I hate to be too critical, but if you have a helicopter as a contingent resource, you really ought to also have a plan of where it’s gonna get water from when it gets there. This is going back a ways, but didn’t they call them “buffalo tanks” or something like that? Had a steel frame about 8x8x3, with a canvas liner.
Our family lost everything---even 14 years later the effects of losing our "family" community still lingers. There were bans on campfires with imposed fines at that time due to drought---- thinking about the situation should have given pause even though the plan to burn had been scheduled..
in USA it is not the first and will not be the last prescribed burn to go wrong. It is like the use of fire, you use it to much and the result is at sight in numerous fires. Also placing firefighters just with hand tools to fight fire that is already huge is a total nonsense. Teams with hand tools should just be used after "there are no flames" and always working from the black. I have seen dozers working side by side and the fire passes and you place teams with hand tools and expect the fire to stop ! yes sometimes it works if the fire is not intense, ok and the rest... it is a waste of energy and resources. A hose line makes the work of 100 men with hand tools and is safer, faster and less expensive and where a firefighter can go or be deployed a hose line can get there. Hand tools should only be used to secure some fires after there is no fire or fire with small intensity and just where dozers can't go or work. There has been too many FF killed in US and sometimes in one place too many, Storm king Mountain fire 14 killed, Yarnell Hill Fire 19, many more... I know by experience that in high energy fire fronts sometimes even with high flow monitors is difficult and we expect hand tools to work?! In my Country we have copied what you use, well sometimes it works sometimes FF died, others get severely burned. We tend to copy just what is not good. I have been fighting fires for 33 years I have built high performance forest fire trucks...
@@wrecker1861 I mind no disrespect and I was not rude, I don't know if you are Mr. Al King one of the persons in the video. I am a professional FF and what I wrote was true in all the big accidents with fatalities FF were just with hand tools no water no fire trucks, is this a coincidence ? Yes people also died in Fire trucks mostly when there is no water, I didn't called you loser. I was not in that fire I just wrote based on the video and in last accidents big accidents. I expressed my opinion without being rude. It is very wrong making assumptions about people, you don't know me, and I don't know you... Was I disrespectful to you in any way. It is easy to talk like you behind a screen but I would like to see if you have the some courage face to face. It was a prescribed burn it is not suppose to became a fire of this magnitude...
@@paulojorgemachado5573 its pretty clear you have no clue what youre talking about.. go ahead and try to get a hose line to some of these fires. id be the first to invite you to get a truck, pull a line and put it out. it doesnt work that way. the only way to stop most of these when you cant remove heat, is remove fuel (those quote nonsensical hand crews you mentioned) you cannot get a truck to pump water to most of these places. that will not be changing anytime soon either.
The Granite Mountain hotshots weren’t even fighting fire when they got burnt over. They were hiking back down toward their safety zone. The prineville hotshots were actively trying to contain the south canyon fire, but a cold front passed over the fire which caused strong erratic winds. The weather forecast was never passed on to the crews on the fire. These type 1 crews are mainly used to create fuel break lines where dozers and fire engines can’t get to. They do use water, but it mainly comes from bucket drops. You make it seem like these wildland firefighters in America never use water ,which, couldn’t be further from the truth. I’m very interested in which part of the world you fight fire in though, 33 years is a very impressive amount of time to be fighting fire!
I hate to be too critical, but if you have a helicopter as a contingent resource, you really ought to also have a plan of where it’s gonna get water from when it gets there. This is going back a ways, but didn’t they call them “buffalo tanks” or something like that? Had a steel frame about 8x8x3, with a canvas liner.
when you order something from Dispatch.....it is their job to make it happen ! Nuff said !
Our family lost everything---even 14 years later the effects of losing our "family" community still lingers. There were bans on campfires with imposed fines at that time due to drought---- thinking about the situation should have given pause even though the plan to burn had been scheduled..
in USA it is not the first and will not be the last prescribed burn to go wrong. It is like the use of fire, you use it to much and the result is at sight in numerous fires. Also placing firefighters just with hand tools to fight fire that is already huge is a total nonsense. Teams with hand tools should just be used after "there are no flames" and always working from the black. I have seen dozers working side by side and the fire passes and you place teams with hand tools and expect the fire to stop ! yes sometimes it works if the fire is not intense, ok and the rest... it is a waste of energy and resources. A hose line makes the work of 100 men with hand tools and is safer, faster and less expensive and where a firefighter can go or be deployed a hose line can get there. Hand tools should only be used to secure some fires after there is no fire or fire with small intensity and just where dozers can't go or work. There has been too many FF killed in US and sometimes in one place too many, Storm king Mountain fire 14 killed, Yarnell Hill Fire 19, many more... I know by experience that in high energy fire fronts sometimes even with high flow monitors is difficult and we expect hand tools to work?! In my Country we have copied what you use, well sometimes it works sometimes FF died, others get severely burned. We tend to copy just what is not good. I have been fighting fires for 33 years I have built high performance forest fire trucks...
Sophomoric arm chair quarterback... Or loser that has never left his mothers basement.
@@wrecker1861 I mind no disrespect and I was not rude, I don't know if you are Mr. Al King one of the persons in the video. I am a professional FF and what I wrote was true in all the big accidents with fatalities FF were just with hand tools no water no fire trucks, is this a coincidence ? Yes people also died in Fire trucks mostly when there is no water, I didn't called you loser. I was not in that fire I just wrote based on the video and in last accidents big accidents. I expressed my opinion without being rude. It is very wrong making assumptions about people, you don't know me, and I don't know you... Was I disrespectful to you in any way. It is easy to talk like you behind a screen but I would like to see if you have the some courage face to face. It was a prescribed burn it is not suppose to became a fire of this magnitude...
@@paulojorgemachado5573 its pretty clear you have no clue what youre talking about.. go ahead and try to get a hose line to some of these fires. id be the first to invite you to get a truck, pull a line and put it out. it doesnt work that way. the only way to stop most of these when you cant remove heat, is remove fuel (those quote nonsensical hand crews you mentioned) you cannot get a truck to pump water to most of these places. that will not be changing anytime soon either.
The Granite Mountain hotshots weren’t even fighting fire when they got burnt over. They were hiking back down toward their safety zone. The prineville hotshots were actively trying to contain the south canyon fire, but a cold front passed over the fire which caused strong erratic winds. The weather forecast was never passed on to the crews on the fire. These type 1 crews are mainly used to create fuel break lines where dozers and fire engines can’t get to. They do use water, but it mainly comes from bucket drops. You make it seem like these wildland firefighters in America never use water ,which, couldn’t be further from the truth. I’m very interested in which part of the world you fight fire in though, 33 years is a very impressive amount of time to be fighting fire!