the spirits were driving him mad or something but no... just distracting xD
@@williamjeanrie8524 lets be honest with the sheer force of will that moroes had, if he knew magic he could easily had been a new guardian instead of kadgar
Moroes is so cool
Medivh has one of the coolest and saddest stories in wow he just wanted to protect his home yet he was destined to fail before he was even born
Just like arthas
@@teuska351 And post chronicle Sargeras, and The Jailer..
None of these compares to the unnamed orc who gave his Life for Thrall in Arathi basin. That shit was sad
@@Nighttimeqt1 which one was it?
@@winnieelegante6901 unnamed orc doesnt show ingame, it's from a book. Thrall was a teenager orc training surrounded by blackmoore guards, it was like 4v1..he was still a kid. Meanwhile the guards are moving an orc prisioner to another cell in durnholde, chained and such.. when he pass near Thrall all what he see is a young orc getting a beating from humans so the unnamed orc goes into a berserker rage, breaking his chains and running straight to the guards who were beating Thrall.. with his bare hands he knocked a couple of guards and gets closer to Thrall yelling at him in orcish (which Thrall didnt understood at that stage of his age) - the unnamed orc keeps fighting the guards and keep yelling to Thrall those exact same words, but the guards at durnholde keep overpower the unnamed unnamed orc and kills him right infront of Thrall. Years later, when Thrall escape durnholde, he was in the outskirst of the keep with grom hellscream and asked him why an adult orc wanted to kill him years back, and he told grom the exact same orcish words in which grom said: he didnt wanted to kill You Thrall.. he was telling You "run! I Will protect You!"
RUclipsr krucial has a short vídeo about this, just search unnamed orc krucial.. he does a better job explaining it
The downside of new platinumwow videos is the withdrawal symptoms waiting for next new one
You think he s focused on the IRL grind? I mean he s like 24 or something. Little baby ahah, yea (I am 26 :) aka 25+=man)
- Guldan: arrives with the Horde
- Medivh: "Dance, Boogie Wonderland, heyhey"
He doomed the Warcraft universe by secretly creating the borrowed power system
Tbf he didn't do it, he was a byproduct!
never had more fun in wow than with corruption and heart of azeroth
@@nolabets3130 Don't tell me you liked Shadowlands?
@@The4Dev nobody liked Shadowlands, maybe the last patch when every thing was "somewhat" fixed, it was still boring tho, 8.3 was amazing fun tho if you stayed on top of it, we were never more powerful, every spec had an insane range of corruption setups you could do
@@nolabets3130 I HATED BfA but I did come back for 8.3.. Grinded out my corruptions and even got CE N'zoth, it was fun. It's a shame the backdrop was BfA though.
Class design was still pretty shit, but we were powerful. Stacking vers on resto druid made you basically a tank. Was great for m+.
I love the shot at 7:00 of the Trolls waltzing through Stormwind between the statues of the heroes of the 2nd war years before the 1st war even begun 🤣
Nice catch! 👏.
Do you know name of the music from this part? I love and i cannot find it
@@kubicekmat It's kind of hard to tell since there's only a few clear seconds, but I THINK it's this, as it's one of my favorites too:
ruclips.net/video/XSgyKmcFrYc/видео.html
Medivh also gave Wrathion a long talk too and the two are seen together chilling in the Caverns of Time. The last past isn't really canon but it's something at least.
Oh my gosh, this mad lad made an entire lore video just to share with us these sick melodies of Karazhan mixes.
I feel like there should be a separate story on how Aegwynn, as a human managed to live for over 1000 years.
Arcane Magics, simple as that
Wasn't it already established by the high elves who's very lives relied on mana?
He gets a lotnwrong about her by misunderstanding what was meant by "playing politics" within thr Tirisfallen.
@@DIEGhostfish He's just mixing the TLG lore with the Chronicles lore, blizz themselves can't get aegwynn down straight, don't expect platinum to figure it out for them
By sheer force of will
Hey guys, I found out that Medivh had a theatre custom-built within the walls of Karazhan. The troupe performed one of Three shows for him each week. It was never the one he wanted to see. Fs in chat for Medivh.
