Holding to Christ, Rejecting "Christianity" - Desimber Rose
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Desimber Rose describes why she does not often call herself a Christian anymore but still holds closely to Christ.
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I'm glad you allowed her to speak her heart, even with cuss words, because that's keeping it real. To me, whats really profanity is how people treat people, not what words we decide are "dirty".
I love this video. My thoughts and feelings exactly. Thank you!!
I appreciate all the folks objecting to pulling politics into this channel. That said, the American evangelical community has embraced politics with both hands for the last 40 or more years, and from a distinctly partisan stance. As far as I can see, Desimber is not introducing politics into religious discussion, she is observing that that has already happened, and by others. And she is objecting to that. Folks are getting caught up with her saying a bad word and (accurately) calling Trump a liar and serial adulterer, and not dealing with the substance of her statements here.
Not to say you’re wrong and I would argue that the mainstream politics embraced by evangelicals over the past decades is fairly atheistic and un-Christian, but that being said the problem with what she’s doing here is she’s fixating on politics so much that she doesn’t even want to identify as a Christian at all and literally wrote a book called the Church can go to hell. It’s one thing to critique it’s another thing entirely to just throw all of Christendom under the bus
Exactly this! 💯
there's a difference between calling things out and abandoning/condemning Christianity altogether. She's not interested in helping evangelicals see where they might be going wrong, she just wants to condemn them all Christendom along with them. I find that inexcusable
@@bradleymarshall5489you are not interested in examining yourself, because she JUST laid out about ten things to help you understand
@@davidmoses6434 name them
I don't care much for labels, myself. I truly understand Desimber's frustration. Looking around and seeing those who are "supposed to be" our brothers and sisters in the church dishonoring the name of Christ with their words and deeds. I myself have thought on occasion, "if this is what Christianity is, then I am not a part of it." I have a problem with some of what she is saying, though. I hope to explain this humbly.
I believe Desimber ought to consider the words that she is saying more carefully. She says of herself, in response to Christians who behave in an un-Christlike way, "I can't stand in the same spot as you... and be alright with myself." And yet, where did Jesus stand? She beautifully explains the dissonance between Christ and the church. "Everywhere you look in the scripture, Christ is loving somebody, no matter what they was doing."
The behavior she (rightfully!) praises in Christ, she seems to be neglecting herself. Jesus was alright to be associated with some major losers. People kind of like us.
I want to be clear, it is unquestionably tragic that the believers who ought to be fellowshipping with Desimber, sharpening and encouraging her, have instead alienated her with their un-Christlike behavior. But he taught us to turn the other cheek. Easier said than done. But we ought to try.
I love Desimber's heart to acknowledge what is broken in contemporary Christian culture, to advocate and to fight for what is right. But we cannot fight for what is right if we walk away.
All that said, there is a lot of important truth in her words.
"We see the splinter in our brother's eye, but not the log in our own."
Greetings everyone,
Grace and Peace to you all in Jesus Name...
As a statement of transparency, at the time of watching this video (July 13th 2024) I read through all the comments....they are divided (not necessarily divisive just DIVIDED).
This I find important because Jesus not only taught total restoration and reconciliation (commonly referred to as Universal Restoration/Salvation), He taught about unity and peace.
It is still a mystery to mankind that Jesus taught about His body....what you would call in your physical paradigm..."literally about His body"
This mystery still inhibits and veils ones understanding and acceptance that we are one body many parts...this Paul speaks about in Ephesians 5 when he asks...."who ever hated his own flesh"....
Even our understanding or rather willingness to learn new things (or to unlearn old lies) stops us from having a deeper understanding of God in us....like who is Satan.
Do you externalise him, like he is something or someone outside of you derailing you...
The woman sharing here is just sharing....do not be offended (Jesus words not mine) but rather discern through the Spirit.
If you believe that Jesus is saviour of all mankind (that is in Universal Restoration) then you must also believe He is saviour to the men He was speaking to in John 8 when He tells them your father is the devil.
Do you really think their father is the devil....what is Jesus telling them.
"Get behind me Satan" is exactly what Jesus is reported to have said to Peter....not to Satan....to Peter.
He called him Satan....
When the flesh is not brought under subjection to the Spirit, it will seek to establish its own Kingdoms, one it can see, touch and ultimately control and own....you cannot serve two masters.
There is more wisdom in her words even if she didn't realise it when she said them....