The mixture between good animations, storytelling and humor makes your videos so entertaining!
Wouldn't this actually be his mother's fault? Isn't her hubris and break from protocol regarding the powers of the guardian more to blame? So sure of herself, that she believed she really defeated Sargeras and allowed Azeroth's most powerful weapon to become corrupted. Everything Medivh did wrong, was a consequence of his mother.
I would argue that it’s all Sargeras’s fault really.
Shhh always remember, women are blameless.
100% Aegwynns fault.
Woman or man, no human could take on Sargeras and win. You always need a team of players. 🤣 And some other titans to put a tractor beam on his ass and drag how him back home.
They reconned her to make her always “right”.
Medivh is my all time favorite character and this explains it beautifully
( also the fact that aegwyn fell in love with nielas was a retcon .. initialy she chose him for his potential as he was a great mage and basically used him to gain a chilld that would gain her powers just to spite the kirin'tor as they would get no say in this ... aegwyn herself is a great character to )
she is cool, but her arrogance really doomed Azeroth, it wasnt really Medivh's fault. This video doesnt talk about this, but Medivh fought Sargeras influence as long as he could, even doe he didnt fully realise what was going on. When Medivh fell in coma at the age of 14, that was the last time he trully was himself. When he woke up 10 years later Sargeras was already manipulating him.
@@localhobo5362 I would say that when she found the avatar of Sargeras, she was confident in her abilities. He allowed himself to be beaten in order to manipulate ever so slightly. That confidence became arrogance. He didn't need to take over, just a nudge here and there were more than enough especially in the time span he had with her. He learned from the Void Lords and Old Gods that whispers at the right time are insidious.
Just a small note: Khadgar would canonically be somewhere in his mid to late 50s right now. He was 17-19 in the Last Guardian and assuming that took place in 0 ADP with the current year being 40 that places him somewhere between 57-60 depending on when the book takes place chronologically.
He is. He appears as an old mage in Burning Crusade.
@@ouzelswing4529 wasn't that more due to the curse Medivh put on him?
@@elunaxaltIt was alongside them using a near random WC3 model, from WoD onward it was him able to counteract the curse somewhat, making him simply look his age at that point.
Man, that battle with Medivh was epic. How come we don't get fights like that in WoW anymore?
Medivh is back, he’s briefly mentioned by Khadgar in DF to be hanging out in Karazhan. He, or his Shade, makes an appearance in the Anniversary event also. So Medivh is around, just chilling until Blizz needs him I guess.
More Platinum content and it's a lore video, hell to the yes man.
Is it just me or do I love it when the trolls come on and make the imp guy sounds and stuff just to die lol
I think Medivh did pretty good for literally having Sargeras the biggest bad we ever knew for a while in him at birth and in a way he has put us on a path to prepare for most of the major problems that shaped our world (of warcraft).
Oh I was not ready for "I am a baby, and my name is Medivh"
Best as I can recall, didn't Medivh's conception come from the fact that Aegwynn just chose Aran more out of thinking he was decent enough to give her a powerful child rather than the two having any sort of loving bond?
That's how it was originally, however that, along with a great many thing in the Warcraft universe, has been retconned.
@@Jhazkrit it's really sad if you think about it, for myself I was a big nerd for warcraft lore and played warcraft 2, 3/TFT and WoW a lot but as time goes on the lore got messed up and retconed besides the initially plot holes and lost character story's, now I look at the wow lore and feel just sad and empty about it about all that potential that is lost, it feels so washed out and twisted now.
@@Jhazkrit Oh yeah, I'm gonna be totally honest when I say I forget they do that :P Granted, what happened with the whole of SLs was one thing, but I didn't think they would have gone that far back to change little things like that.
Correct. They were never in love. She was trying to find a man suitable enough
Also "The Last Guardian" by Jeff Grubb gives a very good account of Khadgar's short-lived apprenticeship, and is overall one of the best Warcraft novels. And the Karazhan expansion in Hearthstone was a fun time, complete with much partying.
Fun fact: the Maiden of Virtue was sent to Karazhan to stop Medivh's excessive partying.
And as of now, he is just kinda hanging out in Karazhan for the time being. We know from this from the Exploring the Eastern Kingdoms book, but then again...it's an outside source.
THe whole excessive partying thing seemed a rather big retcon of The Last Guardian. I'd assumed when Karazhan came out that Medivh at best kinda tolerated these people trying to throw parties for his benefit in his own house because he felt eh had to and then finally sent them all away.
The facetime call absolutely sent me. 10/10 video as always
I loved those old novels. Tirion Fordrings was great too.
Until WoW appeared, by the end of RoC the most important heroes and villains of both wars were gone: Khadgar, Lothar, Durotan, Doomhammer, Blackhand, Gul'dan etc. and finally those who died recently like Uther or Grom, to give a rise to a new generation of heroes and villains (like Thrall, Jaina and Arthas). But it had to be showed by the very man, who started all this mess, was believed to be long-dead and who finally would close the final chapter of Azeroth's war against the enemy responsible for all misery during in 3 chapters - demonic Burning Legion (until the TFT and WoW series).
I like the idea of this all-powerful hermit wizard only interacting with his fellow man through throwing massive parties that eventually result in everyone’s death. Dude likes to have a good time
I could listen to that Karazhan party music for hours. I need it
10:33 I gotta say this is probably my favorite bit of the video, its so well shot. The music and each spellcaster reacting are so cool
This is a true "Medivh Moment".
Honestly, I don't think Medivh was evil at all. I'm pretty sure Medivh and Sargeras were both fighting over control of the body, making it a literal battle of minds. Medivh didn't have enough control to outright stop or sabotage Sargeras, so instead he had to think several moves ahead (like a chess game, get it?). And eventually it did work. First he let the orcs in, then he removed Sargeras (and himself) from the board, ensuring their eventual defeat after the races of the eastern kingdoms had no choice but to band together for once, preparing them for an eventual burning legion incursion. Meanwhile the orcs fell apart due to bad leadership and infighting, but they too would be needed to fight the burning legion. Finally Medivh's spirit, freed from Sargeras contacted his mother and got her to resurrect him, after which he lead Jaina and Thrall to Kalimdor to stop the invasion because again HE KNEW THE PLAN.
Also it stands to reason Medivh knew exactly why Sargeras went so crazy trying to destroy Azeroth, so we'll probably see both of them again eventually.
You are right, Meivh did nothing wrong, his chess thingy against Sargeras is a retcon I think. First of all he didnt even know that his mother trasfered Guardian power into him, and first time he manifested his powers at the age of 14 Sargeras put him into coma. He fell into coma not because of powers but because of Sargeras, after that Demon spent 10 years establishing control over Medivh. So when dude did wake up he was a puppet already. He legit had no chance, he was a kid against of the most power Demon ever. And frankly he had only 14 years of trully his life, rest was under Sargeras control or being spirit thingy or whatever he is now.
Finally someone capable of thinking.
There's no way a 100% controlled Medivh would've been able to force Malfurion and Tyrande to join Thrall and Jaina. What's people gonna pretend now? That because Medivh's body died, Sargeras had no control over his soul? So it was Sargeras that created the united front that defeated Archimonde and delayed his plans? Please. We know Odyn can intercept souls leaving for the Shadowlands, Sargeras dealt with the Twisting Nether demons on a daily basis back on the day, there simply isn't a scenario in which Sargeras is less knowledgeable than Odyn, so it's clear Medivh was just better at planning and pretending. Even the fact that he was killed by Khadgar, Garona and Lothar, of which only Khadgar is more than a normal person, but just an apprentice at that point, is testimony to Sargeras not being fully in control, but simply led to believe so. Two very important things align with the time of Medivh's death to be a coincidence. The beginning of Stormwind's downfall, which led to the creation of the Great Alliance in the north, and Gul'dan falling into a coma, which allowed Doomhammer to defy and defeat Blackhand. Logically speaking, it's almost done on purpose, releasing the Horde of its leash and pushing humans to the north and force elves, dwarves and gnomes to join up with them.