Judge no one according to the flesh (just like Jesus) and be led by the Spirit....
God is all and in all....ALWAYS
YOU'RE EYE IS THE LAMP....
Blessings
❤🫂❤
All the people complaining about her politics are cracking me up. She has told zero lies.
Now hold on Jesus is the Savior of all that mean president Trump and his supporters also all people
Doesn’t mean we affirm their actions or behavior. Doesn’t mean we support their cause. That’s kind of just common sense.
Not comparing Trump or his supporters to Hitler in any way, but if Hitler was alive today, as believers, we would still be called to love him and to believe that Jesus includes him and has his best interest, but that doesn’t mean we associate ourselves with him/what he’s about. What an atrociously evil thing that would be on our part. We love everyone, but we hate the sin. Plain and simple.
Christ is the Saviour of all people, especially those who believe 1Tim2v3-6, 1Tim4v10.
The Gospel is Good News for all people.
I agree whole heartedly
Sniff 👃 test... terrible message! Bashing a person for their sins then in the next breath talking about Jesus hanging out and loving on the sinners! God through Christ reconciled the world to himself not holding mens sins against them. People are where they are at and we are called to love them where they are at. Not supporting sin but being a light.
Christianity can go to hell? What the hell does that mean? 😂
Not sure what message you heard... she's not bashing any people for their sins ....just their behaviour she deems as unacceptable.
Sadly, many universalists start thinking like infernalists whenever they talk about Trump and his supporters.
It's true that a lot of people use Christianity for a lot of evil ways especially in politics. People need to be more open-minded, because this is not what Jesus intended.
Yep fair enough very clear and obvious point made... bullshit is but bullshit unless its not bullshit🫠
Wow! What a wonderful lady. I couldn't have said it any better. I've been thinking the same recently. Jesus and Christianity are not the same.❤
She has got a very bad day/time...poor lady. But she can change her point of wiew anytime. She is like "the pain body speaks" spreading the pain that is in her. It is not about other's. Get well 💝💐
As C.S. Lewis said it's through the reading of old books that mere Christianity reveals itself and one can be made aware of modern biases that lead to synthetic religions. She and the people she's critiquing are just two sides of the same coin.
Desimber is spot on
I thought this was about Christ not politics
I'm so tired of corrupt politics and religion mixed
it has become the downfall of our planet a blight to our species and maybe it is the destroyer of the worlds
Amen! I deleted this channel from my wife's account on the smart TV since she is still an infernalist. And mixing the actual good news with echo chamber lib politics will turn her off to UR . I still have this channel on my subscriptions for now, as long as this is one time mistake.
I’ll just say this: Christians who misrepresent Jesus shouldn’t ruin the word “Christian” for you. They don’t represent the whole of Christianity. I identify as a Christian, but that doesn’t mean I identify with what every professing Christian is about. This woman paints Christianity with a really broad brush. It’s a bit immature.
Agreed, we shouldn’t leave Christianity but redefine what it means to be a Christian. And the best way to do that is to lead by example.
@@vtxshadow Many people are redefining what it means to be Christian. The deconstruction movement is this. But looks at how those folks are treated by the church.
Another self righteous individual who wishes to set their own standards for what religion should be.
Everyone here complaining about “politics” are the exact people she’s talking about in the video and that’s why they’re mad. Keep proving her right lol
Right. Christians.
@@bradleymarshall5489 Christian is just another word for conservative right wing nut job
@@swirlee1557Absolute bullshit1t you just said.
@@justchilling704 that profile pic and how mad u are says otherwise
@@swirlee1557 Imagine making a judgement on my mood based on my pp (a clear troll) and a textual reply that lacks any explanation marks. You’re not to bright and it shows.
The most appealing thing to me about universalism is it's Orthodox pedigree and how it can be found in a number of devout Christians such as Origen, Gregory of Nyssa, Maximus the Confessor, Isaac of Nineveh, George MacDonald, etc. It's people like this that make universalism seem like something not worth taking seriously.
People like what?
@@Tommythecat007 people who try to act like they’re above traditional Christianity and the Church and pretend they still seek Jesus. What did you think I meant?
Just what you said, we all judge stuff, you just seem to be personalising someone else's opinion.