Besides that, he went to wander around as a soul, investigating the Legion further, so much so he was able to orchestrate the events of Reign of Chaos and part of WoW, leading to not only one, but two defeats for the Legion. Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden must've hated this guy. And they only hate those better than them, as events have proven.
The production quality & writing is way too good for a Warcraft machinima. Someone hire this guy asap
10:43
Opens the Dark Portal, refuses to elaborate and parties instead.
Medihv's party went hard lol, I loved that scene
DJ Medivh is something I never knew I needed
Bro i just wanted to thank you for this content. I just got back into retail since mist and diving back into the lore. You're the best
I can't believe I'm just now discovering your channel. That was one of the funniest, most informative and best told Warcraft lore videos I've ever seen. Looking forward to checking out more. Very well done.
A new karazhan dungeon idea: a group of goblins wants to buy/take the tower and make a new party/mall center, but a group of mages and schoolars want to preserve the place as a historical place
You must pick a side and help them out
World of Warcraft new expansion: getting karazhan up to code, the catch is it will never ends
Medivh is one of the most interesting characters in world of Warcraft and his story is just crazy. Thank you for doing a video on this guy.
Awesome Video as Always Lad!
Mediv Dancing is pure gold!
You have the best ideas for comedic moments :D thanks for the entertainment!
Awesome work! Especially on the custom animations. The dance party scenes were epic.
What a time to be alive must have been to attend medivh's parties
That medivh breakdown went harder than it should’ve 🤣🤣
These are always such high quality videos and such a joy to watch. Excellent work yet again Platinum. Looking forward to your next upload!
Medivh is really cool. Too bad we don't have great ways to find his lore. Well, until you uploaded this video that is.
Most of things he said was not accurate.
@@cyrusthegreat3299 Shhhhh, it's called creative liberties.
Read The Last Guardian. Still maybe the best WoW fiction.
read this Last Guardian book. It's really good.
Yo hold up. Are you telling me that an ambush party of trolls were effortlessly, *accidentally* defeated by a 6 year old? Fuck Azeroth, Warcraft's trolls are the biggest losers in fiction, period.
0:16
Gah!
Platinum, could you PLEASE warn me next time you jumpscare me like that!?
Medivh is so underrated as a character and Kara is cool AF.
I love all of it
I'm watching this video while sitting in a train and I couldn't hold my laughter at the party scene :D amazing
I need a 10 hour version of that Karazhan party man.
This ^^^
+1
This easily your best video edit yet. Great work lmao! Love the parties
I need more deep dive storytelling of the lore! Pretty much all lore videos are confusing and they go too fast but this was phenomenal. It’s like if someone was reading the wiki to me but way more captivating. I want to learn more about mages and their lore. Like Antonidas and Aluneth (the staff) and Khadgar and the Kirin Tor!
Soo cool, amazing work !
Thanks for using my sound !
The party section was perfect XD . thank u platinum again for telling the story. I did not play warcraft 1 and 2 and I just read the first 4 books. from rise of the horde to beyond the dark portal and those books were great and I love them all.
dude, amazing quality and storytelling :D the party just made my day :D
Dude you put so much work into this. Kudos. Loved the content.
I must say, the Kharazan party music from Hearthstone is straight up fire and likely the best blizz has done
I want to know who made the remix and where to find it
@@AlexeyFilippenkoPlummet ruclips.net/video/YhO08gxT0zs/видео.html
He put the name at the end when he shows the patreon supporters :)
Honestly I think WoW should do more with Medivh. He's not exactly dead you know.
Worse: He is Irrelevant
He's on the cosmic shelf, the next time we go to hte cosmos, he'll be there.
Well he died. Was resurrected then died again (phased to spirit world or something? What about shadowlands? Small indie company things)
He's alive. I think whenever we get to see the first ones or the other zereths (as we know that there are at least 5 more and uldaman updated lore already told us about zereth ordus) he'll make his appearance
I actually really like how he hasn't done anything since WC3. He helped the armies of Azeroth save the day, repenting for his actions in causing the First War, and then he quietly slipped into the shadows, never to be seen again. His appearance in Legion feels like it's just a confirmation that he's still out there, presumably living happily on a farm somewhere.