@@Tommythecat007 I’m pointing out her views are heretical and trying to put her in the group as holy figures of orthodoxy is wrong and undercuts the worthy cause of this channel. One of the biggest stumbling blocks to universalism is people think it’s held by heretics who don’t take scripture seriously and she’s not exactly disproving that
@@bradleymarshall5489 Universalism is love, and so Christ is indeed a stumbling block for many. It's hard to say what your problem actually is.
What she is obviously doing is calling out your bad behaviour, and you're not obviously willing to own it.
So you trying to defend your judgement by calling someone a heretic, 😂 pathetic🤣 pull the other leg that plays Jingle Bells, As I've said this is hardly rocket science
amen
Yes, yes, and yes. Thank you for saying this.
I wish this channel would steer clear of politics. But if it does allow politics, I hope it will respect people of different political opinions. I'm a Christian Universalist and I like Trump. I am not a racist or a misogynist. I don't understand why people have a problem with Christians supporting Trump but supporting Bush Jr., who was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Iraqis, is a-okay. Trump has pursued peace in the world, helped bring our troops home from Iraq, supports health freedom, increased funding for historically black colleges and universities, and has helped the working class through supporting American-made products. Christian Universalists for Trump! Infinite Love and Infinite Winning!
Thank you!
I'd rather you keep partisan politics off of here or I am going unsubscribe if this keeps up
I'll turn on Big News if I want to see Trump hating
There is no need to announce your departure
@@laylascott6096 maybe, but will if this crap keeps up here!
@@laylascott6096 no he's right. Bad enough that they had Lincoln on here with all the death he's responsible and the fact that he probably wasn't even a Christian. The biggest draw of universalism for many like myself is it's Orthodoxy so to attempt to promote it with people clearly aren't that undercuts the entire message
Someone's opinion is hardly partisan politics.🙄😊
I get some of that, but Desimber needs to listen to Thomas Sowell
yes sounds more like she traded religion for statism
trading in religion for statism
No what's she's seems to be saying is ...in her opinion there ain't no difference
Her opinion sucks and so does yours
Politics 🤮
Intentionally divisive, and there was no need for it. I’m done with this channel, until we can keep our focus on Jesus and what he has done for all of us, including Biden and Trump. Thankfully, there is no need for politics in His kingdom.
I'm disappointed this channel allows foul language now. That is not someone "holding onto Christ".
I've got a really easy 2 step solution for your problem and you'll love it because it's totally biblical:
Step 1: Don't judge others
Step 2: If you're going to judge others (and let's face it, you're going to anyhow) then forgive them for the things they do that upset you.
Problem solved!!!
@@danielmark4869We ARE told to judge, we're to judge others by their fruit. What is so different about the fruit of one's lips? Jesus judged the scribes and pharisees very harshly, and He's our main example.
THE FRUIT OF MY LIPS SHALL BE HOSANNA, ALLELUIA. THE SONG IN MY HEART A MELODY OF SWEET COMMUNION. I WILL LIFT MY HANDS
UNTO THE LORD. BLESS HIS NAME FOREVERMORE. AND CONTINUALLY OFFER UP THE SACRIFICE OF PRAISE. Hebrews 13:15
NEWS FLASH!!! Words in and of themselves aren’t bad. It’s the heart behind them. Now, you could argue that her heart behind the specific strong language she was using is bad, but that’s a whole ‘nother topic. My point here is who decides what words are fine and what words are bad? It’s all arbitrary. Because in some countries, certain words you’d consider are inherently bad to use have no negative associations in their world, or are the equivalent of using words like “dang”, “heck” or “crap”, which are just the slang versions of “damn”, “hell” and “shit”🫢 They all essentially mean the same thing. So if you have a problem with the stronger versions of those words, then the slang versions should be just as offensive. See, it’s all arbitrary. Language is constantly evolving, and so many years down the road there might be certain language you are using that will be considered strong language or derogatory in someway maybe long after you’re gone.
@@dorinamary7863 Jesus judged the scribes and pharisees harshly because they were religious people into legalism, which lead them into being judgemental towards others, hypocritical, self-righteous and callous in their treatment of their fellow man, which is exactly where religion and legalism will lead you every time. You'll constantly be trying to pluck the speck out of someone else's eye while not even noticing the plank in your own eye.
Pay more attention to whom Jesus attacks in the Gospels. He never attacks the ordinary people who have life hard enough trying to struggle with all their issues. Jesus attacks religious people who keep the ordinary people below them in bondage with the letter of the law, which brings death, loading people up with heavy burdens that they can't possibly carry and instead of helping them carry the burden, these pious religious people instead sit back and judge and condemn and walk away feeling superior to these poor people that they've crushed.