To add to the insanity, Medivh not only killed Moroes but also some old lady who did the cooking (and who knows how many more) in such a gruesome way that Garona, an assasin, went pale from seeing what was left of the body.
An assassin for a coven of warlocks (And a retconned shadow priest)
BEST. VIDEO. YET! Holy crap I thought I knew everything about Medivh before this video but I didn't know ANYTHING! Good work as always Plattyboi!
4:05 I recalled from reading the book (yes, I actually bought the thing back then) that she didn't really love Nielas and just wanted his *ahem* seed so that she could pass on the powers of a guardian under her own terms i.e. her son.
Your content is so good, that despite my instincts and cries of pain, I don't skip past the ad.
"Medivh was born a baby"
And that's why he's special
0:44 movie was great
Yes
"Medivh was born a baby." Funniest fucking line. This whole video was one of your most entertaining. Great work!
I had no fucking idea One Night in Karazhan was based on actual lore lmao
19:49 Having played hearthstone on/off for years now, this last note makes me appreciate the dlc adventure capturing the party
Imagine the first warcraft film would've shown the story of Aegwynn, how she fought the avartar etc.
Man. the warcraft lore is so deep and interesting and in the movie they only showed a very tiny part of it - and in a really poor way aswell. So much potential wasted.
And also factually incorrect at several major points
It's really not deep, its just warhammer lol
@@WitheringZealot that's a slippery slope
@@malachistice8111 WoW is a spawn of warhammer i can give you the data on it if you want it.
@@WitheringZealot ah you are just ignorant to the term 'slippery slope'
Look that up first, then get back to me
How often do you think about Medivh’s dance party? Every damn day.
If Blizz ever tries to make another Torghast like feature, Karazhan would be a pretty dope Setting. Just dont tie it to player power again
Dude you're so good at making these scenes lmao. Extremely good content.
i want a long direct version from the medivh party xD
Mediv is the first character we see in Warcraft 3, so I'm very fond of him and his sweet ass boss.
Ive played since wc1, and I remember that epic first encounter with medivh 😂
Seriously tho, this is the first time I've ever understood this character, well done and thanks from a longtime warcrafter
Sir. Thank you, I was about to start eating dinner without anything to watch for my enjoyment but here you are, right on time.
The movie really made a sense explaining the lore for me, and probably for 80% of the Warcraft community, and also did take out those weird "mistakes" like Med'an and the development of Garona, in the end Loth'ar and Kadghar are the ones who killed him and tied the story right to Warcraft 2 and 3.
I've been a Medivh lore sucker for almost 20 years now. Good to see a solid video from a solid creator on him.
So, the reason we had the First War was because Medivh's mom got cocky, got corrupted, passed that corruption to her son and the left him to be raised by his father?
Now that is a certified woman moment
Very based, Blizzard
4:18 that is the most cursed image I've ever seen. Thanks for future nightmares, Platinum.
Amazing work as usual! 😍
Your editing, creativity and storytelling is masterful. Great job! Glad I finally saw this.
Medivh is not a simple villain... he is a super villain... the difference is ... PRESENTATION ... starts sound : ParacroW - Back To Karazhan | REMIX * , awesome video
Thanks for the name lol, the song is fire
Theres a part in the Last Guardian book where Khadgar goes into Medivhs room when is sleeping and sees a shadowy figure (Sargeras) stood watching over Medivh. Ive always thought that was pretty cool.
Medivh did nothing wrong.
This is all Aegwynn’s fault. It’s hard to fault someone who had a literal godlike being twisting his mind since he was an infant. Sarg was forced on him by his own MOTHER.
Do not blame the child for the sins of the parents.
What sins, she didn't know she contained Sargeras spirit.
She didn't knew Sargeras' spirit was inside her, so it wasn't her fault either. The fault lies exclusively on Sargeras.
God damn this video for having this Back To Karazhan remix, I cannot get enough of how amazingly good of a remix that is.
I will never see Karazhan the same way again after that rave set he put in this video. Thanks.
Aegwynn has been retconned so much.
I liked the original version where she didnt fall in love with neilas aran, and instead, seduced him and used him. Gave her more of an identity.