Jesus always punches upwards, not downwards.
Christians have become the new pharisees, the very type of people Jesus was constantly attacking and also the very type of people who murdered him because he was a threat to their whole religious system.
It's now the Christians who are all about burdening people down with legalism until they've got them in bondage to fear and guilt, so that the church can continue getting money and time out of them.
Just look at your own behaviour here. You're making a fuss because somebody said a couple of naugty words. I'd say that's trying to remove the speck in someone else's eye while ignoring the plank in your own eye.
Seriously? Someone says a couple of naughty words and you immediately jump on your high horse to attack them for it? You've got way bigger issues you need to be dealing with within yourself. For starters, you need to learn to ditch legalism and stop being a christian pharisee, because as long as you're into legalism then you belong to the very class of people in society that Jesus opposed fiercely and that wanted him dead.
If Jesus came back in the flesh today Christian pharisees who love legalism would murder him again. He wouldn't be attacking the ordinary person in the street that you guys want him to attack, he'd be attacking you guys, and because you're more into the letter of the law, which brings death, than you're into the Living Word who brings life, you'd have no choice but to kill him to preserve your whole system.
You'd hate Him. He'd be constantly showing leniency to all the people you guys want to judge while getting up in your face and giving you a series of verbal lashings, just as he did with the original pharisees.
Why is everyone so mad? It is a person speaking their mind. It doesn’t mean the channel itself has a view one way or the other.
It’s this close mindedness that keeps people from reconciling.
Furthermore I think she makes some great points. Churches absolutely hoodwink people with grace and law. Double speak everywhere you look
It’s crazy how many people want to live in echo chambers
It’s the same people that would have considered her a loony if she ate meat because they claim God says you should be vegetarian.
I almost gaurantee if this woman noticed cursing hurt their conscious she would not curse around them.
Welcome to the age of outrage culture where almost everybody has become a grievance looking for a cause. Never miss an opportunity to make a hurricane out of a fart.
People are unable to think outside their box and keep Our Creator in a tiny box too - or try to anyways
Satan is clearly at work in the comments on this video.
That’s apparent!!
😅😅😅🥴
don't you mean in the video? She literally wrote a book called the Church can go to hell. We are one in Christ through the Church Romans 12:5,1 Corinthians 12:12-27, Ephesians 3:6, and Colossians 1:18. How can you claim to love Christ and yet condemn the Church through which is one of the primary ways we are connected to him?
@@bradleymarshall5489 semantics and understanding what she is actually saying vs. the surface.
@@kolasis4994 you're saying there wasn't a way she could've said it i. a way that's obviously blasphemous or at the very least clarified things? Christians are supposed to act with love and all she displays is hubris abd bitterness. Sure she may somwhat hve a poibt but even the devil himself tried using sacred scripture to get his way. If Christians decided to shed the title of Christian every time something didn't go their way there wouldn't be any Christians anymore. Wouldn't the devil love that
Bring in politics and you’ll lose half your viewers.
Bye
LOL...OH MY GOD...SHE'S FANTASTIC!!!
"I believe in Christ but I don't fuck with y'all."
That is pure gold!!! I need to get a bumper sticker that says that.
And another that says, "Grace is your side chick but the law is your bottom bitch."
Desimber, would you please come and be a pastor here in Australia where I live?
You laugh and call that fantastic??
"If anyone thinks he is religious (or holding onto Jesus) and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, his religion (or walk with Jesus) is vain." James 1:26
"Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh." James 3:11, 12
I can help her pack!
@@dorinamary7863 Sounds like grace might be your side chick, but the law is your bottom bitch.
Because she says cusswords and stambles on everything? Does not she know "the world"? No thank you. I live ín similar surrounding where most of the church does not want to get awake, to get into (mutual) understanding. No thanks.
And yes: Donald Trump is one of God's chosens,believe or not.One do not have to be perfect to be chosen by God. God is funny sometimes,if you can accept 💚🌊🔥
@@csgabriella5658 I don't care about your politics. Seeking your salvation in politics is a fool's errand. Politicians on all sides are only in it for themselves. If you want to seek your salvation in that particular narcissistic, callous buffoon then you're welcome to him. Enjoy...but just be prepared for disappointment.