I don't necessarily mind the idea that she might have had SOME tiny feeling for him. Also Medivh himself got a lot of retcons. Karazhan added the parties element that hadn't seemed all that present in the novel. And Chronicle decided "Khadgar was suspiscious why the Kirin Tor wanted to spy on Medivh because Medivh had no public feats" was getting thrown right out, because they had him 1v1 Hakkar at the gates of Stormwind. Kinda shitting on the whole mystery vibe of The Last Guardian.
@@DIEGhostfish also, medivh brought the orcs.... to fight the legion?
Then why does he say "LET YOUR HORDE SWEEP ACROSS THE RIPE UNSUSPECTING WORLD"
@@Blundabus1337 Oh no they Bronze never argued it was intentional just that the Orcs being there was needed to ensure the Legion's next attack would fail. Because they united the human kingdoms, and eventually turned against the Demons themselves. No Orcs, no Alliance, no victory against the Legion at Hyjal.
At least that's what the Bronze flight told us. But Thrall:Twilight of the Aspects gives a different reason that could be more relevant and make the Bronze flight's original explanation a little white lie. *ANY* break from the "Correct" timeline creates a doomed offshoot that will simply "Run out of time" if not anchored to the main timeline in some way (Their excuse for how the WoD timeline decayed so slowly by comparison was that the mirror shards kept it anchored) so even if the Orcs weren't necessary to beat the legion they were necessary to avoid "Going off script" and an end even worse than the Legion's victory.
@@DIEGhostfish No Im saying, in the black morass raid, medivh was clearly trying to destroy azeroth.
They then retconned it to him thinking the orcs will save it... which he couldnt have known... its dumb
"Oopsie, i didn't even know I had that power. Anyway, i'm going to pass out now goodnight."
-Medivh
Your videos are amazing. Even after I quit playing wow I still come back to them. Have you ever thought about covering lore for other games? I imagine doing a video on riots lore would be a smooth transition.
The Medivh you see in the raid is just an echo a magic imprint like the dragon you see before the Nightbane fight. Medivh is actually alive he appears to Thrall when he was lost in the timeways to help Thrall find Nozdormu. We see him in a physical form later in Legion which shocked Khadgar who couldn't believe he was alive.
You did the same mistake the movie did when talking about how Gul'dan opened the portal: he didn't use the souls of "countless draenei" but the soul of a single draenei child.
Fun fact. There is a custom campaign for Warcraft 3 called "The Last Guardian" based off the book with the same name and it's one of the best customs out there in my honest opinion. It's more of an rpg mixed with fixed cameras and puzzles / riddels like in Resident evil. Def. worth playing for any fan. 😊
AI Voice generators are a game changer for these videos lmao
Its so cool
Why'd they get rid of Sargearas. I feel like Blizzard kinda shot themselves in the foot doing that. Definitely more compelling as a villain than N'Zoth, the Jailer and so on. They easily could've gotten two xpacs back to back outta the Burning Crusade has always been my opinion tho.
few things you got wrong, gul'dan sacrificed only a single innocent soul to open the portal. Blackhand was the warchief of the horde at the time, and unwitting puppet of gu'ldan. also you didnt mention that garona was brainwashed by gul'dan and magically aged.
the thing you got the most right, Gul'dan is a cartoon villain! awesome video.
great video. the song was amazing too xD well edited hope you can keep em coming
Next expansion Battle for Beetle Island
the party sequence reminded me a lot of the "one night in karazhan" hearthstone trailer, i love it
Medivh is my favorite character. An Eccentric magic noble who turns up spouts some cryptic nonsense then turns into a bird and flies off before hes asked to pay taxes.
In the books I used to listen to while driving, Argwynn used Nielas because she thought he was a more powerful mage than most.
She wanted to have a child to pass her mantel onto, but didn't want it to be with just anyone.
In the end, she didn't want to have a relationship with Nielas and wouldn't even stay for breakfast he made for her, thinking there was a profound bond between the two of them now.
8:20-If Medivh's parents didn't place all of the Guardian responsibility onto him, he could have been the first DJ of Azeroth, and possibly open up the first ever Night Club.